12 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said:

I don't see what Clemmons had to gain from making anything up. She didn't seem to be seeking fame. From what I understand, she initially declined to talk about what she saw and only relented because she recognized Mark Lane as one of the Freedom Riders.

I also seem to remember that another witness described a potential suspect that had bushy hair, but I can't recall specifically who said that.

In my opinion, two kinds of ammo at the scene of a shooting strongly suggests two shooters.

Also, for the record, I believe at least one witness unrelated to Clemmons has linked Roscoe White to the Tippit shooting. Based on what I've read, (and contrary to the photo of him on record), White allegedly wore a bushy hairpiece .

Interesting. Roscoe White never leaves my thoughts regarding the case.

Just now, Steve Thomas said:

Lauren Boebert: Venezuela dog eating 'started because they do not have firearms'

by David Edwards

https://www.rawstory.com/lauren-boebert-dog-eating/

“Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) said that a lack of firearms is to blame for the practice of eating dogs in Venezuela.

During an interview on Newsmax with host Sebastian Gorka, Boebert recalled how she had confronted Democratic politician Beto O'Rourke after he suggested that assault-style weapons should be banned.

"I was compelled to go to him because I saw that a disarmed populace -- if the citizenry in America is disarmed then we are no longer citizens, we are subjects," Boebert said. "You know here in America we have gourmet treats for puppies. We have these amazing groomers for dogs."

“In Venezuela, they eat the dogs and it started because they do not have firearms to protect themselves, to defend themselves against a tyrannical government,” she added.”

She knows all that stuff.

Steve Thomas

 

Crazy...absolutely crazy!

This is just more maddening absurdities that the Trump enablers, followers and promoters are continually still throwing out there...and that clearly reinforces the reality that we are in a serious nation direction and controlling wrestling match with forces that are in the grip of a dangerously misguided and even delusional mind set.

1 hour ago, Larry Hancock said:

And in case I did not make it clear before,  Mary Ferrell definitely did not trust the Warren Commission report and was quite a skeptic of it and the FBI's work...which drove her to become one of the first document collectors and geeks, looking for things that had been left out of the official story.

So, Ferrell did not trust the Warren Commission nor the FBI as well?

And it was this that mostly motivated her donating decades of her time, energies and funds to finding out an alternate truth? An effort of  epic proportions?

Which logically suggest she was more believing of a conspiracy?

Did Mary Ferrell ever express any mistrust of our government and the FBI before the JFK event?

If not, the JFK event made her do a 180 degree turn around in this area of thought?

Did Mary Ferrell ever say flat out she believed there was a conspiracy in the JFK case?

All that monumental time, work and study must have had some impression on her final take beliefs, no?

Pat S.

You say if Ronald Reagan had been killed in your hometown of Simi Valley, this fact alone would have inspired you to invest an inordinate amount of time and interest on your part to study and know more about the case, especially if there was a lot of debated takes and charges being bandied about?

I can see "some" logic in your "hometown" angle analogy, but not enough to justify the decades of unprecedented time and effort Ferrell put into her life legacy project.

If JFK's death happened in my hometown, it would have made the event more powerful, intriguing and personal, but not enough to have inspired me to donate the rest of my life to it over anything else, and especially if I hated the guy and I was connected to many people and groups that felt the same way before hand.

 Maybe this whole study effort of the JFK assassination became an obsession for Ferrell? An addiction? 

Did she make any money at all in this effort?

One of main reasons I became invested in the JFK/Oswald murder cases was because I admired JFK. I was inspired by him. His murder was a great loss to me personally.

Also, because I knew that too many highest power groups and individuals in this country not only hated JFK (to murderous degrees) but benefitted by his death.

If I hadn't liked JFK, or even disliked or hated him, I guarantee you this would have effected my interest in the case to a less motivated degree.

Just my take.

52 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

With the furor over the missing Secret Service text messages, I read that the SS used radio instead. So where are the Dispatcher Tapes?

We look at the Dallas Police Department's radio Dispatcher's tapes all the time, and we even have Air Force One's tapes from after JFK's assassination, so where are the Secret Service radio tapes from January 5 and 6?

