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4 hours ago, David Von Pein said:
My guess is that Helen Markham very likely timed it so that she would be at the Jefferson & Patton bus stop at approximately 1:15 every day, and she would (of course) then catch the next bus to come by that was going downtown (whenever that was, at 1:22, or whenever). That way, she would be a little early to catch the next bus. Makes sense to me anyway. And the FBI report in CD630 clearly indicates that "the bus is scheduled to pass this point [at Patton and Jefferson] at about 1:12 PM and every ten minutes thereafter".
So it's fairly clear that if Mrs. Markham didn't catch the 1:12 bus, she could have caught another bus at about 1:22 or 1:32. And since she didn't have to be at work until 2:30 PM, there was plenty of time to spare, even if she had to take one of those later busses.
But it makes no sense for her to regularly get to the bus stop at 1:15 if she was really trying to catch a 1:12 bus. That's crazy.More Bus Talk:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com / Mrs. Markham's Bus
Your guess is called a theory David. I think she was heading towards the 1:12 buss.
You and Bill believe in a Pristine Magic Bullet. Why not a Magic Buss?
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22 minutes ago, Robert Morrow said:
The 6 times that Markham said she did not recognize Oswald was probably a simple misunderstanding of what she was being questioned about. Markhan, in my mind, was responding to a question in her mind that was did you KNOW this man, have you KNOWN him previously. And the answer to that was no.
I do think her Warren Commission testimony was coached and she screwed her lines. And, no, I don't think she actually say Oswald at 10th and Patten but by her W.C. testimony she knew she was supposed to SAY that.
Jmho.
She did know Ruby. They pretty well had to know. Why did they never ask?
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On 5/30/2007 at 11:49 AM, Charles Black said:
They are a COMPLETE SELLOUT which should be obvious to even avid neo cons!
Again, 17 years ago?
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On 5/30/2007 at 11:49 AM, Charles Black said:
but I nearly vomit when I see my wife, kids etc. watching Fox News.
17 years ago. A bit prophetic?
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On 5/30/2007 at 11:49 AM, Charles Black said:
I hate to be so graphic, but I nearly vomit when I see my wife, kids etc. watching Fox News.
They are a COMPLETE SELLOUT which should be obvious to even avid neo cons!
Although I realize that De M. was undergoing some severe mental problems....the exact timing of this death, his probable role in the Oswald set up, and his undependability due to his mental state, in my mind, indicate a "most neccessary elimination" of this forthcoming witness ! He could have spilled the entire bean pot !
Charles Black
Here is the first belly laugh. That first sentence. From 2007, 17 years ago. Charles hasn't posted since 2008.
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On 5/29/2007 at 6:51 PM, Myra Bronstein said:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Ya wanna be rich? Be a right wing mouthpiece.
Ya wanna be rich and have eternal job security and get to sit in the green room sipping bottled water? Write LN dunnit books.
Three.
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On 5/29/2007 at 6:09 PM, Stephen Miller said:
Hmmm, I wonder how O'Reilly got religion or got converted to join the "other side"?
Number two.
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On 5/29/2007 at 4:22 PM, Robert Howard said:
Add me to the "I think Bill O'Reilly is a fascist list....."
Three in a row here, from 17 years ago.
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1 hour ago, Kevin Balch said:
Here’s the Palm Beach County FL report on the death of George DeMorhenschildt. It goes into more detail than what is presented in Hit List.
There it is, plus a belly laugh! First, thanks for this Kevin, I've never read this apparently official version.
I had read somewhere that the sound of the house alarm going off is heard on the cassette tape of the soap opera the maid was recording for the homeowner. Someone investigated, went to the local police, found this, other inconsistencies. Who? Where did I read it? Fonzi? Nope, I looked in The Last Investigation. Then I looked for them online. That turned up this great old thread by Dawn Meredith, an attorney from Austin, Texas and a forum member. Who I didn't remember posting in quite some time and wondering if she was ok. I saw her name at the bottom of the first page just a few days ago, looking in. Thanks for hanging with/checking in on us Dawn.
The fourth post in. From Trygve in Europe. The video is no longer available, but he mentions Mark Lane talking about it. I'll look more tomorrow or in a day or two. It is a much deeper very interesting thread from 17 years ago, a little dated for some maybe but still relevant. Well worth the full read imho. More on the belly laugh later. O'Lielly is a separate but related story.
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Re skimmed, a lot slower, the first part. Very deep pre reading for a one-day eight-hour conference, at only half of it yet! Forrestall didn't seem impressed with McNamara. Still several redactions. It did say everyone out by the end of 1965, 1000 by the end of 1963.
