What ever happened to the Trump appointed head of the CIA?

Is she still in charge?

If so, wouldn't it have been prudent for Biden to have placed his own person in that incredibly important and influential position?

Excuse my ignorance if Biden has already done so.

Peter Janney's credentials sure seem impressive. To me anyway.

I'd like to engage more regards Janney and his book after some better research.

FWIW ... I've never met and known anyone who is a jazz lover/aficionado to be anything but well read, honest and mentally healthy and grounded.

The Mary Meyer murder reads like a classic professional hit.

Her daily habits and comings and goings are studied. The perfect place to hit her is not at or inside her home. It would be in a lightly traversed public place with no eyewitness close by. Plant a mentally addled dupe nearby with a weak alibi and who just happens to have a criminal record no matter how benign.

There would be spotters in key locations.

Another unfortunate woman who knew too much.

To me her death is really sad. Shot twice. Pain beyond words to the point of passing out. Left crumpled up on a no-one-around path to die alone.

She never hurt anybody outside of her dumped husband.

A truly evil act.

47 minutes ago, Charles Blackmon said:

Microsoft Word - Jones_TOCPJ (benthamopen.com)

In this exhaustive study the conclusion is that "the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material. " Pretty compelling!

Yes, it is CB.

Haven't spent very much time on the 9/11 event.

However, are the stories about one of the Bush sons being involved with building security and leaving this connection just days before 9/11 true?

And a few other stories such as major stock sell offs just days before?

Or calls to certain Twin Tower office occupants to stay home that day?

What about the massive gold deposits located in the basement of one of the towers?

And most troubling, specific intel warnings of Saudis with known nefarious backgrounds training to fly the big planes are ignored?

9/11 was one of the most successful outrage and fearful emotion triggering events ever in it's instant nationwide lightings of nationalistic anti-Iraq fervor to a point of tens of thousands of worked up young men immediately running down to join the military to defend our homeland. Millions of Americans hoisting stars and stripes flags everywhere.

Until that day many Americans were ambivalent to noticeable degrees about the Bush. Cheney, Rumsfield message that we needed to engage the WMD/Hussein threat all out.

After 9/11 I think even Bush and team were stunned at how much of the entire nation became a blind rage, flag flying "do whatever it takes" Hussein avenging, Iraq invading cheering crowd.

Bush's favorability ratings shot through the roof in just days!

Patriotism 1st priority everywhere.

22 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

I would agree that to a great extent it seems to be myth/countermyth in the research community. I think Mark Shaw asks a lot of questions that need to be asked. I too am appreciative that he is keeping Kilgallen in the spotlight.  Hopefully, we can find some answers. 

Shaw's Marilyn Monroe take is not something I agree with.

One can find credibility issues with Shaw regards M.M. I admit.

Still, as I have mentioned many times off-and-on however, I will always feel the Dorothy Kilgallen suspicious death story ( coupled with her amazingly accomplished, highest celebrity connected world life ) is one of the most illogically wasted and ignored Hollywood A-list movie themes in the last 50 years.

A film of her life alone, even without her Jack Ruby investigation and laughably staged suicide, would have been remarkably attractive and marketable imo.

Hundreds of films have been made about people of less accomplishment and less celebrity than Dorothy Kilgallen. And none of them had the end of life intrigue of DK.

She's nearing "blowing the case wide open" regards her investigation into perhaps the greatest murder crime in America's history ... and just before she does...she dies in bed, oddly dressed, made up, sitting up, reading an upside down book, with the air conditioning in her room turned to full blast mode in cool November and with no note expressing regret that she is leaving her sincerely beloved children and especially her young son without a mother....PLEASE!

And top off this laughably suspicious scene with Kilgallen's closest confident friend Ms. Smith dying the next day? And DK's Ruby investigation files immediately disappearing?

Why the grandly illogical ignoring and burying of this magnificently qualified Hollywood A-List film story of one of our most well known celebrities of her day? And for over 50 years?

