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There are so many aspects of the Lee Oswald story that are motive and agenda contrary to degrees that twist your gut sense of logic into knots trying to figure them and the man himself out.

The Walker shooting is just another of these.

Kennedy and Walker were polar opposites in every way.

And I always have to remind myself that Oswald was "just 24 years old" when Jack Ruby sauntered into the DPD building basement and blew his guts out.

24 - that is so young I was still trying to figure out what to do with my life at that age.

Yet, in Oswald's short life he participated in so many logic contrary activities and actions you can't help but to conclude there must be more to them than just one spontaneous impulsive crazy urge thought after another after another.

From reading Marina Oswald's WC testimony Lee sounds as if he lost his rational mind somewhere during their constantly moving, struggling and job loss Texas residing odyssey culminating with their move to their cockroach infested ( visiting Ruth Paine's description ) apartment in New Orleans. 

Lee plans and carries out the Walker shooting. He wanted to take his handgun to a Nixon appearance which so worried Marina she ended up wrestling Lee into a bathroom and locking the door to keep him from anymore crazy risky shenanigans.

Lee wants Marina to help him hijack a plane to Cuba. Lee has Marina take backyard pictures of himself that are so illogically incriminating in case of violent future activities they are whacko.

Lee is seen by Sylvia Odio and her sister with two other suspicious characters right on her front door stair landing. Lee is reportedly seen in Clinton Louisiana by a dozen eyewitnesses there. Trying to get a job at the state hospital there?

Lee takes a trip to Mexico City which his passport verifies. At a time when his late stage pregnancy with infant daughter wife can use all the extra financial help she can get to not be so dependent on Ruth Paine?

This crazy activity Lee Oswald story would have Sherlock Holmes in an opium delirium twist it's so illogically contrary beyond his normal deduction methods study.

What I find even more suspiciously intriguing are George DeMohrenchidst's actions and words when he and his wife Jeanne came to visit Lee and Marina at their apartment soon after the Walker shooting incident.

Once the rifle is spotted in the closet...George DM reportedly joked to Lee about Lee taking a pot shot at Walker.

The fact that GM instantly had that thought in mind opens up a world of questions about what GM knew about Lee and his possible involvement in the Walker shooting.

One could imagine the conversation between GM and his wife Jeanne in the car ride back home after their visit with Lee and Marina that night.

Jeanne to George...what was that pot shot joke to Lee about the Walker shooting as soon as we saw the rifle in the closet?

What inspired you to say such a thing?

What the hell kind of things do you and that maniac talk about when you visit?

Look, we've got to get and stay away from that maniac Lee even if it hurts Marina.

Let's get packing for Haiti as soon as we can. Weve got to be in a sane and safe place far away in case that kook tries anymore crazy things!

26 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

I agree. I expect the DoJ to file an appeal with the Eleventh Circuit and to totally demolish Federal Judge Cannon as a fair jurist and her fatally flawed court order. How can she enjoin the DoJ from conducting a criminal investigation centering around a threat to our national security in Trump's theft of the government documents? 

Legal experts are saying that the DoJ has enough evidence right now to indict Trump on the issue of the misuse of classified documents. In its essence it is a simple criminal case. 

Trump has been a Russian agent since 1987 when he made his first trip to the Soviet Union. Upon his return to the U.S., he announced he was running for President, but nobody paid any attention to this

Wow!

14 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said:

Check off the boxes.

Trump exhibits none of these traits...correct?

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Bernie also won our 2016 Democratic Party Caucus here in Colorado, winning 60% of the vote to Hillary's 40%.

That said, voting for Hillary in November of 2016 was a no brainer, and Hillary won Colorado in November of 2016.

I'm still amazed that even now, six years later, so many Americans still haven't realized that Trump is a sociopath.

 

It's crazy.

Yet, it's reality!

I think I remember an interview of either Paul O'Conner or James Jenkins where one of them recounted being asked by one of the doctors to tell someone in the gallery to put out a cigar?

That perhaps the smoke smell from this was negatively effecting them?

12 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

I get Trump solicitations constantly by email. They have me confused with someone else. Here is the latest, which you may find interesting:

 

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Shameless begging!

A billionaire asking the little people to pay his bills!

Yet, the little people willingly send their hard earned or fixed income dollars.

Trump etal. just chuckle and say...if they're so stupid to keep sending me their money...I gotta keep milking em.

