Joe Bauer

On 9/29/2022 at 9:28 AM, Michael Griffith said:

Wow! What a small world! My wife and I lived in Marina both times I attended DLI. Housing in Monterey was too expensive for us. Marina was the closest place that had halfway affordable housing. In fact, we lived in a nice HUD apartment complex both times we were there.

 

Michael, things have changed so much regards the DLI since you lived here.

The military pumped so much more money into the facility in the last few decades.

They have built beautiful dorms for their single students and made incredible infrastructure improvements. Including building a full sized football type soccer field with night lights. 

When I was a kid and young man you could drive right through the DLI grounds on two separate streets as a shortcut to get to and from Monterey and Pacific Grove which saved incredible time versus going all the way around on one always busy ocean side tourist street.

On 911 they closed those streets to the public and to this day 21 years later have never re-opened them. They've built 24 hour manned security gates at all entrances which didn't exist before 911. 

And the military quit the cheap housing program for their married couples with children attendees.

The 1950's built 2 bedroom one bath residential home next door to us houses a temporary duty military family. When they leave another one takes their place. The monthly rent? $4,500!

$50,000 a year!

Guess this is the "Beverly Hills" version of military subsidized housing.

We knew the previous military family living there. The wife ( she and her husband were both military ) told me the $50,000 rent expense was paid "above and beyond" their pay!

Money is no object with the military.

Hundreds of massive rent homes all over the Peninsula are military paid.

It helps keep the rents insanely high as other rental homeowners just charge the same. These rental home owners fight to find military renters. Their rents are guaranteed.

Thousands of Peninsula resident civilians over the years have strongly expressed their wishes for the moving of the DLI to perhaps cheaper land out on the massive yet wide open undeveloped old Fort Ord base.

To open up the previous traffic congestion freeing roadways, help lower the Military highest rent jacking up home rental rates and perhaps even freeing up more affordable housing for civilians. The facility could be turned over to our state college system and would make a beautiful new but small campus.

During the most heavy public demand for this DLI movement time, our Monterey City manager was a long time career former Army Colonel.

He was totally military favoring. He shut down any efforts to move the facility.

Also, huge military subsidized rent gold mine rental home owners came out in full force to shut down the move movement as well as hundreds of staff employees who didn't want to leave this beautiful facility and easy commute location to have to drive to the out-backs of ugly Fort Ord land 20 miles away.

From hanging around kids whose parents worked at the facility growing up and actually meeting their parents occasionally ( I never gave this any thought at the time ) you knew these kids and their parents came from their home countries and were brought here.  I sense now, that their parents often had positions in their home countries that may have involved circumstances of high military and/or political intrigue.

Things you just "don't talk about" to outsiders. 

But again, as kids and teenagers, such things were the last things on our minds versus girls and sports and just having fun.

Just now, Tony Krome said:

On the Sunday, we saw another example of this type of gutless action. Shooting an unarmed and handcuffed man in the belly, and putting others at great risk.

Ruby said he wanted to show the world that Jews had guts.

But his shooting the handcuffed, defenseless Oswald was one of the most cowardly acts imaginable.

3 hours ago, John Kennedy White said:

Most assassins would need to be psychopaths. None of that would bother them in the slightest.

Was Oswald that psychopathic?

Had he ever killed anyone before his alleged murders of JFK and Tippit?

What could tip someone who never even hurt someone physically before ( except maybe a couple of shoving skirmishes and an accidental gun discharge in Japan ) to then in one day go all psychopathic and in such brutal way?

Blowing JFK's head off inches from his wife's face? 3 or 4 bullets into Tippit with a final mafia hitman kill shot into his head?

8 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Thanks for sharing your story Joe. May your recovery be speedy and beyond expectations.

On a practical note, I suggest you check out rollators, which are a far better choice than walkers in a number of ways. Get one with brakes that lock, so you can sit down on it when needed. I like one with a storage area below the seat. I bought a good, strong one four years ago on Amazon for only $80. Still works great.

 

Will do. Thanks for the info Sandy.

10 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

 

What has always struck me personally is the brutality of the killing ... blowing off the President's head in broad daylight, while sitting next to his wife, at noon, in a motorcade.  The assassination could've been accomplished many other ways, in a less dramatic and public fashion. But this was not just a murder, it was a statement.  And I can't help feeling that it had the angry overtones of revenge (i.e., Bay of Pigs betrayal). 

Gene 

Whoever blew JFK's head apart just 12 inches from his wife's face while she is looking right at him and spewing his blood and brain matter upon her body was a person no less sick than a rabid animal.

A Frankenstein's monster.

