John Butler

Joseph, Was she ever questioned on her changed stories, and if so what did she say? I felt sympathy for her because of the hard time she was given in telling her story. I think most of her problems were her own fault by telling one story and then later repudiating that story by agreeing with what Mary Moorman and others said. Was it fear that made her change her story or simply peoples disbelief in what she was saying in her changed story? There is another problem with the first reports of Mary and Jean. As soon as I write that I will post it.

In another thread I used Z 138 to illustrate something. While doing that I noticed that the Johnson security vehicle was correctly portrayed with its top going in the right direction. So, I went and looked at other Z frames and saw that the top of the vehicle is portrayed correctly from Z 138 to about Z frame 155. In later frames particularly Z 157-160 the top is reversed. That is one strange copying error.

Thanks David for correcting that. If you were an alcoholic like myself when you were younger the order was not important. Shot of whiskey before, after, during drinking a beer was quite acceptable. It's like that old drinking song. If I were a duck and the ocean was whiskey I would fly to the bottom and never come up. But, I did.

I feel that I need to review this controversy over what Jean Hill first said. Jean Hill and Mary Moorman’s first statements on 11-22-63 at the Sheriff’s Office Jean Hill was a much maligned and discredited witness to some, mainly those who believed in the Official Story. She was accused of misrepresenting the truth. It is true that Jean did say things in her first testimony that fueled these beliefs. On the other hand, there were many who held Jean Hill to be an honest and truthful witness. In 1992 Jean Hill and Robert Sloan published a book called JFK The Last Dissenting witness. On the first or front page of the book there were many renown researchers who held a positive opinion of Jean Hill. Oliver Stone was particularly complimentary In JFK: The Last Dissenting Witness: So, what caused these divergent opinions? It is what Jean Hill is reputed to have said in the first statement she made at the Dallas County Sheriff’s Office directly after the assassination. She said that she was down by the Grassy Knoll (she may have coined this term) with Mary Moorman. She said they were halfway down to the railroad bridge. Mary Moorman said essentially the same thing as far as their location is concerned. As far as I know Mary Moorman never changed this location. Jean Hill did. And, that is where some of the controversy surrounding Jean Hill begins. Location, Location, Location As we have seen from these two, first day statements, both Mary and Jean agree they were in the grass across Elm Street from the Grassy Knoll. Jean later begins to change her testimony to something different. In this FBI report of 11-23-63 she states she was in the vicinity of the Texas School Book Depository. And, in March she made another FBI statement on the 18th. In this statement she was more explicit in locating herself nearer to the TSBD than the Grassy Knoll. Again, on the 24th of March, 1963, while making a statement for the Warren Commission, she gave a location different than the one she originally gave on 11-22-63 at the Sheriff’s Office. This statement was more explicit than the March 18, 1964 FBI statement. At this questioning for the WC, she said in her book this was an extreme, adversarial interview with the WC’s interrogator, Arlen Specter. From her Warren Commission testimony we have this: Jean Hill- WC testimony, 24 March 1964 … Mr. SPECTER - Would you draw a diagram for me in rough outline, starting with Houston Street--- Mrs. HILL - Yes; but I can't do this very well. Mr. SPECTER - Permit me to draw an outline, then, to get your bearing here and realizing that I want your recollection, and I'll ask you the questions. Assume that Houston Street is the street which I am marking Houston. Assume that this is Main Street. Assume that Elm Street curves down in the manner that I am drawing and marking. Mrs. HILL - All right. Mr. SPECTER - Assume that the Texas School Book Depository is this large building which I will mark "TSBD." Now, would you place with the letter "A" where you were at the time the President went by? Mrs. HILL - Well, I would have to place the President first. Mr. SPECTER - Fine---place him with the letter "X". Mrs. HILL - All right--if he were here--- Mr. SPECTER - Now, was he in the center of the street or on the side of the street? Mrs. HILL - He was on the side he wasn't just completely over there, but he was past the center of the street and we were--- Mr. SPECTER - Now, place yourself with the letter "A". Mrs. HILL - Right there [indicating]. Mr. SPECTER - Make it a big printed "A" for us. Mrs. HILL - Okay. [Complied with request of counsel Specter.] Mr. SPECTER - Now, would you place the position you ran to after the President's car went by? Mrs. HILL - By that time, I'm sure the car was here it was on down a little