Just another typically suspect and contrived part of the JFK/Oswald/Ruby affair ... no?

Just now, Douglas Caddy said:

 

HAAAA!

1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

Oklahoma GOP candidate under fire for saying it is 'totally in the right' to execute gay people

by Sky Palma August 22, 2022

https://www.rawstory.com/candidate-scott-esk/

“A GOP candidate in Oklahoma's Republican primary runoff election tomorrow is facing backlash after comments he made several years ago have emerged, LGBT Nation reports.

Scott Esk, 56, who is running for a seat in the state's House, commented on a Facebook post back in 2013 where he quoted a bible verse and later added that "we would be totally in the right" to execute gay people.

“What I will tell you right now is that that was done in the Old Testament under a law that came directly from God,” he said at the time. “And in that time, there was, it was, totally just came directly from God.”

“Well, does that make me a homophobe? Maybe some people think it does,” he said. “But as far as I and many of the people, the voters of House District A7 are concerned, it simply makes me a Christian. Christians believe in biblical morality, kind of by definition, or they should.””

 

Does that mean we are going to go back to stoning people to death?

 

Steve Thomas

Wonder what this Scott Esk has to say about J. Edgar Hoover, Eleanor Roosevelt, thousands of Catholic church priests, British WWII hero Alan Turing, thousands of past and present Hollywood stars (including Perry Mason himself ),  Mathew Sheppard and on and on and on?

22 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Was JFK a liberal or a conservative? Why not let JFK speak for himself.

In 1960 JFK was nominated for president in two political parties, the Democratic Party and the Liberal Party. He described what his liberal beliefs are (and aren't) in his Liberal Party acceptance speech:

https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/liberal-party-nomination-nyc-19600914

I think that speech should answer anybody's questions where JFK stood on liberal-vs-conservative issues. That he won the Liberal Party nomination should also tell us something.

Here are some excerpts:

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label, "Liberal"? If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But, if by a "Liberal," they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people - their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties - someone who believes that we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say that I'm a "Liberal." [Applause.]

... Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 presidential campaign is whether our Government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility. [Applause.]

... And tonight we salute Adlai Stevenson as an eloquent spokesman for the effort to achieve an intelligent foreign policy. [Applause.]{Adlai Stevenson was more a dove than a hawk. }

 

Says it all.

9 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

I interpret Dulles's prolonged laughter after RFK saying, "Because I know you," as an expression of veiled hostility and surprise at the absurdity of the "compliment."

      

Agree.

On 8/21/2022 at 7:15 AM, Michael Griffith said:

Someone asked me for some examples of ultra-liberal preaching in the documentary JFK: Destiny Betrayed. One of the most unfortunate statements that jumped out at me when I watched it was this one in Episode 2 (starting at 27:22):

John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles came from a Christian background, and they felt, you know, what they had to say was good enough for the rest of the world.

Are you kidding me? Seriously? What if someone made that same statement but replaced "Christian background" with "LGBT background" or "African-American background" or "Muslim background"? Nearly everyone, regardless of ideology, would call the statement bigoted and insulting. But I guess it's okay when Christians are the target?

This is a needless, senseless insult to every person raised as a Christian and who takes their faith seriously. This is exactly the kind of far-left stuff that has caused so many conservatives to have the perception that the only people who reject the Warren Report are "godless, immoral liberals."

To even imply that Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles were Christians is an insult to every genuine Christian. Hitler made an annual donation to a Christian fund from the time he took over Germany until the end of the war, but no rational person would suggest that Hitler was a Christian. Alan Dulles ordered innocent people murdered. He was a pathological xxxx. The fact that he "came from a Christian background" is irrelevant because obviously he abandoned whatever Christian teaching he was given. 

Thank goodness that this insulting statement is omitted from JFK Revisited. 

My apologies but could you clarify your point here? Are you upset that anyone would mention the Dulles brothers being Christian as if doing so taints other Christians?

No argument here. Just a little confused.