7 hours ago, David Lifton said:

The source for this allegation is Paul K. O'Connor.  I first interviewed PKO in Aug 1979.  In that original interview, he mentioned nothing about Curtis LeMay being at the autopsy.   As I recall, that claim wasn't first made until he became a fixture on the lecture circuit -- i.e., was invited to speak at Lancer.  Only then did he modify his account to include the assertion that LeMay attended the autopsy.  Based on my original telephone interview with O'Connor (Aug 1979), plus my filmed interview with him (a few months later), I would not give any credence to this claim. 

One other thing: It is highly unlikely that LeMay attended the autopsy for still another reason:  LeMay's  presence surely would have been noted in the FBI report written by SA's James Sibert & Francis O'Neill, who kept a list of who attended the autopsy.

Regarding LeMay's possible foreknowledge. Like you, "I don't know."  DSL

Did Paul O'Conner or anyone else at the autopsy mention someone smoking a cigar... or even cigar smoke?

If there was corroborating testimony of this...one might guess that LeMay may have been at the autopsy as he was known for smoking cigars, correct?

You would think with so many people in an around the presidential limo for weeks before, and during and after 11,22,1963 that someone would have seen and reported the inner upper windshield frame damage. It is very noticeable.

The picture I posted clearly shows this.

I've done some research on the chain of command regards the limo Ferguson etal.

Someone said they thought it happened in a body shop on New York or New Jersey but a year or two before.

Do you really think JFK's primary travel limo personnel, maintenance, cleaning, shipping, unloading, driving, checking etc.

Would have never noticed that big ugly raised metal dent and/or let it go unreported or unfixed for that long?

Again, common sense.

48 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

 

If you can tell all of that just by looking at that photo, then you're a better man than I.

 

Maybe I'm wrong!

Each person has to judge for themselves whether my observation propositions have any merit.

If you do not see what I see regards the physical aspects of the indentation I propose, would love to hear your own.

99.9 % of persons interested in the indentation will never be able to prove anything about it scientifically.

The hole and dent sure look to me like whatever created it came in from an angle behind the right side sun visor. Not the left.

If anything an entrance angle "center right."

And JFK was not behind the right side sun visor. Even center right.

His head and upper body were clearly farther left than that.

I just watched a slow motion, zoomed in version of the Zapruder film again over and over 15 times.

I wanted to see how far left Jackie Kennedy had pulled JFK toward here. His head was inches away from her face when the head shot occurred. And she herself did not move her body away from the far left portion of the back seat she was positioned in throughout the limo drive through Dealey Plaza.

Again, just my common sense observations here.

If you disagree regards my dent observation statements, please tell me why?

On 9/3/2022 at 12:21 PM, Bill Brown said:

 

Where can I get a look at your work proving that whatever caused the dent "came from an angle further right than anything hitting JFK's skull" and that it "came in higher than JFK's skull and not from an upward angle as it would have if it was a bullet fragment from the head wound"?

 

JFK's head shot occurred after Jackie pulled him close to her. JFK's upper body and head were then in the left center of the rear seat area.

Look at the indentation in the upper windshield frame above.

Look at it's entrance angle.

It clearly comes in from behind "the right side" window sun visor.

JFK and Jackie were both sitting behind the left side visor.

What ever made that three inch wide and 1 inch deep dent came in from an angle farther right of JFK's skull.

And notice also that the indentation location is much higher than JFK's slumping down head height. And yet, it doesn't have an upward slant entrance angle as it would if the projectile that caused it came from JFK's lower height skull 5 feet behind.

And notice also the raised metal around the indentation.

The frame was made of steel!

What ever hit the upper windshield frame with enough force to push up steel like that and that much of it had to have at least the force of a bullet.

Hitting that frame with a ball peen hammer as forcefully as anyone could may not have done as much damage.

This is all unscientific speculation on my part I admit.

All I can stand on is common sense when looking at this clear picture of the indentation itself.

Please, share your thoughts regarding the dent and your speculations as to it's form, provenance and angle of entrance.

The interview reveals the hatred Harvey and his wife had for the Kennedy's.

Especially RFK. 

Imagine referring to Mafioso Johnny Roselli as a real "patriot" and at the same time calling the President of the U.S. and his wife and brother..."real scum" ?