way and I ran behind here. Mr. SPECTER - Draw a line to where you ran. Mrs. HILL - All right--I don't know whether I've got this just right--but I ran approximately right up through here. Mr. SPECTER - Put a "B" here where you were when you came to a stop on the other side of the street. Mrs. HILL - These steps. Mr. SPECTER - Now, where were you when you first noticed the Mrs. HILL - These steps that go up--I guess you've looked at the site, there are some steps down there that go up to that promenade, or whatever you call it. Mr. SPECTER - That go in a generally westerly direction? Mrs. HILL - Yes. Mr. SPECTER - Beyond the Texas School Book Depository Building? Mrs. HILL - Yes; and I was just on this side Mr. SPECTER - "This side"---you are meaning---the east of it? Mrs. HILL - The east of it. Mr. SPECTER - Were you beyond the westernmost point of the Texas School Book Depository Building? Mrs. HILL - No. Mr. SPECTER - You were still in front of that building? Mrs. HILL - That's right. Mr. SPECTER - Now, is the letter "B" now in the position where you were when you first saw that man? Mrs. HILL - Yes. Mr. SPECTER - Where was that man, indicating with the letter "C," where he was? He was very close to you? Mrs. HILL - Well, he was at the top of this hill---you don't leave me any space in here I mean, there's a distance in here greater than what is shown here. Mr. SPECTER - He was between Elm Street and the Depository Building? Mrs. HILL - Yes. Mr. SPECTER - And where did you see him going? Mrs. HILL - I saw him go toward the tracks, toward the railroad tracks to the west? … Mr. SPECTER - For the purposes of the record, this diagram which was used during the deposition of Mrs. Hill will be marked Hill Exhibit No. 5. (Instrument referred to marked by the reporter as Hill Exhibit No. 5, for identification.) This is what Hill Exhibit No. 5 looks like: There is some controversy in how this exhibit is seen and analyzed. This is my interpretation and the one that I think is correct. Jean places herself and Mary across Elm Street from the SW Corner of the TSBD. If you look at this crop of the exhibit you will see that she places herself across from a crowd of people “D” under the trees at the TSBD’s SW corner and not the extension of the TSBD. This is quite a bit different then her first statemen down by the Grassy Knoll with Mary. Why did she change her location? And, a more important question is why did she change her location in later years back to her first statement? Going back to this “across from the TSBD location”, if we looked at the Zapruder film we would see the location she described in Z frame 138 and see someone who does not look like Mary or Jean, but acts out what they said they did. If Jean Hill’s Hill Exhibit No. 5 is true then Z 138 will show the true location: No one believes what Jean says in these later testimonies. No one believes that the tall, grey-haired lady with a hat is Jean Hill. No one believes that the shorter lady with the reddish hair is Mary Moorman. Mary Moorman consistently said she was down by the Grassy Knoll throughout the years. Jean changed her testimony to what she originally said in her first statement at the Sheriff’s Office on her location. This location, down by the Grassy Knoll, is repeated several times in her book, JFK The Last Dissenting Witness. So, why did Jean change her location in the first instance? She said in her book on page 32 the following: Was confused, naïve Jean Hill manipulated into signing a statement she did not make? What part did Mary Moorman play in this? Was she too manipulating Jean Hill through her Sheriff’s Office friends? Did she ask Jean Hill to wear her red raincoat that day? Or, was this something Jean Hill made up to explain her change in testimony location? All of these questions are speculative, but are ones that could be asked. Is there any evidence to support Jean Hills change of location from the Grassy Knoll? 1. The WC testimony in which she fought Arlen Hill to say she was in front of the TSBD and not the Grassy Knoll. 2. She began to change her testimony on location in other statements such as the FBI statement of 3-18-64. 3. If the tall, grey-haired woman in Z 138 is Jean Hill, then you can see she is in the grass or on the lawn as she said. You can also see "Mary Moorman" coming to the sidewalk from the street. These two women act out the testimony of the two. Zapruder shows that these two were essentially motionless as the p. limo passed by. 4. Vickie Adams on the 4th floor said she heard someone call out to the President as the p. limo was passing by. Was this Jean Hill with “Hey, Mr. President?”. 5. If Jean Hill was down by the Grassy Knoll Vickie Adams would not have heard her to the distance, and crowd, and motorcade noise. All of this is cancelled when she later said in her book and in film and on TV that she was in front of the Grassy Knoll. This is just one thing that made Jean Hill and consequently Mary Moorman controversial. There are other things that were said in their first statement that need to be discussed.