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

MIKE,

Are you being for real about the ARRB and Prouty?

That was an ambush, which Fletcher sensed after about the third question. And he told Len Osanic about it when he got home.

This was exposed by the man who I think is the finest archival researcher there is right now: Malcolm Blunt. And if he had not unearthed this material we would never have known about people like the ARRB's Dennis Quinn and Tim Wray--who both left the Board after--who were setting up the ambush. (Quinn tried to halt the medical inquiry.) IMO, neither should have been employed by that body.

That material by Malcolm was then supplemented by communications with Doug Horne who gave us inside info on the perps--Wray and Quinn-- and why they did it.  For you to take that whole ersatz exercise at face value--a la Fred Litwin-- shows that you were willing to accept the worst implications about the whole set up--without digging behind the scenes to see how it was stage managed. I wrote this piece, but it could not have been written without Malcolm, Horne, Palamara, and Len Osanic.

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/fletcher-prouty-vs-the-arrb

 

I really do not see how you could have had no reservations about the Board, if you had studied anything about how it was set up, and who was on it.  Plus some of the things they said on the subject. Plus the fact that as Horne said, about 2/3 of the employees were WC supporters.

If you do not know this, Fletcher Prouty wrote a long essay back in about 1986 on the Vietnam War.  If you have not read it you don't know what you are talking about..  That long essay had all the major points that Newman brought out in 1992 in his over 400 page book: the intel deception, Kennedy's disagreement with his advisors, how NSAM 263 and the Taylor/McNamara report were written etc. The only way Fletcher  could have known this was  being on the inside.

And as shown above, unlike what Quinn said, there were military supplements for Kennedy's visits;  VInce proved that.  And Prouty did have evidence, as did the ARRB, that there was an offer to extend the same in Dallas. For whatever reason, it was not accepted.

 

PS William got the point about Johannides wrong.  That was not for the ARRB, it was the HSCA.

PPSS: Max Boot?  Please read this and take special note about near the end.   https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/max-boot-vs-jfk-revisited-202201021703

Boot tried to accuse JFK of attempting to topple Lumumba!  How can anyone take such a person seriously?  The man who never met a war he did not like.

 

 

 

 

Worthy of bumping.

6 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

 

Lansdale was one of the "good guys," eh?  Which is why he joked about throwing guys out of helicopters while running his CIA black ops in Vietnam?

Let's not forget that Lansdale was Allen Dulles favorite black ops guy, after his black ops/psy ops success with Magsaysay in the Philippines.  

Really ruthless killing in the Philippines. 

2 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Joe: Because you are a great writer, each of us personally can identify with the traumatic events you just went through. I have coffee four times a week with guys my age, 84, or close to it.  Half our time is talking about current events and half about our health problems. No two of us have the same health problems. But what we discuss about heath pales in contrast to what you have just gone through. Thank goodness the postal mail lady was there and helped you and then summoned emergency personnel. Your life changed immediately when this occurred just as the lives of several million people in Florida just had their lives changed overnight by hurricane IAN. Many of these lost everything and are seniors in every sense of the word. They, as you, must begin life anew. Medicare should shoulder most of the cost of your recovery, which will include rehab in skilled facilities, and from what I have read the State of California has its own medical plan that may supplement Medicare. You have the prayers of all of us that you will bounce back and recover quickly. The forum needs the commonsense and wisdom that you always impart to whatever the topic is.

Doug,

Wow!

You sure know how to make a fellow forum member feel better about things and themselves.

My wife is an editor. Worked for McGraw Hill for 25 years. Does part time contract work from home now.

She loves to write and is just now starting her own creative writing with noir short stories.

She knows I am totally uneducated in the field of english and writing. I barely made it through high school.

She doesn't criticize my writing, but when I ask her to edit some things here and there she says they are so bad she doesn't know where to begin.

I am amazed anyone here on the forum thinks I am anything near a good writer.

I will take a little credit for your opinion on my common sense imparting.

I do try to base many of my postings on what I consider to be common sense.

Thanks again.

Joe B.

6 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

This all sounds pretty scary Joe.  Modern medical advances are amazing in some cases.  Here's hoping for a speedy and full, better than ever recovery.  Best regards, Ron.

Ron thank you.

I just have to take things one day at a time and hope for the best.

Thank goodness I can still read and post here. Helps get my mind off of these scary events.

6 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Sorry to hear about this, Joe.  The cardiac issues and syncopal episode sound worrisome.

If your blood pressure is stable, the syncope could be related to a cardiac arrythmia.

