Why the need for the same quote twice?  Or the huge bright blue headline?

Why do we need to get into Oswald's pants?

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I've told this story before on here before, maybe it's appropriate again in this thread.  I also never considered myself a real researcher.  I've been to Dealy Plaza several times as I used to live not far away, never dug in any files other than on line a little.  I read a good bit and try to interpret it using what logic I have. 

Somewhere around the 50th anniversary of JFK's death, a year or two before or after 2013 I asked a question of Dr. Robert McClellan.  He came to the mid-sized Tarleton State University where I worked to speak on his experiences on 11/22/63 in the new three-story nursing building, replete with the reflecting pool between it and the science building where I worked.  It was in the main lecture hall which held I think held about 200-300.

Getting off at 5:00, it starting at 6:00, I was early.  Got a seat on the third row, not up front on purpose.  He came in about 10 minutes early, several people greeted him, then they thinned out.  So, I went down and introduced myself as from the Biology Department in the science building across the pond.  I told him I might need to leave before his talk was over to meet my wife and didn't want him to think I didn't care or for him to feel insulted.  He said he understood and thanked me for coming.

I was engrossed and stayed for the whole thing.

When he was done speaking and asked for questions, I raised my hand among others.  He pointed at me.

I asked, Dr. McClellan, Dr Perry in the press conference immediately after the attempts to save JFK's life, the wound in the throat was one of entrance, from the front, three times.  He later said it could be an exit wound.  Do you think someone might have convinced Dr. Perry to alter his opinion?

I think the question might have caught him by surprise.  He hesitated a second or two.  When he said Yes, there was an audible gasp from the audience. 

An administrator/organizer of the event thanked me for coming and my question on the way out.

Pretty Damning.  The FBI told them what to say, and they said it.  This is the speaker of the House, and he never did anything about it.

Where has this been the last Sixty One years as W said?  Did anyone ever see it on 11/22/63?  Was it immediately squelched and confiscated?

Why is Sisco of UPI doing this interview, apparently for ABC, if Oakes only did Nellie Connally on Sunday that weekend?

Who owned ABC in 1963?

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

I don't have to remind  anyone about what this says about what happened to Perry do I?

Boy between this and that press conference, he had really done so much damage to what was going to be the official story that he had to be worked on and twisted.

Let us not forget what Allen Dulles said about this during his Commission testimony.  If anything shows you how compromised Perry was, that does.

Jim, this still floors me.  The afternoon press conference, this, Jim Gochenauer > Elmer Moore, the surgeon friend in Washington State, for years Perry refused to comment, then, it was an entry wound, no question.  Four strikes and they're out for the Warren Omission.  

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Steven, thank you for your deep and thoughtful post. 

 I too believe JFK died instantly, thankfully, from the head shot(s) in Dealy Plaza.  He did not suffer, from them.  I take heart from this, and reportedly the last words he ever heard, from Nellie Connally were Mr. President, you can't say Dallas doesn't love you.  To which he replied yes this is true, after the ride down Main street and the turn onto Houston.

I also wonder if maybe he did suffer, or maybe just confusion or shock, for a very few seconds after the throat shot, before the head shot.

1 hour ago, Keven Hofeling said:

Joe Rogan and Judge Napolitano on Napolitano's conversation with President Trump about 2 weeks prior to President Trump leaving office about not releasing the final JFK files which, according to Rogan and Napolitano, points directly to exposing that the CIA was involved in the assassination.

#JoeRogan references #judgenapolitano about #CIA and #JFK

 

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This is a rather vain attempt to give the illusion this thread is still on topic.  Most of the posts are about Russiagate and Manafort.

50 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:

Thanks! I will update the video title

Hold on a minute Vince.  When I watched this the 1st time I thought, this had to be on Friday evening the 22nd, before they really got to Perry.  Didn't someone come up after the press conference that afternoon, shortly after JFK had passed and tell him not to mention the throat wound as one of entrance (as he had done 3x)?  

If we actually read C.E. 2051 which Denis provided it clearly states the UPI team, including Sisco arrived on the evening of 11/22/63.  It is the December 1st FBI interview of Oliver Oakes, UPI sound engineer. He was in and out of the DPD HQ that evening.  It ends with the only thing Oakes filmed that weekend was of Nellie Connally's press conference on John's status, done at the same time Oswald was shot.

I think this gives pause for consideration that Sisco could have possibly done the Perry interview the evening of 1/22/63.

"He is employed by United Press International (UPI), Hews Films as a sound engineer . lie, PAUL SISCO and ISADORE BLECKMAN, as a UPI team, went to Dallas Friday, November 22, 1963, via plane, arriving Dallas in the evening of that day . On November 22 and 23, 1963, he entered and left the Dallas police department building several times and on occasion had his press pass inspected by uniformed policemen but added, "they got to know us ." Initials "UPI" are on all news gear carried by OAKES and he sometimes entered the building without showing press card with police officers assuming he was a new . . ."

