Chris Bristow

Sorry Joseph I misread your post and confused it with a similar but different argument. you were not saying the shadows should be parallel. Oswald is leaning and that adds 7 more degrees if he is leaning at 8 degrees. So we should see less convergence. I have reproduced all this in photographic experiments. The camera angle distorts the actual shadow angle too. I think the reason the ghost image seems more skewed is because when you overlay 133c you have to rotate right because Oswald was leaning left and the ghost image was not leaning. Looking at the Dallas cop image I believe the light source is a camera flash not the Sun. One clue is the cops shadow goes all the way up the picket fence and beyond the top of it. So the reason the shadow of the post and Oswald seem to diverge is due to his lean and the camera angle from Marinas chest to the shadow on the ground. That camera angle will cause shadows to lean more however that is not true when the shadow is vertical, then it just shrinks down vertically. But Oswald's shadow starts out at around 18 degrees away from vertical. This means Oswald's shadow will distort greatly while the post shadow which is near vertical will distort much less. This is why the two shadows appear to diverge.

133b is a larger image overall. everything is about 5% bigger. Here is a photo I shopped to add lower legs to 133b. The image is also rotated and adjusted for size. Still I can't see why he appears further forward in 133b yet his head and knees seem to be in the same place relative to the background. Still a mystery there. Once the lower legs are added you see the lower body shadow leans as much as 133a and c yet Oswald is not leaning. Strange. It also puts his feet way in front of the post yet his head and holster line up in the same places.

The fence sits at about 2 degree angle in reality. The Dallas police photos that replicated 133 are a good source for figuring out what the angle. Almost nothing in the photo is straight and it is not easy to figure out. Most agree that 2 degrees to the right is correct. So 133a should be rotated between 1 or 1 1/2 degrees left.

It is suspicious that all three photos match so well. I thought Jack White claimed that they were all the same background. But at the top of the post next to Oswald, on its right side, you can see where the roof of the house next store meets the post just below where the post meets the stairs. It is slightly different in all three photos. So it can't be the same background in all three images. The horizontal position is an exact match. The story was that she did not know how to operate the camera so He walked over and advanced the film for her between shots. I guess it is possible that she stood in the same spot the whole time and that would explain the amazing alignment

Thanks, I have done so many comps of the shadows already I loose track of them. I have found that all the shadows are as they should be, even the nose shadow. The only thing I see wrong with 133a is the lean can't be reproduced if you are careful to match the angle of the foot and hip. Foot at about 45 degrees and the hip at no more than 20 degrees If you keep those angles correct and try to line up your right shin, knee under the belt buckle(location) it is impossible to replicate the lean. I will post a new thead on it soon.

Regarding shadow movement the post shadow moves several inches because the shadow is about 25 feet long. The other shadows max out around 6 feet and so should move less than an inch. But you do see a slight movement.

It was a top view so he held it at her chest and looked down into the viewfinder.

It takes a few days for the azimuth or elevation to change one full degree. I wonder just how precisely we can measure less than one degree considering perspective and camera distortions. I guess you may have 5 days in March and 5 in September.

Yes had to be same day and time or the equinox. Maybe they could be a day off an a bit earlier. The Sun was directly South at 1pm and the shadows would have landed directly North. Before 1pm the shadows would land just West of the steps they represent and after 1pm they would start to fall to the East. The post is below the 8th step and sits next to Oswald but the shadow of the 8th step lands by the picket fence where you can just see the post shadow connecting to the stairs. So the shadows fall Eastward in the right direction. Because the post shadow is hidden from Marina's view we know it represents an azimuth right around 223 based on her estimated position.