Steve Thomas

So logical a question.

I must admit, that I didn't think Ms. Clemmon's account was very credible.

She stated a "kind of chunky fella with bushy hair" in her description of who she saw when she looked over at the killing scene.

She was the "only" witness stating that description.

No matter whether she got it right or not, her statements contradicted the official line.

I don't think it would have taken but one scary phone call threatening her after her Mark Lane interview for her to pack up her bags and "hit the road Jack" and move in with relatives far out of state and never come back.

I think black people in Dallas in those days were generally very afraid of the police and other authorities anyway as a matter of daily life reality.

Remember, there was a strong KKK sentiment in most all of our deep South cities ( in their police departments as well ) in those times, and colored people knew this and felt their presence. 

Larry, would it be fair to say there was a good amount of "Machiavellian" type scheming, undercutting and competing interest shenanigans going on in those early years of JFK research and writings?

Enough so, that some researchers were purposely sabotaged?

15 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

26 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Did Ferrell dislike and/or even hate JFK up through 11,22,1963? 

Who cares?

Who cares?

You are suggesting that Ferrell's personal feelings toward JFK before 11,22,1963 have no meaning or bearing importance in the overall story of her decision to then commit to decades of massive time, work effort and expense undertaking right after 11,22,1963 to helping JFK conspiracy believing researchers to a degree that no one else ever had?

Sorry, but my lifetime experience trusting common sense sees a glaring incongruity there, especially if Ferrell disliked JFK as much as McBride stated she did.

Why would you want to help JFK truth seekers ( most probably admirers of JFK) if you hated the guy yourself?

This is why I asked the question regards the true state of her JFK feelings all of her life until 11,22,1963.

You would need at least "some" positive and empathetic feelings toward JFK to dedicate so much of your older adult life to seeking truth and justice ( to a passionate degree many would say ) regards his murder...imo anyway.

I would think one would had to have probably been an admirer of JFK or in the least ambivalent in their view of him to decide to commit decades of their life after 11,22,1963 in the pursuit of helping researchers who would not be researching if they had believed and accepted the official "Case Closed" deluded lone gunman who just got lucky finding of the Warren Report.

What was Ferrell's take on the Warren Report?

If she accepted their conclusion, why spend decades of incredible commitment hard work looking for more information beyond their  summary?

27 minutes ago, Derek Thibeault said:

If I remember correctly, Clemmons was really never heard from again - do we ever know where she went and when she died, does she have surviving relatives that may have information?

I have also wondered the same about Clemmons.

And who could ever argue that fear wasn't a huge factor in the entire picture of witnesses coming forward and sharings things they may have known about so many aspects of the JFK event and the main characters involved?

My common sense guess is that hundreds of people with more information never came forward to the authorities or the press with what they knew or saw about the event.

For reasons we all would have similarly felt.  

Witnesses who did come forward that had anything to share that contradicted the quickly fabricated "deranged commie lone gunman Oswald did JFK" and "Jackie Kennedy avenging Jack Ruby did Oswald" and "This Case Is Cinched" official line were heavily grilled or even harassed and threatened.

Julia Ann Mercer was just one such witness. Sylvia Odio another. Many others.

Fear hung over Dallas like a heavy dark cloud as it logically should have,  Too much murder, doubt and and suspicion filled the air there for a long time.

36 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

Thank you to Pat and Allen Lowe for injecting some common sense into these paranoid and preposterous allegations about Mary, who I feel lucky to have known personally. 

Just a thought or two, a question or two.

True or false:

Did Ferrell dislike and/or even hate JFK up through 11,22,1963? 

She purposely chose to ignore JFK's motorcade visit through her city? She instead had lunch out somewhere else during it?

If Joseph McBride's research into Ferrell's background regards all the connections and associations she had with many seriously anti-Kennedy groups and for many years are credibly true, doesn't this validate suspicion as to her supposed conversion to this full time, passionate JFK truth seeking mission matriarch?

Did she ever publicly say what changed her negative views on JFK personally before 11,22,1963 to then dedicating her later life to this massive work, time and expense commitment to help so many JFK truth seeking and conspiracy believing researchers?

