Joe Bauer

37 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:

I'm trying to track down a copy of the column...

In the meantime, I found this page...lots of interesting info...

Reporting on UFOs

On February 15, 1954, Dorothy Kilgallen commented in her syndicated column, "Flying saucers are regarded as of such vital importance that they will be the subject of a special hush-hush meeting of the world military heads next summer."^[30]

In a May 22, 1955 report from London, syndicated by the INS, Kilgallen stated, "British scientists and airmen, after examining the wreckage of one mysterious flying ship, are convinced these strange aerial objects are not optical illusions or Soviet inventions, but are flying saucers which originate on another planet. The source of my information is a British official of Cabinet rank who prefers to remain unidentified. 'We believe, on the basis of our inquiry thus far, that the saucers were staffed by small men—probably under four feet tall. It's frightening, but there is no denying the flying saucers come from another planet.'" This article, which was separate from Kilgallen's column, appeared on the front pages of the New York Journal American,^[31] the Cincinnati Enquirer,^[32] and other newspapers. The Washington Post ran it on page 8.^[33] Gordon Creighton, editor of the magazine Flying Saucer Review, alleged the information was given to Kilgallen by Lord Mountbatten of Burma at a cocktail party, but attempts to verify this were unsuccessful.^[34]

2 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

Graham predicts ‘riots in the streets’ if Trump prosecuted over classified docs

Like I have mentioned many times...Trump and his gang of followers are using the threat of violence to try to prevent Trump from facing criminal indictment justice.

It's so blatant and open now...even top Republican legislators are getting in on this Mafia type intimidation tactic act!

Mess with our guy and there will be violence coming your way. Get our message my friends?

More and more the pursuit, honoring, protecting and implementing of our sacred Constitutional tenets is being held hostage by these thugs and their growing violence warning threats.

Threats so prevalent they are coming in from every Trump area daily.

Threats against the FBI and DOJ as well?

Sounds like we are at risk of becoming a Mafia type controlled society.

Afraid to stand up for and defend our own constitution against thuggery forces opposed to our greatest birth of a nation foundation?

Which is it America...Mafia tactics Trump...or our own constitution?

I think JVB went through some deeper emotional issues later in life.

Or ones she may have always had but never dealt with?

Like half the country!

I think perhaps acquiring some celebrity through her Lee Harvey Oswald claims was an antidote to her perhaps unfulfilled and needing existence?

Just guesses. 

No doubt that she is a very intelligent person. She speaks well in public.

JVB claims she kept a gift Lee Oswald once gave her. She had shown this to her beloved sister "Debbie."

JVB also claims she revealed her Oswald love affair to this sister well before she went public with it.

This sister has never once publicly contradicted nor stated anything negative, dismissive or disbelieving about JVB and her LHO love story.

And who would know JVB better than anyone besides her close bond sister?

Kids are almost always kept in the dark when it comes to their parent's secrets.

4 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

Dorothy's plight also caught the eye of Alex Constantine, in The Covert War Against Rock, where he says, on page 4, that she penned an open letter to LBJ in her Dec. 21, 1964 column, asking him about exploring the ramifications of the use of (electromagnetic) thought control... 

Really Pamela?

True?

Fascinating.

Just another box check in a list of nefarious power threatening reasons to get DK neutralized perhaps?

2 hours ago, Derek Thibeault said:

"Uncovered it's head warlock" - I let out a laugh on that. I know she has been dubious, but why did Turner waste an episode on her? She goes to conventions and tries to be part of the witness community.

As crazy as many label Judyth Vary Baker to be...I'm sorry, but imo there is enough in her New Orleans residency recounting to not totally dismiss several elements of her Lee Oswald knowing and maybe even sexual interaction story.

Baker was in New Orleans at the exact same time as Lee.

Lee often did go to the post office where she says she first saw him. Lee was always writing letters and receiving them as well and always through P.O. boxes.

Lee did look clean cut as she described upon her first seeing him.

Baker was in some way involved with Tulane University and cancer research and very easily could have met Alton Oschner if even for a few seconds long introduction. She did know or at least knew of Dr. Mary Sherman.

David Ferry was truly involved in cancer research himself. He ran a rat lab right out of his funky apartment. Did Baker actually visit there? Could her description of it's layout and interior and even location be more detailed than anything previously published?

