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    Hit List-- The Systematic Murders of JFK Witnesses

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Kevin Balch said:

    Here’s the Palm Beach County FL report on the death of George DeMorhenschildt. It goes into more detail than what is presented in Hit List.

    https://www.jfk-assassination.net/death2.txt

    There it is, plus a belly laugh!   First, thanks for this Kevin, I've never read this apparently official version.  

    I had read somewhere that the sound of the house alarm going off is heard on the cassette tape of the soap opera the maid was recording for the homeowner.  Someone investigated, went to the local police, found this, other inconsistencies.  Who? Where did I read it?  Fonzi?  Nope, I looked in The Last Investigation.  Then I looked for them online.  That turned up this great old thread by Dawn Meredith, an attorney from Austin, Texas and a forum member.  Who I didn't remember posting in quite some time and wondering if she was ok.  I saw her name at the bottom of the first page just a few days ago, looking in.  Thanks for hanging with/checking in on us Dawn.

    The fourth post in.  From Trygve in Europe.  The video is no longer available, but he mentions Mark Lane talking about it.  I'll look more tomorrow or in a day or two.  It is a much deeper very interesting thread from 17 years ago, a little dated for some maybe but still relevant.  Well worth the full read imho.  More on the belly laugh later.  O'Lielly is a separate but related story.

     

    "The Same Man"

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    9 hours ago, Robert Morrow said:

    Helen Markham, in fact, was a very, very good "witness" because she was absolutely cocksure that she saw Officer J.D. Tippit being shot at about 1:06 to 1:07PM. She was so sure about this because she had left the clothes washing machine room at her apartment at 1:04PM and the FBI had timed her walk and it was only a mere 2 to 3 minutes to her witness spot at Tenth and Patten.

    Helan Markham was a damn good witness because her timing of the death of J.D. Tippit completely absolves Lee Harvey Oswald who the Warren Commission itself says was at his boarding home as late as 1:03PM and that is 9/10ths of a mile away.

    Testimony Of Mrs. Helen Markham (mu.edu)