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9 hours ago, Robert Morrow said:
Helen Markham, in fact, was a very, very good "witness" because she was absolutely cocksure that she saw Officer J.D. Tippit being shot at about 1:06 to 1:07PM. She was so sure about this because she had left the clothes washing machine room at her apartment at 1:04PM and the FBI had timed her walk and it was only a mere 2 to 3 minutes to her witness spot at Tenth and Patten.
Helan Markham was a damn good witness because her timing of the death of J.D. Tippit completely absolves Lee Harvey Oswald who the Warren Commission itself says was at his boarding home as late as 1:03PM and that is 9/10ths of a mile away.
Testimony Of Mrs. Helen Markham (mu.edu)
Mr. BALL. What has been your work most of your life since you were divorced, what kind of work have you done?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Waitress work.
Mr. BALL. You have done waitress work?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, Sir.
Mr. BALL. Where do you work now?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Eat Well Restaurant, 1404 Main Street, Dallas, Tex.
Mr. BALL. Were you working there on November 22, 1963?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I was.
Mr. BALL. What hours did you work?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I was due at work from 2:30 in the evening until 10:30 at night.
Mr. BALL. Did you leave your home some time that morning to go to work?
Mrs. MARKHAM. That evening?
Mr. BALL. Morning.
Mrs. MARKHAM. That morning?
Mr. BALL. You left your home to go to work at some time, didn't you, that day?
Mrs. MARKHAM. At one.
Mr. BALL. One o'clock?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I believe it was a little after 1.
Mr. BALL. Where did you intend to catch the bus?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On Patton and Jefferson.
Mr. BALL. Patton and Jefferson is about a block south of Patton and 10th Street, isn't it?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I think so.
Mr. BALL. Well, where is your home from Patton and Jefferson?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I had came--I come one block, I had come one block from my home.
Mr. BALL. You were walking, were you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I came from 9th to the corner of 10th Street.
Mr. BALL. And you were walking toward Jefferson?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Tenth Street runs the same direction as Jefferson, doesn't it?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. It runs in a generally east and west direction?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And Patton runs north and south?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir; up and down this way.
Mr. BALL. So you were walking south toward Jefferson?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You think it was a little after 1?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I wouldn't be afraid to bet it wasn't 6 or 7 minutes after 1.
Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.
Mr. BALL. So it was before 1:15?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it was.
Mr. BALL. When you came to the corner of Patton and 10th Street--first of all, what side of the street were you walking on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Now you have got me mixed up on all my streets. I was on the opposite of where this man was.
Mr. BALL. Well, you were walking along the street--
Mrs. MARKHAM. On the street.
Mr. BALL. On Patton, you were going toward Jefferson?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you were on the right- or left-hand side of the street as you were walking south?
Mrs. MARKHAM. That would be on the left.
Mr. BALL. Your right.
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it would be right.
Mr. BALL. Right-hand side, wouldn't it? When you came to the corner did you have to stop before you crossed 10th Street?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Why?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On account the traffic was coming.
Mr. BALL. And you stopped there on the corner?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. That would be the northwest corner, wouldn't it?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Northwest corner.
Mr. BALL. Is that right?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I believe it is. I believe it is the northwest corner.
Mr. BALL. Did you see any man walking at that time?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes; I seen this man on the opposite side, across the street from me. He was almost across Patton Street.
Mr. BALL. Almost across Patton?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Walking in what direction?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I guess this would be south.
Mr. BALL. Along 10th, east? Was it along 10th?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Walking away from you, wasn't he?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He was walking up 10th, away from me.
Mr. BALL. To your left?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, he was on the opposite side of the street to me like that.
Mr. BALL. Had he reached the curb yet?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Almost ready to get up on the curb.
Mr. BALL. What did you notice then?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, I noticed a police car coming.
Mr. BALL. Where was the police car when you first saw it?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He was driving real slow, almost up to this man, well, say this man, and he kept, this man kept walking, you know, and the police car going real slow now, real slow, and they just kept coming into the curb, and finally they got way up there a little ways up, well, it stopped.
Mr. BALL. The police car stopped?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What about the man? Was he still walking?
Mrs. MARKHAM. The man stopped.
Mr. BALL. Then what did you see the man do?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I saw the man come over to the car very slow, leaned and put his arms just like this, he leaned over in this window and looked in this window.
Mr. BALL. He put his arms on the window ledge?
Mrs. MARKHAM. The window was down.
Mr. BALL. It was?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Put his arms on the window ledge?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On the ledge of the window.
Mr. BALL. And the policeman was sitting where?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On the driver's side.