Baker just happened to be hired by the Reily Coffee company on the same day as Lee Oswald? True or not? Just coincidence? Reily's being a known cover job providing entity for you know who. Baker wondered why she was given a secretarial position there when she had absolutely no experience with those kinds of duties.

Same with Oswald cleaning and greasing coffee grinding machines.

Baker and Oswald both took buses everywhere. Baker lived on the same bus line and took the same bus to and from Reily's daily as Oswald did? And at the same times?

In the least, she and Lee were mere feet from each other on those months of bus rides and bus stop waiting.

Oswald abused his duties at Reilys. Cleaning mechanical coffee grinding machines was not his thing. He would stay out at lunch and hang out at the next door parking garage reading gun magazines.

His supervisor at Reily's said he acted like he could care less about his job there.

Oswald is eventually fired because of his job negligence but also reportedly partly because of his Pro-Cuba leaflet passing downtown. Which by the way he was paid to do.

Judyth Baker is fired from her position at Reilys also just days later?

She says because of her close association with Lee.

Many other things JVB has recounted regards LHO and New Orleans cannot be totally debunked as false or mere coincidence imo.

Baker was a brilliant high school student. No debate there. Her Florida hometown newspaper articles detailed her accomplishments at that time.

Baker never once lied or exaggerated anything about her fiance while she was living in New Orleans. She has written respectfully of him always.

Judyth never claimed any other dalliances with anyone except LHO.

She wasn't a loose sex starved flirt. She was intellectually driven.  She claims only two sexual relationships in her young life. That's not many.

Off topic I know. However, the TMWKK piece on JVB may sound "out there" to many and not worthy of filming and showing. She is obviously eccentric and has stated many questionable things. I have encountered many people in my life like her. Eccentric and outspoken but underneath those quirks...extremely intelligent. Some call this off-centered behavior bohemian.

E. Howard Hunt made his tape recorded near death JFK "Big Event" confessional years after the TMWKK series came out.

Yet in this he affirms some aspects of TMWKK episode of "The Guilty Men " in placing LBJ at the head of the conspiracy in partnership with Cord Meyer.

Again, just more smoke to add to the fire search truth.

14 minutes ago, Mark Knight said:

I will once again say that this "Deep State" is the oligarchy. Their agenda isn't so much political as it is financial.  Communism, as we've seen, isn't the answer; there is a "Deep State" fed by corruption in EVERY communist government. BUT it's apparent that UNRESTRICTED capitalism also feeds a "Deep State" here in the US, in which cash-heavy corporate interests BUY legislators and judges, who will ALWAYS legislate and rule in favor of the oligarchy.

And Trump isn't FIGHTING the "Deep State;" he's a PART of it. When he rails against a "Deep State," he's actually railing against truth, justice, and accountability. 1984 IS HERE. When Trump says it's a lie, it's TRUE. When Trump says something is unfair, it's JUST. The man is, I'm convinced, incapable of telling the truth. The "Deep State" isn't against him; rather, holding him accountable is actually acting AGAINST the "Deep State." 

Trump is p*ssing on your leg and telling you it's raining. And Ben is opening his umbrella.

BINGO, BRAVO, RIGHT ON!

Trump is simply a spoiled rotten, temper tantrum throwing, adolescent emotional level stunted, pathologically self-centered, sociopathic mean spirited child/bully whose "only" standard of values is how much money one has.

The more money you have the more you are a winner. The less money you have the more you are a loser.

It's truly that black and white with him.

There is no debate about Trump's single minded psychological and moral core.

He insults anyone that crosses, criticizes or competes with him ( publicly and even to their face ) often with crude names. He makes fun of others in a sadistic hurtful way. He acts and talks like a Mafia Don. He intimidates and threatens others with coded words of implied retribution and even violence. He has cheated, swindled and stiffed thousands. He has cheated on his taxes for decades. He has cheated on his wives. He's sexually aggressive with women and in one reported case assaultive. He's been caught in thousands of l**s. He l**s obsessively and without one second of consciousness guilt. He cozies up to ruthless dictators. He insulted the honor and integrity of military sacrificing heroes like John McCain when he himself got 5 questionable draft deferments to get out of serving himself. He taunts and defies Constitutional norms and laws. He is the essence of nepotistic grifting with installing his family and their friends in paid high government positions who were totally unqualified for them.

