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3 hours ago, Dave Chrisman said:

Thank you Vince Palamara for making these available on your channel.

Exactly...thank you Vince. The lower video says it all.

My goodness...the misinformation regards the provenance of the pristine bullet is incredible.

15 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

The answer is "Yes" to both of your questions. Same bullet. It lodged only temporarily in Connally's thigh, then fell out onto the stretcher where it was recovered by Darrell C. Tomlinson in a corridor at Parkland. But that bullet (CE399) wasn't really "pristine" at all. It's been flattened on one side and the base of the bullet is damaged (i.e., oozing lead). So the "pristine" description of CE399 is a complete myth.

Dr. Robert Shaw (Chief Of Thoracic Surgery) at Parkland never stated that the bullet that went into Connally's thigh fell out and was found on a stretcher in his national news interview on 11,22,1963.

I would think he would have mentioned that the thigh bullet dislodged itself so they didn't have to remove it.

What happened to the bullet found on the stretcher?

Versus the bullet that was removed from Connally's thigh?

Can't wait!

Wait a minute.

Is the "pristine" bullet the one found on a stretcher at Parkland?

Or is it the one that lodged in Governor John Connally's left thigh?

Excuse my ignorance on this subject.

HelmerReenberg

1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:

I don't understand what "insulting an audience", intentional or not, has to do with solving a cold case murder investigation.

The perceived politics of the victim, John Kennedy, are certainly relevant. Rabid anti-communists and proto-fascists of the period were persuaded President Kennedy was soft on communism. In fact, the Ellen Rometsch Affair was a set up, the final straw, to convince those on the fence that his murder was not simply justified, but an imperative for the survival of "our nation."  

Agree.

3 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

When visitors peruse this forum, what do we suppose many of them are going to think when they see the JFK case associated with UFOs and when they read that some CIA guy said that JFK was killed because of the "alien question"?

Just thinking out loud here.

 

I personally think the forum can handle "one" thread among hundreds of others more JFK research and debate focused ( more than that might be an integrity problem ) that goes a little outside the basic and traditional JFK Research, Debate and Educational forum content format.

If someone doesn't want to see postings like this...just ignore the "unacknowledged" thread?

However, keep in mind that JFK himself was interested in the UFO subject and probably knew way more about it than any of us could even imagine.

Whether there were only three armed with "traditionally acknowledged deadly

weapons" is meaningless in trying to downplay the attack.

One man with one traditionally deadly weapon alone could have killed many people.

However the dozens and even hundreds of the attackers grabbing officer's shields , their sprays and/or fencing and beating the police with these impromptu "weapons" is not considered dangerously armed?

Sticks with protest signs were also used as weapons too. 

Was pepper or bear spray found as well? Hand ties?

Your own body parts, arms, fists, legs and kicking feet were used and are are very deadly weapons as well.

In all these physical ways the mob was hugely armed.

And when you see a horde of thousands descending upon you with rage in their faces and screaming threats like "Hang Mike Pence" "Get Nancy Pelosi" 

and then you are actually physically attacked by this crazy angry Trump slogan shouting mob...

tell the injured police and life and death fearing traumatized members of our full Congress trapped inside the Capital building for 3+ hours that ...oh the attack wasn't that bad...only three of these raging, screaming threatening mad with Trump inspired hate mob were armed...so why all the fuss and crying about it?

Can't we just let this worst most violent attack on our Congress and highest democracy symbolic U.S. Government building go?

And Trump as well for watching the violent attack with glee for 3+ hours and not doing anything to stop this trauma to our entire Congress the entire time ...by his people?

And then the vomit inducing press statement just after where he called his Trump supporters mob ... "You are very special people. We feel your pain" "We love you"  ???

Crazy cowardly stupid down players.

11 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

10 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

A large clump of people were herded from the Capitol and arrested on the Capital lawns.  Of that large number (I think about 600), two were armed, including the aforementioned Christopher Alberts. No discarded firearms were found.

Another 300 1/6'ers or so have been arrested since, and one has been charged with being armed that day. 

We can say without equivocation, that at least three 1/6'ers rioters were armed. 

Whether there were only three armed with "traditionally acknowledged deadly

weapons" is meaningless in trying to downplay the attack.