I would really like to know what Ferrell honestly felt toward JFK before 11,22,193 and why.

Mae Brussell made a similar huge study commitment that involved years of deep, hard work research on her part to finding truths regards not just the JFK assassination, but so many other secret power groups and their activities which she discovered were often nefariously contrary to our democratic foundational tenets and constitutional laws.

However, there was never a question as to her past political and moral beliefs and associations before 11,22,1963. She was who she was all the way through her huge commitment truth seeking life and research work effort.

53 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said:

About Mary Ferrell from my book INTO THE NIGHTMARE:

 

 

THE GATEKEEPER

 

After it became clear to me that the introduction into evidence of the audiotape on which the HSCA based its halfhearted conclusion of conspiracy was designed to discredit the whole investigation, I became keenly interested in tracing the provenance of the tape to see how this could have happened.

According to Fort Worth researcher Jack D. White, the tape was first brought forward by Gary Mack, who took it to Mary Ferrell, the supposedly self-appointed den mother of assassination researchers in Dallas (Dallas Tippit researcher Greg Lowrey called her “The Gatekeeper”). But according to Mack, who worked with Penn Jones on his newsletter The Continuing Inquiry, Jones gave him the original clue and a copy of the tape. Mack, a former Fort Worth NBC-TV announcer who changed his name from Larry Dunkel while working as a disk jockey, eventually turned into a lone-nut theorist after he became the curator of The Sixth Floor Museum at the former Texas School Book Depository in Dealey Plaza, which exists primarily to debunk conspiracy theories while misleading and distracting tourists at the site of the murder. Its raison d’être seems to be to protect the image of Dallas by attempting to perpetuate the Warren Commission’s version of events. Mack’s ally Ferrell supplied favored researchers with documents from her ample files (since her death in 2004, available online at maryferrell.org), and she has been hailed by many researchers for her supposedly self-effacing generosity toward the cause of history. In an article on the acoustics evidence, Myers discusses the provenance of the tape and cites Mack’s 1979 report that Jones originally suggested they look into the question of a stuck microphone on a police motorcycle that blocked a radio channel during the motorcade. “Penn was of the opinion that the communications were jammed on purpose,” Mack wrote. Mack thought such a police radio tape might contain sounds of shots. Jones provided a tape that was of insufficient quality to work with, but Ferrell came up with a better one. Ferrell, White said, tracked down a first-generation copy of the tape made from a police Dictabelt and presented it to the HSCA.

As I later found after making contact with Mary Ferrell myself, she actually had deep connections with U.S. intelligence. She was a member of the Agency of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO), founded by CIA agent David Atlee Phillips, who many researchers believe helped organize the Kennedy assassination plot and the framing of Oswald in particular. Ferrell’s excuse for being a member, that she was infiltrating the organization to learn more about U.S. intelligence, seems laughably transparent. “We know Mary Ferrell has many contacts with the FBI and other government agencies,” Lowrey told me. “I’m also suspicious of her association with Hugh Aynesworth,” the Dallas reporter who covered the case from the first day and has long been an opponent of conspiracy theorists, as well as serving as an FBI informant during the Garrison case. “You can start in any direction,” said Lowrey, “and ultimately it will lead you to [Ferrell]. You will come back to her.”

