On 9/11/2022 at 5:38 AM, Barry Keane said:

The real power does not lay with the president.

I think most intelligent Americans agree with your statement BK.

Well, one thing is clear.

Those presidents who were asked by late night TV talk show hosts about the truth of UFO's and ET's ( Clinton, Bush, Obama ) may have had smiles on their faces when asked...but they were fake smiles for sure.

They tried to act as if the subject itself was a light-hearted joke.

However, I could sense their fear.

Yes, fear!

You can bet that as soon as these fellows take the oath of office...they are soon debriefed about the subject ( in extremely limited ways ) as it is our biggest and most important secret, ever.

Clinton once said he tried "to get to the bottom" of it, but he was denied access.

I think Clinton may even have suggested once there is another government besides our elected one. A government he had no participation in or authority over.

Whoever has full knowledge of and full control over the entire UFO/ET folder... actually has more power than any of our elected officials imo.

Doug, you once recounted a lunch meeting with E. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy at a posh club restaurant. While G. Gordon Liddy excused himself for a bathroom break I recall you stated that Cord Meyer walked into the restaurant and upon seeing him E. Howard Hunt said something quite derogatory about Meyer.

Why would Hunt dislike Meyer?

In E. Howard Hunt's tape recorded near end of life confessional to his son Saint John, he  places Meyer and LBJ at the top of the JFK assassination conspiracy pyramid.

Could Hunt's personal dislike of Cord Meyer had any part of Hunt's pinning Meyer with the JFK "Big Event" top blame?

16 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

HA!!!

It was always attractive to me to see and listen to King's English speaking British actors in film. 

Why is that?

Why do they seem more educated, intelligent and refined than most regular Americans?

Example: " I dare say you've had quite the extraordinary experience my dear fellow. And a rather quaintly charming one at that chap.

God save the Queen! Here, here!

I imagined that even their regular waking up in the morning manner of speaking was Shakespearian. 

 Ah, fair maiden servant I beseech you...To thine own self be true,  shall I choose my morning eggs ... to be scrambled or not to be scrambled...that is the question."

The American manner of speaking: 

Hey babe...how's about some eggs and bacon ovas here ... and don't burn the toast this time huh?

Yes, the English banned slavery before everyone else.

And they have also banned Pit Bull dogs.

Illegal to own them.

Too many animals and human lives lost due to their savagery.

19 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

The present legitimacy of the Supreme Court. These are among the  issues that everyone including, we'll say that those that "minimize the damage of Trump"( since they'll never admit to  voting for him) have to become more conversant with if they want a seat at the grown up table. They have to do much better research than her.

 

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Darrow Thomas "has" to recuse himself on any decision participation addressing any cases directly involving Donald J. Trump.

Scowling Thomas's wife Ginny was so directly, aggressively and long term involved with the highest position Trump "election reversing" people to help find a way to overturn the 2020 election, he can't pretend he has no bias in this affair.

12 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

I studied under famed Professor Carroll Quigley at Georgetown U., who also taught Bill Clinton. His course was Civilization. He told his students to remember above all else that "the world is irrational."

Fascinating!

So much has been written about Marina but is there any one book that focuses exclusively on Marina alone besides her own tome?

I've read much about her from her childhood all the way to her presently.

Scattered reading but to this day she remains an enigma in many ways.

An incomplete puzzle picture with purposely hidden pieces since the first time I saw her in her nationally shown "Marina, what do you do all day?" televised interview.

Like most American men ( even though I was just a boy ) I was mesmerized and taken with her in that interview. Mostly with her natural born beauty.

She didn't say much. She seemed still in shock, scared, vulnerable after everything she had been through. And remember, she was only 23!

Marina's Warren Commission and later commission hearing testimony always leaves me in a twist. It is so contradictory at times. And I often sensed that Marina held back so much.

She was such a huge part of the Lee Harvey Oswald story in the most intimate way.

The most important witness by far.

She knew so much. 

Her life before and then with Lee in Russia is just one fascinating part of the entire story.

Marina certainly held back much from everyone regards the full story of her and Lee.

For reasons that make perfect sense. And some reasons that raise suspicion.

Remember that before the police came for her at Ruth Paine's she took and hid and maybe even burned at least one piece of incrimination evidence regards Lee. Didn't she even hide something in her shoe?