One man with one traditionally deadly weapon alone could have killed many people.

And with dozens and even hundreds of the attackers grabbing officer's shields , their sprays and/or fencing and beating the police with these impromptu "weapons" is not considered dangerously armed?

Sticks with protest signs were also used as weapons too. 

Was pepper or bear spray found as well? Hand ties?

Your own body parts, arms, fists, legs and kicking feet are potentially very deadly weapons.

In all these physical ways the mob was hugely armed.

And when you see a horde of thousands descending upon you with rage in their faces and screaming threats like "Hang Mike Pence" "Get Nancy Pelosi" you

and then you are actually physically attacked by this crazy angry Trump slogan shouting mob... tell the injured police and life and death fearing traumatized members of our full Congress trapped inside the Capital building for 3+ hours that ...oh the attack wasn't that bad...only three of these raging, screaming threatening mad with Trump inspired hate mob were armed...so why all the fuss and crying about it?

Can't we just let this worst most violent attack on our Congress and highest democracy symbolic U.S. Government building go?

And Trump as well for watching the violent attack with glee for 3+ hours and not doing anything to stop this trauma to our entire Congress the entire time ...by his people?

And then the vomit inducing press statement just after where he called his Trump supporters mob ... "You are very special people. We feel your pain" "We love you"  ???

CRAZY!

 

The huge majority of our national security and police agency people are pro-Trump. They will do what they can to obstruct investigations into their fearless leader. Everybody knows this truth.

I am certain that many of the Capital police themselves on Jan 6th were pro-Trumpers.

"If the average person knew HALF of what is really going on in the world, they'd go into their backyards and kill themselves."

12th hand related quote by a security agency person that was shared with me by a friend.

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Just now, Joe Bauer said:

The huge majority of our national security and police agency people are pro-Trump. They will do what they can to obstruct investigations into their fearless leader. Everybody knows this truth.

I am certain that many of the Capital police themselves on Jan 6th were pro-Trumpers.

Just now, Matt Allison said:

Well, well, well... what do we have here?

 

The huge majority of our national security and police agency people are pro-Trump. They will do what they can to obstruct investigations into their fearless leader. Everybody knows this truth.

I am certain that many of the Capital police themselves on Jan 6th were pro-Trumpers.

I wonder whether Trump's kids are having any anxiety and feelings of guilt or embarrassment regards all the charges against their father?

I mean it's every day for a year that their dad is immersed and reported on in the most major news media in a constant expose of the most serious criminal and constitution violating charges.

Their Dad is literally a walking lightning rod of constant unprecedented negative and nation dividing chaos and angst.

You'd think his children ( especially his daughter Ivanka who seems to be more rationally less blindly loyal to her father and more sensitive to her national image ) would eventually be tired of their father's never ending anger inciting rants and behavior.

10 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

 

Oh boy.

 

Anyway...

 

The bullet (CE-399) leaves the muzzle of the Carcano traveling around 2100 feet per second.

The bullet, traveling roughly 1700 feet per second, strikes Kennedy in the upper back and exits the neck.

The bullet, now slowed having passed through Kennedy's neck, hits Connally in the back, causing an 8mm x 15mm elliptical wound. This wound measurement proves that the bullet was tumbling when it hit Connally's back, proof that the bullet had passed through something else BEFORE hitting Connally in the back.

The bullet, now traveling at around 1300 to 1400 feet per second, strikes Connally's fifth rib, completely shattering it. Damage to the bullet was minimal due to the fact that it was not traveling anywhere near full speed when it struck the rib.

The bullet exits Connally's chest and while traveling less than half(?) of it's original rate of speed, enters the right wrist, striking the radius bone. Again, damage to the bullet is minimal because of it's slow rate of speed when it struck the radius.

Basically, the bullet was traveling fast enough to cause damage to bones, but not fast enough to be damaged by impact with the bones. Every traveling bullet has a threshold where it is moving fast enough to destroy but not fast enough to be destroyed. Because it first passed through Kennedy, this bullet was within that threshold when it struck Connally's rib.

The bullet exits the palm side of the wrist and while traveling at less than one-fifth of it's original speed, enters the left thigh and embedding itself in the thigh muscles. The bullet didn't go any further because it was not traveling fast enough upon striking the thigh.

