Joe Bauer

I do see the differences you describe Gil.

Tough call either way.

I don't think anyone has come close to the full reveal of George De Mohrenschildt.

He looks and sounds like the perfect triple agent in my view. Or perhaps just a free agent player taking on whatever best deal was offered with mostly financial gain as his main ideological motivation?

I chuckle when I recount his machete chopping hiking trek through the outback and jungles of Mexico which at one point just coincidently brought him and his wife Jeannie to some obscure landing area of a plane carrying some Russian official who Jeanne just had to meet upon landing and included a social get together later that night?

Ha...just serendipitous coincidence?

And George's whimsical shoreline drawings on one of his so-called business consulting trips to an Eastern European country during the cold war?

George De M was definitely a "Man Of Mystery."

Including being an impulsive adventure, woman and dollar chasing rogue?

Of course one can see differences. 

To what degrees is very subjective.

The first photo on the left is obviously Oswald as a lean and mean late teens marine.

The next photo on the right definitely shows a more pudgy, pasty and less fit face with a longer and more relaxed hair growth versus the super trim and tidy Marine buzz cut.

The lighting is so different. Cheap Russian camera perhaps?

Oswald in this 2nd photo looks like a married man who is much more sedentary than a daily running and marching teen Marine. And maybe Marina's borscht, boiled potatoes and sweet cakes fare added some extra weight?

Oswald's Dallas jail pic obviously shows him under extreme physical stress. Days of not eating and sleeping well and this on top of his weeks of spare boarding rooming house fare of mostly just peanut butter sandwiches and milk and his sandwich and soda pop school book depository lunches?

The backyard pic is different in even more curious ways.

The daylight lighting is so bright. The facial shadows starker and darker.

Oswald looks harder and more stern in this photo. Older looking than 22 or 23 imo.

Most photo's of Oswald he is serious and unsmiling, as these 4 pics show.

I've seen "a few pics" of Oswald slightly smiling and relaxed. One where he and Marina are waving from the deck of the large passenger boat leaving to go to America, another of him and his Russian buds clowning around on a day off adventure and another of him and Marina at a family gathering at his brother Robert's Dallas area home. And in one of his New Orleans leaflet passing pics.

So, differences in the photos? For sure and with some valid suspicion even imo.

Different lighting, cheap cameras and normal aging explain some of the differences however.

The second photo from the left is the most intriguingly different one imo.

Did the Russki's pull a doppleganger switcharoo here? 

Roger Stone.

America's most infamous and prolific "Dirty Trickster."

A title he embraces with bragging gusto!

What a darkly perverse mind-set person. 

Always looking for ways to undermine his employer's competition.

Using any means possible no matter how unethical, immoral or even illegal.

Yuchh!

If the ET story is true it is the most top secret and well-guarded program to ever exist in the history of mankind. By standards and means beyond imagination.

Way beyond even the Manhattan Project.

And those who own it and control it have higher authority than any other branch or official in our constitutionally mandated form of governance.

This control group is beyond our constitutional mandate balance of power and oversight.

When this ET secret control group can tell the highest elected officials in our nation ( our presidents ) what they can and cannot know regards this secret...who is the higher authority?

If this scenario is reality...we no longer have a Constitutional Republic as 99% of Americans since 1776 believed we have had since that time.

That concept and reality has been breached by a new higher authority form of government.

Obviously, it's a truly scary concept to contemplate.

A possible indication of this new form of non-elected higher authority government power and control are the reported TRILLIONS of dollars spent by our government since the 1950's that are separated from normal congressional oversight and knowledge. Commonly referred to as the "Black Budget."

While Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld once made a miniscule covered reference to this black budget / black hole of trillions of our tax dollars missing from any accountable records of it's destination and use.

Then again, if the ET visitation story is untrue, then maybe all this scary scenario worry is unfounded.

The Louisiana state police officer Frances Fruge', who transported injured and drug withdrawal suffering Rose Cheramie ( real name Melba Marcades ) to the state hospital, steadfastly stood by his recounting of Cheramie telling him JFK would be killed in Dallas in the next few days.

Cheramie's astounding JFKA claim ( with specific time and place details ) inspired Fruge' to such a degree of concerned and believable importance he donated much of his time and effort then and even years later during the Jim Garrison case against Clay Shaw, to sharing his story publicly and directly to many law enforcement agency's including the Dallas, Texas PD days after 11,22,1963.

From my lifetime JFKA study, I have never read anything about Fruge' being proven to be some noncredible person in anyway.

Throw in the fact that Cheramie was in the company of Sergio Smith of New Orleans Cuban Revolutionary activity fame when she was tossed out of his moving car and provenly had worked for Jack Ruby at one point ( even though briefly ) years previous and you must admit her story has enough circumstantial weight to be considered as true as not.

IMO anyways.

