Michael Clark

6 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Jason,

These FBI documents are getting warmer, but are still fairly cold regarding the JFK Assassination and General Walker.

1. General Walker had hundreds of thousands of fans coast to coast. The Major Media recognized this, as with this Newsweek cover:

Walker was considered so powerful a speaker (to the Choir) that a famous movie was made about him -- namely -- Seven Days in May -- which JFK and RFK liked so well, that they gave concessions to the producers to use the White House for some scenes.

JFK and RFK were so worried about Ex-General Walker in early 1962, that when Walker appeared before the Senate Subcommittee on Military Preparedness in April, 1962, that JFK and RFK personally ordered no television or radio be allowed in the Senate room. (They later realized that they made a mistake, because Walker made a jackass of himself in those hearings. Walker could speak to the Choir, but not under cross-examination.)

The point is that we today have tremendous difficulty grasping how famous General Walker was in 1962. This was his glory year. He could have had the world, if he played his cards right. His first step was Texas Governor, if he could take it. Chances are, if he had listened better to HL Hunt, he could have taken the office.

Basically, Walker hardly campaigned at all! He didn't even write a platform! When the press asked him, "What is your platform, General?" Walker replied, "The State Constitution of Texas," and left it at that. So, he was a famous figure -- he was a famous speaker -- he thrilled his crowds, according to many writers. (He spoke something like Rush Limbaugh spoke during the Obama Administration.) Yet he was not a well-read politician. He was a General, and so he simply expected to be taken at his word. Oh, well.

2. The FBI was tracking General Walker very closely -- but they also relied on their local FBI offices. J. Edgar Hoover had a lot of good data from Louisiana and Mississippi -- but when it came to Texas. Hoover had less data -- this is (IMHO) because James Hosty had TURNED in 1962, and had begun to support General Walker himself. So did Forrest Sorrels. Dallas had a culture of Right-wing activity, and although it was illegal for Federal agents to join Radical Right groups that spoke about taking over the US Government -- the atmosphere in Dallas was intoxicating, evidently.

James Hosty kept crucial data about General Walker away from the FBI Director. Upon reflection -- this contradicts my old belief, that FBI records will reflect my CT. Insofar as James Hosty withheld, or even destroyed, crucial information about General Walker in Dallas, then I may be waiting in vain to find any smoking gun within FBI documents by the FBI about General Walker. So, this is painful, but instructive for me.

3. Edwin Walker still thinks he has a chance in US Politics -- far beyond his useful years. He thinks a great deal of himself. By 1970 he is still sending letters to Senators and Presidents -- long after they have come to think of him as a "crazy old coot."

4. Edwin Walker sending advice to Richard Nixon is like a great-grandfather sending his great-grandson advice in college. Walker never knew when to quit. Why not? Because he was disoriented starting with Little Rock Arkansas in 1959, when he joined the John Birch Society, soon after it was formed.

We must remember that Walker was gay all his life -- and yet he rose to the office of US Army General. This means that if he was in the closet throughout his military career (which he was) that he was even MORE in the closet after he became a General.

Walker wanted to quit the US Military in 1959 -- but Ike denied his request and moved Walker to Germany. Walker was a US officer, so he followed orders as usual. The real problem with Germany was the Overseas Weekly newspaper guys needling Walker because he was gay. They never printed it, but they continually threatened to do that by their behavior and jeers. Germany was a living nightmare for Walker (except on the weekends).

Why didn't Walker just Retire from the US Army, and move to Germany where he could come out of the closet? That's a mystery. He should have done that. Anyway, he was forced to give up his post by the PENTAGON, not by JFK. Walker started a shore flap on the Berlin border, and that was stupid. The Pentagon could not trust that sort of poor judgment so close to the Berlin wall. Walker was out.

Walker could have Retired at that point, and then come out of the closet there in gay-friendly Germany. But he didn't. Instead -- and nobody can explain this -- he RESIGNED from the Army, which means he gave up his 30 year Army Pension. What the heck? There was no good reason for that. Walker's judgment had become impaired, IMHO, by four centuries in the closet.

He ran for Texas Governor in 1962, on the dime of HL Hunt. There were politicians in Washington who vowed to back him if he ran on the Republican Ticket, which even in those days was gaining the Conservative vote. Walker decided that a Dixiecrat style Democrat was what he wanted to be.

Then, Walker completely make a fool of himself before the Senate Subcommittee in April 1962. He said he expected some great General (like MacArthur) to run to his side -- but not a single one did.

He decided to start a massive race riot at Ole Miss in September, 1962, against the advice of HL Hunt, and even against the advice of Robert Welch, the leader of the John Birch Society. In his Grand Jury transcripts, still stored at UT Austin, he expressed joy at leading the students to riot against the Federal Troops that JFK sent to defend James Meredith's right to go to school there. They rushed to him for advice, and he expressed such joy at the battle.

Frankly -- after he left the US Army, Walker showed an increasing string of bad decisions. He was just a nut by many measures. Yet he was still shrewd as a jungle lion when he came to fighting -- and he could still lead troops to battle.