My take on JFK was he was a liberal in line with his Irish Catholic upbringing roots.

Despite his individual family's great wealth...I am sure JFK knew that the cultural history of Irish Catholics was one of great faith yet almost always combined with great poverty.

People raised in poor cultures generally are more liberal in their identity with and sympathy for other poor peoples.

I grew up with many Irish Catholic families right here on the California Coast in the 1950's and 60's.

They all seemed to have 10 kids each! And it seemed to me they were always struggling with basic need bills, especially food.

I was so close to these families I was often at their homes sharing the cheapest white bread, meatless spaghetti and powdered milk meals.

We were as poor and even more so at times. 7 boys with no father and dependent on county welfare.

Our mom just didn't like organized religion so she didn't make us go to church...although she always said she believed in Jesus Christ and his general teachings of right and wrong. I still have this same religious view.

In my assessment, there seemed to be much, much more to JFK besides any liberal leanings he may have had. 

He was a tough cookie in so many other areas of political, social, economic and military beliefs that were conservative if he had to be.

One thing I have always noticed about JFK was his tough character when he was confronted by other power groups and individuals who felt they could intimidate him when they felt he wasn't going along with their agendas.

JFK stood up to such groups and men as LeMay, Dulles, Hoover, Texas Oil, General Walker, Southern governors you name it.

Firing Dulles and Cabell?  Firing Walker?

I am sure JFK got this toughness from his father. A ruthless son-of-a-gun when he wanted something bad enough.

There is a telephone call audio tape of JFK personally ripping into an Air Force officer who stupidly put out a press release which in some way depicted a perception of indulgent spending on JFK's part regards some furniture purchases?

JFK was livid! He told the mumbling officer he just blew the entire Air Force budget with his silly stupid actions.

To me this tape revealed JFK had a red hot temper at times that was not to be messed with, even by those highest power people who opposed him and his agendas versus their own.

Fired and vindictive Allen Dulles on JFK ..."he thought he was a little God."

For what it's worth.

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

C'mon, Ben.  Are you now trying to argue that Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are partisan "Donks?" 🤥

You've twisted yourself into a Russian pretzel for the past year trying to deny the terrible truth about Trump's J6 coup attempt, but this takes the proverbial pirogue.

Nor has it been easy to bring Trump's co-conspirators before the investigating committee.  Meadows and others have stubbornly refused to comply with their subpoenas.  Flynn plead the 5th repeatedly during his appearance.

BTW, did you ever finally watch the J6 hearings?  They have been outstanding and, certainly, educational-- nothing at all like the Republican Benghazi show trials.

Sadly, the people who really need to watch them are hiding their heads in their distal alimentary canals.

Here's my question.

What is your resistance to facing the truth about Trump's historic misconduct?

What impact would it have on your life if you were to finally realize that Trump is a self-serving scoundrel who conspired to overturn an election in order to remain in power?

Bingo.

" If the average American knew half of what's really going on in the world, they'd probably go into their backyards and kill themselves."

Quote related 12th handedly to me by a now deceased friend.

Remember my own "Close Encounters Of The Third Kind" film type scene event I've related here on the forum before? 

It was in late August or very early September, 1997.

A Friday night.

Our house was lit up at 2: AM by the brightest light I have ever seen.

It awakened me and I had to shield my eyes from this cold blue white light which flooded through our windows and was coming in from just above our home on it's street fronting side.

The light reminded me of a welders torch in it's color and intensity. Or maybe an arch on a high voltage powerline? But, those lights always flicker. This was a steady non-wavering light. It was present three or four straight minutes or more.

In Pebble Beach. Calif. there were no street lights. The homes there are nestled in a thick pine tree forest. No side walks. You are literally in the middle of a forest. You can't believe how dark it is at night there.

After two or more minutes, this light was still so bright it awakened my wife in her own bedroom next to mine just by it's intensity coming in "under" her windowless room shut door! My room door was open to the upper hallway windows that faced the source of the light. 