Marina knew how to keep secrets. Heck, she was born and raised in Russia!

From my general reading ( admittedly limited ) about the Russian people and their history during and after Stalin and the KGB it was normal to keep your mouth shut about anything beyond simple everyday life conversation. 

Marina wrote a love letter to one of her former boyfriends in Russia who she still pined for after living with Lee in America and finding herself unhappy with him.

Lee found the letter!

A secret revealed!

Other less than innocent, submissive and lovingly obedient wife aspects to Marina that revealed themselves to researchers were personality traits such as willfulness, stubbornness, a tendency to argue or even nag. Some have said she had a touch of laziness. Staying in bed later than some mothers. 

According to Jeanne De Mohrenschildts who got close to Marina for awhile, She ) Jeanne De M ) was appalled at how openly Marina talked about Lee in incredibly derogatory ways. "Look at that idiot" and other very personal things that JDM felt a wife should never share to others outside of the sacred vow rules of marriage.

I believe Marina also made fun of Lee's seeming more interested in being left alone to read his precious books versus jumping in bed with her. 

I believe Marina was very sexually inclined and desirous from her time before meeting up with Lee. She had many boyfriends or at least pursuers during that time of her youth.

But to share these very personal and private unhappy and unfulfilled marriage revealing things about her and Lee with Jeanne DeM and in a way that made fun of him ... well, it's just another part of the entire Marina picture puzzle.

Lee did have more sway over Marina than not though in critical points of their marriage time before Marina started to break away.

She consented to going back to Russia at some point. She did what Lee told her to do during his Walker shooting escapade. She obeyed Lee regarding what to say and not to say when she was questioned by the FBI.

If the JFK event never happened Marina and Lee's marriage would have failed completely anyway. It was already 80% finished by 11,22,1963 imo.

Marina was realizing she needed someone much different than Lee to be fulfilled in all the most important ways. Let alone his crazy violent activities and mind set.

A normal young woman wife would have been terrified after Lee's General Walker shooting. And feeling she had to get away to protect herself and her baby's welfare from such a dangerous violent risk taking person.

Again, I have to remind myself that Marina went through all this craziness before she was even 24 years old!

That fact does give me some pause in considering she was some type of trained, instructed and controlled Russian covert agent during all that time. More sophisticated than not. 

To me, what tops off the incredibly interesting and even fascinating Marina story with all it's unanswered questions and purposely hidden secrets intrigue was the coincidental reality of her mesmerizing young woman physical beauty.

I could not take my eyes off of her during her first nationally televised interview.

You could tell even on black and white screen TV that her large soft eyes were radiant in a color such as blue.

Marina's beauty adds so much interest to the entire story imo.

Accidental double post.

10 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

Marina was the mother of a US citizen - Rachel Oswald. So I'd imagine that gave her some leverage back that she could stay in the US. It should also be noted that Marina was open to the idea of her and Lee returning to the USSR in 1963. She even wrote in a letter to the USSR embassy how foolish they had been to leave the USSR.

After the assassination the Russians most likely didn't want her back. And so she was stuck in the US.

Interesting take.

10 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

 

BINGO!  We have a winner.

 

Hey BB.

"BINGO" is "my" trademark lingo response line on this forum.

Been using it for years.

Sometimes post "BINGO - BRAVO - RIGHT ON!"

Ha!

7 hours ago, Mart Hall said:

The Queen met all the Presidents of the United States from Trueman to Biden, with the exception of one.

LBJ, which I’m guessing was due to the war in Vietnam. 

Condolences.

My wife's grand parents emigrated from England on her mom's side and Scotland on her father's side.

Just gotta say though, JFK and Jackie look more attractive and maybe even regal than Liz and Phillip in the above picture imo.

Let's admit it- JFK and Jackie were "our own" royal couple from 1961 through 11,22,1963.

17 minutes ago, Matt Allison said:

 

Outrageous!

1 hour ago, Ron Ege said:

Richard Cohen: FDR’s moral failure on the Holocaust - The Washington Post

It is a great shame on America.

I've been drawn to watching WW II docs on you tube the last two years and specifically the Holocaust.