The bottom line is that damage to the bullet was minimal because, when it struck rib bone and radius bone, it simply had been slowed considerably, moving too slowly to be damaged. The bullet would have been greatly fragmented (basically destroyed), if when it struck the radius bone in Connally's right wrist, it was traveling at the same rate of speed as it was when it struck Kennedy in the upper back.

 

 

Would love to read another take on these pristine bullet velocity dynamics stated by Mr. BB and whether they are credibly sound scientifically.

If Oswald killed JFK to make a name for himself, or to impress Castro and the Cubans the question is still ...why proclaim his innocence? Why proclaim "I am just a patsy?"

He's sabotaging his goal of wanting to make a name for himself with the former statement to the world press, and the personal glory he was seeking from Cuba with the latter imo.

Oswald was not just a stupid unconnected lone nut.

To me the proof of his true larger picture connections to nefarious others was his killing less that 48 hours after JFK's.

Ruby's easy access into the DPD basement with 70 armed men there at the perfect time and at the perfect body close location to Oswald was so preposterous it screams a conspiracy within the DPD to get Oswald before they lost custody of him to the County authorities.

Oswald had to die.  And quickly.

For incredibly more important reasons than Ruby needing to prove Jews had guts and Jackie Kennedy had to be saved from an Oswald trial.

Oswald had to die and in just hours after his arrest because he "was not just a minimum wage warehouse worker lone nut" who defeated an army of armed security protecting JFK all by himself with the cheapest old WW II rifle and scope available, and then simply walked through a horde of highest anxiety police forces to a city bus stop, and when traffic stalls he catches a cab home, and actually tipped the cab driver a nickel ( fare was 95 cents and Oswald told the driver to keep the change from a dollar bill ) while doing so.

I think generally, it's that simple to understand.

True.

3 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

The JFK screenplay, even before the movie came out, was extremely controversial, because it mixed history with created characters and took artistic liberty.  Harold Weisberg, for one, was really unhappy with it.  

But as long as we view the film as Stone's vision, it works.  And to this day, I think the first half of JFK is the most riveting footage I have ever seen.

 

My wife and I went to see "JFK" in our local theater as soon as it arrived.

The line to get in was huge. There wasn't an open seat by the beginning of the film.

The average age of the audience was right about mine (42) with a mix of younger and older as well.

Pamela, you are so right-on regards the film's first half being riveting.

I've been to over 1,000 theater films in my life.

The entire audience was riveted like I have never seen before.

From the very beginning the tight and building louder and louder military drum rolls accompanying the ominous black and white real-life flash-back film footage scenes of a smiling JFK and Jackie in the limo waving at the crowds while approaching and then arriving at Dealey Plaza and turning down Elm Street to meet their horrific fate had you gripping your seat arm rests sensing the brutal nightmare that was about to happen ...

then  BOOM!

When the JFK head shot rang out there was an audible gasp/cry through out the audience.

Most older Americans ( alive and witness to the events of 11/22/1963 and 11/24/1963 ) had been holding in a deep, disturbing and uncomfortable feeling of doubt and suspicion about the JFK/Oswald murders for 28 years.

Stone's film allowed them to revisit those long held feelings in an incredibly powerful film creation way.

6 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Doug, I think we are all mistakenly over estimating and taking for granted that millions of women in this country who may not have voted previously or voted for Donald Trump previously will automatically go to the polls this next November to send a fighting back message to the Trump/Desantis led Republicans and their extreme right wing women's rights stripping rigged SCOTUS.

Remember, this is an "off year" election.

There is ALWAYS a huge drop off in the number of American citizens voting in an off year election. National news coverage of these is nothing compared to presidential elections.

Presidential election primary and final candidate debates get massive media coverage and in turn this works up tens of millions of voters more to vote than off year elections.

I sense that even though millions of American women are upset with the overturn of Roe Vs Wade...it will still not be enough to get them to vote in numbers significant enough to stop the Trump resurrection wave.

Trump voters are fanatical!  Progressive women's rights advocates are much less so imo.

