W. Niederhut

Get a clue, Ben. We all know that Trump and Biden refused to release the JFK records. This thread happens to be about Trump's reasons for not releasing the records. He told Roger Stone that what he learned was "so horrible you wouldn't believe it." Was he making that up, or telling the truth, in your myopic opinion? Meanwhile, Matt's point is about the larger issues of governing the country in the aftermath of Trump's disastrous tenure in the White House. See if you can figure that out. (I won't hold my breath.)

Yeah, sure, Ben. We shouldn't waste time asking RFK, Jr. about petty political issues like Trump's historic J6 attack on Congress, his slates of false Electors, or his stacking of the SCOTUS with reactionary right wing judges. Nor about minor stuff like Trump's multi-trillion dollar Reaganomic tax cuts for billionaires, his moronic withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accords, or his gutting of environmental regulations. Clean air, clean water, and climate change mitigation aren't that important. Nor is our gargantuan Reaganomic national debt, which can be managed by cutting Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security-- the GOP "Starve the Beast" strategy. That's just Op Mock stuff, eh, and we're all MAGAs now! What really matters is that Biden pulled a Donald Trump and declined to release those JFK records, for some reason. So, going forward, MAGA America also needs to get rid of ethical Harvardian eggheads like AG Merrick Garland, and re-establish a DOJ run by Trump's crooked, personal (ex-CIA) lawyer, GOP scandal cover-up artist, and Iran-Contra pardoner, Bill Barr. And we need to protect corrupt election funding with the GOP Citizens United ruling, and GOP voter suppression that has been enabled by the GOP gutting of the Voting Rights Act (by Shelby v. Holder.) Thank goodness that we have wise, perceptive guys like you to keep us all firmly centered in the MAGA-verse with your redundant daily MAGA tropes! 🙄

Prigozhin in Disguise

The only problem with this Speer Hypothesis is that all of the guys involved in the JFK murder plot were already dead by October of 2017. It's hard to kill guys who are already dead. So, we're left with Hypothesis #1 and Hypothesis #2 (above.)

Larry, There are many, many questions that would love to ask RFK, Jr., but some would need to be asked confidentially, in private. As for public questions, I would ask him about his reluctance to criticize Trump's disastrous policies. Surely, RFK,Jr. disagrees with Trump rolling back over 100 environmental regulations and withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accords, doesn't he? Does RFK,Jr. agree with Trump's 2017 multi-trillion dollar tax cut for corporations and billionaires? His efforts to sabotage Obamacare? His withdrawal from the international Iranian nuclear disarmament treaty? His reactionary right wing SCOTUS appointments? His efforts to overturn the 2020 election?

So, to summarize, there are two basic hypotheses about Roger Stone's claim. Hypothesis #1 Trump was shown some shocking, "horrible" stuff that prompted him to block the release of the JFK records. Hypothesis #2 (the Schnapf Hypothesis) Trump was embarrassed about getting "rolled by the Deep State," so he claimed that he was shown some shocking, "horrible" stuff that justified his snuff job on the JFK records.

Roger, What is redundant is your childish whining about the mods setting reasonable limits on Ben Cole's redundant 20+ threads about the "Biden snuff job"-- Ben's obvious effort to misrepresent the bipartisan suppression of the JFK records as a partisan issue in which "we are all MAGAs now." See if you can finally figure that one out. Perhaps you are unaware that Ben also actively championed Tucker Carlson's bogus MAGA narrative last year that Trump's J6 attack on Congress was a Deep State "patriot purge" op.

Kirk, Beating the dead horse here is intentional sarcasm about the MAGA spammer who has started at least 20 redundant threads about the "Biden snuff job." As for the 2017 Oliver Stone quote, I would translate, "rolled," as, "cowed into submission." Last week, Trump boldly told the Moms for Liberty that he was going to, "obliterate the Deep State," but when we needed Trump to step up and release the JFK records in 2017, he folded like a cheap suit.

Kirk, I agree that someone (Pompeo?) probably explained the "horrible" stuff in the files to Trump. But what the skeptics here are forgetting is that Trump was prepared to release the files in October of 2017. Then something caused him to change his mind in the 11th hour. As Oliver Stone said at the time, "Trump got rolled by the Deep State." Then Trump did a snuff job on the JFK records. Trump won the 2017 Orwell Award, then kicked the can to Joe Biden, while pretending to be a heroic adversary and victim of the Deep State. And the clueless MAGAs fell for the ruse.