Hitler's evil genocide against millions of Jews and maybe a million or two of other groups was going on for so many years.

I feel the deepest outrage not only regards the "Final Solution" but the fact that it went on for so long without the worldwide condemnation ( US #1 ) and even aggressive savior action it deserved.

Could we here in the U.S. done so much more in this regards? Did we actually turn away an ocean liner full of Jewish refugees at some point? Dear God...how gut sickening shameful!

Obviously our ruling wealthy class considered Communism more of a threat to their status quo than Nazism. I sense they were hoping the Germans could take out Russia and erase that threat.

Oh the great atrocities back then. The rape and killing of millions by the ruthless Japanese. Stalin's mass killing of 20+ killing and torturing of his own people.

Letting any poopoo war criminals go when they could have executed them was a deal with the devil that we must answer for.

30 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Ha!

And don't forget, Trump stated publicly he felt bad for prolific child sex trafficking Ghislaine Maxwell's conviction and imprisonment.

22 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Headline from today's Houston Chronical about Texas public school teachers: The goal of the rightwing extremists is to destroy public education or bend it to where is espouses conservative misinformation. 

Poll: 77% of Texas teachers want to quit

School districts in California's poorest urban areas are begging for teachers as well.

The discussion of primary level education in this day and age and with our society so diverse in so many ways can make your head spin.

Where do you jump in?

I guess one might start by reflecting on their own personal education experience from early childhood and even infancy and birth.

A mother's love is the beginning, is it not?

Nurturing, protecting, guiding, comforting, loving, teaching of language and behavior.

Without this or to different degrees the neglect of it ... anything later is a crap shoot.

Out of the home public education starting with day care and kindergarten is usually the beginning of teaching a child socializing skills and understanding.

That is good. And I believe we do a good job of it.

Kids from multiple sibling families are also educated in socializing. Kind of a head start on those who are not?

However, the multiple sibling social skill learning experience can be as bad as good depending on the mental, moral and often economic health of the entire family

Beyond the socializing experience the most important academic teaching at the very earliest levels of public education imo are always reading and writing skills.

The vast majority of children who went on to excel in the higher primary grades were the ones who grasped these skills early on from my memory.

It's easy to understand the importance and value of these first educational precepts concepts.

However, the coherent discussion and debate larger picture of public and private education in this country of ours "beyond the first few years of childhood" will take mammoth sized thought analysis talent and effort which I am not capable of ... especially at this moment.

All I can right now say is I hope and pray we figure out a system that works and brings us all closer together more so than we are currently.

1 hour ago, Miles Massicotte said:

It is no coincidence that the proliferation of these kinds of technologies, increasingly encroaching upon our bodily privacy, have occurred simultaneously with the normalizing of the security state. The once feared FBI, CIA, and federal government have now been successfully propagandized as the "good guys", to such an extent never before seen in history that no major political party deigns to question their authority or allegiance. As Biden's press secretary recently said, anyone who has a belief against the majority opinion is an extremist.

I believe that a right to habeas corpus will increasingly become an "extremist" position, and the combination of state power, so-called technological progress, and corporate hegemony of individuals' personal information will lead to the domination of a techno-fascist complex that threatens to eviscerate human rights as we know them.

True. Right in front of our eyes.

1 hour ago, Chris Barnard said:

This is the trajectory that we are on, technocracy, or scientific dictatorship, an idea that was popular in elite circles in the 1920’s and 30’s. Everything is sold as a benefit or progress, such as surrendering our privacy, our biometric data, and the propensity for misuse and an Orwellian situation increases daily. The scary thing is that kids spend more time at school than with their parents, meaning the state will propagandise and coerce them and normalise the loss of things like body autonomy. Children's brains are like sponges between 0 and 8 years old. Parents are apathetical about it all. There is a feeling of futility too. People are so weak, and addicted to the quick release of dopamine from entertainment and substances, that like drug addicts they’d rather do anything other than face reality. 

1 hour ago, Miles Massicotte said:

It is no coincidence that the proliferation of these kinds of technologies, increasingly encroaching upon our bodily privacy, have occurred simultaneously with the normalizing of the security state. The once feared FBI, CIA, and federal government have now been successfully propagandized as the "good guys", to such an extent never before seen in history that no major political party deigns to question their authority or allegiance. As Biden's press secretary recently said, anyone who has a belief against the majority opinion is an extremist.