Not to second guess your aftercare plan, but you should probably wear a Holter monitor for a week or two to check for arrythmias.  The technology has evolved since my days as a medical intern 40 years ago, and they now have small Holter type monitors that they tape to your chest for two weeks.

Make sure that your doctor knows about the fainting episode.

WN, thanks for the well wishes.

All my doctors know about the fainting issues.

Treatment is debated at this time.

55 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Regardless of political views, on a personal level I wish everyone health and happiness. 

Thank you BC.

11 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Doug's right, you get older and more of your talk with your friends is about your health problems and you see everyone's got different  problems. I've always dreaded a day  when I would get a wake up call, because you never know when it could happen. It sounds like you've gotten a double wake up call. Please do what you need to do to have a lasting recovery because we want you here!

Thank you Kirk.

3 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

Hope you recover well Joe!

Thank you Greg.

6 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

I wish you all the best in your recovery, Joe. Glad you are alive and kicking!

Thank you Matt.

1 hour ago, Richard Price said:

Joe, I am so sorry to hear of your recent severe health problems.  I hope you have good doctors, consistent improvement and no further complications.  Best wishes and I hope we continue to hear from you.  As a side note, at nearly 67 and overweight by at least 25 lbs, I am in your same boat to some degree.  While I am now retired (USPS), which helped alleviate stress substantially,  I have finally learned to not hold things in and to accept the many things I cannot change and that has also helped.  I now try my best to live by a rule I should have followed years ago:  Luke 12:25 (NIV)  Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life^[a]? ²⁶ Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

My best wishes for prolonged good health and happiness to you.

Richard ...thank you.

I will take your kind empathy and thoughful spiritual advice to heart.

You know my USPS delivery lady is a hero.

If not for her I would fainted "in the street" and with my wife not even knowing I was out there.

"Jennifer" abandoned her super tight time frame route to help me for 20 minutes. My wife froze and could only stand and stare in shock while Jennifer ( who called 911 ) got on her knees and tended to me with reassuring calming caring talk and holding my arms and hands until the EMT's arrived. She even stayed the extra 10 minutes it took for them to stabilize me before taking me to the hospital.

I am going to write to my local and larger district USPS offices to share with them this life and death situation heroism on the part of their carrier.

I don't know how to share this true life heroism USPS carrier story on social media but I need to find a way.

I know for a fact some things about our carrier that she is going through some incredible stresses in her own life.

Just one:

She can't afford to live here. She must commute over two hours a day ( over mountain passes!) from her home area because it's the only place she can afford rent.

Anyway...thanks again.

My apologies to any of our members feeling a posting like this to be too personal and inappropriate for the forum.

12 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

A heart attack and a brain injury might contribute to PTSD.

MIGHT?

Ron, I just had both myself!

9 days ago I suffered a heart attack.

Instant incredible pain in left upper arm, radiating across my left upper chest and shoulder and up into the left part of my neck.

I was hospitalized for 4 days. Lots of CT tests and had an angiogram and ultra sound exam as well.

I was discharged last Friday at 12:PM.

My wife picked me up and 10 minutes later we arrived home.

The mail lady was at our mail box which is across the street from our home.

I got out to greet " Jennifer " and get the mail. My wife drove on down our driveway as I did and went inside our home with my belongings.

I stood talking to Jennifer for 5 minutes, telling her what happened to me and all of a sudden I was overcome with sweat breaking weakness. Jennifer could see my distress. I turned pale as a white sheet, so she offered to help me walk across the street to our driveway.

I was getting weaker by the second. She helped me get to the back of our car where I couldn't go any farther and all I could do was lean over the trunk. Jennifer ran to get my wife.

As they came out the front door I completely fainted and they saw me drop off the car. They said they then heard a "crack" sound. Not a "thud" sound.

I hit my head and was unconscious with my eyes rolled back in my head when they got to me. A minute or two later I came to enough to open my eyes. For two minutes nothing made sense to me. I couldn't move or speak. Jennifer called 911.

Ten minutes later they loaded me up in the ambulance and I was back at our same hospital just 35 minutes after my earlier discharge.

I was now afflicted with a concussion and an extreme case of vertigo as well.

I was just discharged yesterday and am now at home. Much dizziness continues.

My life has changed instantly. Huge changes.

I cannot drive a car and no doctor will tell me when I can drive again.

I can only walk using a walker.

I will need more therapy for the head injuries.

I need to lose 40 lbs ( from 215 lbs to 175 lbs ) due to my overall health stressed conditions including my heart and sleep apnea.

Huge dietary changes.

So, let me tell you. You bet there is extreme PTSD involved in such physical injury trauma.