    Mr. BALL. What has been your work most of your life since you were divorced, what kind of work have you done?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Waitress work.
    Mr. BALL. You have done waitress work?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, Sir.
    Mr. BALL. Where do you work now?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Eat Well Restaurant, 1404 Main Street, Dallas, Tex.
    Mr. BALL. Were you working there on November 22, 1963?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I was.
    Mr. BALL. What hours did you work?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I was due at work from 2:30 in the evening until 10:30 at night.
    Mr. BALL. Did you leave your home some time that morning to go to work?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. That evening?
    Mr. BALL. Morning.
    Mrs. MARKHAM. That morning?
    Mr. BALL. You left your home to go to work at some time, didn't you, that day?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. At one.
    Mr. BALL. One o'clock?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I believe it was a little after 1.
    Mr. BALL. Where did you intend to catch the bus?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. On Patton and Jefferson.
    Mr. BALL. Patton and Jefferson is about a block south of Patton and 10th Street, isn't it?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I think so.
    Mr. BALL. Well, where is your home from Patton and Jefferson?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I had came--I come one block, I had come one block from my home.
    Mr. BALL. You were walking, were you?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I came from 9th to the corner of 10th Street.
    Mr. BALL. And you were walking toward Jefferson?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Tenth Street runs the same direction as Jefferson, doesn't it?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. It runs in a generally east and west direction?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. And Patton runs north and south?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir; up and down this way.
    Mr. BALL. So you were walking south toward Jefferson?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. You think it was a little after 1?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I wouldn't be afraid to bet it wasn't 6 or 7 minutes after 1.
    Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.
    Mr. BALL. So it was before 1:15?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it was.
    Mr. BALL. When you came to the corner of Patton and 10th Street--first of all, what side of the street were you walking on?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Now you have got me mixed up on all my streets. I was on the opposite of where this man was.
    Mr. BALL. Well, you were walking along the street--
    Mrs. MARKHAM. On the street.
    Mr. BALL. On Patton, you were going toward Jefferson?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. And you were on the right- or left-hand side     of the street as you were walking south?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. That would be on the left.
    Mr. BALL. Your right.
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it would be right.
    Mr. BALL. Right-hand side, wouldn't it? When you came to the corner did you have to stop before you crossed 10th Street?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, I did.
    Mr. BALL. Why?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. On account the traffic was coming.
    Mr. BALL. And you stopped there on the corner?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. That would be the northwest corner, wouldn't it?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Northwest corner.
    Mr. BALL. Is that right?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I believe it is. I believe it is the northwest corner.
    Mr. BALL. Did you see any man walking at that time?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes; I seen this man on the opposite side, across the street from me. He was almost across Patton Street.
    Mr. BALL. Almost across Patton?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Walking in what direction?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I guess this would be south.
    Mr. BALL. Along 10th, east? Was it along 10th?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Walking away from you, wasn't he?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. He was walking up 10th, away from me.
    Mr. BALL. To your left?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, he was on the opposite side of the street to me like that.
    Mr. BALL. Had he reached the curb yet?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Almost ready to get up on the curb.
    Mr. BALL. What did you notice then?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, I noticed a police car coming.
    Mr. BALL. Where was the police car when you first saw it?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. He was driving real slow, almost up to this man, well, say this man, and he kept, this man kept walking, you know, and the police car going real slow now, real slow, and they just kept coming into the curb, and finally they got way up there a little ways up, well, it stopped.
    Mr. BALL. The police car stopped?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. What about the man? Was he still walking?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The man stopped.
    Mr. BALL. Then what did you see the man do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I saw the man come over to the car very slow, leaned and put his arms just like this, he leaned over in this window and looked in this window.
    Mr. BALL. He put his arms on the window ledge?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The window was down.
    Mr. BALL. It was?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Put his arms on the window ledge?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. On the ledge of the window.
    Mr. BALL. And the policeman was sitting where?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. On the driver's side.
    Mr. BALL. He was sitting behind the wheel?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Was he alone in the car?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
    Mr. BALL. Then what happened?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, I didn't think nothing about it; you know, the police are nice and friendly, and I thought friendly conversation. Well, I looked, and there were cars coming, so I had to wait. Well, in a few minutes this man made--
    Mr. BALL. What did you see the policeman do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. See the policeman? Well, this man, like I told you, put his arms up, leaned over, he just a minute, and he drew back and he stepped back about two steps. Mr. Tippit--
    Mr. BALL. The policeman?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The policeman calmly opened the car door, very slowly, wasn't angry or nothing, he calmly crawled out of this car, and I still just thought a friendly conversation, maybe disturbance in the house, I did not know; well, just as the policeman got--
    Mr. BALL. Which way did he walk?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Towards the front of the car. And just as he had gotten even with the wheel on the driver's side--
    Mr. BALL. You mean the left front wheel?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes; this man shot the policeman.
    Mr. BALL. You heard the shots, did you?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. How many shots did you hear?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Three.
    Mr. BALL. What did you see the policeman do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. He fell to the ground, and his cap went a little ways out on the street.
    Mr. BALL. What did the man do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The man, he just walked calmly, fooling with his gun.
    Mr. BALL. Toward what direction did he walk?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Come back towards me, turned around, and went back.
    Mr. BALL. Toward Patton?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir; towards Patton. He didn't run. It just didn't scare him to death. He didn't run. When he saw me he looked at me, stared at me. I put my hands over my face like this, closed my eyes. I gradually opened my fingers like this, and 1 opened my eyes, and when I did he started off in kind of a little trot.
    Mr. BALL. Which way?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Sir?
    Mr. BALL. Which way?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Towards Jefferson, right across that way.
    Mr. DULLES. Did he have the pistol in his hand at this time?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. He had the gun when I saw him.
    Mr. BALL. Did you yell at him?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. When I pulled my fingers down where I could see, I got my hand down, he began to trot off, and then I ran to the policeman.
    Mr. BALL. Before you put your hands over your eyes, before you put your hand over your eyes, did you see the man walk towards the corner?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
    Mr. BALL. What did he do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, he stared at me.
    Mr. BALL. What did you do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't do anything. I couldn't.
    Mr. BALL. Didn't you say something?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. No, I couldn't.
    Mr. BALL. Or yell or scream?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I could not. I could not say nothing.
    Mr. BALL. You looked at him?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
    Mr. BALL. You looked at him
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir. He looked wild. I mean, well, he did to me.
    Mr. BALL. And you say you saw him fooling with his gun?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. He had it in his hands.
    Mr. BALL. Did you see what he was doing with it?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. He was just fooling with it. I didn't know what he was doing. I was afraid he was fixing to kill me.
    Mr. BALL. How far away from the police car do you think you were on the corner when you saw the shooting?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, I wasn't too far.
    Mr. BALL. Can you estimate it in feet? Don't guess.
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I would just be afraid to say how many feet because I am a bad judgment on that.
    Mr. BALL. When you looked at the man, though, when he came toward the corner, you were standing on one corner, were you?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir
    Mr. BALL. Where was he standing with reference to the other corner?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. After he had shot--
    Mr. BALL. When he looked at you.
    Mrs. MARKHAM. After he had shot the policeman?
    Mr. BALL. Yes.
    Mrs. MARKHAM. He was standing almost even to that curb, not very far from the curb, from the sidewalk.
    Mr. BALL. Across the street from you?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Did he look at you?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. And did you look at him?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I sure did.
    Mr. BALL. That was before you put your hands over your eyes?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir; and he kept fooling with his gun, and I slapped my hands up to my face like this.
    Mr. BALL. And then you ran to the policeman?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. After he ran off.
    Mr. BALL. In what hand did he have his gun, do you know, when he fired the shots?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Sir, I believe it was his right. I am not positive because I was scared.
    Mr. BALL. When he came down the street towards you, in what hand did he have his gun?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. He had it in both of them.
    Mr. BALL. He had it in both of them?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. When he went towards Jefferson you say he went at sort of a trot?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Did he cross Patton?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. DULLES. Were there many other, or other people in the block at that time, or were you there with Officer Tippit almost alone?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I was out there, I didn't see anybody. I was there alone by myself.
    Mr. DULLES. I see. You didn't see anybody else in the immediate neighborhood?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. No; not until everything was over--I never seen anybody until I was at Mr. Tippit's side. I tried to save his life, which was I didn't know at that time I couldn't do something for him.