2 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Posted by Steve Jenkins on Facebook today:

A photo of Mary Sherman in the condition she was in when she was found in her bedroom.

This is the Mary of Mary’s Monkey.

A quick glance at this photo might suggest that her death occurred elsewhere and she was moved to her home in a staged crime scene.

These are not the types of burns that occur in a small house fire in which the building is only minimally damaged.

 

 

Horrific beyond horrific.

On 8/14/2023 at 7:35 AM, Joe Bauer said:

From my rather small West Coast high school ( 1200 students ) most ( but not all ) of the boys who went to Vietnam as Marine and Army combat soldiers ( drafted and joined ) were usually not high grade point students and even dropouts and from poorer families, etc.

Conversely it seemed those from more middle class families and those who were better students or at least stayed in school mostly joined the Navy for their draft service.

I don't think one kid that I knew of from well off families ever got drafted and didn't join as well. Even if they got a low draft number, it seemed somehow they all came up with something viable for a deferment.

I was poor. I got my draft notice the day I turned 18. My number was 51.

I didn't run or hide even though I did not want to go to Vietnam. Especially as a combat soldier. Several of our students were killed or seriously injured there. Our Junior High school principal Mr. Ed Plowman ( great guy ) lost his jet fighter pilot son over North Vietnam. His son was one the first jet fighter pilots shot down there.

I already had 4 older brothers in the service in 1969. Two others served as well but got out by 1965. All joined from 1960 to 1967.

They did so for basic economic reasons. It was the only economic opportunity they had going for them right after high school and coming from a single mom on welfare home situation. No money, no college.

4 joined the Navy. 2 joined the Air Force. All enlisted men.

3 were in the Pac theater scene. Troop transport ship and carriers. Radarman, aviation tech and jet mechanic Chief who stayed in for 20 years. Another brother ( Air Force ) was stationed in Japan and Thailand during the Viet Nam war.

I was ordered to arrive at the Salinas, Calif. bus station at 4:00am just days after my birthday on September 21st, 1969.

6 old black buses with darkened windows took a couple hundred of us straight to the induction center in downtown Oakland to be processed.

The second you stepped off the bus Marine uniformed men began yelling at you to march in this line or that. Shut up, no talking. First stop basic arithmetic and reading test. Junior high level. Amazingly many of my fellow draftees seemed to struggle with questions as basic as 20 X 35 divided by two. Many could barely read!

The Army took those guys right away. I think some were even told they could go home their scores were so low.

Next - remove your clothes down to your skivvees. Here's a basket. Carry it while you walk the colored lines we tell you to. No questions, MOVE IT, MOVE IT...you dumb SOB's!

One hot headed draftee took offense to the gruff orders and hit a uniformed guard right in the nose! Blood everywhere.

The punch throwing guy was instantly put upon by six other guards who knocked the holy crap out of him and roughly dragged him away.

The rest of us got real big-eyed fear obedient after that.

One checking station after another. Eyes, teeth, sexual orientation.

Finally one for your feet!

By chance I had very deformed feet. They looked like pig knuckles and my arches were so extremely high they never touched the ground. I had dozens of seriously turned ankles throughout my high school sports activities, especially basketball and even simple running.

My ankle tendons were so stretched, torn and damaged and I "truly" had many bone spurs unlike Trump.

Somehow I figured ahead of time it wouldn't hurt to see an Orthopedic doctor before I got drafted and he took X-rays of my feet and ankles. I took these with me to the induction center with a far-out hope that maybe my foot problems might get me a free pass out.

And they did!

At the foot station a gravelly voiced soldier guard yelled out..."anybody here got any problems with their feet?" I went full on Jerry Lewis goofy arm waving animated and squealed..."right here sir, right here!"

I was removed from the big line and escorted to another wing of the building. Still walking in just my underwear and holding my basket and a large manila envelope with my X-rays.

 I was seated on a junky old couch in a hallway and left alone for 4 hours. Finally a guard come to me and gave me two theater type tickets. He said get your sorry *** down to this really crappy looking hotel in the worst part of downtown Oakland and check in. I was ordered to return to the induction center 5 or 6 blocks away at 7:am sharp the next morning.

My hotel room was about 8 feet long. The old creaky spring bed looked like it had been in a skid row house of ill repute before this hotel got hold of it.

Shared bathroom down the hall. No TV. Never really slept. Old room phone rang without pauses at 6:AM and the clerk simply said..."time to go."

The other ticket was for a breakfast meal at a cheap dive called "Fosters Cafeteria" in between the hotel and the induction center.

See Oakland history Ad below.

It was still dark when I walked in. Lot of street people in there drinking coffee.

Eggs and pancakes were surprisingly tasty.

I soon walked to the induction center. Explained my situation and was ordered to some office exam type room.

Waited 6 hours, again on the same couch.

Finally a person who I assumed was an Orthopedic came and motioned me in. No pleasantries at all.