Sandy, This is one of the reasons, and there are many, that I have tried to drop out of this thread. Jeremy's outrageous claims and insults have become boring. There is no answer you can give that will satisfy his need to need to deny that the Zapruder film and others have been altered. OBTW, I asked Ray what was a "chaser". To me a chaser is a shot of whiskey after a beer, but thought it might be some Brit slang. It's a shame he didn't answer. Another thing I might add is the BB Lady had a fairly large black box camera and the Lady in Blue looks like she has a smaller camera of a different design.

I'll say ditto even though I don't have the tech experience or knowledge. The following uses John Costella's frames for Zapruder images. And, Wilma Bond's photo of the BB Lady. As you can see the colors do not change with overexposure. Toni Foster's tan raincoat does not turn blue and Mary's dark blue raincoat does not turn tan. The same goes for the Lady in Blue frame. Her dress does not turn tan. The colors retain some degree of the original color when overexposed. In the Bond photo the BB Lady's raincoat does not turn blue. Mary and the policemen's dark blue clothing does not turn tan. In Z 288 the Lady in Blues short sleeve dress does not turn into a tan raincoat. The p. limo's color does not become tan. OBTW, how do you turn a short sleeve blue dress into a long sleeve tan raincoat? One fellow some years back tackled that notion by saying the Lady in Blue wore a blue dress in front and a tan dress in back. He said it was very fashionable in those times. But, that explanation didn't explain the short sleeve blue dress/long sleeve tan raincoat problem. It also didn't explain how you can turn a black head band into a head scarf, or as my dear old mother would say a babushka. Surely, this will be my last comment in this highly brilliant, gaslighted thread. Exempt Chris Davidson, David Healey, Sandy Larsen from this comment and others who are rational.

On the Trail of the Babushka Lady The Babushka Lady or Women, as you sometimes see, is a complicated, mysterious person. Mysterious in the sense that we don’t know who this woman was. I believe I can track the BB Lady from the NE corner of Main and Houston Streets to the area between Elm Street and Main Street in front of the Grassy Knoll after the assassination. The BB Lady’s journey is complicated by the Zapruder film. She is not in the film. Instead, we have a figure I have named the Lady in Blue. Since the Zapruder film is the holy grail, or gold standard of the Official Story, the BB Lady was not in Dealey Plaza even though other films show her there. Who are you going to believe? Zapruder or other films. We can find the BB Lady on the NE corner of Main and Houston streets before the presidential motorcade arrives. Altgens 4 shows a woman wearing a head scarf standing on that corner. She is wearing sun glasses. I believe this nameless woman is the BB Lady. Altgens 3 shows the larger area: This woman can also be seen in the Marie Muchmore film standing on the NE corner of Main and Houston Streets as the first elements of the presidential motorcade arrives. She can be seen in various films during the assassination, Muchmore and Bronson are examples: However, there is evidence that says the BB Lady arrived in Dealey Plaza after the assassination. First off, she is not in the Zapruder film. A Hughes frame shows her moving towards Dealey Plaza. This may not be the BB Lady since the color of her rain coat is different. Or this could simply be a color distortion. I believe the head scarf could be the same color which has purplish designs. The hair style also matches. She has a pursed strapped to her shoulder that you can see better in other photos. The BB Lady arrives in Dealey Plaza after the assassination as she was shown in a Cancellare photo. If you look closely you can see her sun glasses. And, here are other shots of her once she is in Dealey Plaza: All of the photos of the BB Lady show her with her back to the camera except for three. These are Algens 4, a Hughes frame, and the Cancellare photo. She does have a camera in Dealey Plaza. Her photos were never seen and her camera was not taken from her. In this Muchmore frame the BB Lady doesn’t have her purse and seems a bit transparent. The Babushka Lady as seen in various films is a fabrication, particularly shown in the Marie Muchmore film.

Finally, something to agree on here. The comments in this thread have become unbelievably bizarre. I think I will drop out of this nonsense. But, one last comment on the BB Lady.

What is a chaser?

