Micah Mileto

Actually, now that I think about it, it sounds more like the cowlick.

Both could've happened.

Sounds like the EOP.

Yes, but I mean a forced connection. The correct word to use would be "shoved". The probe was shoved from the back wound to the throat wound. Thanks for the other reference to a probe.

In a 8/29/1977 HSCA interview report with autopsy witness James Curtis Jenkins, Jenkins said that he recalled that Dr. Humes "attempted to probe the back wound", but "he said he didn't believe the doctor found that the probe "...penetrated into the chest." https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=329#relPageId=5&tab=page It is unclear whether he's talking about probing with a finger or probing with a rod, because the report goes on to say (on page 8): "Mr. Jenkins recalls Humes trying to probe the wound with his finger which enabled him to reach the end of the wound. He said that around the time of the probing they repeated took x-rays of the area."

I think I have become familiar with the evidence that the autopsy doctors strongly considered the possibility that the throat wound was an exit for a bullet that entered the base of the head, and according to witnesses Lipsey and Robinson, they probed this trajectory through the body. What's even more strange is that a probe was apparently connected from the back wound to the throat wound. It would appear that this occurred during the autopsy, however for some strange reason Humes, Boswell, and Finck never brought this up. Here's a list of evidence I've got so far for this happening - am I missing anything? 1. According to a 1967 CBS memo from Bob Richter, Jim Snyder (a CBS executive?) is a personal friend of Dr. Humes, Humes told him that during the autopsy a probe was connected from the back wound to the throat wound, and that an x-ray was made of this probe. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=597 2. The 8/11/1978 HSCA deposition of photographer Robert L. Knudsen features Knudsen speaking extensively about remembering seeing films of probes going through wounds in the body. Knudsen said that he saw two, and as many as three probes in different photographs going into/through the body. This included a probe seen going from high in the back of the neck to the front of the neck, and probe that went from lower in the back to the front of the neck (saying "the point in the back was a little bit lower than the point in the front"). https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=666#relPageId=23&tab=page audio available here: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/HSCA_Medical_Interviews.html 3. A 8/23/1977 HSCA interview report with autopsy witness Dr. Robert F. Karnei, Jr. says that Karnei recalls the body being probed and photographs of this probing being taken. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=325#relPageId=5&tab=page Furthermore, In a 7/16/1996 testimony with the ARRB, autopsy photographer John Stringer said that although he could not recall taking photographs of probing of the body, he remembered a probe being inserted into the back wound and the throat wound, both which did not exit. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=798&search=probe#relPageId=17&tab=page https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=798&relPageId=36&search=probe

The audio was just posted to the JFK Assassination Forum Youtube channel. Interesting. Hope this thread doesn't prune again.

It's obviously doesn't come close to being as cut-and-dry like Lifton or Horne lets on. The incision in the neck was probably longer than 2-3 centimeters. Why was the trachea deviated to the left?

I don't know. But there is a difference between a tracheotomy/trach incision, like what Perry and friends remember as being about 2-3 centimeters, and the incision on the neck. If there was any cutting of the strap muscles on the sides of the windpipe, that really sounds to me like that could be consistent with the meaty wound in the autopsy photos. If Lifton let on in his 1966 interviews that he was talking about the neck incision, not just the windpipe incision, then the doctors may have said "oh yeah, if that's what you're talking about, that was longer than 5 centimeters".

Look at the location of the strap muscles in relation to the length of the chin. My chin is about 5 centimeters. If Dr. Perry was cutting both sides of the strap muscles, that sounds like it could totally be consistent with the 6.5 cm wound with widely gaping, irregular edges if you also consider the insertion and removal of the trach tube.

If Perry was severing the strap muscles, it sounds like we're talking about an incision on the neck at least 5 centimeters.

Yes, but it really sounds like the trach incision is being talked about as a completely different thing than the anterior neck incision.

So where's the beef? Why should I suspect that the throat wound was illicitly probed/tampered with before the official autopsy?

From what I understand, this is one of the most overblown issues in all of JFK medical evidence. When Dr. Perry, Dr. Carrico, and Dr. Baxter say that the trach incision was certainly less than 4 centimeters, it seems like they consider the trachea incision a completely separate thing from the slit incised across the neck. Mr. SPECTER - Dr. Perry, you mentioned an injury to the trachea. Will you describe that as precisely as you can, please? Dr. PERRY - Yes. Once the transverse incision through the skin and subcutaneous tissues was made, it was necessary to separate the strap muscles covering the anterior muscles of the windpipe and thyroid. At that point the trachea was noted to be deviated slightly to the left and I found it necessary to sever the exterior strap muscles on the other side to reach the trachea. I noticed a small ragged laceration of the trachea on the anterior lateral right side. I could see the endotracheal tube which had been placed by Dr. Carrico in the wound, but there was evidence of air and blood around the tube because I noted the cuff was just above the injury to the trachea. Severing the exterior strap muscles? Most diagrams of this show those on the sides of the level of the chin. My chin is at least 5 centimeters across. This could all have a simple, common sense explanation.

Ain't messin with that lol

It explains the shallow back wound.

That makes total sense. I wonder if that could explain some of the gunpowder witnesses.

Does anybody have a copy of the O'Connor's Florida newspaper interview(s)?

https://www.amazon.com/Reporter-Who-Knew-Too-Much/dp/1682610977/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476925509&sr=8-1&keywords=Dorothy+Kilgallen The Reporter Who Knew Too Much: The Mysterious Death of What's My Line TV Star and Medic Icon Dorothy Kilgallen by Mike Shaw Trailer for the book: Looks very promising, a good source to settle old information and present new evidence.

Is the "half dollar bill" issue a commonly accepted aspect of LHO lore? http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/22/2288-001.gif http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0105a.htm The DPD note doesn't refer to where these dollar bills were found, but Oswald's wallet (the one he was arrested with?) had a partially ripped whole bill. All three artifacts apparently had strange three-digit numbers written on them - "180", "221", and "300". A similar situation has been proposed with the box top found in his pocket.

Is there stuff in the book about how generally gross LBJ was, obsessed with his private parts, the toilet, etc.?

Is there some kind of journal where someone could one day publish a peer-reviewed article proving that the backyard photographs were most likely taken with a tripod?

That would put the EOP wound down to the neck.

Pat, I was inspired by your book to buy a human skull replica. I tried replicating the photos. While the placement of the shot glass and dime aren't right, I used the tool image overlay utility to compare it to the F8 photo, and the elliptical shape of the dime is a perfect match for the drainage hole. The shot glass also fits very well. The virtual "EOP wound" is a 15x6mm piece of blue tape. Imgur album links: https://imgur.com/a/WvCtp https://imgur.com/a/qeGPd If I can find a way to connect the live feed from my digital camera's display to my computer monitor, I can use the image overlay utility to perhaps create a 100% perfect match for the open-cranium photographs.

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