Roger Stone wrote the absolute worst book I have purchased in the past decade-- Nixon's Secrets-- but I have to disagree with the skeptics on this one. I find it hard to believe that even Roger Stone -- or Tucker Carlson-- would make up a story this big. So, I'm voting for, YES, Trump saw some classified JFK files that "were so horrible (you) wouldn't believe it." But what were they? That LBJ and the Joint Chiefs were in on the murder plot, with Dulles and the CIA?

This claim by Roger Stone supports the speculation on the forum earlier this year that Trump may have been Tucker Carlson's source about the shocking JFK records. If Stone is telling the truth, something, obviously shocked Trump into doing a snuff job on the JFK records. But what? Would anyone nowadays be "shocked" to learn that the CIA killed JFK? Trump allegedly told Roger Stone that, "It was so horrible you wouldn't believe it."

It's another classic Trump projection-- accuses others of his own nasal habits.

Some witty person has referred to the Moms for Liberty as, "Assholes With Casseroles.". 🤣

Huh? Only one? Have you tried counting all of Ben's redundant threads on the same topic?

We're all MAGAs now... 🙄 And we need to support the continued reactionary rulings of the Trump/Koch/GOP SCOTUS going forward! Progress in rolling back progressive legislation has been made by the MAGA Trump cult! The Trump SCOTUS has overturned Roe v. Wade, affirmative action, and Biden's debt relief order for working class students. They have also ruled that businesses can discriminate against gay and lesbian citizens. Previously, the Koch/GOP SCOTUS ruled that billionaires can buy U.S. elections, (Citizens United) and they also ruled that Republicans can suppress the black vote in the Deep MAGA South (Shelby v. Holder.) But there are more civil rights and progressive laws that need to be rolled back! Support Ben Cole and our Trump MAGAs!!!! Because Biden, like Trump, has refused to release the JFK records!! Not to mention Hunter Biden's laptop!!

Roger, Did you take the time to tally all of Ben Cole's redundant daily anti-Biden threads here on the exact same topic? How many redundant Ben Cole threads do we need? Also, I noticed that you never objected to the mods removing the only two threads in EF history about Trump's historic snuff job on the JFK records-- which was ignored by the mainstream media. Explain. Perhaps you could spare a few moments from posting your redundant whiney threads to count Ben's redundant anti-Biden MAGA spam threads.

III. Unknown Soldier by the Doors. 1968 anti-war rock ballad written by Jim Morrison, the son of the U.S. fleet commander during the CIA's Gulf of Tonkin false flag incident.

II. Woodstock by CSN&Y-- the great anti-war rock anthem adapted from Joni Mitchell's melancholy 1970 electric piano song. "And I dreamed I saw the bomber jet planes riding shotgun in the sky, turning into butterflies above our nation."

Here are my nominations for celebratory July 4th rock anthems. I. Holiday by Green Day This one premiered on Green Day's phenomenal 2004 album, American Idiot, "celebrating" Bush & Cheney's Operation Shock & Awe in Iraq. When I first heard this album, I told an old high school rock 'n roll buddy that it was probably the best song writing and rock ensemble that I had heard on a single album since Who's Next. "Zieg Heil," to the President gas man, "Bombs away is your punishment," pulverizing Eiffel Towers, who criticize your government.

Roger, Get a clue. Why don't you do a tally of MAGA Ben Cole's redundant daily threads about this exact same topic during the past two months. How many redundant Ben Cole threads can you count? Do you feel equally indignant about the removal of the only TWO threads in EF history about Trump's historic refusal to release the JFK records?

Well said, Mark. I must also confess that the 4th of July has always been my least favorite holiday, ever since the escalation of the Vietnam War, following JFK's murder. I'm not proud of America's misguided militarism. It troubles me. Fireworks are exploding in my neighborhood as I write this, and I'm wondering why Americans are so enamored of guns and "bombs bursting in air." I had a falling out with some relatives on July 4, 2003, because I was so disgusted with Bush & Cheney's invasion of Iraq that I refused to attend a July 4th celebration. My father was a decorated WWII combat veteran, but I never saw him wave a flag or go to a parade. He was skeptical about American jingoism and "patriotism."

Mark, Ben Cole's redundant, daily anti-Biden MAGA spam threads should be removed from the JFK forum to the MAGA Water Cooler, especially since the only two threads in forum history about Trump blocking the release of the JFK records were removed from the JFK forum.

Ben, Your redundant anti-Biden spam threads should all be moved to the MAGA Water Cooler.

Hey look, folks... It's MAGA Ben Cole's redundant, daily anti-Biden spam thread about the records. MAGA Ben actually started two threads here yesterday about the exact same topic. Most days, Ben starts only one new thread on the exact same topic. Meanwhile, the only two forum threads about Trump's suppression of the JFK records-- from September of 2020, and this week-- have been moved to the Political Discussion board. Makes a lot of sense.