Denny Zartman

2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

You're assuming...

@Sandy Larsen you deserve a medal.

In my view, the 1960 Hoover memo proves something was up with Oswald's identity long before it could have had anything to do with the JFK assassination.

I also believe James Wilcott's story of a so-called Oswald Project, and that this project involved Oswald's identity and espionage.

Why would a government agency want something like an Oswald Project? To create confusion. Look at us now, more than half a century later: still confused and still trying to untangle the mystery of who this guy really was - despite the fact that he was merely 24 years old and one of the single most researched individuals in history.

CIA connected Ruth Paine got Oswald his job at the TSBD.

CIA connected George de Mohrenschildt - Oswald's only friend despite their pronounced differences in age, social status, and political views - got Oswald to move to Dallas and introduced him to Ruth Paine.

I don't know the contents of the book, obviously. But imho, to argue this was all coincidence will be a tall order.

Good work @Keven Hofeling . You know your stuff.

3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

The reason for my pessimism is I feel this theory distracts from serious discourse about the assassination just like the Greer did it theory.  Or the lone nut Oswald did it with two shots that hit from the rear theory. 

Double post. Three Dog Night.

3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

The reason for my pessimism is I feel this theory distracts from serious discourse about the assassination just like the Greer did it theory.  Or the lone nut Oswald did it with two shots that hit from the rear theory. 

I understand exactly how you feel and I agree.

22 hours ago, Kevin Balch said:

The policeman and the construction worker in the “Badgeman” photo were notable performers in the disco group Village People.

Great. Now AI is going to treat this as a fact.

I'm sorry to learn of Dr. Wecht's passing, as are many of us here. I always enjoyed seeing him in documentaries and hearing him share his expertise. He got right to the point, often with good humor and enthusiasm. He gave us many valuable contributions to our understanding of this case, and for that I am grateful. He will be missed.

2 hours ago, Richard Bertolino said:

I am willing to dismiss the possibility that Nellie Connally fired the shot.

Based on what?

On 5/6/2024 at 11:59 AM, George Govus said:

He develops the notion Oswald was shooting at Connally.

I haven't read it. I don't think Oswald was so daft, nor so twisted, as to murder a man and gain nothing from it but revenge.

It also begs the question: why didn't he fill Connally's face full of lead as the limo was going north on Houston?

Is there a book with transcripts of JFK's Oval Office recordings? I heard some of those last night and found them quite interesting.

8 hours ago, Mike Aitken said:

Has anyone here read the book he wrote about his father?  If so, did write about the assassination and did his story seem legitimate or embellished/fabricated?

I've read "Bond of Secrecy" Saint John Hunt's book about his father's confessions. Saint John seemed honest in his recounting. According to Saint John, it's clear that E. Howard knew his time was short and that he was looking for a sizeable amount of money for his confessions.

Anyway, in summary: E. Howard Hunt pointed the finger at LBJ as being at the top of the pyramid, and implicated others such as Cord Meyer (often misspelled as "Myer" in the book), William Harvey, Frank Sturgis, David Morales, and Antonio Veciana. He has Lucien Sarti shooting from the grassy knoll. I believe E. Howard didn't confess to any of his own personal involvement in the actual assassination day.

The doctors at Parkland saw cerebellum. You can believe them - the ones who had medical education and who were actually there - or you can believe Pat. They both can't be right.

Pat Speer has no medical education other than listening to dinner table conversation at home. He was not at Parkland, and even if he had been, he would not have had the expertise to evaluate the wounds anyway.

Pat is a sloppy, careless researcher who arbitrarily ignores basic facts that contradict his agenda, and then he turns around and shows naked contempt for others who dare contradict him.

Pat is no expert, and I feel bad for those researchers that treat him as such.

I'm not reading your posts anymore @Pat Speer. In my view, you have zero credibility.

9 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

Wagner believes the greatest challenge to those who believe there was NOT a conspiracy is the high-on-the-top-of-the-skull bullet fragment trail, as both alleged rear entrance locations on the skull do not explain it away.

In my opinion, the greatest challenge to those that espouse the Lone Nut story is to reconcile Oswald's behavior without alleging that he was also insane.

9 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

Wagner believes the greatest challenge to those who believe there was a conspiracy is the following: there is no evidence that Oswald's movements were controlled in any fashion on 11/22/63 to PREVENT HIM FROM HAVING AN ALIBI.

Well, LHO wouldn't have known he even needed an alibi until after the fact. His assigned job might have been to surreptitiously or discreetly do something, like stand behind others and take pictures of the motorcade. Also, it sure seems like there's a case to be made that the power was off in the building during the assassination, so, again, his assigned duty might have been to turn off the breakers just prior. As I understand it the breakers were on the north side of the first floor, and there's more evidence that he was on or near the first floor during the assassination than on the sixth floor firing a rifle that he left no prints on and that expelled no nitrates onto his face.