" Get down and squat." "Now duck walk." "Stand on your tip toes." Walk to the wall and back." etc. etc.

"Let me look at your X-rays."

A few minutes of silent study and note writing then "Here...take these papers down the long hall to the number ( X? ) window.

Clerk looked at them and soon enough stamped on new papers "1 Y"

Medical deferment! 

"Here is a Greyhound bus pass back to your home town. Now get your B*** out of here."

On the fairly long walk to the bus station I felt a weird cold breeze on my backside and noticed that at some point earlier ( doing squats in the exam room? ) I had split the back side of my cheap old pants "wide open." My white underwear was sticking out.

I didn't care. I didn't have to go to Viet Nam!

If my long personal Viet Nam draft story offends anyone here as time wasting irrelevant to the forum discussion focus let me know and I will delete all of it except the first few paragraphs.

Foster's Cafeteria (AKA Foster's Bakery) was a chain of restaurants, particularly noted for their English muffins. In 1967, they were at 1240 Broadway.

First Stop To Vietnam, The Induction Center

 

WebJan 3, 2019 · It was July 17, 1969, and on the following day I would be signing my name to a contract for the next four years. It would have been nice to take my induction physical in …

 

 

 

 

 

 

Added some interesting links and a photo of the outside of the Oakland draft induction center in 1969 above.

What I noticed was the declaration of Oswald being the killer of JFK on the bottom of the arrest record.

No matter when that notation was added to that form, this assertion is speculation more than proven fact.

Oswald was "a suspect" in the murder of JFK...but never legally tried and found guilty.

Curry himself admitted they didn't have the best evidence tying Oswald to the JFK killing. No eyewitness identification. No confession. Mixed forensic evidence.

Welcome Scotty Moore!

1 hour ago, Pamela Brown said:

When I spoke with Hosty he said Lee's initial reaction was outrage that Hosty knew about Mexico City. 

So Pamela.

Which story is true?

The one Hosty gave to the WC? Or the one he shared with you?

I lost all respect for Hosty when he admitted ( chuckling ) that he withheld the truth of his destruction of his FBI office's file on Oswald just one day after Jack Ruby whacked Oswald, in his Warren Commission testimony.

When asked why he didn't tell the WC the "full" truth and "nothing but the truth-so help me God " regarding his agency's destruction of their Oswald file ( mind blowing important evidence ) and violated his oath to do so,

Hosty smugly, blithely remarked ..."They didn't ask me." !!!

They didn't ask you? 

How could they even know what to ask you? The only person who could tell them about your destruction of your agency's Oswald file would be you! Or your boss who ordered it...James Gordon Shanklin.

If the Warren Commission had been told that your agency had purposely destroyed your Oswald file just days after the JFKA it would have blown the investigation into a full blown panic! The entire investigation would have been compromised.

The FBI destroying mind blowing important evidence like their Oswald file would have destroyed the FBI's credibility.

Hosty put his agency and his own standing and retirement position before his oath to tell the WC the "full" truth and "nothing but the truth."

And in so doing cheated the American people the chance to hear and know much more of the truth about Oswald than they were told.

The Warren Commission's mission of finding the full truth was way, WAY more important than the FBI's reasons for destroying their Oswald file...and keeping this truth from them.

Hosty blatantly l*** to the WC in purposely keeping the full truth from them.

And you would think Hosty would have fully honored his WC oath that included the words ... "so help me God" even more so being that he was a Catholic.

But even an oath of full truth telling "to God" took a second place to protecting his job and his employer.

8 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Your right of course Pete.  Just going back and looking at the ones on here it's obvious they were taken from different perspectives.  On page 24 is a 5 X 5" of the Willis picture on the bottom half of the page with a caption to the left identifying it.  To the right is a caption for the next page which is a full page uncropped version of the "other" picture we are talking about, no name mentioned.  I inferred the first caption ID applied to both pictures.

I must say, the 9 x 11" on page 25 by Bronson and the two page spread of Willis, both uncropped, while maybe not clearer do make things easier to see.  It's pretty plain that in the time from the limo approaching the sign in Willis to drawing near even with it in Bronson, a very few seconds, Umbrella Man and DCM/RM were on the move quickly.  Maybe not in tandem but in the same direction.  From both 8 - 10' in front of the sign, UM directly behind DCM/RM to UM 6-8' past the sign and DCM/RM maybe 15' or more past it.

Ron, do you draw any speculative conclusions from your UMB/DCM movement scenario above?

You think these fellows were in anyway more involved than simple innocent crowd bystanders?

Most of the crowd people closest to the shooting scene were confronted by local police and other security agency people and even photographers and press people. Asking them questions, taking their cameras, etc.

The Newmans, Charles Brehm, Jean Hill and Mary Moorman, James Tague, Zapruder and others.