I don't think my personally contacting the National Democratic Party headquarters and passionately recommending they take much more aggressive steps to try to get millions of women's rights advocates out to vote this November would make it past the first mail receiving clerk's trash can ...but if I could get through this is what I would recommend.

In the next 7 weeks, do everything you can to restart large city demonstrations inspiring women of all ages in the country to get out and vote this November...and vote against all Republicans.

A vote for any Republican is a vote supporting the overturning of Roe Vs. Wade.

A vote for every Democrat is a vote supporting women's right to choose.

The message is that simple!

Ask as many women's rights defending American women who have financial means to immediately pitch in as much money as they can to help fund these massive demonstrations. Have one every weekend until the election. The power of that kind of mass media coverage could be the key.

The national media will have to cover these weekly or even daily demonstrations if they are large enough. It will take that kind of massive everyday urgency message media coverage to get into the hearts and minds of like-minded women who otherwise won't vote out of habit.

And here's a great idea. Again if funding can be found.

Quickly organize and have one or two "nationally televised" heavily star studded "WOMENS RIGHTS" defending and benefitting telethon gala shows.

Make them super grand crusade theater affairs.

Music, performances, passionate inspiring speeches, fun entertainment, touching vows of courage. Imploring every women's rights concerned women and girls who can vote this November to do so.

Get the absolute biggest stars to appear. Male as well as women.

All our top stars in theater, music, sports, journalism, literature, government, religion, education, business, you name it.

If you can get Dolly Parton, Taylor Swift, Reese Witherspoon, Kate Blanchett, Beyonce, Rachel Ray, Giada De Laurentiis, Oprah, Meghan McCain, Marisa Hargitay, Amy Poehler, Tina Fey, Amy Shumer, Sarah Silverman, Stormy Daniels, Denise Richards, Caitlyn Jenner, and hundreds of other American female role models ... all passionately asking for every able bodied women's rights concerned woman to vote...I really believe millions more than normal would.

It's going to take something unprecedented like this to make a SCOTUS backlash movement with American women voters a successful reality.

Otherwise, I sense and fear this talk of such a backlash vote effort is over estimated and not going to become a reality.

53 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Long but richly rewarding

 

Former federal prosecutor: A "day of reckoning" is coming for Trump — but he's not going to jail (msn.com)

Doug I just read the entire interview transcript.

Yes, I hope at least a few other members do too.

It is incredibly full of the most important truths regards the many, many crimes Trump has committed against all of us and our constitution.

However, it's very depressing to read the interviewee's prediction that Trump will cop a plea deal and just pay some fines and simply walk away. 

All this massive time, work and money spent building a strong probable case of criminality on Trump's part ..and even if found guilty, he will walk.

In my thinking however, Trump's inciting the violent mob attack on our Capital building filled with our entire Congress, their aides and hundreds of life and death struggling Capital police on Jan 6th, 2021 and then allowing it to go on by purposely withholding begged for reinforcements and begged for calls to his mob to stop and go home ( for 3+ hours! ) is much, much more worthy of criminal indictment than the Mar-A- Lago affair.

This purposeful non-action to stop the attack on Trump's part resulted in serious injury and even death as well as deep fear trauma to those around and inside the Capital building and serious building damage as well.

Dozens of serious injuries ( including later suicides from the life and death fear trauma ) to that besieged police force could have been prevented if only Trump would have carried out his constitutional oath duties of defending and protecting the constitution which clearly meant protecting our entire Congress and most sacred Capital buildings from violent attack!

To me, Trump's purposeful withholding of help to quell and stop his violent rampaging supporter mob attack on our Congress and our Capital building for 3+ hours is much more a serious crime than any others being currently laid at his doorstep.

In my opinion...it is the ultimate crime for a POTUS. Worse than any in our entire history.

That of allowing a huge violent mob 3+ hours to have a chance to overturn a constitutional law abiding election and initiate a coup.

And maybe even a chance to get at and physically accost or hurt his own Vice President Pence and our Speaker Of The House Nancy Pelosi !

In the least, Trumps' purposeful non-protecting action against his own Congress traumatized everyone in and around that Capital building with truly life and death sensing fear.