As soon as I heard my awakened wife say "What is that light?" and as she got up and started to turn the door knob to open it, the light simply stopped!

We started to talk about the strange light and soon realized our electricity was off. Clock radios and their lights, refrigerator stopped humming. Light switches didn't work.

My wife and I then sat on her bed in curious and bewildered silence.

All of a sudden a few minutes later our electricity blinked back on! Clock radio lights blinking, refrigerator humming.

Our phone worked so we called the Pebble Beach company security gate a mile away and asked them if they saw any strange lights or had their electricity interrupted in the last 10 or 15 minutes and they said they saw no unusual lights and their electricity was never interrupted.

Tired, we went back to bed.

The next morning as my wife was making breakfast and I was reading the newspaper downstairs ( all the bedrooms were upstairs ) we heard our 12 year old boy slowly walking down the stairs and into our area and he moaned..."Ooohh man...I had the worst nose bleed of my life last night."

We looked up and my wife screamed!

The front of our son's T-shirt was covered in dried blood! As was his face underneath his nose. We ran upstairs and his pillow was also blood soaked.

The scary thing was he hadn't ever had a nose bleed before!

And this one happened after the eye hurting bright light flooded the inside of our home at 2:AM!

Note: I did not get out of bed to look for the source of light until my wife awoke and it blinked off.

The first minute or two I was simply groggy and wondering if I was dreaming. I was also confused and in an amazed state of wonder.

The last two minutes...I must admit I was afraid!

Kind of cowardly I know.

One thing I have learned in all my years of studying the JFK event is it is more logical to first assume the more conspiratorial viewpoint regards anything remotely suspicious with most all the main nefarious characters involved.

Versus first assuming the typical mundane, coincidental and so-called normal viewpoint in such areas as their deaths.

Especially the New Orleans ones. 

What a crazy mix of the most eccentric and strange weirdos.

So many of them led secretive covert lives. From the most extreme view political activities to their personal and sexual orientation ones.

That whole scene of New Orleans back in those days reads like a surreal madcap theater of the absurd!

With dozens of different eccentric character acts all going on at the same time.

Portly New Orleans jive talking attorney Dean Andrews chasing down dead beat clients like Lee Harvey Oswald, taking on a half dozen "gay boys" jail house bail outs at a time, getting paid by the "Big Enchilata" ( Clay Bertrand ) for doing so and tipsily dancing by himself in Jazz hoppin' Bourbon Street clubs at night. 

Shady CIA connected aristocrat Clay Shaw hitting the seedy night club scene himself and signaling prospective paramours with pinky finger waves of invite.

No body hair David Ferry running a rat lab, leading recruits at a secret anti-Castro guerrilla training ground, hypnotizing young men for who knows what purpose, working part time for Carlos Marcello and maybe even paranoid commie chasing ring leader Guy Banister.

Guy Banister ... Oh Boy!  Smacking anyone around with his big 357 magnum revolver who triggers his hot headed temper. Don't EVER call him "DARLING." Sleeping with his equally worked up secretary Delphine Roberts.

Jack Martin. Poor Jack Martin. A burned out, coffee addicted fly on the wall part time Banister investigative agency case worker whose face beat the hell out of Banister's big hand gun. 

Marcello's people doing all the things mob people do. New Orleans was his personal fiefdom.

Orest Pena and his Habana Club. Oh yeah!  A rough, stinking, clap board drunken brawling pro-Castro/anti-Castro seamen intrigue version of the Casablanca film's "Ricks Place." 

Agent DeBruey's getting informant info from Pena for years. 

Judyth Vary Baker chasing around. Working for the sinister Alton Ochsner and kindly Dr. Mary Sherman one day, doing secretarial work at Reilly's coffee company and even flipping burgers the next? Getting it on with Lee and even visiting mad scientist David Ferry's apartment and meeting "Sparky" there?

Fights on downtown city streets in broad daylight between Lee and Carlos Bringuier.