"The only films shot by OAKES were of Mrs . CONNALLY and this was given to SISCO which he forwarded to New York."

Warren Commission, Volume XIV: CE 2051 - FBI report dated December 2, 1963, of interview of Oliver Oakes, at Morton Grove, Ill. (CD 85, pp. 463-464). (history-matters.com)

12 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Agonal respiration, characteristic of impending death.

Thank you for the proper spelling of a term I didn't fully understand, I assumed such.  I've hesitated to post this for a long time because the thoughts are graphic.  Given Perry's statements here maybe it's time.  Though it's still kind of hard to bring it up.

JFK was brain dead from the second the head Shots hit him.  Perry:

Was he in pain?  I don't think he even perceived the impact of the bullet at all.  The President was dead when the bullet struck him?  That is correct.  

Does this happen often here?  Something we are faced with quite often.

Perry was experienced with trauma surgery, including frequently at Parkland, gunshot wounds.

Just the first minute.  This is from ABC, where has it been buried?

- (Immediately) noted a lethal wound.

- No heartbeat or pulse, he was attempting anginal respiration. 

- wounds in the neck and head, the latter massive.

- mortal wound, chance of survival, none.

- two distinctive wounds. 

37 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:

 

Damn Vince.  Wow!  Where did you find this?  I'm stunned.  I need to watch it again a time or two before I comment.  This blows his Warren Omission testimony to hell.

5 hours ago, Michael Crane said:

Good to see this thread resurrected and Mr.Montenegro to witness my old post that was deleted by forum Administrator Larsen.Actions like this & others has helped convince me to decide that even the thought of donating any money to this website is laughable at best.That chances are slim & none & Slim is out of town.

I highly,highly recommend that any other members under the same circumstances do exactly the same.

Hopefully,in the future,Mr.Larsen & I can meet up in public in Northern California & I can demonstrate some mixed martial arts techniques at no cost to Mr.Larsen.

Threatening another forum member, including Moderators/Administrators, will result in vacation time for the member doing so at any time, every time.

There are some interesting posts earlier in this thread, pgs. 6-7 in particular.

4 hours ago, Robert Reeves said:

We are not accustomed to being called liars, either by a priest or a Hollywood "journalist.",

That letter is very interesting.  I think I read something once about Father Huber mentioning a bullet hole over the left eye.  Then nothing more about it.  The detail gives the letter authenticity, I think.  I think there were a couple of other reports of this.  About it being in the edge of the hairline over the left eye.  If I remember right this fits with Dr's. Mantick and Chesser's analysis of the x-rays in the National Archives.  A frontal shot over the left eye, and another in the hairline in the right temple, slightly above the top of the right ear and slightly in front of it.

This part to me is really interesting.

At this point you described for us what you thought to have been a bullet wound over President Kennedy's left eye. * "I took the sheet down to his nose," you said, "and I saw what I immediately thought to be a bullet hole on his forehead, above his left eye. I told a number of people when I got back that this must have killed him, but that night 1 heard that the man was behind him in the building, so I knew what I had seen was a blood-clot." "No; no one has come to see me about it. No one." 

17 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

ATM, Book Four - 1975-1985, Chapter -5- August 12, 1975, Harold Blauer Redux.  Pages 528-532.

On August 12, 1975, following several news reports about Army-sponsored experiments similar to those of the CIA, a Pentagon spokesman disclosed that Harold Blauer, a 42- year old patient at the New York State Psychiatric Institute, had died the same year as Frank Olson, after Blauer had unwittingly ben given a massive amount of mescaline during a secret Army experiment.  Like the Olsons, the Blauer family had been kept in the dark about the death for over twenty-two years. 

The name of the victim is being withheld while the Pentagon tries to locate surviving relatives.  . . .  a representative of the Army Inspector General's office had come across "a file disclosing the death while examining records discovered in a safe at Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland."  Before concluding the press conference, Laitin said that the Army experiments with mescaline, LSD and other drugs had been halted only three weeks earlier, as a result of the revelations about Frank Olson, and the Army's experiments had involved altogether "about four thousand soldiers and civilians."  The following day the New York Times reported that the unnamed NYSPI victim had been identified as Harold Blauer.  The Army identified him after one of Blauer's two daughters, Elizabeth Barrett, had been contacted.

Thirteen at the time. She recalled her mother telling her at the time that her father had "reacted badly [and] been very upset" by drugs he had been given at NYSPI.  She further told Treaster (NY Times) that her father had "absolutely not" volunteered to participate in and Army drug experiment, and that he told her mother, Amy, that "he didn't like" the drugs he had been given at the Psychiatric Institute.