Imagine armed and screaming bank robbers holding an entire bank full of employees and customers hostage for 3 + hours. Screaming "Hang The Bank Manager" or let's find the head bank clerk as well! Beating up the security guards the whole time.

Those terrified, terrorized hostages would have serious PTSD flashbacks, nightmares and panic/anxiety attacks about that life and death fear experience the rest of their lives!

You know this analogy is exactly fitting of the Jan 6th Capital building siege attack.

It was no less terrifying that that analogous bank hostage taking example.

If Trump walks away from "any" serious consequences for the allowed Jan.6th assault on our Congress and constitutional election certification ...

We will have lost our Constitutional framed Democracy altogether.

If we don't defend our constitution and it's sacred Democracy protective governmental framework right now with every fiber of our truth and justice beings and hold accountable those that allowed and carried out this unprecedented attack against it like the Jan. 6th one...God Help Us.

Hope you have a great tour.

Can't wait to read your personal summary of such.

And what if any new view changing thoughts you may have that were inspired by what you see there.

And what a perfect sentimentally touching name for one of our members!

Like someone on a Nixon themed historical forum named Richard Nixon Black!

On 9/17/2022 at 12:34 PM, Vince Palamara said:

Drew Pearson was huge in those days. Read by tens of millions.

Just 8 days after JFK's murder and then Oswald's murder right inside the Dallas PD building basement, a very upset and suspicious national columnist Drew Pearson angrily asked the same exact main concern questions we are still asking today!

Agents in JFK's closest Dallas motorcade security going to bikini clad waitress clubs until 3: am  ( or even 1 or 2 ) in the morning...just hours before they were to assume their highest alert required duties in a JFK vulnerable open topped limo drive through perhaps the most extreme JFK hating city in the nation with many unchecked multi-story buildings along the way?

The missing of Lee Oswald as a potential security threat?

And in this article above we see Pearson make this shocking statement to his millions of American readers ... that Dallas was "one of the most lawless and intolerant cities in the United States!" Wow!  That powerful sweeping charge and condemnation of a major American city was something in those days! 

Americans today don't realize that Pearson's extremely negative view of Dallas was one that was widely and mutually felt all across most of the country in 1963. And include it's reputation as one of the most extreme level KKK type racist cities in America as well. 

Ruby attorney Melvin Belli once described Dallas in those days as a den of crazies. Home to the most extreme far right political factions ( hating JFK and RFK ) in America.

Pearson also just "rips" the Dallas PD for their negligence in not preventing this sleazy strip-tease night club operator ( Jack Ruby ) with an arrest record for assault from gaining access into their basement right when Oswald is led right to him enabling Ruby to blast away mere inches from Oswald's guts.

It was absolutely proven that much of the Secret Service under JFK were not strongly sympathetic to the black equal rights seeking movement cause.

Their treatment of the first SS black man assigned to JFK  ( Abraham Bolden ) was at times blatantly atrocious. Racial slurs to his face that were shockingly crude and insulting.

No mention, outrage or condemnation of their treatment of Bolden back in those days in that meeting of former SS members?

Wild Bill Harvey's widow was interviewed in her late years ( I have recently re-posted it here on the forum ) and she affirmed what the four former SS agents stated about JFK's wild sex life as president.

She stated that her husband Bill Harvey ( CIA station chief in Rome ) was tasked with JFK's security while he ( JFK ) was visiting there. She claimed her husband told her JFK would have 2 Italian beauties at a time brought to his Rome hotel room.

Ms. Harvey ( a former agent herself I think ) labelled JFK, Jackie and RFK ( "the whole bunch") as "SCUM!"

Didn't one of Hillary Clintons SS guards write a book trashing her personal behavior while she and her husband were in the White House?

Was this former agent condemned for doing what the four former agents did about JFK?

And this Hillary bashing agent got paid to do this in his own book...which is worse then the 4 agents who got no monies?

I think it's reasonable to believe the all white male SS in the days of Eisenhower and JFK were representative of most law enforcement agencies in America. Typically more racist than not.

And typically resentful of JFK's seemingly more empathetic tolerance and feeling towards black Americans.

I don't think this attitude regards race in the SS meant nothing at all in their personal feelings toward JFK. It's human nature that some hated JFK for this reason.