Jada doing her thing there before Jack Ruby stole her for his Carousel Club.

Agency people running around. Hot headed Cuban ex-pats running around.

"Green Giant" Jim Garrison ( one of my heroes ) and his crew running around.

Shrimp gumbo, jazz, Mardi Gras madness ... all going on in a place generally considered a relatively corrupt, sinful, dirty, run down and large poverty class American city.

Both Ferry and Bannister are found naked in death?

Both connected to extremely dangerous and powerful people and activities.

Both with knowledge that would knock the socks off any truly honest JFK and Oswald investigation.

And in my opinion...the fact that old Guy Banister could take on two or three young punks and hold his own on that City bus just weeks before his naked body is discovered doesn't fit the bad heart scenario ... as well as Banister's libido keeping a much younger hot momma Delphine Roberts content.

3 hours ago, Mark Knight said:

But Ben still thinks the SS, or at least rogue SS agents, weren't part of the coup attempt. Ben, BECAUSE of the JFK assassination and its aftermath, I have problems putting my full trust in the SS. 

Astounding claim.

13 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

Thanks Ron. I think that's the reason why the police conspired with Ruby to kill Oswald. They couldn't let this case go to trial. They had to nip it in the bud before they lost custody of Oswald to the Sheriff's Department.

I agree.

7 hours ago, Andrew Prutsok said:

The one night stand between the Joker and Leona Helmsley didn't end well.

HA!

Great observation.

23 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

From someone who was young at this time, and remembers the reaction of people around me and the public. I take issue with a lot assertions made here  that "the JFKA started a distrust of government in the U.S. that's never recovered". No way, It was the tragedy of the Viet Nam War and the war resistance, and the race riots of the 60's that changed the U.S.for good. The JFKA was sort of an afterthought, a sort of icing on the cake  that reared it's ugly head after people finally started doubting their government narrative, and their kids were coming home in body bags. That was the lead story for almost a decade!.

I disagree regards these two points.

I was 12 when JFK was taken out.

Just a kid, but let me tell you I had never seen anything in my young life that stopped, stunned and shocked "everyone" in the world around me ( a small town one I admit ) as much as the JFK assassination and 2 days later the killing of the main suspect right inside the Dallas Police Department building basement.

Weeks ( even months ) of 24/7 main stream news coverage.

The JFK killing was a dark grey cloud pall that hung over everything this entire time.

No one seemed to have any clear idea of how to even discuss the JFK murder. 

However, when sleazy strip joint owner Ruby blasted a hole in the main and only suspect Oswald's gut on live national TV with tens of millions of Americans watching, and in the most improbable location security breakdown imaginable , I can remember everyone expressing one main thought and feeling...suspicion.

Half the adult population of this country couldn't help but feel this. It was rational to do so considering the impossibly illogical Oswald security breakdown circumstances.

I didn't hear anyone expressing suspicion immediately after JFK killing, but after Oswald's for sure.

I believe millions of Americans felt an uncomfortable and even unsettling twinge of suspicion also by seeing LBJ step into the presidency by the virtue only of JFK's murder.

Texas good ole boy LBJ was the antithesis of JFK in so many ways. 

The JFK killing ( and equally the Oswald one) was the first real birth of serious widespread government mistrust in my opinion.

This was expressed and fed by a huge wave of JFK conspiracy books and articles that were immediately published nation wide. Yet, people had to get on with their daily lives. 

Even thoughts of suspicion and mistrust ( although not totally abandoned ) fade.

However, with other nation rocking events like the murders of MLK and RFK taking place  just 5 years later, I truly believe the average American sensed that "all three assassinations together" of the most popular and influential anti-establishment political and social leaders of that era were more than coincidental.

That nefarious forces in our nation with immense power ( including inside our own government ) had to be involved.

That suspicion and mistrust was deep and widespread more than our history books related imo.

I cite the huge success of Oliver Stone's film "JFK" as proof of that proposition.