Clearly tells you where the Harvey's deepest loyalty lied.

From the "scum" statement one has to assume Harvey and his wife didn't shed a tear when JFK was killed. And RFK especially.

Amazing that after 40 years Harvey's wife's animosity toward the "scum" Kennedys never softened.  Their brutal slaughters and the tragic loss trauma suffered by Jackie Kennedy and even Ethel never touched the woman.

You'd think she ( a wife and mother herself ) might have had at least "some" empathy for the tragically traumatized and widowed Jackie Kennedy, especially after 40 years.

2 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

I spoke with Anna Lewis when I was involved with Judyth's camp. By the time I talked with her, she had been pretty much threatened into silence.  She supported Judyth's statement that she had seen Judyth and Lee at Mancini's, the restaurant where she worked. But she said it in a rote manner.  

I did not know what to think.

The mystery continues.

From what I have recently read and wasn't well read enough to know earlier, JVB was extremely lonely in New Orleans. Her husband had basically abandoned her by willfully asking for and being given an employment position out to sea and away from JVB for months.

Don't they call such actions on the part of one spouse toward another "alienation of affection?"

Judy V. was young, healthy, lonely and alone in a big city, seeking friendship, companionship and even intimacy.

I could easily see her jumping into the arms of another young man who she described upon first meeting as so clean cut, polite and interesting in his shared liking of Russian language, music etc.  A young man not bad looking by her standards. Someone who showed her some attention and maybe even concern? 

If JVB never had any interaction with Oswald...then by all accounts she had no social interaction with any other man in New Orleans. 

She was all by herself her entire time there? Not even a girl friend or two?

7 minutes ago, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

I don't know what to think of this on Wiki, so I'm getting to movie (shame on me for not having seen it yet) :

"Historian Peter Ling awarded Parkland four out of five stars for enjoyment and three stars for historical accuracy. Reviewing the film, he praised its attempt to "capture the desperate efforts made to save Kennedy in the operating room." He told historyextra, "It shows that the head nurse, Doris Nelson (played by Marcia Gay Harden), had to take a piece of JFK's skull and some brain tissue from Mrs Kennedy [Jackie picked up a piece of her husband's skull at the scene], and that junior doctor, Jim Carrico (played by Zac Efron), had to be told to stop the frenetic but fruitless cardiac massage at one o'clock, when the team declared JFK dead" (22)

 

(22) "Historian at the Movies: Parkland reviewed". historyextra.com. Archived from the original on January 15, 2018. Retrieved November 27, 2013.

JPC,  I highly recommend you see "Parkland" if you can find it.

There is not one mention of the "single bullet" in the film though.

It was just a one hour and a half long recounting of the shock, panic and depression felt by the Parkland hospital staff attending to the mortally wounded JFK as well as the crying grief of Abraham Zapruder, who despite his grief sold his JFK murder film to "Life" magazine right away for a sum equivalent to 1.5 million in today's dollars.

Oddly, anyone else who had film and still pictures of the incident asking for monetary compensation for their films and pics were all labelled as money grubbing lowlifes for doing so.

But instant huge payment receiving Zapruder never was?

"Armed" Idahoans show up at their local library to promote their book ban beliefs.

In these "You better fight like hell or you will lose this country " Trump times we are so used to scary armed protesters showing up all over the place and so regularly we don't even express alarm any more.

Compare this almost daily armed camp Trump time to 20 or 30 years ago.

Only rare extreme violence advocating group incidents like "Ruby Ridge" took place then, and only once every few years.

Automatic rifle armed kid Kyle Rittenhouse ( illegal purchase and transporting over state lines ) blows away two unarmed protesters in Wisconsin and he is hailed ( and HONORED!) as a hero ???

Trump has truly led us all into a civil war North/South divided armed camp threat mentality with his constant "us against them" angry toned demagoguery.

When highly respected conservative ( and life long Republican ) high court judges like J. Michael Luttig states the most grave warning to the entire nation on national TV that he feels Trump is " a clear and present danger to our democracy" I wonder how this warning just isn't registering at all with Trump's 100 million cult blind rabid followers.

Maybe Anna Lewis is not the best of eye-witnesses to believe in her claim of physically seeing Lee Oswald and JVB together.

However, I am intrigued by a specific part of her Oswald/ JVB together tale.

She shares a very negative feeling she had about JVB.