Mr. BALL. He was sitting behind the wheel?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Was he alone in the car?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Then what happened?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, I didn't think nothing about it; you know, the police are nice and friendly, and I thought friendly conversation. Well, I looked, and there were cars coming, so I had to wait. Well, in a few minutes this man made--
Mr. BALL. What did you see the policeman do?
Mrs. MARKHAM. See the policeman? Well, this man, like I told you, put his arms up, leaned over, he just a minute, and he drew back and he stepped back about two steps. Mr. Tippit--
Mr. BALL. The policeman?
Mrs. MARKHAM. The policeman calmly opened the car door, very slowly, wasn't angry or nothing, he calmly crawled out of this car, and I still just thought a friendly conversation, maybe disturbance in the house, I did not know; well, just as the policeman got--
Mr. BALL. Which way did he walk?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Towards the front of the car. And just as he had gotten even with the wheel on the driver's side--
Mr. BALL. You mean the left front wheel?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes; this man shot the policeman.
Mr. BALL. You heard the shots, did you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. How many shots did you hear?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Three.
Mr. BALL. What did you see the policeman do?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He fell to the ground, and his cap went a little ways out on the street.
Mr. BALL. What did the man do?
Mrs. MARKHAM. The man, he just walked calmly, fooling with his gun.
Mr. BALL. Toward what direction did he walk?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Come back towards me, turned around, and went back.
Mr. BALL. Toward Patton?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir; towards Patton. He didn't run. It just didn't scare him to death. He didn't run. When he saw me he looked at me, stared at me. I put my hands over my face like this, closed my eyes. I gradually opened my fingers like this, and 1 opened my eyes, and when I did he started off in kind of a little trot.
Mr. BALL. Which way?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Sir?
Mr. BALL. Which way?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Towards Jefferson, right across that way.
Mr. DULLES. Did he have the pistol in his hand at this time?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had the gun when I saw him.
Mr. BALL. Did you yell at him?
Mrs. MARKHAM. When I pulled my fingers down where I could see, I got my hand down, he began to trot off, and then I ran to the policeman.
Mr. BALL. Before you put your hands over your eyes, before you put your hand over your eyes, did you see the man walk towards the corner?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did he do?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, he stared at me.
Mr. BALL. What did you do?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't do anything. I couldn't.
Mr. BALL. Didn't you say something?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, I couldn't.
Mr. BALL. Or yell or scream?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I could not. I could not say nothing.
Mr. BALL. You looked at him?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You looked at him
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir. He looked wild. I mean, well, he did to me.
Mr. BALL. And you say you saw him fooling with his gun?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had it in his hands.
Mr. BALL. Did you see what he was doing with it?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He was just fooling with it. I didn't know what he was doing. I was afraid he was fixing to kill me.
Mr. BALL. How far away from the police car do you think you were on the corner when you saw the shooting?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, I wasn't too far.
Mr. BALL. Can you estimate it in feet? Don't guess.
Mrs. MARKHAM. I would just be afraid to say how many feet because I am a bad judgment on that.
Mr. BALL. When you looked at the man, though, when he came toward the corner, you were standing on one corner, were you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir
Mr. BALL. Where was he standing with reference to the other corner?
Mrs. MARKHAM. After he had shot--
Mr. BALL. When he looked at you.
Mrs. MARKHAM. After he had shot the policeman?
Mr. BALL. Yes.
Mrs. MARKHAM. He was standing almost even to that curb, not very far from the curb, from the sidewalk.
Mr. BALL. Across the street from you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he look at you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And did you look at him?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I sure did.
Mr. BALL. That was before you put your hands over your eyes?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir; and he kept fooling with his gun, and I slapped my hands up to my face like this.
Mr. BALL. And then you ran to the policeman?
Mrs. MARKHAM. After he ran off.
Mr. BALL. In what hand did he have his gun, do you know, when he fired the shots?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Sir, I believe it was his right. I am not positive because I was scared.
Mr. BALL. When he came down the street towards you, in what hand did he have his gun?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had it in both of them.
Mr. BALL. He had it in both of them?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. When he went towards Jefferson you say he went at sort of a trot?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he cross Patton?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES. Were there many other, or other people in the block at that time, or were you there with Officer Tippit almost alone?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I was out there, I didn't see anybody. I was there alone by myself.