30 years "after" 11,22,1963, tens of millions of Americans ( especially those who lived through JFK's assassination ) came out in droves to see that film because they still harbored and were still connected to it's suggestive premise that there was something very suspicious and nefarious about the JFK and OSWALD killings, and not being able to confidently dismiss the possibility that forces inside our own government were involved.

The fact that every national polling ( hundreds ) since 1963 regards the "lone gunman " findings of the Warren Commission shows a majority of Americans "still" not believing or accepting that finding ( 60 years later!) is my strongest argument point affirming the reality of true and continuous serious mistrust of our government in this major way.

And that it all started with the JFK and Oswald killings.

I've mentioned the following idea many times in the forum over the last few years.

Facial and body identification technology has been advanced 200 fold in the last 30 years.

It's actually scary to know that in many totalitarian and dictatorial run societies they have this advanced technology and use it regularly and in a wide scale public way to stifle dissent.

No place to hide for those who may be opposed to such regimes. Public protest demonstrations are out of the question for them.

With that...there is the technology now to take new looks at several suspicious character pictures of the Dealey Plaza street crowd scene on 11,22,1963 and have a decent chance of determining whether they are truly some of the "Usual Suspects" many have suggested in the past.

General "Ed Lansdale" as the crooked hand suited man walking by the three tramps in front of the side of the Texas Schoolbook Depository building.

And "Rip Roberston" standing in front of the TXSBD entrance area watching as JFK's limo drives by.

And who knows what other nefarious characters such as Johnny Roselli, David Morales, Joseph Milteer, etc.

Room for thought for sure.

Those grandparents in the laundromat may have had their directional distances wrong but if they shared their story within a day or two to the DPD and probably their family...what they ( or she ) "thought" they saw was totally fresh in their minds.

Yes, the grandma may have been wrong in her ID of the pay phone user being Oswald, however the fellow must have certainly looked enough like Oswald for her to put herself in a position of scrutiny by the police which most average persons are loathe to do.

And I'll guess that people walking into a laundromat to only use it's pay phone when they aren't doing their laundry there was not a 6 a day occurrence.

The woman must have seen Oswald's picture 100 times in the papers and on TV that day and right after. She obviously felt sure he was the same person who she saw come into the laundromat and do something different than a normal customer.

Especially when she kept an eagle eye on him due to her purse being right next to him.

Who's to say Oswald didn't call someone just before his reaching the shoe store and then the theater?

I give as much believability credibility to average everyday people as I do so-called higher educated or professional position folks.

Since this thread has been moved to it's own separate forum space it seems to have been allowed to go off on it's own course with regards to Trump even more than before when it was getting more and more complaints on the main one as far as it being so off-topic regards JFK.

Serious Trump discussion to humorous Trump discussion - no holds barred!

I enjoy both.

On my own humorous note - can you imagine future films trying to capture the full breath of the Trump presidency and his post presidency mischief?

Let alone the rest of Trump's obsessive wealth and celebrity chasing pre-POTUS life?

I often ponder what Oliver Stone would do with a "TRUMP" film effort.

I would think Stone might feel it would be too much to take on - seriously.

That the craziness of it all was and is so magnificently outsized that he simply couldn't capture the TRUMP story adequately in one 2 and 1/2 hour film.

It would have to be a trilogy or even more divaricated like so many film themes now that have been franchised with 5, 6 or 7 sequels one after another.

Like Star Wars, Mission Impossible, Fast And Furious, Jason Bourne and Fantasy Super Hero bang outs etc.

And perhaps that spending too much time in the research and development stage ( months and months or even years ) of such a mega-sized Trump saga might be too much for him at his age.

And include the not too impossible danger of immersing oneself into a virtual insane asylum where one risks starting to absorb the intense pathological energy of the most damaged patients if you stay too long?

Pretending I am a serious screenplay writer tasked with the Trump story I first wonder where to begin.

Scenes of Trump as a child accompanying his father overseeing new building construction and deals and being constantly indoctrinated by his stern father's business and even moral and other life ethics beliefs and tenets?