So, here you have two eyewitness guys Witt and the DCM ( odd looking to boot ) who were within feet of JFK and the limo when he is first hit...and who then stick around sitting right down hand holding close where they were standing for several minutes...and neither of them are approached by anyone for questions?

Didn't the authorities look at all the film and photos of the crowd who were closest to the limo when JFK was hit and try to identify everyone in those photo's?

I would think those eyewitnesses just feet from the limo during the shooting would be of highest priority in that regards.

From my rather small West Coast high school ( 1200 students ) most ( but not all ) of the boys who went to Vietnam as Marine and Army combat soldiers ( drafted and joined ) were usually not high grade point students and even dropouts and from poorer families, etc.

Conversely it seemed those from more middle class families and those who were better students or at least stayed in school mostly joined the Navy for their draft service.

I don't think one kid that I knew of from well off families ever got drafted and didn't join as well. Even if they got a low draft number, it seemed somehow they all came up with something viable for a deferment.

I was poor. I got my draft notice the day I turned 18. My number was 51.

I didn't run or hide even though I did not want to go to Vietnam. Especially as a combat soldier. Several of our students were killed or seriously injured there. Our Junior High school principal Mr. Ed Plowman ( great guy ) lost his jet fighter pilot son over North Vietnam. His son was one the first jet fighter pilots shot down there.

I already had 4 older brothers in the service in 1969. Two others served as well but got out by 1965. All joined from 1960 to 1967.

They did so for basic economic reasons. It was the only economic opportunity they had going for them right after high school and coming from a single mom on welfare home situation. No money, no college.

4 joined the Navy. 2 joined the Air Force. All enlisted men.

3 were in the Pac theater scene. Troop transport ship and carriers. Radarman, aviation tech and jet mechanic Chief who stayed in for 20 years. Another brother ( Air Force ) was stationed in Japan and Thailand during the Viet Nam war.

I was ordered to arrive at the Salinas, Calif. bus station at 4:00am just days after my birthday on September 21st, 1969.

6 old black buses with darkened windows took a couple hundred of us straight to the induction center in downtown Oakland to be processed.

The second you stepped off the bus Marine uniformed men began yelling at you to march in this line or that. Shut up, no talking. First stop basic arithmetic and reading test. Junior high level. Amazingly many of my fellow draftees seemed to struggle with questions as basic as 20 X 35 divided by two. Many could barely read!

The Army took those guys right away. I think some were even told they could go home their scores were so low.

Next - remove your clothes down to your skivvees. Here's a basket. Carry it while you walk the colored lines we tell you to. No questions, MOVE IT, MOVE IT...you dumb SOB's!

One hot headed draftee took offense to the gruff orders and hit a uniformed guard right in the nose! Blood everywhere.

The punch throwing guy was instantly put upon by six other guards who knocked the holy crap out of him and roughly dragged him away.

The rest of us got real big-eyed fear obedient after that.

One checking station after another. Eyes, teeth, sexual orientation.

Finally one for your feet!

By chance I had very deformed feet. They looked like pig knuckles and my arches were so extremely high they never touched the ground. I had dozens of seriously turned ankles throughout my high school sports activities, especially basketball and even simple running.

My ankle tendons were so stretched, torn and damaged and I "truly" had many bone spurs unlike Trump.

Somehow I figured ahead of time it wouldn't hurt to see an Orthopedic doctor before I got drafted and he took X-rays of my feet and ankles. I took these with me to the induction center with a far-out hope that maybe my foot problems might get me a free pass out.

And they did!

At the foot station a gravelly voiced soldier guard yelled out..."anybody here got any problems with their feet?" I went full on Jerry Lewis goofy arm waving animated and squealed..."right here sir, right here!"

I was removed from the big line and escorted to another wing of the building. Still walking in just my underwear and holding my basket and a large manila envelope with my X-rays.

 I was seated on a junky old couch in a hallway and left alone for 4 hours. Finally a guard come to me and gave me two theater type tickets. He said get your sorry *** down to this really crappy looking hotel in the worst part of downtown Oakland and check in. I was ordered to return to the induction center 5 or 6 blocks away at 7:am sharp the next morning.

My hotel room was about 8 feet long. The old creaky spring bed looked like it had been in a skid row house of ill repute before this hotel got hold of it.

Shared bathroom down the hall. No TV. Never really slept. Old room phone rang without pauses at 6:AM and the clerk simply said..."time to go."

The other ticket was for a breakfast meal at a cheap dive called "Fosters Cafeteria" in between the hotel and the induction center.

See Oakland history Ad below.

It was still dark when I walked in. Lot of street people in there drinking coffee.

Eggs and pancakes were surprisingly tasty.

I soon walked to the induction center. Explained my situation and was ordered to some office exam type room.

Waited 6 hours, again on the same couch.

Finally a person who I assumed was an Orthopedic came and motioned me in. No pleasantries at all.

" Get down and squat." "Now duck walk." "Stand on your tip toes." Walk to the wall and back." etc. etc.