People involved in bad life and death car accidents all have this the rest of their lives.

At 71, it's even harder to go through traumas like this. Not crying about it, just recounting my recent experience objectively to illuminate it's power and effect relative to what you posted above about it.

2 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

Hi, Leslie. Yes, I was at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California, twice, from 1982-1984 (Arabic) and from 1986-1987 (Hebrew). DLI is also known as the Presidio of Monterey because that's the official name of the Army installation where DLI is located. 

When I began to study the JFK case and came across Rankin's comment that Oswald attended "the Monterey School of the Army," it jumped out at me because I knew from my own experience that 99% of the military people who are sent to DLI work in an intelligence field, and that no one goes there unless they receive orders to go there.

I'm saying 99% just to be safe. In fact, I never knew any military person at DLI who did not work in an intelligence field.

I live right next to the DLI.

I have lived a few miles from it most of my life starting from the age of 1.

I grew up with scores of children who's parents or grandparents worked there.

Russians, Hungarians, Chinese, Burmese, you name it. 

I don't have time right now to relate the hundreds of anecdotal stories I have regarding these people, but if Lee Harvey Oswald actually spent time studying there you truly have a game changing aspect to his background.

On 9/24/2022 at 7:14 PM, Paul Brancato said:

Joe - agree. We were asked to accept a string of improbables. 

A string a mile long.

Why would Lee Oswald's name be embroidered inside the jacket?

And in ostentatious large script "gold leaf" lettering?

The kind of gaudy gold thing one would expect in Trump's clothing.

The opposite of bourgeois?

If the jacket is real though, and I had loads of money I would have paid $25,000 for it.

Remember, there is a famous photo of Lee and Marina standing outside in Minsk with LO apparently wearing this actual jacket which would add tremendous value to it.

I'm giving thought to an aspect of the mind sets of the highest power enemies of JFK.

I suspect 98% of even intelligent history interested Americans may not have ever adequately contemplated nor understood the full psychological scope mind sets of Allan Dulles, J.Edgar Hoover, LBJ, The joint chiefs, wealthiest oil barons, and even long term Mafia bosses. Others like the Rockefellers, John McCloy, etc.

Before young JFK was even a Congressman most of these power men above had already had enormous power, wealth and influence bestowed upon them. For decades and in some ways equal to presidents.

Dulles ( and later Helms ) ruled a fiefdom that was even beyond the oversight of the federal executive and legislative branches.

Using national security as an excuse for keeping even Presidents in the dark about some of our greatest secrets.

And whoever holds and controls our greatest secrets has the ultimate power. Even beyond elective office officials.

Since WWII our intelligence agencies were growing exponentially and so was their power influence and budgets. And less and less oversight to boot.

At times they were lying to and manipulating even our Presidents. They made sure Nixon was removed. I think LBJ was afraid of ( or corrupted ) by them.

When certain men are placed in the highest rungs of power and influence, this power is a seductive drug. And the longer they have it, the more they become addicted to it and the harder it is to let go of it.

I can easily understand the power stripped outrage of long term power addicted Dulles toward JFK for firing him. And the same with another long time power addicted J.Edgar Hoover who knew JFK was going to throw him out as well.

Same with all the other power addicted men I cite above. JFK was a threat to them all.

Dulles scoffed at JFK - "He thought he was a little God."

It was the other way around.

JFK was seriously dismantling this power drunk ego maniac cabal.

When one truly comprehends the mind sets of highest power addicts, of how hard it is for them to give up this drug like power after decades of indulging in it...I believe one can understand that some would actually kill to keep it.

Eisenhower's MIC warning speech upon leaving office was referring to this power threat.

JFK sensed he was a threat to much of this secret power group. He contemplated a military coup initiated by these different groups and felt the film "7 Days In May" should be made and shown to the American public. Perhaps thinking such a film might set off alarm bells within our citizenry and plant a sense of outrage seed in case of an actual coup being attempted?

I believe that once someone truly understands the mind sets of these power anointed and addicted men listed above they can more logically understand that they could kill to keep it.

JFK had the entire power addicted bunch against him.

He was naive in not fully comprehending what he was truly up against...imo anyway.

1 hour ago, Joseph McBride said:

Indira Gandhi, herself later a victim of assassination,

said it best: Kennedy "died because he lost the support of his peers."

Really? Interesting.

Who were JFK's main peers?

Dulles, Hoover, the Joint Chiefs?

27 minutes ago, Karl Hilliard said:

What wasn't highlighted------

So no matter how you slice it...the [CE399 was found on some random stretcher] story meant that it was just planted "evidence" and had nothing at all to do with the governor's wounds.