And I've always stated that Clint Hill was personally in love with Jackie Kennedy imo.

In an interview with the well known blogger Patrick Bet-David (regards Hill's book "Mrs. Kennedy And Me. An Intimate Memoir") Patrick Bet-David starts off the interview by stating bluntly to Hill right to his face ... From reading your book, it sounds as if you were personally "in love with Jackie Kennedy."

Hill nervously blinks, and weakly deflects Bet-David's shocking comment.

JFK's secretary Evelyn Lincoln was right. She had a bad feeling about JFK going to Texas and especially that scary city Dallas, Texas.

Talk about a "Devil's Den" of JFK hatred.

Not the blacks and many average other folks including whites.

But the super rich that owned Texas and Dallas at that time as well as those who hated JFK for his stand on race and the JBS and Minute Men General Walker types that felt JFK was selling us out to the commies!

Every three or higher floor building along the motorcade route, their open windows and roofs should have been checked and surveilled knowing what an extreme threat city JFK was driven through with an open top limo. He was a sitting duck in a pond of duck hunter predators.

3 hours ago, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

*hiding the rifle is consistent with the alledged Walker shooting, if that happened it's also very well possible he did it again

Hiding his rifle after his Walker miss allowed Oswald to run to and board a bus home without the possibility of a witness ( bus driver or passenger) reporting to the police they saw a rider board their bus right after the Walker shooting with a rifle or long case that may have looked like a gun carrying one or even his traditional semi-long window blinds paper bag.

Oswald planned that rifle burying thoughtfully enough and far enough from the scene he was actually able to retrieve it later.

Another question, did Oswald carry the rifle back to his home via another bus ride?

Did he have a carrying case for this? Or did he use his infamous paper bag type wrap around a broken down rifle?

Or, did someone give Oswald a ride home with his dug up rifle?

The thing about Oswald that is so discombobulating is his almost child-like stupid missteps and blunders in so many of his extreme activity adventures.

He puts a Guy Bannister building address on his New Orleans FPPC flyers?

He gets into a slapping and pushing fight while doing his flyers in the heart of downtown New Orleans in busy broad daylight that was so crowd visible he and his bitch slapping opponent are arrested and thrown in jail for brawling in public?

He promotes his FFPC chapter publicly knowing anyone could see it was a chapter of one operating out of a lone P.O. Box.

He pressures Marina into helping him conjure up his crazy and amateurly done Alex Hidell ID papers.

He takes backyard pictures of himself with a rifle and revolver and Commie newspapers and makes copies, which he had to have known would be such an incriminating bit of evidence against him in future nefarious activities if found, it was crazy.

He takes totally traceable public transportation to Mexico City with Visa app on record, goes to Embassy's he knows are filming him and taping his conversations which he knows will all be recorded and sent immediately to his dreaded FBI back home.

The Walker shooting was actually planned!

Photo's, maps, bus times and routes, distance and time coordinating...and still the whole caper failed miserably.

His escape plan after shooting the President of the USA ( twice) in broad daylight in front of hundreds of bystanders is to simply toss his rifle, run down some stairs, stop in a lunch room to quench his nervous dry mouth thirst, then walk out the front door and a few blocks to catch a bus, then a cab back to his $8 a week room, change into a jacket, pack a gun and start walking off to nowhere that made sense.

Oswald wanted to hijack a plane with Marina's help to fly to Cuba?

This is a mentally deranged person.

Yet, to his police interrogators on 11,22,1963 he comes across to them as the most cool and collected suspect?

The world travelled, sophisticate George DeMohrenchildts was able to have a few conversations with Oswald which reportedly didn't leave him thinking Oswald was a complete idiot.

Marina Oswald must have known deep inside that her husband Lee was extremely mentally disturbed, no?

Yet, this mistake after mistake making guy was able to defeat an army of JFK security... and walk away right through the crush of frantic police and off to catch a taxi home?

Oswald was a multi-sided enigma for sure.

Crazy stupid blundering idiot at times. Ever reading, self-Russian language taught and Russian opera loving guy at times. Doting loving father at times. Brooding morose company at times. World traveling adventurer at times.

One of the most confusing and self-contradicting characters in an epic historical stage play event one could imagine or conjure up.