"Let me look at your X-rays."

A few minutes of silent study and note writing then "Here...take these papers down the long hall to the number ( X? ) window.

Clerk looked at them and soon enough stamped on new papers "1 Y"

Medical deferment! 

"Here is a Greyhound bus pass back to your home town. Now get your B*** out of here."

On the fairly long walk to the bus station I felt a weird cold breeze on my backside and noticed that at some point earlier ( doing squats in the exam room? ) I had split the back side of my cheap old pants "wide open." My white underwear was sticking out.

I didn't care. I didn't have to go to Viet Nam!

If my long personal Viet Nam draft story offends anyone here as time wasting irrelevant to the forum discussion focus let me know and I will delete all of it except the first few paragraphs.

55 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Of course the Nixon Humphrey election in 1968 was very close, with Humphrey closing in in the last couple of weeks.
Humphrey was LBJ's VP and was tied to LBJ's Vietnam war policy, and the Democrats were suffering mightily in the polls because of the riots at the Chicago Convention.

Both of these hurt Humphrey. I wonder if Mc Carthy had supported Humphrey even a month earlier. Would that have been enough to pull Humphrey over the top? It's really a shame because if Humphrey had become President, we almost certainly would have had expanded Health Care 50 years ago and a single payer system because that issue was his baby!

Regarding RFK ruining Mc Carthy, there's no question about that. But it is interesting that just before the California primary, Mc Carthy did beat RFK in Oregon!

But if RFK didn't enter the race, the Democratic establishment  would have gone with the incumbent LBJ. Because of the sequence of events, I think LBJ dropped out because he feared running against RFK, and had had enough of the protests and the fact that he had rightfully been turned into a villain for his Vietnam War policy.

It is a proven fact that a certain amount of voters actually vote based simply on their personal visceral feelings about a candidate's looks, and also but to a lesser degree  their speaking manner and personal demeanor.

I would guess 5 to 10 % of voters use this as their main motivation to vote for one candidate over the other.

Bill Clinton benefitted from this aspect of voter motivation.

Hubert H. Humphrey did not.

Even Humphrey's "name" sounded a bit comical. Rhymed with "Humpty Dumpty."

And his voice pitch was also kind of irritatingly scratchy, imo anyways.

Still, I am sure that in typical Nixon dirty tricks ways, the repubs did their thing in that election to sabotage Humphrey's vote count just enough to guarantee his loss.

Nixon's dirty trick team was in full operational mode well before the 1972 election.

2 hours ago, Mart Hall said:

Just as this thread was getting interesting. A fuller picture of the photo reveals the man to have a camera and is wearing a coat rather than a jacket like DCM.

 

 

AH HA!

That part of this DCM mystery is SOLVED!

Thank you Mart!

Great sleuthing skills!

To me it appears that the item referred to as a radio (with antenna ) in the DCM's back pocket and at one point held up to his ear is the key to deciding whether these two guys deserve solid suspicion in the affair. 

Looks like no one can definitively prove there was or was not a radio.

Unless perhaps current day advancement in digital photo analysis might do so?

Outside of the radio proof to a scientific certainty we are left simply with the odd behavior of these guys during and right after the JFK kill shot.

Imo it is very odd that both these men would do something no one else in Dealy Plaza did that day. They both sat down on the same curb, close enough together they could have held each other's hands.

Yet, according to Witt, they didn't know each other at all.

And Witt claimed the man he described as a "negro" said only these words to him ..."They done shot that man."

That is American raised black lingo. Not Latino or Carribean.

The photo of the tall thin DCM walking along the sidewalk with both his hands reaching "far back" around his waist to his backside is also very suspicious.

If the DCM was actually carrying a radio with antenna, Houston, we have a problem. IMO anyways.

That is definitely American negro word usage and slang.

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Whether Ms. Walther was mistaken in her account or not, she sure sounds so damn sincere.

Some people don't count the bottom ground level as a floor in counting floors in multi-floor buildings.

Walthers never wavered however in her seeing "two men" in the same window.

One with a white shirt and a gun. The other in a brown suit holding a shorter gun.

I've never been East past the Grand Canyon and Reno in my 71 years here in California.

So, I can't say how easy it would be for someone to see men in the Texas School Book building from the sidewalk where Walthers was standing in Dealy Plaza that noon time as JFK was driving underneath.

I have however found some general distances from where Walthers was standing to the 6th floor windows.

I did a walk through of our Monterey, CA hometown downtown where we have two high buildings. One with 7 or eight floors and one with maybe 10 or 11 floors.

I walked across the street from the buildings and put myself at a distance Arnold Rowland stated he was when he saw the men with rifles in the TXSCB upper floor windows. Same with Ms. Walther.

I even timed this to the noon time hour. 12 pm to 1 pm.

Both these buildings faced the full sun as the TXBD building did on 11,22,1963.