Mr. DULLES. I see. You didn't see anybody else in the immediate neighborhood?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No; not until everything was over--I never seen anybody until I was at Mr. Tippit's side. I tried to save his life, which was I didn't know at that time I couldn't do something for him.Alfredda Scobey (a protégé of Georgia Senator and commission member Richard Russell) writes in her article "A Lawyer's Motes on the Warren Commission Report" in the January 1965 issue of the Amercian Bar Association Journal:
"This witness was hysterical. Her initial description of Oswald . . . was inaccurate. . . . Her original identification of Oswald in a line-up occurred after she had been given sedatives, and she remained hysterical for several hours after the event." I've never read about sedatives elsewhere, but I have about Leavell giving her smelling salts (which he denied then said, well maybe) to calm her down enough that after hemming and hawing, with help she picked Oswald in the lineup. She didn't ID him as the man she had seen per se, he "gave her chills". Page 264, Into the Nightmare, Joseph McBride.
Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant commission counsel who took some of Markam's testimony, told his counterpart Norman Redlich that her testimony was "worthless." Redlich replied, "The commission wants to believe Mrs. Markham and that's all there is to it." . . . In the most farcical passage of her testimony on March 26, 1964, denied no fewer than six times that she had recognized Oswald in the police lineup on November 22. Finally, she had to be prompted by the exasperated assistant counsel Joseph Ball with the kind of leading questions that would be inadmissible in a courtroom: . . .
Markham. Number two.
Ball. What did you say when you saw number two?
Markham. Well, let me tell you. I said the second man, and they kept asking me which one. I said the second man, and they kept asking me which one, which one? i said number two. When I said number two, I just got weak.
Ball. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Markham. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.
Ball. You recognized him from his appearance?
Markham. I asked -- I looked at him. When I saw this man I Wasn't Sure, But I had Cold Chills Just Run All Over Me.
It was in a December 4, 1964, debate with (Mark) Lane . . . that Joseph Ball offered his memorable characterization of Markham as "an utter screwball" and threw up his hands as he made the remark. Pages 479-483, ITN.
There is more to the story.
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That's really deep David, I skimmed through much of it. AID involved? The same AID that employed Ruth's dad among others?
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Dale Meyers? Helen Markam was discredited by members of the Warren Omission Lone Nut Theory you support.
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10 hours ago, Frederic Galle said:
Souêtre always said he was in Spain at the time of the murder, statements confirmed by two or three witnesses. I think it was Mertz who was in Dallas, at the request of the SDECE (for some reason I don’t know) and then was expelled. For the French shooter, I prefer a guy like Henri Pugibet, an ex-Vichyst France, exfiltrated by the OSS of Dulles in 45 and sniper ( he opened an elite shooting school in southern France in 42 ). His killer profile ( he worked for Trujillo notably ) and his activities for the CIA in Cuba and then in Mexico where he lived afterwards, are, in my opinion, a perfect candidate.
Sorry for the time taken to respond; I have not enabled the notification of responses.
I'd never heard of Pugibet until I read Coup in Dallas by Hank Albarelli. He's mentioned on a couple of pages in the book, but then there is an 8-page essay at the end on him by Alan Kent. He concludes he was involved as he was there 11/19/63- 11/22/63 at the Stoneleigh Hotel but likely not as a shooter, what capacity undetermined. I've not read about the sniper/shooting school part. Where is that from?
As an aside, I see you're from Normandy. I'm descended from there per the work of my mother and others. A very small, diluted percentage by now.
It seems a to many greats grandfather than I can remember (though mother once counted them) was a Nobleman of Normandy born in 1036. Airaid Fitz Stevens. He was given Command of the Mora, the lead ship by William the Conqueror in his invasion of England in 1066, leading to the battle of Hastings and his conquest of England. Araid received a large land grant.
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30 minutes ago, Matt Cloud said:32 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:
Matt,
Insulting James DiEugenio, inaccurately, and insulting the mods is a violation of Education Forum policies.
Infractions are cumulative.
Here's one for you: You're a total xxxxwit.
Matt, you seem intelligent and knowledgeable. You know what you've done, intentionally. Insulting me, W, and member Jim, along with others over time. Your smart enough to have read the rules and know the suspension penalties double or more with admin/mod discretion. You seem to insult just about anyone you converse with, a bit adversarial. What is your purpose regarding the JFK assassination? Here's a few days to think about it.
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6 hours ago, Matt Cloud said:
Who the hell is Monika Wiesak?
You're not That well-read are you?
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Fred Litwins New Podcast
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
Kevin, J. Gary Shaw is a respected researcher by some other respected researchers along with some readers of information like myself. His interest goes all the way back to the assassination itself as somewhat of a local. He will be referenced in a new topic I'm about to start.
There is an article, maybe two on Kennedys and King if anyone is interested in a different perspective on Mr. Litwin.