With one overriding theme...that the absolute worst thing that can befall a man is to be looked upon as ... a LOSER!

Rich = Winner. Poor = Loser.

Moving on through his childhood rambunctiousness and placement in military school environments where he would have more structure and discipline to contain his well known strong self will behavior that some have recounted as sometimes bullying?

Skipping to his presidential run because there is just too much ground to cover before hand, I can't shake the hilarity of it all.

Those primary debates especially. Where for the first time in my experience I witnessed one candidate ( Trump ) turning the debates into mean junior high school boys taunting and insulting name throwing events.

Little Marco! Lying Ted Cruz. Mommas boy Jeb Bush - call your mother Jeb. Ugly Carly Forina? Incredibly personally insulting stuff. Right to their faces!

Trump was relentless and seemed to enjoy humiliating his opponents and making them blush with stunned embarrassment.

I couldn't belief a serious candidate could get away with this reckless and immature name calling bullying in front of millions of live TV watching Americans.

The main media press however seemed to leave it go without any condemnation of it's incivility. My guess is because they were basking in the super high viewer ratings Trump's crude and insulting crazy behavior was inspiring.

Let the clown go!  He's bringing in record ratings numbers!

Lastly ... there is so much mind boggling chaos in Trump's actual presidency with spontaneous firings, unprecedented turn over, eccentric person appointments, unqualified nepotism to the extreme, weird bonds to and affection for ruthless dictators, impeachment efforts, porn star cheating allegations and pay offs, countless ridiculously over-staged evangelical religious crusade type rallies with too animated screaming cheers after every sentence of Trump's bragging and forced laughter at his lame humor jokes and lines, the Corona Virus disaster and on and on and on...

Topped off by the most aggressive and violent attack on our government since the civil war, with our very own Capital building full of our entire Congress and even our Vice President stormed with resulting great bodily injury to over 100 Capital police who were left unreinforced to confront and hold back the multi-thousand number mob of murder and Trump praising shouting thugs.

With their hero and leader gleefully watching the carnage on TV and choosing to withhold his power and ability to stop it at anytime ( for 3 hours ) with simply a broadcast order to his worked up mob to stop and peacefully go home.  

Topped by telling the rampaging attack mob injury inflicters, property damage bashers and looters after the carnage that "we love you", "we understand your pain", "you are very special people."   

Mwaaa - blown kiss! 

A major Hollywood film or series of Trump's life and presidency films would require a massive ( unprecedented ) production budget and a cast of thousands.

A title?

Egads...take your best shot!

Donald J. Trump - A Man Who Would Be President.

Mr. Trump Goes To Washington.

I Am Perfect -The Presidency of Donald. J. Trump. 

Subtitles...

"A Man Not Afraid To 'Grab Em By The Pu$$y!' "

"A Man Not Afraid To Throw Ketchup When He Has To."

"Just Find Me 11,000 Votes!"

Regards the interview posted above via the link;

Has Joseph McBride ever mentioned this interview?

If he has seen the transcript, did he not think it was of any value?

Does he dismiss it for any reason?

Well, there's that old proposition that RFK knew he couldn't do anything about a real JFK investigation until and only if he was President.

His enemies were too powerful to take on without the full power of the Presidency.

As President he could have placed his own people to head the CIA, FBI, AG and so many other powerful positions to then get the kind of control and power he needed.

15 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

       Yeah, Ron, Dusty Hill was always a big Elvis fan, as I learned from watching that recent documentary on Netflix about ZZ Top.

       Coincidentally, I've been watching a bunch of old Elvis flicks on HBO Max during the past week.  They take me back to my childhood, when I first watched some of them at our neighborhood theater.

       My favorite is Viva Las Vegas, from 1964.  There's a lot of Americana in that film-- including footage of the Vegas Strip and the Grand Prix race over the Hoover Dam.  But the best scenery in the film is Ann Margaret!  