The azimuth and elevation are very different when you compare the solstice of December with June, however the equinox of March and September are pretty much the same because the sun is in the same intermediate position. So it could have been September when that ridiculous photo was taken. There are also shadows from the trees in the Southwest corner that are creeping up on Oswald's leg from 133a to c. The shadow is also seen in the lower right corner of 133a. But the comp image looks like there are no shadows being cast and in the winter those trees are bare. That is nice because we can get a good look into the backyard using the google Earth time slider Rant time: It is ridiculous because they rotated it 3 degrees counterclockwise to make it look like he is leaning. If you rotate it to match the picket fence in 133 you find the guy is barely leaning at all. When this gets posted it is often accompanied by the claim that this guy was the same height as Oswald. But if you look at where the stairs line up with the roof of the house behind Oswald you see the camera was maybe 4 inches higher. The head of the guy in the photo sits at the same height as Oswald. So if the camera is higher and yet both men appear to be the same height when compared to the post behind their heads, then the guy in the comparison image has to be taller. End of rant

Curry said he saw the limo coming up on him and he floored it because he was supposed to stay in from of it. He said by the time he reached the West end of the triple pass the limo had caught up to him. At that point he could hear Greer and Hill yelling "Get to Parkland'. His statement about losing the acceleration race seems inconsistent with the slow moving limo. I also get about 24 mph as the speed in the underpass. But the film seems to run a bit slow when viewing people running so maybe it was closer to 35. Maybe the limo slowed to allow Curry to remain in front. Maybe Greer took a long distance to get up speed because of Jackie on the trunk. At frame 363 the Z film has it going 15 mph. If the limo was going very slow at the Stemmons onramp it would explain why the Macintyre photo shows the 3 lead bikes cruising at around 25mph. Riding 3 abreast with Lumkin (center) resting his left hand in his lap. Not something the center bike would do at 45 mph when taking a sharp curve. In case this is of value to anyone I want to point out that in the Jack Daniels film the shadows of the 2 cars directly behind the limo show that Curry fell in behind the limo and in front of the Queen Mary, yet Curry testified that the limo never got in front of his ford Galaxy 500. But by the silhouette of Curry's front bumper and the shadow of the flagpole on the front bumper of the QM show that Curry must have followed the limo up the onramp.

I just did a line of sight for the Latin man. In Bronson he lines up with the Pergola and Bronson's position off Main St.. Match that position to the Z film and he lines up with the wall in the background very close to what we see in the Z film. I don't have any exact marker on the wall to pin it down, but within a foot or two it puts the Latin man just East of the sign and at the curb.

I think the Newman's 2nd child is standing next to Mrs Newman and is blocked by Moorman. Actually I think you can see the child just over the top of Moorman's head. Nix was a couple feet to the left of Bronson and his film reveals Newman's 2nd child to be right next to mrs Newman. Nix was shooting from 5 feet below Bronson's position(Bronson was standing on top of a pillar) so the child's head is not above Morrman's Chism's 2nd child may be standing in front of her. It could also be the flag on the limo but that would allow for the 2nd child's image to be behind or mixed with the flag.

I was surprised to find errors in the West Breneman survey map. The misplaced lane markers like the line near the front left tire in Altgens 6 is well known and all the lane markers East of the one in Altgens 6 are also a couple feet West of there actual positions in '63. What I found recently is that the two lampposts on the East side of Main St are about 10 feet West of there actual positions on 11,22,63. That is a very large error for a survey map. You can verify the error by doing a line of sight for Nix when he pans past the lamppost on the North side of Main St. The lamppost should line up with the right side of the Fort Worth sign according to the map but in reality it comes closer to the stairs just East of the F.T. sign. Images of the lamppost from 11,22 show it is about 10 feet further East than the map shows. That is a pretty large error! So I am wondering if anyone has any other errors to report?

Greer only looked back for a second so unless he hit the brakes really hard I don't think the limo could change speed much. He slowed from about 12mph to 8 mph in that second from frame 290 to 319. I am guessing he let off the gas and tapped the brake. Under normal less stressful conditions the average driver does not let off the gas when they look to the rear for one second.

The Conspiracy theory is that the freshly painted yellow marks on the curb defined the kill zone that Greer was to slow or stop at. The fact that Chaney, Hargis, Chief Curry and the FBI and CIA agents in his back seat all said Chaney rode forward to notify Curry(300 feet ahead of the limo) of the shots fired is another anomaly related to the limo stop. If they did take the limo stop out then there is no time for Chaney to ride up to Curry, then stop and have a short conversation. So the theory is they had to take out Chaney's ride forward too.