     

    Alfredda Scobey (a protégé of Georgia Senator and commission member Richard Russell) writes in her article "A Lawyer's Motes on the Warren Commission Report" in the January 1965 issue of the Amercian Bar Association Journal:

    "This witness was hysterical.  Her initial description of Oswald . . . was inaccurate.  . . . Her original identification of Oswald in a line-up occurred after she had been given sedatives, and she remained hysterical for several hours after the event."  I've never read about sedatives elsewhere, but I have about Leavell giving her smelling salts (which he denied then said, well maybe) to calm her down enough that after hemming and hawing, with help she picked Oswald in the lineup.  She didn't ID him as the man she had seen per se, he "gave her chills".  Page 264, Into the Nightmare, Joseph McBride.

    Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant commission counsel who took some of Markam's testimony, told his counterpart Norman Redlich that her testimony was "worthless."  Redlich replied, "The commission wants to believe Mrs. Markham and that's all there is to it." . . . In the most farcical passage of her testimony on March 26, 1964, denied no fewer than six times that she had recognized Oswald in the police lineup on November 22.  Finally, she had to be prompted by the exasperated assistant counsel Joseph Ball with the kind of leading questions that would be inadmissible in a courtroom:  . . . 

    Markham. Number two.

    Ball. What did you say when you saw number two?

    Markham. Well, let me tell you.  I said the second man, and they kept asking me which one.  I said the second man, and they kept asking me which one, which one?  i said number two. When I said number two, I just got weak.

    Ball.  What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?

    Markham.  Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.

    Ball.  You recognized him from his appearance?

    Markham.  I asked -- I looked at him.  When I saw this man I Wasn't Sure, But I had Cold Chills Just Run All Over Me. 

     

    It was in a December 4, 1964, debate with (Mark) Lane . . . that Joseph Ball offered his memorable characterization of Markham as "an utter screwball" and threw up his hands as he made the remark. Pages 479-483, ITN.

    There is more to the story.  

    Which living person(s) knows the most about what actually happened in Dallas?

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    10 hours ago, Frederic Galle said:

    Souêtre always said he was in Spain at the time of the murder, statements confirmed by two or three witnesses. I think it was Mertz who was in Dallas, at the request of the SDECE (for some reason I don’t know) and then was expelled. For the French shooter, I prefer a guy like Henri Pugibet, an ex-Vichyst France, exfiltrated by the OSS of Dulles in 45 and sniper ( he opened an elite shooting school in southern France in 42 ). His killer profile ( he worked for Trujillo notably ) and his activities for the CIA in Cuba and then in Mexico where he lived afterwards, are, in my opinion, a perfect candidate.

     

    Sorry for the time taken to respond; I have not enabled the notification of responses.

    I'd never heard of Pugibet  until I read Coup in Dallas by Hank Albarelli.  He's mentioned on a couple of pages in the book, but then there is an 8-page essay at the end on him by Alan Kent.  He concludes he was involved as he was there 11/19/63- 11/22/63 at the Stoneleigh Hotel but likely not as a shooter, what capacity undetermined.  I've not read about the sniper/shooting school part.  Where is that from?  

    As an aside, I see you're from Normandy.  I'm descended from there per the work of my mother and others.  A very small, diluted percentage by now.

    It seems a to many greats grandfather than I can remember (though mother once counted them) was a Nobleman of Normandy born in 1036.  Airaid Fitz Stevens.  He was given Command of the Mora, the lead ship by William the Conqueror in his invasion of England in 1066, leading to the battle of Hastings and his conquest of England.  Araid received a large land grant. 