Please, Trump defenders...tell us Trump's good and moral side, will you?

But he has captured half the country with an almost civil war accepting loyalty.

How?  IMO by cheering on and aggressively promoting long time deep seeded angers, fears and resentments half the country has harbored since the 1960's.

Centered around race, immigration, guns, homosexuality, etc.

Go down to the Capital Building and "fight like hell" my friends. Because "if you don't you won't have a country anymore."

And I will march with you.

These utility bills everyone here are complaining about have exploded to crazy high levels the last few years.

It appears to be almost nation wide.

Same here on the Calif. Coast. We also have the highest water bill rates in the nation.

Gas is still 100% higher than it was a year and 1/2 ago.

Food prices are double what they were 2 to 3 years ago.

Just took my old junker car ( 2007 ) in because of a "Check Engine" light appearing and our bill was $369.

$20 for the part ( oil pump switch ) $250 labor.

Mechanic said it took 1 and 1/2 hours just "to find" the problem!

Point is...half of our nation of middle class and lower income wage earners are being killed in all of the basic ( non-indulgent) needs cost areas.

Biden has nothing to do with this across the board greed based corporate price hike madness.

Heck, even fast food is 50% higher than just 2 to 3 years ago.

Our local DOLLAR STORE just raised everything 25%! They are now the $1.25 store.

I got a 1.3 % raise in my Social Security benefit check this last January. My Medicare co-pay charges were raised at the same time so now I am taking home "even less" than the year before. And we have to pay taxes on our Social Security income? Insane!

Corporate greed ( 5% of America owns 85% of it's wealth including corporation and real estate ownership ) is to blame.

There is no competitive free market with the basics anymore.

Here every landlord colludes with others in keeping the rents here 300% higher than they were just 20 to 25 years ago. There are no other gas companies giving customers a choice of cheaper gas. Same with water and utilities. Food the same unless you can go to a food bank for some things. Car care cost, medical care, insurance rates...

Along with the Corona Virus/Covid stresses and nation dividing and violence fearing Trump madness ... America is exhausted.

Too bad Nigel Turner didn't get the Bill Harvey widow interview in one of his segments.

Wow!

The woman recounts her and her husband's hatred of JFK, Jackie and RFK.

To a degree that is shocking.

Simple question:

Was the incredibly explosive "showering outward firework" collapse of the towers versus the non- exploding straight down fall collapse of building 7 solely because of physical structure materials and design differences?

I mean look at the huge exploding out showers of the Towers.

It really does look like there was an exploding force all the way down the towers.

Almost volcanic eruption looking. Including a massive ash cloud spreading out for a mile or more?

Reminds me of the old films of the Mount St. Helens eruption in 1980.

But building 7?

Clean as a whistle straight down pancaking collapse?

And I ask again the questions I listed in my first post. No one answered those?

Why?  None of them were true?

Vince...it's absolutely common sense to consider there must have been hundreds of people in Dallas and all areas of the U.S. that knew something intriguing about the main characters involved or other things they witnessed or heard regards the JFK event that never came forward to report or share what they knew.

From day one there was real fear surrounding knowing or seeing or hearing anything related to every aspect of the events and the main identified persons involved. It was totally rational to have that fear.

So many people who did come forward went through scrutinizing hell including secret agency, police and press hounding to the point that many eventually said if they had the opportunity to go back they would never had said a word about what they knew.

And people do keep secrets to their dying breaths. Life and death or reputation damaging secrets especially. I know first hand of this reality.

I could easily see someone who saw or heard or knew something earth shaking and  contradicting of the official WC Oswald acting alone, lone gunman line and the Jack Ruby just went whacky line keeping what they knew even from their closest family. For their personal safety protection as much as their own.

Beverly Oliver was only 16 in 1963!

I don't think Beverly Oliver stripped. I know she sang. She hung around the strip tease girls. Seemed to like that type of wild, naughty nightlife energy. Sexy music, turned on guys. Older men with money and even cops!

Maybe she got to drink beer.