Ferrell was a legal secretary for the Socony Mobil Oil Company in Dallas at the time of the assassination. As well as putting her in the circle of big oil in Dallas, the Mobil association gives Ferrell at least a tangential link to some key Kennedy assassination characters, including people involved in oil, the White Russian community, and U.S. intelligence. Volkmar Schmidt, a German-born Dallas petroleum geologist who claimed he tried to turn Oswald against General Walker and therefore felt “a terrible responsibility” for the Walker assassination attempt and the Kennedy assassination, told researcher William E. Kelly in a 1995 interview that in 1963 he worked for a Dallas branch of Mobil, the Field Research Laboratory of the Magnolia Petroleum Company. Schmidt said he met George de Mohrenschildt and Ruth Paine, the Oswalds’ CIA handlers, and Paine’s husband, Michael, “through the circle of young professionals at the Magnolia labs.” It was at a February 22, 1963, party arranged by Everett D. Glover, a chemist with the labs, at a house he shared with Schmidt, that Schmidt had a long talk (“about two solid hours”) with Oswald about Walker and other political topics, including Kennedy and Cuba (Schmidt claimed Oswald was “hateful” toward Kennedy, and that he tried to turn that feeling against Walker, telling Oswald the general was a racist and “kind of a poopoo”). At the same party the Oswalds were introduced to Ruth Paine; Glover told the Warren Commission that Ruth spent most of her time that night speaking with Marina in Russian. As well as by George de Mohrenschildt and his wife, Jeanne, the party was attended by others from the Magnolia labs and by George’s oil industry friend Samuel Ballen. Armstrong writes in Harvey & Lee, “There is little doubt the purpose of this social gathering was to provide CIA operative George DeMohrenschildt the opportunity to introduce Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina to CIA operative Ruth Paine. During the next 10 months, until November 22, 1963, Oswald’s activities were closely monitored by either DeMohrenschildt or Mrs. Paine” [italics in original].

Mary Ferrell was a lifelong Republican who disliked Kennedy (Lowrey put it more strongly: “She hated John Kennedy; it was no secret”), and she admitted in 2000, “I didn’t even care enough to go down on Elm Street to watch the motorcade.” A feature on Ferrell in the Dallas Morning News on the twentieth anniversary of the assassination in 1983 mentions that she was downtown that day “but didn’t bother interrupting her lunch” to see Kennedy. The writer, Brad Bailey, hinted at the strangeness of this paradox in her career: “Mrs. Ferrell didn’t particularly like Kennedy as a president or as a fellow Catholic. . . . So she has a hard time explaining the fireproof library building in her Oak Lawn backyard with floor-to-ceiling shelves containing virtually every document ever published on the assassination. Nor can she easily explain the additional 25,000 pages of FBI documents spread across her living room floor or the clippings and papers that fill another room.”

The most I could get from Ferrell when I asked about her motivation, a question that seemed to momentarily take her aback in our last conversation in December 1992, was the vague response, “I just didn’t think they went to Oak Cliff and picked up the man who did it in a darkened theater. Somehow it just didn’t make sense.” Ferrell was surprisingly equivocal on some of the most-discussed topics surrounding the assassination. She said she refused to see Oliver Stone’s JFK because when reporters called her, “I was really glad I didn’t have to lie and say I didn’t like it or I did like it.” As for New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison himself, she told me, “I loved Jim Garrison -- I wavered between thinking he’s insane and thinking he’s a genius.” And as for Oswald, she said that if people “come to me and say, ‘I think Oswald acted alone, and do you have documentation?,’ I just politely say, ‘Go somewhere else.’ Everything I do is based on Oswald did not act alone. Not that he didn’t act. I don’t know.” And the Morning News reported in 1983 that despite all her research, she had “given up hope of deciding what really happened that day in Dallas. ‘We have now had about four major investigations, and I consider that the truth is still hidden from us,’ she says.”

Some of the explanation for what that newspaper described as Ferrell’s “compulsion” to serve as a repository and clearing house for assassination research can be found in another paradox about Ferrell. Her obituary in the Morning News referred to how she “worked more than thirty years as a legal secretary for a law firm and also in the Governor’s office in Austin.” She was a conservative who kept close to the power center of that era in Texas by working for Democrats, including Governor Dolph Briscoe in 1973-74, and she was “a close personal friend” of John Connally, Lowrey noted.