All best,
--Paul

The alternate lifestyle of Walker should be explored more thoroughly. It is amazing that he advanced as far as he did, and as a right winger no less.

May 6, 2018

13 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Tague is one more street over Mike. Your running man can be seen in Bell on the middle grass section... Tague can be seen here in Dillard...

Excellent, Thanks David.

May 6, 2018

Can any reaearhers comment from their experience on a few questions about a document that I will post, as an example....

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/docid-32303569.pdf

P. 11 and. 12 (PDF) 59 and 60 (typed) are missing from this document.

questions....

- would the archives be responsive to an inquiry as to whether the missing pages exist in their collection?

- would the archives be responsive to an inquiry as to whether the missing pages exist anywhere?

- would the archives be responsive to an inquiry as to why the pages are missing?

- would the archives be responsive to request to provide the missing pages?

Thoughts?

May 6, 2018

I am thinking that this guy was wounded and running desperately away from Tague's position. I am calling him "Wounded and Running Man". This speaks to a shooting position from the lower floors of the Dal-Tex building or thereabouts.

I also think that WRM can be seen being tended-to by bystanders at the beginning of the Daniel film.

May 6, 2018

3 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

@ 6:30 Blunt says that John Armstrong is on solid ground with 2 Oswalds in NYC.

@ 13:45 He makes the "baby and bathwater analogy

@ 15:50 Betsy Wolf HSCA investigator (focus on office of security)

@ 23:00 boxes of US attorny's office witness statements missing at NARA

@ 32:30 talk of how Oswalds USSR visit info was manipulated in 1959 (mole hunt)

@ 36:20 FBI was able to beat the CIA in gathering Oswald info. Hoover knew of LHO

@ 37:17 INS documents gone

@44:10 CIA co-opted INS employees

@45:10 JFK re-working banking industry. Wanted his own monetary policy

Thanks Bart, Excellent interview!

May 6, 2018

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=19084&relPageId=4

CRICHARD

JOUVENOY

KUTUBE / D

RYBAT LAURICLE KRCORN

May 6, 2018

Thread Post 6

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10142-10171.pdf

15-21

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/180-10145-10280.pdf

Handwritten

15-21

15-1. (London, as per thread Post 15)

14-2

May 6, 2018

Thread post 5

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10179-10031.pdf

20 - 2

20 - 1

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10179-10031.pdf

20 - 1 London

20 - 2 Madrid

This is one of those situations that lead me to believe that 20 - codes refer to CIA HQ in a given City, or possibly a consulate or embassy. These city’s have dual codes with the city having one code and another to designate the specific location like an embassy or HQ.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10146-10279.pdf

20-1. Context indicates London

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https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10167-10334.pdf

15-1

20-1

May 6, 2018

His obituary pages indicated that he apparently lived in Dallas when he died.

May 6, 2018

Fink's ARRB testimony.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/fincka.htm

May 6, 2018

May 6, 2018

In 1959 Finck was sent to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington. The following year he was appointed Chief of the Wound Ballistics Pathology Branch of the institute.

According to Harold A. Rydberg Finck was involved in testifying in the William Pitzer and William Calley cases.

May 6, 2018

Pierre Antoine Finck

John Simkin (john@spartacus-educational.com)

Pierre Antoine Finck studied at the University of Geneva Medical School. After graduating in 1948 he spent two years at the Institute of Pathology in Geneva before moving to the United States where he continued his studies at the University of Tennessee Medical School.

In 1955 Finck was drafted into the United States Army. He was sent to Germany and became a pathologist at the U.S. Army hospital in Frankfurt. In 1959 Finck was sent to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington. The following year he was appointed Chief of the Wound Ballistics Pathology Branch of the institute.

When John F. Kennedy was assassinated on 22nd November, 1963, his body was taken to Bethesda Naval Hospital. Finck received a phone-call from Joseph Humes asking him to help him and Thornton Boswell with the autopsy of Kennedy.

Finck was interviewed by the Warren Commission where he testified that he believed Kennedy was "shot from the rear". He added "the bullet entered in the back of the head and went out on the right side of his skull." After further questioning from Arlen Specter, Finck claimed that Kennedy had been shot from behind and above.

In 1964 Finck appeared as an expert medical witness before the International Commission of Jurists in Panama. He argued that the gunshot victims were not killed by American soldiers. Finck also worked as a consultant to the FBI. According to Harold A. Rydberg Finck was involved in testifying in the William Pitzer and William Calley cases.

Finck was also associated with the International Police Academy (IPA). It had originally been established by the CIA in Panama. Later the IPA moved to Washington where it was engaged in training police forces from the Third World. Finck worked as a lecturer at the IPA.

On 24th May, 1996, Finck provided a deposition to the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB). During his interview he could not explain what happened to the notes he made during the autopsy of John F. Kennedy. He also admitted that he did not carry out other procedures that were standard in autopsies such as recording the measurements in writing during the autopsy or removing and weighing the organs damaged by the bullets entering the body. Nor did he examine the clothing Kennedy was wearing. Finck also admitted that he did not speak with the doctors who had treated Kennedy in Dallas?