Sitting with a much older and animal wild stripper reputation Jada herself!

More exciting than hanging with "boys" who couldn't even drive for sure.

She got to sing! With an audience! Next best thing to visiting Hollywood itself!

She looked older than she was. Big boned, kind of tall. Beautiful face though...and blond. Easy fun nature. Liked to smile and laugh...and again...sing.

I sense she made herself available to older men. To what degree I wouldn't know.

Beverly became religious in her later adult life. Good for her.

I've seen some video of her not too many years ago talking about her church ministry life and activities. She's still singing! She did a wonderful "Amazing Grace" rendition in this video.

I thought she was physically beautiful her whole life. I loved her big blond super extrovert happy energy. 

DVP, obviously you feel LHO did shoot at ( and hit and kill ) JFK at 12:30 PM on 11,22,1963.

You have no doubts at all about the final official WC LHO lone gunman story line?

That Oswald had absolutely no connection to others in his actions?

That 1.25 an hour earning LHO all on his own planned and successfully carried out a world shaking remarkable 7 inch wide moving target bullseye shooting feat that defeated an army of JFK security planning and protecting forces by simply doing the following:

Getting his cheap rifle out of Ruth Paine's garage and breaking it down and wrapping and taping it up in brown bag paper in a way that she ( and his wife Marina ) would be unaware because they were asleep in another room in her tiny home at that exact time.

Placing the now wrapped rifle in a spot where Ruth and Marina would not see it before hand, unless he finished wrapping it up at the very last coffee drinking second before he walked out the door to Buell Frazier's house.

He risked Frazier seeing the unusually long package on the back seat which he did.

Then upon arriving at the TXSBD Oswald again risks someone seeing him carry into the building something that looks unlike a lunch bag.

He immediately goes directly up to the 6th floor and finds some place to hide the rifle where no one could accidently come across it before he goes up at lunch time to build his book box walled in sniper's perch.

During that half hour perch building and gun reassembling time, he gets ready testing his site, aim, gun positioning and who knows what else.

Then after JFK's limo passes him and begins a downward incline driving farther away by the second, he sticks the barrel of his rifle out of the window and starts blasting away with ear blasting booms that can be heard by hundreds just below him and even more blocks away.

Oswald finally gets it right on his third shot and begins a 9 second 100 yard dash out and off of the floor ( tossing his rifle into some book stacks at the same time) races down 4 flights of stairs with not one fellow employee seeing him...walks into the 2nd floor lunch room to quench his thirst with a machine dropped can of Coke ( or Doctor Pepper which was my favorite) and calmly stands there sipping this even when big frantic DPD officer Marion L. Baker burst in and aims his big gun at him until Roy Truly tells Baker - ahh he ain't nobody.

Then it's on down to the building front lobby where Oswald guides future nationally known TV reporter Robert MacNeil to a pay phone...then out the door to a bus stop and soon there after a 95 cent cab ride ( Oswald generously told the taxi driver to keep the 5 cents change from a dollar bill ) home.

Just another day at work?

I agree that Oswald rushing into his room at mid work-day and arming himself and rushing out again with no logical reason or place to go looks guilty as hell. 

I believe someone knew in advance what Oswald was going to do that day.

And that they did things to allow it to happen.

No stationing of armed binocular equipped officers on larger downtown Dallas rooftops.

No placing of even one binocular and radio equipped officer per block on the ground scanning open higher floor windows while JFK was driving directly underneath them.

Not one officer placed between the TXSBD and railway overpass in the entire area behind the long grassy knoll stretch full of perfect fence and tree canopy hiding sniper shooting areas?

Not one security agency person thought about checking on FBI well known pro-Castro, Russia defecting Oswald and his work location right above JFK's slowing limo right during the motorcade?

And the violating of basic Presidential security motorcade protocols of no sharp angle, limo slowing turns like occurred twice in front of the TXSBD?

And the ease of which Jack Ruby was able to get a deadly shot into Oswald's gut right inside the DPD building?

No, nothing here folks.

Just a rage filled minimum wage book stacker who got lucky and made an incredible expert marksman level bulls eye shot with one of the cheapest rifles available and then amongst hundreds of frantic bee hive disturbed, trigger happy lawmen and scared bystanders simply walks through them to hop a bus and then catch a cab to go home and change.