Ferrell was even closely connected to those who determined the route of the Dallas motorcade. It was in 1964, soon after the assassination, according to Lowrey, that Ferrell became a legal secretary in downtown Dallas to Eugene M. Locke, who headed the law firm of Locke, Purnell, Boren, Laney and Neely and was also the head of the State Democratic Executive Committee of Texas. (Ferrell claimed on various occasions that she did not start working for Locke until 1967 or 1970. Locke died in 1972.)  In addition to heading a major law firm and having oil, land, and construction interests, Locke in his official position with the state party helped plan the presidential trip to Dallas. A crucial meeting that helped decide on the route of the motorcade -- violating Secret Service regulations by causing it to make a sharp turn from Houston onto Elm Street, past the Texas School Book Depository, slowing the motorcade to eleven miles an hour in the kill zone -- was held in Locke’s office, although Kennedy aide Kenneth O’Donnell apparently was responsible for the final decision that determined the route. (See more on Locke and that meeting in Chapters 15 and 16.) Lowrey suggested, though without having proof, that Ferrell could have helped her soon-to-be-employer Locke with those arrangements. That seems more of an educated guess when one considers that her husband, Hubert (Buck) Ferrell, who worked for Eagle Lincoln-Mercury in Dallas at the time of the assassination, supplied some of the cars for the motorcade, and that Mary Ferrell said her own car was used in the motorcade when “They quickly ran out of cars.” According to assassination researcher Todd Wayne Vaughan, who interviewed both Ferrells, Mary supplied her own recently purchased 1964 Ford Mercury Colony Park station wagon for the motorcade, and it was used as one of the “VIP” cars.

My dealings with Mary Ferrell in 1985-86 were what made me aware of her duplicity. I first called her to ask her confidential advice about a previously unknown FBI document I had found that seriously undermined the Warren Commission’s lone-gunman theory, and she betrayed my trust (see Chapter 15). After being thus alerted to her dishonest modus operandi, I began delving into her dubious background and concluded that after the assassination she set up shop with the backing of the federal government to serve as a clearing house and watchdog in Dallas, doling out favors while actually going about her main business of keeping tabs on what researchers were doing and selectively, subtly feeding them disinformation. As a result of her clever application of spycraft and her faux-motherly act, many researchers naively regarded her as a guru with a disinterested dedication to the truth. When I called her again in 1992 to request an in-person interview about her background and involvement in the case, she pressed me hard to find out what aspects of the assassination I was researching, and when I carefully gave her only general answers, saying that my areas of interest included the roles played by researchers, she refused to meet with me and said she didn’t want to be interviewed about her own background. Lowrey said, “Mary stays in the shadows. Her agenda is subtle and devious: ‘What are you going to do with it?’” Penn Jones gave me some good advice: “Stay away from her.”

Ferrell’s production to the HSCA of the tape made that allegedly contains audio impulses demonstrating that four shots were fired in Dealey Plaza seemed suspiciously timely to me. It seemed to buttress the notion of conspiracy but more likely was cleverly orchestrated  by Ferrell to discredit it in due course, like a planted mine sure to go off and destroy everything that surrounded it. Anomalies and ambiguities surrounding the tape itself made the HSCA’s belated “discovery” and endorsement of four shots dubious. That was probably seen by Blakey and others on his staff as a convenient late-arriving fig leaf with which to cover themselves by suggesting a conspiracy while not investigating its participants fully and honestly. The problems surrounding the tape were manifold, including debatable photographic evidence of the police motorcycle with a stuck microphone that supposedly recorded the sounds, claims by some skeptics that the tape actually was recorded about a minute after the assassination, and above all the inherent difficulties of interpreting the sound impulses allegedly found on the tape and synching those impulses with films of the assassination (including the altered Zapruder film). These problems would keep various experts, conspiracy theorists, and lone-nutters alike busy for years of debate, sometimes switching sides back and forth to add to the confusion. That may have been the point of the whole exercise initiated by Mary Ferrell with the collusion of Gary Mack. In the process, many studies were made, and much ink was consumed, but the subject only became more intractable, as, indeed, it seemed to me almost from the beginning, given the near-impossibility of reconstructing credible gunshots from a belatedly produced Dictabelt recording made in part with a police microphone of uncertain location.