That JVB was stuck up acting. Like she was better than others like her.

If Anna Lewis is going to make up this Oswald/JVB together story, it's very curious to me that she would throw in something that was seemingly so off-the-wall yet personally felt regards JVB.

Felt in an offended way. 

This specific negative take on JVB by Anna Lewis fits in with countless other personal interaction comments years later about JVB giving off arrogant vibes.

If Anna Lewis was making up her Oswald/JVB together story her throwing in this specific personal feeling negative take on Baker just seems too illogical in a scheme to convince others to believe it.

Anna Lewis didn't come across to me as clever enough to think that adding this one specific personal feeling negative take on JVB would sway others to think...ah haaa ... she ( Lewis ) must be telling the truth!

On 9/3/2022 at 12:10 AM, David Von Pein said:

"Finally found someone who agrees..." ??

Yeah, right, Allen. There's only several million people who believe the SBT is true. And yet you seem to think that I'm in a minority of one. Much the same way Jim DiEugenio holds the wacky belief that Vince Bugliosi's book has been endorsed by just two people in the whole world---myself and Tom Hanks:

"The only person who believed it ['Reclaiming History'] was Tom Hanks." -- James DiEugenio [4/15/2010]

Tom Hanks gave us the brilliant "real truth" 2013 JFK film "Parkland" to counter Oliver Stone's traitorous piece of fiction "JFK."  

Hanks financed and co-produced along with Bill Paxton.

Based on Bugliosi's classic book "4 Days In November: The Assassination Of John F. Kennedy" the film was a big hit.

Film production cost were $10 million and combined ticket sales ( both domestic and foreign ) were an astounding $1.5 million!

The film played big in Paducah, Kentucky where it actually drew more paying customers in it's three day run than two other block buster films out at the same time..."Jackass Presents : Bad Grandpa" and "Big Ass Spider !"

Hank's son Colin was given a choice role of Dr. Malcolm O. Perry and although he nor any other actors in "Parkland" received no nominations for major film performance awards, one ( Brett Stimely) did receive honorable mention as the corpse of JFK.

I actually talked my film buff wife into seeing the film with me at a small independent 5 screen theater here that went bankrupt soon after and we did so just before it was pulled after it's second day.

She only went because I begged her.

We had choice seats as there was only one other person in attendance.

A heavy set, swarthy, bearded, lots of body hair fellow whose big belly protruded out from his yellow under arm stained T-shirt.

After 20 minutes my wife pleaded with me to let her leave. I asked her to stay just another half hour.

The swarthy stinky fellow patron fell asleep soon thereafter and even though he was 10 rows away from us ( small theater ) his snoring was so incredibly loud it made it hard to hear the film's dialogue the rest of the time.

Finally I gave into my wife's desperate pleas and she left. Agreeing to pick me up outside the theater later.

After leaving the theater and the still loud snoring fellow inside my final assessment of the film was simply a pondering as to what Tom Hanks must have been thinking when he greenlighted, financed and produced this Oliver Stone's "JFK" countering Bugliosi book inspired embarrassment.

And apparently the "millions" of Americans DVP cites as believers in the "single bullet" theory were not so passionate in their more patriotic view to the degree of actually paying money to see a real truth portraying JFK film versus Oliver Stone's seditious commie crap one... a worldwide blockbuster in ticket sales.

5 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

I would love to believe Judyth Baker's story. I read Haslam's book Dr. Mary's Monkey, and I read McAdams' article on her. My only big objection to her account is her claim that when Oswald went to Mexico City, he was carrying a biological weapon to kill Castro. That strikes me as far-fetched. Beyond that, her account just strikes me as too pat, as too good to be true. I do not categorically reject it as impossible, but I am skeptical of it.

Reasonable.

20 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

There is a video interview on one of Judyth's DVDs. I'll see if I can find it.  I agree, Debbee is a big help to Judyth's credibility.  

Something I find truly puzzling about Judyth is that she has ample documentation that she and Lee worked at Reilly Coffee at the same time and were fired at about the same time. So it would be logical to think she and Lee met there.  And, in that light, I would think she would have dragged out every witness from Reilly she could find to support her assertion that she and Lee had some kind of a connection there.  But she did not do that. I can't imagine why...

 

Pamela, I have kept up with almost all your forum postings since I have been a member myself.