Not one doubt DVP about all this happening without someone else's foreknowledge or assistance at all?

22 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:

Re: Marvin---I don't know what to make of his rationale behind that. Bottom line- Vanek debunked his claim and there is no evidence for it.

Like too much of the JFK event background story world.

Suspiciously strange.

I have not seen any Marvin discrediting pieces that even half-way factually explain his alleged made up story and his motive for putting it and himself out there for the entire world to see.

I wonder if Marvin's grand kids ( who he said meant everything to him ) now think he was not right mentally after reading reports that his TMWKK story was false and made up?

45 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

The FBI has had to issue terror alerts and warnings of violence against its employees.

Then the IRS.

Then ordinary election workers.

Now it's employees of the National Archives.

Librarians for  Christ's sake!

How long are we going to be held hostage by this Mafia gangster?

Steve Thomas

 

So true.

Under Trump...we have become a fearful nation.

Really, seriously ... we have.

Fearful of Trump's most blindly loyal followers committing violent acts against anybody their fearless leader tells them is a threat to him and them.

Trump seems to love his power to intimidate his critics with the January 6th Capital Building attack sending a powerful message to us all ... "mess with me baby, and I'll send my boys after ya."

Mafia Godfather speak.

Dear G** ... a nation in the grip of fear?

What a friggin nightmare!

Oliver Stone's 1993 film "JFK" and Nigel Turner's TMWKK series were the primary triggers of my later life obsession about the JFK event.

So many thoughts on the Turner pieces. 

Too many to share except in spurts if the thread stays in play.

Generally agree with your grading reviews of the individual episodes but with many differing takes as well.

But who am I to even comment on such?

Having no film/documentary education background at all.

And many of our most highly regarded JFK researchers here on the forum hate Turner's TMWKK effort.

They trash it's structure, content, overly dramatic music scoring, etc. Worse than no integrity.

However, for better or worse ... it's out there. 

It's been viewed by millions - educated, informed and not.

Obviously there is something compelling enough in it's presentation to draw in that many viewers. I believe the high emotion sharing of witnesses is a big part of this.

There is so much presented in TMWKK series ( much of which contradicts ) that it would be easy to dismiss the entire piece as simply too scattered.

Yet, imo...that is common sense illogical, unreasonable and even irresponsible.

Yes, there are 1,000 smoke cloud stories depicted and discussed.

Not all of them with real fire underneath.

However, enough are that they should be given their true truth value consideration.

The series gives us much background information about so many peripheral characters and their testimonials that we would have never even known about otherwise.

Heck, even Vince's work was given much more exposure from his inclusion in the series.

Will post more but wanted to get one nagging question out of the way here with my first response post.

Colonel Dan Marvin.

Was his highly emotional shared story a figment of a damaged and delusional mental illness imagination? Perhaps brought on by a serious case of PTSD or guilt over some of the brutal things he had to do in his military career duties?

If he made up his story, it was a doozie with many date and name details and his high emotion performance in sharing it was worthy of professional actor dramatic acting cudo's imo. 

What is the final assessment of Marvin? An emotionally broken person who creates false reality memories to cope with his trauma?

9 hours ago, Robbie Robertson said:

Lol my original thread turned into coast to coast I know what you mean

RR...Coast To Coast AM was one of the few nationally broadcast media venues that kept the JFK event as a fairly regular discussion matter and with guests such as David Talbot ( the author of your initial thread subject book ) I don't see this as anything close to off topic veering. 

Every year almost the entire week of 11/22 Coast to Coast went big time with the JFK assassination as the main topic of discussion.

That ended many years ago. 

20 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

The Trumptanic.

Perfect label.

The ship sinking iceberg is Trump's pathological ego.

The more Trump obsessively pushes his delusional "I am not a loser" false reality.

The more he looks like, sounds like and is...A LOSER!

His brain isn't capable of understanding this reality.

Years ago Coast To Coast Am radio talk show host Ian Punnett had David Talbot on regards his book "Brothers" which had just come out.

I was an avid listener back then.

I never called in to C2C but was so inspired by Talbot I sent a fairly lengthy e-mail to Punnett during one of the breaks. My first e-mail.