Seeing is believing? Jeremy B. puts it all down to film copying errors, faded films, and twisted imagination. You can not deny the Lady in Blue see in Zapruder frames Z 275 to Z 296. According to Jeremy B., this is a consistent copying error that lasts for 21 frames. You don't see a short sleeve, dark blue dress. You don't see a back head band. You don't see blond hair. And, you don't see a white belt. She always faces the camera. According to Jeremy B., you see a woman in a tan raincoat with long sleeves. She has a head scarf. And, she is always turned away from the camera once she is seen in Dealey Plaza. I would guess Jeremy B. thinks the copying errors created the short sleeve blue dress out of a long sleeve tan raincoat. Any color difference are from just faded copies of the film. Sean, I might ask where is the BB Lady in the middle photo?

It is to legitimize the BB Lady being in Dealey Plaza as shown in other films. Phil's slide is important since it shows both the BB Lady and the Lady in Blue. It is a recognition that they were two different people. I believe different crews worked on the media of Dealey Plaza. This crew didn't have the story of the replacement of the Lady in Blue by the BB Lady. Another idea popped into my mind. If you look at the Lady in Blue in Phil's Slide you will see that she has a very wide figure. I would propose that the BB Lady is much slenderer and would not be an easy overlay. There would be additional work on the grass so easier to put her in there and cover most of her with another figure. I contend that she wasn't there and this was simply another opportunity to place her there.

The Bond photos are taken after the assassination by about a minute more or less. There is time to move around. I have never made that connection about total strangers. I believe you are corrrect. It is not likely at all. Here's a photo that has the BB Lady and the Lady in Blue at the same time. It is Willis Slide No. 7. It's at about the same time as the Bond photos. If you magnify this blurry image you will see that the BB Lady may be spliced into the scene. Crop and mag of the above scene: It is all blurry and difficult to determine. But, I do believe we have the BB Lady and the Lady in Blue in the same scene. The Government had Phil's slides for some time. The story of the Babushka Lady is a complicated one. I don't believe she arrived in the Dealey Plaza area until after the assassination and not before. Here is a Cancellare photo crop showing she was late to the scene of the assassination. I believe I can track her progress into the assassination scene area with the Muchmore film, Hughes films, and this photo.

Jim, Sorry. I am confusing two different streets. So, ignore my last question. Great piece on the info on the shooting of Harvey Oswald. More detail than I have seen any where else.

Jim, In one of the photos the Western Union building and the City Hall building are shown. Down the street I think I see the Triple Underpass. Is the white building the one after the Western Union building the Court House building? I'm just trying to make sense of this: Any comment?

Jonathan, Why would you believe that? Most folks I known in the Harvey and Lee research field point to Harvey Oswald as the one killed by Jack Ruby and offer extensive and convincing evidence that Jack Ruby shot the man known as Harvey Oswald and not the original Lee Harvey Oswald. Can you offer more or fill out with more detail what you are talking about.

I can't believe what I am reading. Setting aside the insults. Jeremy just has to be kidding. This is the ..... I don't even think he is color blind. So, a question or two to find out. What color clothing was the BB Lady wearing? She had a tan raincoat and a head scarf. What color clothing did the woman in the Zapruder film have? She had on a short sleeve, dark blue dress. Her hair was blond and held by a black head band. She did not have a head scarf. Here is a Bond photo showing the BB Lady and a Zapruder frame showing the Lady in Blue. They are different people. I wonder if Jeremy believes if he just throws up something in opposition that people will take that seriously. I will say it once more. The Zapruder film does not contain an image of the Babushka Lady. It has an image of a woman in a blue dress who I believe is Tammi True and an associate of Jack Ruby.

My question is how long was Jackie on the trunk? I just checked the Z frames and it seems she was there to about z 466-67. Your eyes are the best. So, can you take a look at that Weigman frame and see if you see any railroad men and Officer Foster on the railroad bridge above Elm Street. I can't see any. This has profound consequences for the railroad men's testimony with Mark Lane. There are other frames and photos that I think show the absence of the railroad men in that area contrary to Altgens 7. I believe the railroad men were there. At least some of them were there. I believe they were just off the bridge to the north. They would have been able to see what they testified too. But, maybe after the fact and seeing Altgens 7 they thought they were there as shown in Altgens 7.

This is the one thing I can agree with you on and I would add the official story crowd.