A few windows were open on these buildings higher floors.

I was really amazed at how much I could see through those open windows.

Illuminated so brightly with the noon-time sun.

I could easily see men standing next to or even two or three feet back behind those windows.

The Dallas, Texas sun at noon time lit up the motorcade facing windows in the TXSBD as bright as if they had a huge Hollywood Premier lamp shining directly upon them.

The man with the cap is right next to the Lincoln that carried LJB, Lady Bird, Ralph Yarborough and SS agent Rufus Youngblood just two cars behind JFK's limo in the motorcade. He is the only one close to it and it's passenger side and that door has been left open?

Interesting that they left LBJ's limo so unprotected and with it's passenger side door left open

I don't think this man is the DCM though.

3 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:

How can anyone argue those images aren't significant.  

Not a yes. But not a no either.

1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:

 

Ms. Sharp:

What do you believe regards the DCM having a radio with antenna on his person during the shooting and right after?

Louis Witt testified under oath that he was the Umbrella Man.

He also said the man who sat right next to him on the curb was a "negro man."

He even recounted his negro man seatmate as saying to him " They done shot that man."

No Latin/Caribbean country born and raised person would ever speak like that.

That is pure black American raised lingo.

Also the picture of Santiago above does not match the picture of the DCM shown sitting on the Grassy Knoll curb imo.

Different is several ways. 

The distinct hair line for one.

The Latino looking Santiago has solid sideburns coming down in front of his ears. The seated DCM has none.

The radio with antenna aspect of this side story is potentially an incredibly strong indicator of it's importance. 

If that is really a radio with antenna and the DCM man is really speaking into it...this is a true smoking gun.

25 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

We know a lot about him if, as I have written in considerable detail, he is Felipe Vidal Santiago (someone reported to the FBI as being in Dallas at the time).   Other people have different identifications...

Could you provide more details about how you learned the tall DCM's identity?

He is from where?

Another country? 

Very suspicious if he came all the way from another country or even another state to see JFK and Jackie for just a few seconds and coincidently found a place to do so right at the point of shot impact upon JFK.

Also, if the man was Mexican or Cuban or other Latin American or Caribbean island ethnicity, I don't get his very animated JFK admiring arm and hand waving/fist thrusting at JFK.

American blacks were that admiring of JFK because of their perception of him as being more sympathetic to their equal rights seeking cause. JFK's standing up to Mississippi governor Ross Barnett during the integration issue at Ole Miss made JFK a hero to their cause.

But a person with the Latin name Santiago?

And Larry, do you see with certainty that this Santiago fellow had no radio with an antenna on his person in the above photos?

Do you think the so-called antenna shown in both photos is an artificially enhanced falsely identified anomaly?

Any speculations regards his hands being held all the way behind him to his backside as he walks?

If the image of a radio antenna shown in the picture of the two seated men with the dark complexion man holding something up to his mouth isn't enhanced artificially one is forced to consider him with great suspicion.

The photo clearly appears to show the DCM holding "something" up to his face as he and the UBM are turned watching the crowd run up the grassy knoll.

Also, the same with the picture of the tall, thin DCM walking along the sidewalk after he and the UBM decide to go their separate opposite direction ways.

Either there is a long antenna sticking up from something in the man's back waist line or pocket or that is a shoulder to waist long crease in the back of the man's shirt. Revealed with a dark shadow.

Also, the DCM is the only person seen walking with his hands behind his back. Not slightly but significantly.

To a degree that if he wasn't pulling up the back of his pants ( as I have done many, many times ) or even perhaps rubbing his numbed buttocks after sitting on a hard curb, one must again consider this singular arm and hand movement and position with at least some suspicion.

The umbrella man ( Louis Witt ) claimed he didn't know the DCM. He described him as a "negro man."

Why would they both seat themselves as close together as theater seat mates?

Especially when they didn't know each other and there was so much curb room they could easily have sat themselves down with much more space between them?

They are so close to one another they could have held hands.

Ground lying married couple Bill Newman and his wife Gail are farther apart than DCM and UBM!

It seems logical that "someone" would have recognized the Morgan Freeman look-a-like DCM in all the decades of the pictures being shown of him.

Especially if he were a resident of the Dallas area.

His long, tall, thin body type is easily more recognizable than average imo. And include his fez type cap as another more uniquely identifiable part of this person.

11 minutes ago, Paul Rigby said:

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Eighty years ago, this month, Soviet and Japanese forces clashed on an obscure river along the border between Mongolia and Manchuria (Manchukuo) called Khalkhin Gol. The battle was the climax of a six-year-long conflict between Japan and the Soviet Union.

The Soviet-Japanese war, 1932-1939, gets scant mention in accounts of World War II. Yet it had a profound effect on Japan's strategic doctrine and paved the way for Tokyo's decision to attack Great Britain and the United States.