To my surprise Punnett read my entire e-mail on air minutes later.

Both he and Talbot commented favorably on it's main point contents.

Which were ones I have posted here from time to time.

Centered around the proposition that America was basically a much more corrupt nation and society than the average American ever contemplated. That this corruption, especially since WWII was one of our top 3,4 or 5 historical legacies during this time.

And how this corruption ( to a great degree ) brought about JFK's demise.

I quit listening to Coast To Coast AM a long time ago. I sensed it had been compromised by elements of the extreme right wing agenda.

To much Jerome Corsi, Alex Jones and even Roger Stone political view input for me.

I still feel this about that show.

I always felt that under Art Bell...the show was not as compromised.

12 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

 

Kennedy did not oversee one of the biggest defense build ups in history.

Not even close. The two biggest were under Reagan and Bush 2.  

Kennedy was endorsing Universal Health Care in 1963.  Manchin does not even like Obama care. 

And JFK was extremely friendly to unions.  One labor leader once said that they almost lived in the White House.  (Of course, the Teamsters would be an exception.)

Kennedy was a nationalist as anyone can see by studying his career.  Both for the USA and for the Third World. (He was writing about the Palestinians in 1939.)  And that is what separated him from the Cold War liberals and its what shocked everyone when he made that stunning Algeria speech in 1957.  He now became a hero throughout Africa.  Africans put his picture up on the walls of their domiciles.  When he wrote his long article  for Foreign Policy  in 1958, that essentially  defined a new approach to European colonialism and the Cold War. Under Eisenhower, the USA did not vote against Europe at the UN in these disputes, now the USA did.  In his three years, Kennedy hosted over 20 leaders from Africa, and he met some of them at the airport. Eisenhower met less than half that.  

So when you compare JFK with Manchin, please let me know how many native Africans have Manchin's photo up in their village homes.

Right on Jim Di.

Demographically and economically things were so different in the 1950's and early sixties.

We had poverty, yet we also had a huge and thriving middle class with the cost of basics including food, gas, rent, home prices, college, medical care etc. reasonable enough that middle class workers could afford these. The American dream was being realized.

Young people getting started and starting families had much to be hopeful about.

Unions were strong. At their peak. Many ( not all of course ) American workers were seeing benefits like never before.

10's of millions of good American jobs hadn't been shipped out to 3rd world countries so the owners/stock holders of these companies could make a cheap labor killing in profits they couldn't believe themselves.

We were a working class respecting and protecting nation.

I think most Americans were just happy to be working and being able to afford ( even with manual labor jobs ) not just the basics but American Dream extras.

The word and label "Liberal" hadn't yet been demonized by massive 24/7 right wing radio and Fox News propaganda and taken hold in the mainstream lexicon. 

The aggressive efforts of black Americans for more equal rights and benefits started in the late 50's and was steam rolling by the 60's.

This movement was polarizing no doubt with white America for the reasons we all know.

JFK was becoming the object of raging hate and anger by 10's of millions of Americans who felt threatened by the aggressive black movement and felt JFK was sympathetic to it.

Forward to 2,000 and beyond. 

The cost of living along with millions of lost benefited jobs, unchecked immigration with 50 million from Central America flooding in, extreme far right demagoguery taking hold of half our country, along with many other factors ( social correctness ) has totally polarized us.

So called Christian organizations with tens of millions of followers have accepted this new extreme far right wing ideology. Liberals/democrats are agents of the devil.

The Corona virus has stressed us to degrees beyond anything we ever imagined.

Where do we go from here?

4 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

Why would Oswald have lied about not bringing curtain rods to work when he would have known that surely the curtain rods would eventually be found in the TSBD, if he had in fact brought them into the building? 

If Oswald did bring curtain rods to work, why would he have denied this, given the evidence that suggests that his room in the rooming house did need a new curtain rod? (No, I don't believe the landlady's story that Dallas police officers bent the curtain rod when they searched his room after he was arrested. Why would they have done that? It makes no sense.)

Either way, unless Frazier and his sister had terrible eyesight and were horrible judges of length, the bag that Oswald was brought to work was far too small to have carried a disassembled Carcano. 

 

So Oswald said he didn't bring anything with him that morning except a paper bag lunch?