 

My two Elvis stories.

I was driving my cheap old junker car around the ocean drive in Pebble Beach to a gardening/groundsman job I had at a wealthy person's home situated right on the cliffs next to the Lone Cypress.

I was 26. Didn't make but 5 or $6 an hour but I needed to work outdoors due to stress.

A mile or so around the shoreline it was reported on my radio that Elvis had died.

They started playing Elvis songs. It was a big news story for a week after.

Around 1989 I had a little side business of selling gardening themed items such as T-shirts, ball caps etc. I called my business "The Garden Artist."

I had set up some display tables at our Local Monterey County Fairgrounds ( home of the Monterey Pop Festival ) to sell my goods at an actual "Garden Show." Lots of garden related item vendors.

I had a very visible outdoor location.

At this time I was still thin, good looking, and very personable with a constant smile on my face.

For a noticeable amount of time I noticed one woman standing maybe 30 feet away who seemed to just want to watch me. 

Hmmm. 

Eventually when I had no one at the tables she slowly walked over.

She was very shy.

She kept looking at me. Making direct eye contact.

I must say there was instant attraction on both our parts.

I am a talker. So I tactfully began to say things that made her feel comfortable to talk also.

Long story short...

She eventually asked me whether I might have recognized her face?

I said something like " well, it's sure a pretty one...but no."

She said she had starred in two films with Elvis.

"Blue Hawaii" and "Kid Galahad."

Not seeing those films I embarrassingly admitted this.

Anyway...her name was Joan Blackmon.

Beautiful woman. Incredibly bright and glowing blue eyes.

She got my phone number and started calling me at home.

My wife got jealous eventually and picking up the phone before I could answer it one day, cursed her out for trying to steal her man.

Or something like that.

Never heard from her again.  Joan Blackmon. Beautiful woman.

Never asked her about Elvis personally, and she never offered any thoughts about him either.

And she didn't buy even one of my gardening T-shirts or ball caps!

Upon which I had printed some great, colorful and original art work and garden sayings.

At the end of the show the show organizer bought all my stock at 4% of my initial investment cost. Lost $15,000 on that venture.

40 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

To people who are always upset when others put down Trump in millions of ways.

Get off your masochistic kick, and try getting a candidate who isn't an ongoing, perpetual embarrassment to you.

Try getting a candidate that isn't so pathologically emotionally insecure he has to tell everyone he talks to 24/7 how great he is and how anyone who disagrees with him are out to get him and are themselves crazy.

Lead AOL news story is about Trump and his "revenge" tour where he is verbally working up his base and attacking any Republican political candidate that in any way was disloyal to his standing at any time.

Trump asked Garland to "turn down the heat"...but does the opposite himself in his daily public pronouncements?

The hypocrisy craziness never ends.

30 minutes ago, Ken Davies said:

Joe,

 You can take the 5th on this one!

HA!!!

Thanks for the out Ken!

Personally I went to a couple when I was in my earliest 20's. Back in 1971 or 72?

In our small population area there were only two or so. The local authorities closed them down after just a year or two of operation.

San Francisco ( 120 miles to the North ) was loaded with strip joints back in the 50's and 60's but started shutting them down in the 70's as well. San Francisco had everything back in those days.

Famous San Francisco Chronicle high society gossip columnist Herb Cain called his city..."Bagdad By The Bay." Due to it's high number colorful cast of exotic characters and wide open nightlife.

One of these was Carol Doda. Doda was a respected nationally known San Francisco exotic dancer celebrity back in those days.

A SF icon advertised in the San Francisco Chronicle entertainment pages as much as the Opera, theater, sports, you name it.

However, Jada would have blown Doda off the entire scene imo.

I've seen many strippers on line versus in person.

Candy Barr was famous and easy to find on the internet.

Sorry for getting off the thread track here, but sometimes interesting historical side stories make our forum reads a little more uh ... fun?

And mine is connected to a well known Jack Ruby related figure by the name of Jada.