Connelly's own surgeon Dr. Robert Shaw didn't see the injuries causing bullet at the time of surgery? He only "heard" about it weeks later when the SS told him about it's discovery on a stretcher?

Come on.

Shaw told the WC flat out he didn't think the "pristine bullet" could have been the one that caused all of Connelly's wounds.

Vince Palamara "is" an expert on the history of the post WWII Secret Service.

Hill and Blaine are and were not.

Neither Hill nor Blaine have done 100th the hard, dedicated, academic research effort into their own SS that Vince P. has.

They admit such!

Blaine was only with the SS for 5 years?

Hill wrote his own SS personal experience biographical account.

Brian Lamb didn't ask any hard ball questions of Hill and Blaine.

Would have loved for Lamb to have asked Hill and Blaine on national TV about Abraham Bolden.

I would have asked them if Bolden was wrong when he claimed and graphically described his experience working with the White House detail.

And whether there was any racist attitudes amongst the SS during JFK's presidency?

I am certain Hill and Blaine would have weaseled out of answering those specific questions with a lame "I wouldn't know"  and/or "We never discussed such things like that amongst our brotherhood."

Because if they answered yes to the question of whether any or many of their SS brothers did harbor black movement racist feelings, you would then have to ask these guys if it was possible there were feelings of resentment, dislike or even hatred toward JFK because of his fairly perceived image as more sympathetic towards the blacks and their racial equality movement.

13 minutes ago, Dennis Berube said:

I cannot believe this sesspool of a thread is still active. Since it is, anyone care to comment on biden's recent executive orders regarding CBDC's and biotechnology? 

“to be able to write circuitry for cells and predictably program biology in the same way in which we write software and program computers,”

Sounds like biden just gave the far-far-far-right wing WEF (started by Kissinger/Schwab, good ole Republicans) an early christmas gift. Get ready for a whole new level of MK-Ultra coming at you and your children. 

 

To not realize the enemy we face is far beyond orange man or brandon, creates almost completely irrelevant political analysis at this point in time, I guess that is the point of this thread however. 

 

 

"If the average person knew half of what's really going on in the world they'd probably go into their backyard and shoot themselves."

Welcome to the "cesspool" thread DB. 

Glad you were motivated enough to jump into it with us fellow cesspoolers.

Blluet Found On Stretcher Versus Bullet Removed From Connally's thigh.

Is this confusing or what? 

Mr. SPECTER - What is your opinion as to whether bullet 399 could have inflicted all of the wounds on the Governor, then, without respect at this point to the wound of the President's neck?
Dr. SHAW - I feel that

>>>>> there would be some difficulty in explaining all of the wounds as being inflicted by bullet Exhibit 399<<<<<

without causing more in the way of loss of substance to the bullet or deformation of the bullet.
(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. DULLES - Could I ask one more question there, how deep was the wound of entry, could you tell at all?
Dr. SHAW - Mr. Dulles, I didn't examine the wound of the thigh so I can't testify as to that. Dr. Gregory, I think, was there at the time that >>>>>the debris was carried out <<<<< and he may have more knowledge than I have.

Mr. DULLES - Did you hear at that time or have any knowledge, of a bullet which had been found on the stretcher?
Dr. SHAW - No; this was later knowledge.
Mr. DULLES - When did you first hear that?
(At this point Senator Russell entered the hearing room.)
Dr. SHAW - This information was first given to me by a man from the Secret Service who interviewed me in my office several weeks later. It is the first time I knew about any bullet being recovered.

WC testimony of Dr. Charles Gregory:

Mr. SPECTER - What other wounds, if any, did you notice on the Governor at that time?
Dr. GREGORY - In addition to the chest wound and the wound just described in his right forearm there was a wound in the medical aspect of his left thigh. This was almost round and did not seem to have disturbed the tissues badly, but did definitely penetrate and pass through the skin and to the fascia beneath. I could not tell from the superficial inspection whether it had passed through the fascia. An X-ray was made of his thigh at that time and there was not present in his thigh any missile of sufficient magnitude, in my opinion, to have produced the wound observed on his medial aspect. Repeat X-rays failed to reveal any such missile and an additional examination failed to reveal any wound of exit.
Mr. SPECTER - What did the X-rays reveal with respect to the presence of a missile?
Dr. GREGORY - In the thigh there was a very small shadow, perhaps 1 mm. by 2 mm. in dimension, lying close to the medial aspect of the femur, that is, the thigh bone, but was in my opinion much too small to have accounted for the dimensions of the wound on the medial aspect of his thigh or a wound of that character.