By so badly muddying the waters, the claim by the HSCA about shots being recorded on the tape most probably was intended to distract attention from the actual likelihood that more than four shots were fired in Dealey Plaza. This was among the more sophisticated and effective disinformation ploys launched against the finding of the truth of what happened in November 1963, but just one of the many obfuscatory maneuvers that began the first day and continue to the present. “All this stuff that went to the HSCA from the nucleus of people revolving around Mary Ferrell probably was concocted by mixing it with half-truths,” Lowrey noted. “Their MO is propping up a story and then shooting it down -- damn effective.” The HSCA Report, while saying that there were two gunmen, nevertheless claims that a single shot from the Grassy Knoll, the closer of the two alleged firing locations, missed, and blames Oswald (who was in the second-floor lunchroom of the Depository at the time) for firing all the shots that hit Kennedy, Connally, and bystander James Tague. Researcher Jack White, who continued to believe that “shots are recorded on the tape,” nevertheless aptly called the HSCA Report “a half-horse, half-zebra, half-assed kind of report.”

The HSCA, in my view, largely succeeded in disproving the (naive) notion that this case could be investigated fairly by a government up to its eyes in direct involvement in the planning, execution, and coverup of the crimes themselves. Like the Warren Commission investigation before it, the HSCA investigation also turned up a wealth of evidence and fresh leads that, ironically, cast doubt on its own conclusions. A further problem was that some of the HSCA’s work product, including reports of witness interviews, did not reach the public until the 1990s, delaying both its utility and its ability to cast doubt on the HSCA’s own conclusions. The material was sealed until after the film JFK helped provide the impetus for the establishment of the ARRB, which helped free six millions of pages of previously classified material in U.S. government files. That material has proven invaluable in filling in some of the important gaps in our information about the case and in calling attention to previously hidden aspects of these events.

Despite the flaws of the HSCA investigation, with all the genuine revelations that were being made about the case in the 1970s, as well as all the controversy engendered by true and false leads, the seeds of doubt were being widely sown again throughout the land. If I had been led astray from the initial evidence I heard with my own ears on the afternoon of November 22 and from my sense that first evening that Oswald was telling the truth in denying involvement in the killings of Kennedy and Tippit, I was now beginning to reclaim my first impressions as the truth.

Extremely enlightening.

Changes my awareness of her ( which was limited ) and also a general perception of her as of some type of virtuous matriarch of the JFK truth seeking mission.

I've gotten some negative forum member feedback on my doing so twice now.

Does this include me and other members posting Trump political cartoon pictures that depict him as comically obese as well?

I do see the offense to others here who may be overweight themselves. Heck, I weigh 215 lbs on a 6 ft. frame myself.

After 6 years of seeing and hearing Trump making almost daily fun of others, often in the form of the most base and even crude insults, I guess this has gotten to me to the point of losing my normal sense of forum decorum posting propriety myself.

I'll cut the weight jokes. 

YET, HOLY PADUKA, DOES THE MAN DESERVE A TASTE OF HIS OWN SADISTIC MINDED BULLY CRUDE INSULT CR#P HIMSELF... OR WHAT?

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Hey Joe,

You might want to reconsider making fun of the way people look. Trump's obesity, for example. When you make fun of Trump's obesity, you also make fun of the obesity of certain forum members. IMO. Besides that, it strikes me as a juvenile thing to do. (Though I know a lot of adults who do the same. So maybe it's just me.)

 

3 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

 

I didn't know Trump had a twin sister?

You must really check out this morning's ABC Rusty Bowers interview video below. 

ABC News

 

Bowers is man of deep U.S. constitution respecting integrity who courageously has chosen to stand up and speak out via national TV regards the many nefarious constitution threatening actions of Donald Trump, including specifically one which he believes was clearly criminal - the intimidation call to Georgia's top election official Secretary Of State Brad Raffensperger.

In Trump's typical embarrassingly immature junior high school bully insult throwing style he called Bowers a "Rino Coward" the other day at one of his ego feeding propaganda rallies right there in Bower's home state of Arizona.

Bowers ( like dozens of others ) has been subjected to various retribution minded punishments by the vindictive Trump forces.

Yet, he feels he must be strong and stay the course in standing up to and informing our country of the threat of Trumpism... which highly respected conservative retired Federal Judge J. Michael Luttig has framed as "a clear and present danger to our democracy."

This Trumpism debacle is playing out so similar to the fall of "McCarthyism."