Sorry, About Beverly Oliver being Betty Oliver. I seem to make that mistake all the time when I don't review her material. And, even when I do as in this case. TESTIMONY OF MRS. JEAN LOLLIS HILL The testimony of Mrs. Jean Lollis Hill was taken at 2:30 p.m., on March 24, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Arlen Specter, assistant counsel of the President’s Commission. …. “Mrs. Hill. Well, as they came toward us, we had been taking pictures with this Polaroid camera and since it was a Polaroid we knew we had only one chance to get a picture, and at the time she had taken a picture just a few minutes before and I had grabbed it out of the camera and wrapped it and put it in my pocket. Just about that time he drew even with us. Mr. Specter. And when you say “he” you mean? Mrs. Hill. The President’s car. We were standing on the curb and I jumped to the edge of the street and yelled, “Hey, we want to take your picture,” to him and he was looking down in the seat — he and Mrs. Kennedy and their heads were turned toward the middle of the car looking down at something in the seat, which later turned out to be the roses, and I was so afraid he was going to look the other way because there were a lot of people across the street and 206 we were, as far as I know, we were the only people down there in that area, and just as I yelled, “Hey,” to him, he started to brim? his head up to look at me and just as he did the shot rang out. Mary took the picture and fell on the ground and of course there were more shots.” JB: I wasn’t aware of Mary Woodward and her group shouting at the President for his attention. I believe they said they were clapping and cheering. As best as I can make out these folks were part of Mannikin Row near the second street light and Stemmons sign. The motorcade made a lot of noise and there was crowd noise. I don't believe Vickie Adams could have heard Woodward and group if they called out "Hey Mr. President", And, she surely would not have heard Jean Hill call out to the president near the Grassy Knoll. Also, your gold standard, the Zapruder Film does not show this. Jean in the film justs turns her head with no shouting or arm waving. Jean also said she was across the street with a lot of people there. This in no way describes the Grassy Knoll area. She said we were the only people down in that area on the grass. What she meant was she was off the cement of the SW corner of Houston and Elm. They had asked a policemen if they could do that. In the Zapruder film there are only about 3 people across the street on the steps leading down from the parking lot of the railroad yards. There is no large crowd there. There was no large crowd in front of Mary and Jean as shown in the Zapruder Film, if you believe that film. Call her a xxxx or simply confused if you want, but that is her testimony.

I didn't say anything about how far she could run in a 1/2 second. I said she took 5 or 6 steps in that time, 1/2 second. If her stride was say 30 inches then she could have covered 180 inches in her 5 or 6 steps. That would be about 15 feet in 1/2 second. I am still asking the question could she have made that many steps in 1/2 second? That's what everyone says except Jean Hill. I am not saying that, Jean Hill is. And, no folks have not proven she was wrong in her location that Arlen Specter took down in Hill Exhibit No. 5. He was so serious about the matter that he made the Hill Exhibit Top Secret. Obviously, he thought the matter was quite important. Do you understand what the classification Top Secret is and what it is used for? It is use to keep something secret and hidden from the general public. Vickie Adams said she heard someone call out to the President. She was on the fourth floor of the TSBD. Would she have been able to hear that if Jean Hill was down in front of the Grassy Knoll rather than across the street on the SW corner of Elm and Houston. Part of Vickie Adams testimony was also declared Top Secret. I think that part was about Shelley and his henchman. I would recommend re-reading Jean Hill's testimonies with an unprejudiced mind set. The first statements are the most important. Overlook, what she recanted and said in later years. She underwent a hatchet job for the things she said directly after the assassination. Her character was blackened. She felt she was going to be killed for the things she said. SAC Gordon Shanklin of the FBI assigned agents to monitor and guard her. It's in her book. This was testimony that was fresh in her mind at the time of the meeting with Arlen Specter. Their relationship during the interview was adversarial and she fought to get her information out in the manner she thought correct.

Jeremy, You need to go back and re-read what I said. You got most of it wrong. For instance as an example: My pick for the "Babushka Lady" is not Betty Oliver, but the lady known as Tammi True. I can look up her real name if you want. She is the person I think is the Lady in Blue in the Zapruder Film. If I was a rich guy I would offer you lots of money if you can find the "Babushka Lady" in the Zapruder Film standing next to Charles Brehm and son. Man, this is just plain bad: "Can anyone make sense of that paragraph? John seems to be saying that he has found images of 13 women in Dealey Plaza wearing headscarves (OK so far!), and that none of them were in the grassy area south of Elm Street (oh dear!), but several films and photos show one of them standing in the grassy area south of Elm Street (yup!), which means that all of those films and photos have been faked (oh dear!). Is that really what he means? If so, it's preposterous. If not, what does he actually mean?" What I mean is the Zapruder Film, which I believe is your gold standard on what happened in Dealey Plaza, does not show the BB Lady while other films do show her. Do you have an explanation for that? There are 13 or so women with head scarfs in Dealey Plaza. I would have to go back and check my work if 14. None are in Dealey Plaza in the grassy area between Elm and Main except one shown in various films except the Zapruder film. The Lady who many people identify as the BB Lady does not show up in Dealey Plaza until after the assassination is over. I can show you who this woman is if you are interested. I can track her movement through various films and photos from the NE corner of Main and Houston to the grassy field between Elm and Main after the assassination. I said that Betty Oliver has problems with her story. "but several films and photos show one of them standing in the grassy area south of Elm Street (yup!), which means that all of those films and photos have been faked (oh dear!)." Take your pick. Either the Zapruder Film is wrong or the other films are wrong. Which will you pick?