To be continued.  

In early September 1975, Elizabeth Barrett, distressed and angered about revelations concerning her father's treatment and death, filed an $8.5 million claim against the Army.  Barrett was especially angry about details she learned concerning the involvement of the State of New York and the U.S. Justice Department in the cover-up of the facts surrounding the Army's tests at NYSPI.

Early in Marrazzi's twenty-five page report, the doctor clearly admits that had it not been for the Army's secret experiments, . . . ,  Blauer would have been discharged from NYSPI and sent home.  Instead, states Marrazzi, Blauer died under conditions that were not "in accord with good medical practice and free from negligence."  (The understatement of the decade, if not century? RB).

In July 1954, Army attorneys met with attorneys in Burger's office (Warren Burger - future Chief Justice of the Supreme Court) and decided they would ask David Marcus, the New York assistant attorney general in charge of defending the NYSPI against the Blauer's to offer Blauer's wife Amy, $15,000 to settle the case ($173,000 in 2024).  The Army agreed to pay $7250 of the settlement as long as the Army's role in Blauer's death was kept secret from Blauer's family, the Blauer's attorney's, the judge hearing the case, and of course, the media.  

Amy Blauer refused the settlement offer for several months, but her own poor health and the needs of her daughters forced her to reconsider.  After a few days of negotiations, and threats that doctors at NYSPI could reveal "very embarrassing details" of her marriage if the case went to court, Amy settled for $18,000, only because the judge in the case objected to $15,000 as an appropriate amount.  (I.E., today, here's $200,000 since we killed your husband, shut up and go away).

In 1987, ten years after Elizabeth Barrett filed her $8.5 million dollar suit against the United States Government, she was awarded a little over $700,000 ($1.9 million today).  Defending against Barrett's claims for justice was then United States Attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani.  Giuliani argued strongly that the government was not responsible for Harol Blauer's death, but the court found otherwise. 

I will concede it's not impossible Hickey might have sh*t his pants and jumped up at the sound of shot's, this would have been after JFK was already hit.  But there is no evidence of this, pictures, films, witnesses. 

2 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

Well, this will be changing the discussion from here on out... holy sh*t

 

An interesting and disturbing article Matt.  I've lived from what's a microwave to I couldn't afford one to how did we ever live without this.  Now microwave "guns" (?) are causing brain damage.  Useful knowledge.

But I have to wonder how related this thread is anymore to trump releasing JFK records.

ATM, Book Four - 1975-1985, Chapter -5- August 12, 1975, Harold Blauer Redux.  Pages 528-532.

On August 12, 1975, following several news reports about Army-sponsored experiments similar to those of the CIA, a Pentagon spokesman disclosed that Harold Blauer, a 42- year old patient at the New York State Psychiatric Institute, had died the same year as Frank Olson, after Blauer had unwittingly ben given a massive amount of mescaline during a secret Army experiment.  Like the Olsons, the Blauer family had been kept in the dark about the death for over twenty-two years. 

The name of the victim is being withheld while the Pentagon tries to locate surviving relatives.  . . .  a representative of the Army Inspector General's office had come across "a file disclosing the death while examining records discovered in a safe at Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland."  Before concluding the press conference, Laitin said that the Army experiments with mescaline, LSD and other drugs had been halted only three weeks earlier, as a result of the revelations about Frank Olson, and the Army's experiments had involved altogether "about four thousand soldiers and civilians."  The following day the New York Times reported that the unnamed NYSPI victim had been identified as Harold Blauer.  The Army identified him after one of Blauer's two daughters, Elizabeth Barrett, had been contacted.

Thirteen at the time. She recalled her mother telling her at the time that her father had "reacted badly [and] been very upset" by drugs he had been given at NYSPI.  She further told Treaster (NY Times) that her father had "absolutely not" volunteered to participate in and Army drug experiment, and that he told her mother, Amy, that "he didn't like" the drugs he had been given at the Psychiatric Institute.

To be continued.  

7 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said:

Now, go forth, my misguided friend, and remember: opinions are like assholes—everyone has one, but yours is particularly full of s##t.

 

"It might do wonders for that intellectual constipation you're suffering from."

Take a break Keven.

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Great interview with Lori as devils advocate early on.  Though I almost bailed over this.  Pigs ears to polka dot dress.  Blood stained sheets (rightfully?) destroyed?  But 2000 photographs that shouldn't have been? 

3 hours ago, Denise Hazelwood said:

I believe that the partial hole that the autopsy doctors had with the small (EOP) fragment was largely completed by the Harper fragment, which showed signs of an entry wound. Dr. Mantik’s reconstruction puts that entry right at the EOP.

Yes, but what this thread ignores is Mantik and Chesser's analysis of two simultaneous frontal shots.