Finck's testimony conflicted with that of Joseph Humes and Thornton Boswell. As one newspaper pointed out: "Two doctors, J. Thornton Boswell and James Humes, told the review board that the brain exam occurred two or three days after Kennedy's death. Initially, Humes told the Warren Commission that he, Boswell and a third pathologist, Dr. Pierre Finck, were present when the brain was examined. But when he testified to the review board in 1996, Humes did not list Finck among those present. Boswell maintains Finck was not there. On the other hand, Finck says the brain exam did not occur until much later."

The conflicting testimony caused Douglas Horne, chief analyst for military records, to conclude in a 32-page memo that two separate brain exams may have been conducted, "contrary to the official record as it has been presented to the American people... If true, Dr. Finck's account of a brain exam separate and distinct from the first one would mean that Drs. Humes and Boswell were present at two different brain exams".

May 6, 2018

On 4/26/2018 at 7:13 PM, Michael Clark said:

Very interesting stuff.

QJWIN = Mankel ?

And, for reference...

Agent OJBANNER-5 (P.6)

QJWIN recruited in Frankfurt, 1, Nov., 1960; for operations in Leopoldville ..." for a one shot assassination attempt in the Belgian Congo". (p.8)

KUBARK, LAURICLE, KTUBE/D, John Rallston -- William Walker, aka Johnny Roselli ( p.10, 11)

Hanna Yazbeck, Beirut, with "an available pool of assassins" (p.13)

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/157-10003-10490.pdf

May 5, 2018

15 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

I thought that the penny would have dropped by now, I have given you enough hints.

I have no idea who McClendon is.

You keep mentioning his name.

Look at the two lines of mine that you quoted. It is proof that you are not reading what I am writing.

If you can't do that and now figure it all out, well, it's best to end this conversation.

Paul, you are spelling the name incorrectly.

May 5, 2018

4 hours ago, Mark Knight said:

There is an abundance of faulty "if/then" logic posted from time to time on this forum. Examples:

If Oswald shot at General Walker, then he's guilty of the Kennedy assassination.

If Oswald shot JFK, then he's also guilty of killing Tippit's.

If Oswald shot Tippit's, than he's guilty of the JFK murder.

There is PLENTY of sound logic in some "if/then" statements.

If security at the DPD had been adequate, Oswald wouldn't have been murdered in the basement.

Faulty logic also includes:

If you don't buy the Warren Commission conclusions, then you're a ___________ (fill in the blank) -did-it conspiracy theorist.

Few people here actually go to the lengths that James Gordon did in investigating Connally's wounds. "Tangential strike" on the rib; who else here has gone so far as to attempt to model exactly what that meant, using 3d human torso software?

We all too often fall for faulty logic because we don't take the time to research on more than just a surface level. When someone DOES take the time and make the effort, often we fail to consider their work because we seem to be "married" to our own pet theories.

Unlike the Warren Commission, how many of us honestly start with the evidence, rather than starting with a conclusion and working backwards?

Just something to think about.

35 minutes ago, Michael Walton said:

So what kind of post is this really, Mark? I.....

.............

So this is something for you to think about as well. Or put another way, isn't this thread just preaching to the choir?

Hi Mark,

Apparentlly this is too much for a particular member to get his head around and since I have seen the same fallacies I wanted to chime in about a particular one, the non sequitur.

non se·qui·tur

ˌnän ˈsekwədər/

noun

a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

Your first three examples are examples are non sequiturs, and it is painful to see Wallton's inability to understand what you are saying.

If Oswald shot at General Walker, then he's guilty of the Kennedy assassination.

If Oswald shot JFK, then he's also guilty of killing Tippit's.

If Oswald shot Tippit's, than he's guilty of the JFK murder.

And, of course, Walton felt the need to shuffle through his same old, tired hit list, it never fails.

May 5, 2018

33 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

What an interesting thread. I’m posting because I do t see the logic in Bill Kelly’s statement. I agree with him on his first comment though, which is if you’re going to assassinate a president you’re not going to use a bunch of washed up Bay of Pigs mercenary Cuban Mafia yahoos. But things have changed, and Blackwater is exactly who you would use now. Which brings me to my point. I think Bill Kelly and I might agree (I’m not speaking for him - perhaps he’ll sign on and contribute) that the JFK assassination was a military operation. But would real Navy Seals have been used at Dealey Plaza? Why wouldn’t the hit team be outsourced?

interesting are the posts about Erik Prince, since he is still with us. I read somewhere that the reason Comey reopened the Clinton email controversy shortly before the election was that Prince was spreading the rumor in right wing media that Wiener’s emails contained very damaging info on Clinton, which turned out to be untrue. In a very real sense Prince helped Trump get elected.

This is not a criticism Paul..... I don't understand why you don't use the quote button. To make it clear what you are responding to is one reason to use it. But another reason to do so is that the quoted party will receive notification if that feature is enabled, in this case, Bill Kelly.

May 5, 2018

4 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

I’m not exactly sure what you mean. But in any case I don’t see strict divisions between branches of military, or between military and CIA. They work together.

Ok.

You said: "Who ordered the hit? I believe the pecking order is Pentagon first, in this case the US Army. "

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