Chris mentions time in his presentation with the comment "All this in less than a second. Simply amazing." Here's another bit of action that consists of 10 frames set at .25 seconds per frame for easier viewing. In Zapruder this same action takes about 1/2 of a second at 18 frames per second. Amazing speed. Rosemary seems to be running about 5 or 6 steps in a 1/2 second or so time period. Can a person do that? I slowed this down so that one can see the action of the Z film in 1/2 second. Simply Amazing. OBTW, if this is Jean Hill as she described where she was at in Hill Exhibit No. 5 then she is the lady with grey hair and a hat. She attracted the President's attention by waving and shouting "Hey, Mr. President". She shouted so loud that Vickie Adams on the 4th floor of the TSBD heard her. Mary is the short, red head near Jean and she was in the street. This is a better representation of Jean and Mary's testimony than what is shown in Zapruder beginning at Z 287 and running on until about Z 317. In that part of the film Mary and Jean are as nearly lifeless as the Mannikin Row folks.

Bravo! And, for those who don't understand such things: EXCLAMATION used to express approval when a performer or other person has done something well. "people kept on clapping and shouting “bravo!”" synonyms: well done · good for you · congratulations · take a bow · encore

My best guess is Jack Ruby didn't know he was going to murder Oswald. That came after the assassination on orders from others.

Betty Oliver said she was the "Babushka Lady" in Dealey Plaza photographing the Kennedy assassination. People have found a number of problems with her story. I don't believe there was a "Babushka Lady" in Dealey Plaza until after the assassination and the p. limo had left the area. At this point, let me say that I have looked at the media of Dealey Plaza and found 13 or so Babushka Ladies. That is women wearing a head scarf. Some were on Elm Street such as the women in the Mannikin Row area. None were in the grassy field south of Elm Street according to the Zapruder Film, the Holy Grail of the assassination. If the Babushka Lady was in the grassy field south of Elm then the Zapruder film lied. However, there are films and photos that show the Babushka Lady was indeed in the grassy area south of Elm Street. I believe they are false. So, who was in the grassy field next to Charles Brehm? In these other films I spoke of earlier the Babushka Lady is near Charles Brehm and his son. Here is an example from I believe the Marie Muchmore film: This is in direct opposition to the Zapruder Film that does not have the Babushka Lady as shown in Marie Muchmore. If you look closely at this frame you see two people in the place of the person I call the Lady in Blue. It seems that the two are being melded together. Look at the location of the purse. It's a bit odd for the BB Lady. More on this later. So, what does the Zapruder Film have? It has a person I call the Lady in Blue: This person resembles Betty Oliver and just might be. She has a figure consistent with Betty Oliver's figure. However, I think it is another employee of Jack Ruby whose show name was Tammi True. Look at the following photo which I believe was taken a short period of time before the assassination. Tammy was known to wear a head band which is the same as the Lady in Blue. This was to keep her wig in place while doing a vigorous strip tease. When you put this together you have this: Notice that Willis 7 has the Lady in Blue and not the Babushka Lady as seen in Marie Muchmore. Here, the Lady in Blue is changed into the Babushka Lady in Marie Muchmore courtesy of the film editors. I am sure someone will say these are blurred images, or copying mistakes, of misinterpreted images. But, that is nothing new. Folks have said this before. They were wrong then and if said now they are wrong now. Whether the Lady in Blue was Betty Oliver or Tammi True doesn't matter. Those ladies worked for Jack Ruby. It is my best guess that one of them was the Lady in Blue. My pick is Tammi True due to the way she dressed and the black head band. Jack Ruby was well aware of what was going to happen in Dealey Plaza and he more than likely wanted a record of it.