I believe that a right to habeas corpus will increasingly become an "extremist" position, and the combination of state power, so-called technological progress, and corporate hegemony of individuals' personal information will lead to the domination of a techno-fascist complex that threatens to eviscerate human rights as we know them.

Amen In Spades 2.

Just a little "Big Brother" heads up story.

A friend went to our local "Whole Foods" market the other day.

As he was having his food items scanned at the check out counter another person with the clerk asked my friend if he wanted to sign up for their new payment method plan.

Palm prints.

PALM PRINTS!

My friend was aghast!

What's next...eye scans, voice and stress analysis, body movement surveillance, inplanted chips... just to pay for groceries?

Mark of the beast?

Perhaps a visible ruby colored gem looking type chip implanted in the middle of your forehead that when scanned reads and records ALL this personal/private information at once?

I don't think the average person truly understands how electronically surveilled and code checked we already are in every area of our lives.

We are 80% integrated with Big Brother technology already.

Think about it. All new cars are implanted with tracking devices accessible to any law enforcement agency at any time for any reason.

Your phones are tracking devises. Your credit and bank cards are tracking devices. Your computer is a tracking device...even visually.

24 hour surveillance cameras are being installed in more and more cities along their main entrance and exit roadways that can read license plates and instantly report any information on the car and car owner's identity and even track their city entering and exit times!

All this loss of and invasion of car travel privacy in the name of security for the towns people?

In fact surveillance cameras are everywhere now and everything they see can be instantly integrated into one big matrix, again available to selected authority entities for what ever reason they choose.

8 minutes ago, Andrew Prutsok said:

I would guess Kushner's $2 billion is part of the document payoff. As is LIV Golf, if you follow that kind of thing. It will be found to be a big money laundering operation.

What about the suitcases full of Euro cash ( millions? ) sent to Prince Charles' charities?

Come on...if you want to make such donations...you don't use Mafia or Drug Cartel money laundering schemes to do so.

The Saudis sure have their cash payouts going to so many highest rung power people...don't they?

Weren't the Bush's hand holding friends as well?

9 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

SO TRUE DOUG. SO TRUE INDEED.

We haven't gone forward since the American middle class benefitting 1950's through 1970's heydays.

We've gone backwards. Except for the top 5%.

Advances in technology has not brought us societal health and happiness better than those times. This is a reality fact that cannot be disputed.

2 hours ago, Ron Ege said:

Surely, LHO's bio falls under the category of, "you just can't make this stuff up" - all by his lonesome, of course.

Therefore, we are left with - and maybe Mr. Holes would put it differently - surreptitious orchestration.

Exactly.

And thanks for the compliment.

10 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Her bias is so screamingly obvious!

I say go "ALL THE WAY TO THE SCOTUS DOJ!"

And let the Ginny and Clarence Thomas Trump bias show reveal itself.

These Trumper's and the Repubs for years always expects the Dems to buckle. This time...they can't. The stakes are too high!

This Haiti / Duvalier story about George DeM along with so many others proves beyond doubt that he led a life of intrigue and covert agenda missions for who knows what agencies and corporate interests ( Texas oil) and for decades.

G DeM knew agency director George Bush well enough to receive a personal response back when he writes to him?

G DeM ( during his and wife Jeannie's last visit to Marina and Lee at their apartment ) making that supposed joke comment to Lee Harvey Oswald about him ( Oswald ) taking a pot shot at Walker when Marina accidently opened their closet door to reveal Lee's rifle only makes sense if GD knew or surmised that Lee was the Walker shooter.

G DeM had to have known something about Lee linking him to the shooting before hand.

They say Lee Harvey Oswald was enamored by the old TV show "I Led Three Lives" back when Oswald was just 14 through 17.

George De Mohrenschildts seems like "he" was the real deal in this regards.

8 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

What was in Donald Trump's stash of classified documents, that the Saudi's were willing to pay Jared Kushner 2 billion dollars for?

Information about Israel's nuclear capabilities, or how to bypass or disable them perhaps?

Steve Thomas

The Saudi's, through a kind of convoluted arrangement bailed out Jarred Kushner.