You were always the resident expert on the JFK limo and related subjects.

I also recall your many postings about JVB.

I totally understood when you turned direction regards your take on her.

JVB is a tough one to figure.

What reading I have done on her has me torn ... but just not enough to totally dismiss her.

She's VERY smart for sure. 

I sense she is extremely strong willed and overbearing at times. Obviously too strong for many.

Her sister Debbee ( I really don't know a lot about her ) seems much more practical and down to earth and not overbearing. Yet, this sister has stood by her sister Judyth throughout  her extremely controversial saga.

If true, the Reiley Coffee connection between Baker and Lee Oswald by itself is enough for me to keep at least some interest in the entire JVB story, even if 80% to 90% of it is questionable to very questionable.

41 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

 

I don't think there's any question that the dent (dent, not hole) occurred during the assassination.  Either from a bullet fragment or bone fragment (bullet fragment, in my opinion).  Two larger fragments were found on the floor of the limo (CE-567 and CE-569).

 

Don't you believe that a bullet fragment could have caused that damage to the frame?  Must it be from a direct strike from a bullet?

 

As for Kellerman, he did not say a flurry of "shots" came into the interior of the limo.  He said a flurry of shells came into the car.  Later in his testimony, he did use the phrase "after the flurry of shots" when describing the happenings once the shooting was over.  There is a difference.  Just a week after the assassination he described only three shots.

Other shots from "silenced" weapons could easily be a possibility.

They had weapons like that at that time.

Bone fragment? Penetrating and lifting up and bending solid steel? No.

Bullet fragment?

Not from the JFK/Connelly pristine bullet.

And the entrance angle of the inner windshield frame indentation does not line up with JFK's exploding skull.

Whatever came in to cause the windshield frame indentation came in from an angle further right than anything hitting JFK's skull ... AND it came in higher than JFK's skull and not from an upward angle as it would have if it was from a bullet fragment from the head wound.

The Kellerman "flurry" statement debate is silly.

Slight differences from each take.

1 hour ago, Bill Brown said:

 

No bullet passed through the windshield.

 

Robert Frazier testified that the windshield was actually two sheets of glass molded together to form one and that only the inner portion was damaged.  The outer portion had no damage at all.  There was no hole in the windshield; only a bit of damage (from a fragment, most likely) to the inner portion.

 

Bill, any thoughts on the upper inner windshield frame hole?

Which looks like it could have been made by a bullet?

Same hole width. 

Something made that "indentation" with enough velocity force that it lifted and twisted the surrounding metal.

Metal that was rock hard steel.

Both Kellerman and Greer and others who were in or around the limo almost daily, stated they could "not" recall seeing that big ugly hole before 11,22,1963.

I have always proposed that if my inner upper windshield frame developed a hole that big, deep and ugly I would have noticed it right away. 

Could the "flurry" of shots coming into the interior of the Limo as Kellerman described have included one that came in from a slightly different angle than the head shot to JFK and caused the steel frame damage? I believe so.

Every few years I have to review this interview just to believe it.

46 minutes ago, Mark Knight said:

“People should just, just be ready to get out on the streets with pitchforks and torches with how low the liberal media has become.” —Tim Michels, GOP candidate for WI governor.

That doesn't sound to me like it's the LEFT that is threatening violence.

Everybody knows this truth.

On 2/19/2018 at 5:32 PM, Pamela Brown said:

Yes she did.  I don't know Debbee but would not put her into the same category of schemer that I would Judyth.  It is my thinking that Judyth created her 'love story' the moment she saw Lee's face on tv after his arrest, so telling Debbee could have been part of Judyth's plan to make her look credible.  Leaving out the bioweapon, however, I think was a big mistake.

I would really like to see or read a much longer interview of JVB's sister Debbee.

Trump world has reached an "exhaustion" tipping point factor imo.

Except for his most cult like followers, growing chunks of his less committed base are finally admitting they can't keep up defending and cheer leading his 24/7 attacking anger campaigns against anyone and everything that doesn't promote his obsessive megalomania driven grandiose self-image promotion and his being a constant victim of injustice.

How long can anyone carry somebody else's oversized paranoid victim outrage and anger?

People have to go on and live with more peace, hope and optimism.

Trump exudes a constant angry and victimized energy.

The guy and his never ending outrage and battles are just too exhausting now.

Time to move on.