The doctors at Parkland say they saw cerebellum. Pat says they didn't.

You can believe the Parkland doctors - the ones who had medical education, medical experience, and who were actually there - or you can believe Pat.

They both can't be right.

That's excellent. Congratulations on the ongoing success, it's well deserved.

6 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

This thread as alluded to initially was intended to stir up interest in the forum on a slow night, as often happens this time of year.

So, anybody passing through late tonight Willie doing Bob Wills . . . 

 

Sure, Willie is great, but you guys really need to check out some of the newer, younger artists out there.

2 minutes ago, Robert Morrow said:

Beverly Oliver, who I consider a friend of mine, once said he was in the Carousel Club where she saw Jack Ruby introduce Lee Oswald "of the CIA." Odds of that actually happening are about one in one billion. Beverly is probably right about her own story but saying she saw Roscoe White on the Grassy Knoll is not worthy of trust.

I understand this. That's why I specifically noted that most researchers reject Oliver and that I wouldn't argue with it. I'm saying that Hargis's observations do not exist in a vacuum. We may choose to reject Oliver and her statements, but it still remains that there is a witness who backs up Hargis, as well as a third witness, Hoffman, who reported that he saw a man in a policeman's uniform near the same spot prior to the assassination.

21 minutes ago, Robert Morrow said:

Roscoe White can have "government connections" and still not be a killer of JFK, which I do not think he was.

There's no reason for Hargis to glom on to the Roscoe White story in 2003 because the Roscoe White story was almost immediately dismissed as a hoax as soon as it became public in 1990.

You believe that Roscoe White had 45 pages worth of government connections that the government felt it had to keep secret for decades after the fact? Isn't that, by itself, suspicious?

2 hours ago, Robert Morrow said:

I don't put much credence into the Roscoe White story OR the Hargis identification of him.

I'd like to add that it's not just Hargis. It's also Beverly Oliver.

Witness Ed Hoffman also says he observed a man in a policeman's uniform behind the fence along with other men just prior to the assassination.

I know most people reject Oliver, and I won't argue with them. But I didn't know until now that Hoffman was also widely disbelieved among Conspiracy Theorists. He certainly didn't get rich or become a major celebrity from sharing his story, did he? We on the forum know of him, but I'd bet most average folks have never even heard of James Tague, much less Ed Hoffman.

There's also "Badgeman". I'm not saying I believe in Badgeman. But when we consider Hargis, Hoffman, Oliver, and the Badgeman theory, together and then decide to dismiss them all, are we truly being healthily skeptical, or could it be that at some point we are actively looking for excuses to disbelieve the possibility that Roscoe White could have been involved? Isn't some of the reason these individual witness observations are dismissed is because there are no other witness observations to support them?

He had a connection to Oswald. His wife had a connection to Ruby. Even as a new recruit that hadn't spent one minute in the police academy, he had the ability to put his hands on important assassination evidence. These are all unfakeable facts. It doesn't make sense to me to dismiss it all as coincidence and not take them into consideration.

We have a whole other thread on mysterious deaths, and Roscoe's death clearly qualifies as mysterious, yet any possible significance of that is also dismissed. Why? What exactly makes Roscoe and his death different and meaningless compared to other JFK related mysterious deaths?

If Roscoe was just a regular guy, why did the FBI have a file on him at all? It wasn't because Ricky White had come forward. Apparently, the FBI file existed before his story became widely known. So why in the world would they have a file on Roscoe at all? And if he was really was just an average dude, why not release the file in full and unredacted and prove it?

As you can probably tell, I'm having a real hard time imagining that the unredacted FBI file on Roscoe White looks like "He liked barbecue and long walks on the beach. We found nothing suspicious." 45 pages of it, too.

2 hours ago, Robert Morrow said:

After the Roscoe White story became BIG in the early 1990s. 2003. That makes a big difference.

It was almost immediately dismissed as a hoax. Doesn't that make a difference either?

2 hours ago, Robert Morrow said:

I don't put much credence into the Roscoe White story OR the Hargis identification of him. I am not saying I 100% don't believe it, but it is probably baloney.

If it's probably baloney, why do you think the FBI had a file on Roscoe before the story came out, much less 46 pages, 45 of which were withheld or censored? Surely those 45 pages weren't about how White was just an average guy?

1 hour ago, Robert Morrow said:

What year did Bobby Hargis saw this? Was it before or after the Roscoe White story became a hot news item?

After. The interview is from 2003.

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

I think I met him or J. Gary Shaw in the early 1990's in the West End Market Place, at 603 Munger Ave.  Up Houston from the TSBD.  Where the bumper sticker on the wall behind my desk came from.  At the JFK Assassination Information Center.  For a minute or two only, when I purchased the bumper sticker.

That's very cool. I wish I had a chance to visit the Information Center, it's too bad it closed up shop.