Had Japan continued prosecuting its war with the Soviet Union, the war in the Pacific would have taken a dramatically different turn. Indeed, it probably would never have happened.

Japanese Strategic Doctrine, 1890-1945

Ever since Japan emerged as an East Asian power in the late 19th century, its strategic doctrine revolved around two contesting views. One group, mostly centered around the Japanese Imperial Army, proposed a Northern Expansion Doctrine or Northern Road (Hokushin-ron). A second group, mostly based in the Imperial Navy, advocated for a Southern Expansion Doctrine or Southern Road (Nanshin-ron).

The Northern Road group believed that Manchuria and Siberia should be the focus of Japan's imperial ambitions and that Russia, and later the Soviet Union, was Japan's greatest threat. The Southern Road Group believed that southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands should be the focus of Japanese expansion and that the United States was Japan's principal enemy.

Significantly, the Northern Road was the initial focus of Japanese imperialism. Between 1890 and 1939, Japan fought two wars with China (1890, 1931); fought and defeated Czarist Russia in the Russo-Japanese War (1904); invaded and seized German colonies in China and the North Pacific (1914); and participated in the Allied intervention in Siberia during the Russian Civil War (1918).

In the process, it took possession of the Korean peninsula; Taiwan; Tsingtao; the Mariana, Caroline and Marshall Islands; and Manchuria. During the Russian Civil War, Tokyo even considered seizing all of eastern Siberia, east of Lake Baikal. During this period, Japanese strategic doctrine called for "defense in the south and advance in the north." To that end, Tokyo aligned itself diplomatically with Great Britain and, to a lesser extent, the U.S.

The Imperial Defense Plan of 1936, the genesis of Japan's "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere," tried to reconcile the conflicting doctrines by proposing to seize the natural resources of Siberia by attacking the Soviet Union via Manchuria, while also targeting the resource-rich colonies of the Dutch, British and French in southeast Asia, especially the petroleum fields of the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia).

The Japanese seizure of Manchuria, a region where Czarist Russia once had wide-ranging interests, led to growing tensions between Tokyo and Moscow. The Sino-Japanese war, an undeclared conflict, lasted from 1932 through 1939, and came to a dramatic climax at the Battle of Khalkhin Gol.

The Soviet-Japanese War, 1932-1939

Disputes over the demarcation of the border between Manchuria and Mongolia were the initial cause of the conflict. Japan believed the border ran along the Khalk river (Khalkhin Gol in Mongolian). The Soviets and the Mongols believed the border was 10 miles further east, at the village of Nomonhan. Between 1932 and 1939, both sides accused the other of hundreds of border incursions. The Soviets were also concerned that Japanese troops in Manchuria were within easy striking distance of the Trans-Siberian Railroad, its only reliable link to the Soviet Far East.

Starting in 1935, the cold war between Japan and the Soviet Union began to heat up dramatically. Between 1935 and 1939, there were a total of 108 incidents when both sides exchanged gunfire. Both parties steadily built up their military forces in the area, while relations between the two countries steadily worsened.

In July 1935, the Seventh Comintern Congress declared Japan to be a "fascist enemy" of the Soviet Union. The next year, in 1936, Japan and Nazi Germany signed the anti-Comintern pact, in which they agreed to consult on how to respond to "safeguard their common interests" should either be attacked by the USSR.

After Japan invaded China in July 1937, the USSR supplied the Chinese government with ammunition, military equipment and supplies, including 82 tanks; 1,300 pieces of artillery; 65,000 rifles and machine guns; 225 aircraft; and more than 1,500 trucks and tractors. Between 1937 and 1941, only the Soviet government provided substantial military aid to Chiang Kai-shek's forces.

Moscow also provided 3,665 military advisers and volunteers as part of the Soviet Volunteer Group, along with loans totaling $250 million. By 1941, more than 1,200 planes had been sent to China. Roughly half the planes were flown by Soviet pilots, ostensibly volunteers, wearing Chinese military uniforms.

When the Soviet aid began, the Chinese air force consisted of 100 antiquated planes and were outnumbered 13 to 1 by the better trained and equipped Japanese.

Soviet volunteers conducted the only Chinese air raid of Japanese territory, on Feb. 23, 1938, when they attacked the main base of the Japanese air force on Taiwan. Between 1937 and 1941, Soviet pilots shot down 625 Japanese aircraft. The Soviet volunteer squadrons were withdrawn in 1941 when Japan and the Soviet Union signed a nonaggression pact. In desperation, China turned to the United States. The Roosevelt administration promptly authorized the creation of the First American Volunteer Group, known as the Flying Tigers.

The Battle of Khalkhin Gol

Japanese-Soviet hostilities reached a climax between May and September 1939, in the Battle of Khalkhin Gol on the Mongolian-Manchurian frontier. The conflict began with a series of border skirmishes in May and June and would ultimately involve more than one hundred thousand men.