20 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Tragically funny but true.

God what a sad and depressing American daily life reality we live in.

27 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

 

Is the bottom picture of Trump crawling up the grassy bank real?

No photo shop manipulation?

If so it is shocking - the girth - and yes, he has to be heavier than 240 lbs.

9 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

 

OMG !

Just now, Joe Bauer said:

Any thoughts about how much and in what ways the entire political landscape will change if Biden becomes incapacitated well before his term is up?

Incapacitated to the point that Biden would be unable to perform his duties as President.

76 year old Trump himself clearly looks physically too old and out of shape anymore to take on another 4 years of Presidency.

In just the last two years he has declined noticeably ( see his recent golf course pictures ) and looks like he could have a stroke or heart attack at any time.

His weight alone ( nearly 240 lbs ) is a huge physical problems risk factor.

Trump will be 78 in two years.

He won't run for president again. Everyone knows this.

Everyone knows he just uses this charade of a possible presidential run to garner national spotlight attention ( and funds ) to which he is addicted and to feed his massive boundless ego.

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Biden tests positive for COVID again, will return to isolation--CBS

Did I hear somebody say, "President Harris, she and her"? 

Any thoughts about how much and in what ways the entire political landscape will change if Biden becomes incapacitated well before his term is up?

Incapacitated to the point that Biden would be unable to perform his duties as President.

28 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

My wife saw a UFO in the 1990s while we were driving through Colorado. It was in the early morning, part of the way through sunrise. She was driving and I was sleeping. She said the UFO was gray-silver, made no noise, was shaped like a saucer, and was about 80 feet in diameter. She said that when she first noticed the UFO, it was about three football fields away (300 yards). She said that after a few seconds, it moved to a position about 200 feet directly in front of our car, enabling her to get a good look at it.

A few seconds after it moved to that position and she got a good look at it, she realized that it was a UFO and tried to wake me up. She grabbed my arm and yelled "Mike, wake up," but in the 2-3 seconds it took me to fully awake, the UFO departed. She said that as she grabbed my arm, she also began to apply the brakes to stop the car. She said that while she was doing this, the UFO zoomed away as if it had been shot out of a canon. She said it moved so rapidly that one second it was there, and the next second it was so far away that it was barely visible as a small dot and then vanished out of sight. 

After I was fully awake, I could tell that she was very shaken up and excited. At first, she just said, in a very excited voice, "I just saw a UFO! I just saw a UFO!" Once she calmed down, she described the object and how rapidly it had moved after she began to stop the car and grabbed my arm.

Wow!

I believe your story.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities 

can make you commit atrocities."

Voltaire.

1 hour ago, Mark Knight said:

This particular thread seems to have gotten more leeway than most [ANY?] other, so since I'm not wearing an Admin or Moderator hat on this thread, I'm not going to make any judgements about what's already been posted. You CAN ridicule Trump's appearance here, but it does nothing to strengthen or support any other arguments. That was my point, nothing else.

I've gotten a little carried away in Trump bashing lately.

Guess it's just pent up angst ( years worth ) about the guy on a personal level.

Just an awful person in so many ways and on so many levels imo.

1 hour ago, Pamela Brown said:

Odd coincidence...the winning Mega Millions ticket was sold in Des Plaines, IL, which was not far from where my younger son and I saw a UFO on July 3, 1996...

That IS a coincidence.

40 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

 

 

HAAAAA!!!

1 hour ago, Mark Knight said:

I'm no fan of Trump. I believe he belongs behind bars, upon conviction.

That said, I don't think criticizing his appearance makes him any more or less guilty. Let his actions themselves convince you of innocence or guilt.

But that's just the way I think.

The link Douglas Caddy posted clearly shows that Matt Goetz was involved in witness tampering with Roger Stone. If Goetz wasn't doing so on his own volition -- and there's no reason that he would -- then he was speaking as a representative of Trump, who indeed did make Stone's conviction "go away." They have video to go with the hot mic recording. Someone should be arrested based upon that evidence.

My fear is that BC and others who think as he does believe the person responsible for the hot mic and the video should be arrested instead of the actual perps.