    JFK and the Neocons-- Two New DiEugenio Essays

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    30 minutes ago, Matt Cloud said:
    32 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

    Matt,

        Insulting James DiEugenio, inaccurately, and insulting the mods is a violation of Education Forum policies.

        Infractions are cumulative.

        

    Here's one for you: You're a total xxxxwit.

    Matt, you seem intelligent and knowledgeable.  You know what you've done, intentionally.  Insulting me, W, and member Jim, along with others over time.  Your smart enough to have read the rules and know the suspension penalties double or more with admin/mod discretion.  You seem to insult just about anyone you converse with, a bit adversarial.  What is your purpose regarding the JFK assassination?  Here's a few days to think about it.

    Give Peace A Chance

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Ron Bulman

    From JFK trying to Give Peace A Chance, to Imagine being peaceful to yesterday being described as communistic at the Olympics.  I know it was a response to a McCartney song but this one makes me think more of Dulles or LBJ for starters.  Featuring George Harrison on slide guitar.

     

    Deletion of valid JFKA thread by mods

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

    The paralytic developed for CIA project MKNAOMI instantly paralyzed guard dogs to keep them from barking.

    https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/vol1/pdf/ChurchV1_6_Senseney.pdf

    page 162

    Never read this full testimony by Senseney before, never heard of him.  Obviously working indirectly for Gottlieb.  I'd read of the dog silencer, I thought much earlier in history.  A really interesting full read.

    Senator SCHWEIKER. The only thing that I know that was really used was the dog projectile. The other things were in the stockpiles. I don’t think anyone ever requested them. Senator SCHWEIKER. How do you know for certain it was for dogs? Mr. SENSENEY. Well, that is what they asked us to test them against. They wanted to see whether they could put a dog to sleep, and whether sometime later the dog would come back and be on its own and look normal. Senator SCHWEIKER. Of course, as I recall, that is what they did with Gary Powers’ drill with shellfish toxin. They tested it on a do to see if it would work. So I do not know that that at all woul Fi conclude that it was only provided for dogs. Of the devices that came through you, which of these were utilized in any capacity other than for testing! Mr. SENSENEY. That was the only one that I know of-the dog projectile. I call it a dog projectile. We were developing it because the scenario read that they wanted to be able to make entrance into an area which was patrolled by dogs, leave, the dog come back, and then no one would ever know they were in the area. So that was the reason for the dog projectile. Senator SCHWEIKER. And how many of these were made? Mr. SENSENEY. Well I would say there were probably as many as 50 at least. They tookSenator SCHWEIKER. About 502 Mr. SENSENEY. Yes. Senator SCHWEIKER. And didn’t you get any reports back from the field on their effectiveness ? Mr. SENSENEY. No. That is one thing you never get; you never get the feedsback. You did not know what happened. Senator SCHWEIEER. I’m puzzled by that. You are the research and development person ; you design the weapon-and I haven% seen a part of the military yet that did not have some feedback on whether it was effective in hitting the target or missing it. How do you know if you are doing things right ‘or wrong! Mr. SENSENEY. We must have been doing right. They kept asking for it. Senator SCHWEIKER. Then somebody was using them, I gather. Is that correct Z Mr. SENSENEY. I would assume so. The missile was gone when they returned the hardware, sir. Senator SCIIWEIKER. But you cannot give us any specific e

    Hit List-- The Systematic Murders of JFK Witnesses

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Kevin Balch said:

    Lee Bowers was transported to Methodist Hospital in Dallas (where J D Tippit was brought) where he died about 3 1/2 hours after the accident. So the Justice of the Peace was from Dallas.

    Has anyone read this book which goes into great detail about Bowers death?

    https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Assassination-Eyewitness-Conspiracy-Bowers/dp/1480803359/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416712989&sr=8-2&keywords=anita+dickason

    I think there may be a topic on this book or it was discussed in a thread on Bowers here on the forum some years ago.  I remember checking it out on amazon shortly after it came out.  I wondered about her sudden interest in one aspect of the JFK assassination in relation to her years at the DPD, then going on to write fiction.  Gary Shaw's (whose work I respect) review convinced me not to buy it.

    Reviewed in the United States on November 26, 2013

     
    Don't waste your time and money on this book. It is a feeble effort to debunk the "strange death" scenario that surrounds the tragic automobile death of an extremely important eyewitness who saw sinister and suspicious men behind the stockade fence in Dealey Plaza at the time of President Kennedy's assassination. The "who" and "what" Lee Bowers saw that fateful day was one of the most damaging pieces of evidence against the government's "lone assassin" theory. And a "Johnny-Come-Lately" attempt at investigating this 45-plus year-old accident is "no accident."

     

     

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