The battle occurred at a time when Europe was moving inexorably toward war amid a flurry of diplomatic activity between the British and French governments, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Both the British and French governments, on the one hand, and the Soviets, on the other, were looking to negotiate a nonaggression pact with Germany. On Aug. 23, 1939, the world was stunned by the announcement of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, a nonaggression treaty between Germany and the Soviet Union.

As Stalin was negotiating the details of the German-Soviet Pact, he was also pouring additional troops into eastern Mongolia. In 1938, a 42-year-old corps commander who had distinguished himself during the Russian Civil War named Georgy Zhukov had been put in command of the First Soviet Mongolian Army Group.

By the summer of 1939, Japanese strength was estimated at around 80,000 soldiers, 180 tanks and 450 aircraft. Soviet strength had reached approximately 50,000 soldiers, supported by 498 tanks and armored vehicles and 581 fighters and bombers.

In July 1939, Japanese forces moved across the frontier with Mongolia and, inflicting heavy losses on Soviet and Mongolian troops, occupied the disputed border region.

On Aug. 20, 1939, upon the signing of the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact, Zhukov launched an attack on Japanese forces in Mongolia. Using his artillery and infantry to pin Japanese forces in place, Zhukov sent his tanks to attack on both flanks of the Japanese position. The attack encircled the Japanese Sixth Army and ultimately crushed it. Roughly 75 percent of the Japanese frontline troops were killed in action. The fighting ended on Sept. 16.

The next day, Soviet troops invaded Poland.

The Soviet military and diplomatic offensive stunned Japan. The conflict was occurring on the heels of the Great Purge, carried out between 1936 and 1938, which had decimated much of the senior leadership of the Soviet military. The Japanese consequently had a low opinion of Soviet commanders. The nonaggression pact left Japan diplomatically isolated from its German ally. Faced with the prospect of dealing with the Soviet Union on its own, Japan moved quickly to de-escalate the conflict.

The Battle of Khalkhin Gol was the largest tank battle hitherto fought. Zhukov's battle tactics and his use of armor at Khalkhin Gol presaged the blitzkrieg tactics that the Wehrmacht unleashed in Poland. For his success, Zhukov was declared a Hero of the Soviet Union, the first of four. The next year, he was made a general in the Soviet Army.

The defeat at Khalkhin Gol discredited the proponents of the Northern Road Strategy in the Japanese Imperial Army and tipped the balance to the proponents of the Southern Road Strategy and the Imperial Japanese Navy.

Aftermath: The Soviet-Japanese Nonaggression Pact of 1941

On April 13, 1941, Japan and the Soviet Union signed a nonaggression pact. They also agreed to respect the territorial integrity of Mongolia and Manchukuo (Manchuria). At the time the agreement was signed, Japan was certainly aware that Germany was preparing to invade the Soviet Union. By signing the pact, Japan was able to ensure that the Soviet Union would not threaten Manchukuo, freeing itself to pursue the Southern Road Strategy.

When German forces invaded the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941, Tokyo opted not to renew hostilities with the USSR, despite Berlin's urging to invade. Instead, three months later, Japanese forces invaded French Indochina.

The Roosevelt administration responded by placing an embargo on exports of scrap iron and petroleum, among other things, to Japan. Deprived of critical raw materials, Tokyo set in motion plans to seize European colonies in Southeast Asia and to strike against the one force it believed could stymie Japanese ambitions: the U.S. Navy.

Japan did keep its options open, especially in light of German's initial successes on the Eastern Front. In July 1942, Gen. Tomoyuki Yamashita, the Tiger of Malaya, was dispatched to Manchuria, ostensibly to organize Japanese troops there for a potential invasion of Siberia. By then, however, Japan was irrevocably committed to the Southern Road Strategy.

Had the Japanese been victorious at Midway and had the German 6th Army succeeded in taking Stalingrad, it's possible that Japan might have invaded Siberia.

Japan's decision not to invade the Soviet Union allowed Stalin to transfer 18 divisions, 1,700 tanks and 1,500 aircraft -- some of which included the veterans of Khalkhin Gol -- to the Eastern Front during the critical Battle of Moscow in December 1941.

Zhukov's Siberian divisions helped turn the tide, stopping the German advance within sight of Moscow, and participated in the subsequent Soviet counterattack. It's unlikely that the Soviet Union could have withstood a two-front war against both Germany and Japan in 1941.

Had Japan opted to venture north instead of looking south, it's also likely that the U.S. would have continued to supply Japan with the critical war materials, especially scrap iron and petroleum, on which Japan was dependent.

In the end, the most likely alternative history of the Pacific war is not one in which Japan emerged victorious, but one in which a Pacific War was never fought. Had Japan opted to follow the Northern Road Strategy, the history of WWII and America's role in it would have taken a very different trajectory.

Very enlightening and thought provoking posts Paul. Much appreciated.