Would he have thrown this onto the back seat as he got in Frazier's car?

No curtain rods were ever found in the TXSBD building?

It's getting harder to deny both Frazier's basic accounts imo.

There was a brown paper wrapped object larger that a sack lunch put in the back seat of BF's car that morning.

16 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Mind blowing. Republican integrity.

We've owed $50,000 for years. Can barely just make the interest payments.

6 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

Laughable but disturbingly very close to reality!

Extremely disturbing.

In my original post I provided a link to Mark Shaw's talk to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco.

If you watch this Shaw speaking video I would imagine you would agree that he was quite engaging. Animated but not too so.

His reverence for Dorothy Kilgallen seemed sincere and I was impressed with how he successfully summarized her life and accomplishments to the full remarkable achievement and courageous integrity degree that they deserved.

His talk was not long. He kept it rather short. But it was packed with interesting facts and tid-bits that brought the DK story to life.

His audience was all older, retired folk. They seemed enthralled and alert and at the end like a swayed jury believing of his summation.

Shaw even had them chanting in unison with him "Justice for Dorothy Kilgallen" at the end of his presentation!

I have watched and listened to many JFK related event speakers over the years. Half just were not very good. After 45 minutes you would be fighting back yawns.

If any of them had given their talk to the Commonwealth Club instead of Shaw that day my guess is half the audience would have had their heads knocked back with jaws hanging open and eyes closed with loud snoring going on after 30 minutes.

Obviously Shaw got most of his information from the earlier article James Di. cites.

And he certainly doesn't give enough credit to the authors I admit.

The most compelling part of Shaw's presentation was the video taped interviews of Dorothy Kilgallen's 2 long time employed hair and make up guys.

Clearly DK was very close to them.

The first one was a great eyewitness.

He was "the first person" to come upon Dorothy after her death. He got a long and close up look at her and the entire death scene.

What he described told it all imo.

And those two fellows didn't have some nefarious and self-enriching reasons to share what they were told by DK and what they saw when she was found dead.

Their interview statements were convincingly credible imo.

How the NYPD could let DK's death case go uninvestigated after talking to these two guys (one a first on the scene eyewitness! ) smacks of the darkest motive suspicion.

Look, I think all of us know and believe DK was murdered.

The injustice of no justice for Dorothy Kilgallen is made more profound in the total 57 year long apathy of America to her remarkable achievement life and her JFK/Jack Ruby investigation related murder ... imo anyways.

And Melvin Belli sure does sound like he was mobbed up back then , no?

5 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

I think the Church Committee got too close to what Oswald was really up to in New Orleans, and went outside the scope of their mission of examining the performance of the intelligence agencies in the assassination investigation - and got stomped out by the Executive Branch, or something along those lines. 

Agree.

21 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

A fourth-grade teacher asked the children what their parents do for a living. All the typical answers came up - mechanic, business, sales, doctor, engineer... and so forth.

However, little Justin was being uncharacteristically quiet, so when the teacher prodded him about his parents, he replied, "My father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes to music in front of other men and they put money in his underwear. Sometimes, if the offer is really good, he will go home with some guy and stay with him all night for money."

The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the other children to work on some exercises and took little Justin aside. "Is that really true about your father?"

"No," the boy said, "He works for the Republican Party and is trying to get Rubio and DeSantis re-elected, but it's too embarrassing to say that in front of the other kids.

Ha!

1 hour ago, Sean Coleman said:

There’s bound to be two camps for him, one who believes him and one who regard him as a teller of tall tales…..

Me, I believe him.

Good XXXXX are almost always quick, sharp and clever. And pathologically bent.

IMO Frazier was not sophisticated enough or pathological enough to be a good and consistent xxxx.

Frazier's oft told tale of Captain Will Fritz ordering him to sign a document that Frazier worried might implicate him, and Fritz's red faced rage when he refused including raising his hand or fist to strike Frazier and Frazier's warning statement back to Fritz...that if Fritz tried to hit him " we's gonna have one hell of a fight!" endeared me to Frazier.

That took guts!

And Fritz backed down!

Many have labeled Frazier as a slow witted country bumpkin.

Regardless, I think he had more integrity than many so-called highfalutin' educated folk.