Good point and I don't know. If it was meant for the head it might account for about a 12 inch drop from the head to the entrance wound in the back.

That ammo was known for it's unreliability and it is possible that one shot was a bad round that has a much lower velocity. It could also be the reason people heard a firecracker as opposed to a rifle shot. It could also explain how one shot went wild and struck Teague. Not that I believe this is what happened but it is a valid theory.

After doing some experimental photos I found that images taken from the front and rear would have the same distortion in the form of widening angles. Magnification of the lower part of the crack occurs from the front and magnification of the top happens when photographed from the rear but no changes in angles. Then I found the HSCA uncropped photo of the removed windshield and took that angle into account. I also under estimated the angle of the windshield in my first test. After correcting both errors I found the difference in angles between the HSCA and WC photos is exactly what you should expect to see.

I am not alluding to fakery but those photos don't match!. The two top cracks are about 43 degrees apart in the HSCA and almost 65 degrees in the White House garage photo. Adjusting for perspective can spread the HSCA angle out to match the other but then several other cracks are way off. The Garage photo was taken from the front and if the HSCA photo was taken from inside the limo it might explain this. Can someone tell me the source of the HSCA image?

That is a good point in fact I think it makes the gunman theory completely implausible. The shadow of the tree trunk on the grass below means there also has to be a tree trunk right where the gunman image is.

I agree this the first photo is not original. Judging from the lamppost in the background we should see Fosters in the background. Second the North plaque above the route 77 sign on the Stemmons pole has way more space between it and the 77 sign and between it and the Stemmons sign above. And I just noticed the big giveaway, Moorman and Jean hills positions are reversed, Moorman should be on the right of Hill with her orange coat.

I have heard that sometime in the 80's Gary Mack said he was told by several of the people involved that Chaney caught Curry on the Stemmons on ramp, that is where the meeting took place. This is the explanation for why Chaney's ride forward is missing from films, it did not happen in the plaza. There are some big problems with this story. First, Curry had already been notified about shots fired several times. 1. As the shots were being fired both the agents in the back seat each told him what was happening and told him to rush to Parkland. 2. A radio message from the Beast alerts everybody to 'shots fired' 3. Kellerman radios the same message seconds later. 4 Curry sees the limo has floored it and is overtaking his car. 5. Clint hill and Greer both yell' 'get to parkland" when the limo catches up with Curry underneath the triple overpass. Curry testifies that he heard two people from the limo yelling "get to Parkland". At this point Curry and the limo race onto the Stemmons onramp. Now Chaney is supposed to catch up to Curry to tell him that shots have been fired!! How could Chaney think that Curry didn't already know? Chaney has a radio and should have heard the 2 radio calls. But it would also be obvious when the limo and Curry rushed away. Nix shows him stopping right after the head shot so he would have seen everybody reacting as the limo speeds off. Chaney is about to deliver this important message that is extremely time sensitive. Yet instead of using his radio he decides to try and catch Curry who is speeding away. Gary Mack said Curry slowed on the onramp which allowed Chaney to catch up. Did Chaney know that? If not he would have thought there was little hope of catching Curry without a long chase in order to give the most important time sensitive message of his career. Maybe the radio was too full of chatter about the emergency for Chaney to tell Curry about that emergency... Faking all the films would be a monumental task. Was it impossible? I don't know. But when we get stories like Gary Mack's illogical account of the incident it really makes you wonder.

I found this interesting. The alleged Altgens 6 bullet hole has a heart shaped center(Left), and so does this image of a bullet hole in a windshield. I cropped it but several of the holes in that image had the heart shape. I think it has something to do with the angle of the windshield which tends to cause the hole to be bigger at the top,

For anyone not convinced by the photographic proof both Ray and I have provided there is a simple way to resolve this for yourself. Simply walk outside and place two objects about two feet apart. Line up so one object casts it's shadow almost directly behind the object, I.E with the Sun at your back. You will instantly find that shadows can appear to converge exactly as demonstrated in the photographs we provided. This is really a debate we did not need to have because you can prove it to yourself in a couple minutes. If anyone wants to argue this further I would ask that you first spend a couple minutes outside and test the theory.