Jason Ward

I don't think the letter suggests much of anything, but IMO it implies she isn't part of a conspiracy or it's coverup. She could have easily not mentioned this previously unknown letter at all. Furthermore, Barbara Bush could have left out the crude but accurate intense hope of The Right that the murder get blamed on a commie nut versus a right wing nut. There's no conspiratorial reason for her to admit the unflattering reaction of The Right at 2PM on 22NOV1963 - which was no concern for Kennedy's wife or kids nor even national security, but instead for gaining political points at the expense of The Left by quickly tagging a commie assassin. Jason

I might suggest Day is accurate, because why would they call the "crime lab" except in a situation where they needed the "crime lab," which to me indicates they found evidence at about 12:58 or earlier, consistent with Luke Mooney's testimony - but inconsistent with Capt Fritz and the published radio transcript. <<<>>><<<>>> I've spent the last 24 hours looking for incongruities in the police testimony with a focus on Captain Fritz or other police leaders (i.e. Decker, Sawyer, Curry) in particular. I've got a long list of issues to double check and possibly post, but for the moment this claim from Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry is what I'd like to highlight: Why is Curry so certain of this detailed and important process when he wasn't even there? Why does Sawyer fail to mention any search of automobiles or license plate checks? Why is there no DPD written record of license plates checked or people whose car was parked in the lot? Isn't Curry suggesting that the order to seal the TSBD came from Lumpkin at 1:00 or later? Understanding the activity around the triple underpass, the railroad tracks, and adjacent parking lot is perhaps a critical and obvious step in processing the crime scene. Why is the record almost completely empty of any efforts in this area? Ok.

Hi Paul, Ok, we have taken a brief look at how the Tippit murder may play into the master timeline of events on 22NOV63. IMO testimony suggests that several events at the TSBD happened about 15 minutes earlier than Fritz wants us to believe. For instance, Deputy Mooney testifies to discovering the sniper's nest at or before 1pm - yet - there is a concerted effort elsewhere to officially place this event at 1:12. All the cops are nearly unanimous in testimony that the sequence was very quick as between discovering spent shell casings, then the rifle, then hearing of Tippit's murder. The Dallas radio transcript has the first citywide broadcast of Tippit's murder at 1:18. I see a retroactive effort to use this as a concrete timestamp with which the cops retroactively must reconstruct the purported time of events. In short we can't have Mooney finding evidence before 1 because this would mean they hear of Tippit's death at around 1, which in turn would mean they hear of Tippit's death through a conduit other than the standard police radio. So, they officially move everything closer to the 1:18 announcement of Tippit's death. I suggest this is an effort to hide the truth, which in turn is evidence of a criminal state of mind. Did Fritz and the TSBD cops learn of Tippit's death earlier than everyone else? Did Roscoe White or other sources make Fritz aware of Tippit before the official version of events which has a citizen alerting DPD to the murder on Tippit's own radio??? Ok, I think I'll compare Fritz to a couple more sources and I still want to concentrate on the first couple hours after gunfire for now. Later, it will be interesting to bring in some additional testimony from the likes of Hosty, Holmes and Bookhout around the final hours of Oswald's life. I have to tell everyone that Mary Ferrell's chronologies are a priceless resource and IMO more valuable than any conspiracy book for those who prefer to weigh the raw evidence themselves. The chronologies are freely available here: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Featured_Mary_Ferrell_Chronologies.html?search=chronologies Although Mary Ferrell's chronologies are wonderfully "just the facts" in format; an occasional hidden gem is found in Mary's notes. Perhaps most pertinent to our current look at the timeline in testimony versus radio logs is this handwritten hint from Mary to all future researchers: INDEED! Why wasn't the sniper's nest reached before 1:10pm? Brennan and half a dozen other witnesses are almost immediately pinpointing a high floor of the TSBD as the location of a man firing a rile. Why do the police tell us they don't reach the sniper's nest until 40 minutes after the gunfire? I've said above that I wonder if Mooney and others are sloppily trying to comply with a Fritz-ordered effort to delay the time evidence is discovered when giving official testimony - in order to line up with the radio announcement of Tippit's murder. But, even if this test hypothesis is wrong and there is no effort to hide the true time evidence is discovered, don't we just have to join Mary Ferrell and look at the plain testimony of witnesses to ask WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE 6TH FLOOR FOR THE FIRST HALF HOUR+ AFTER THE ASSASSINATION???? (ok, let's quit beating around the bush here - perhaps there is no true time when the evidence is discovered, because everything is planted evidence? Should we ask if the whole timeline of the cops inside the TSBD is purely artificial?) Doesn't evidence indicate the police should be finding the sniper's nest at more like 12:45 or earlier? Again Mary Ferrell: Shouldn't Mooeny be finding the sniper's nest shortly after Victoria Adams sees him? «««Jason's Test Hypothesis»»»™ Whoever Mooney sees coming down the stairs plants the shells and arranges the rifle. Mooney is a useful idiot whose role is to discover the fabricated crime scene? SOURCES: 1. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40392#relPageId=187&tab=page 2. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40392#relPageId=189&tab=page

Hi Paul, 1. The big problem here is Roscoe White's son and wife. This Texas Monthly article of 1990 gives a readable insight. Roscoe White's son is accused of manufacturing at least some evidence. http://web.archive.org/web/20030131180606/http://www.texasmonthly.com/archive/mandarin/mandarin.1.html 2. This Roscoe White scenario seems to fold into Mike Robinson's report of an overheard conversation at DPD. This is Jack White writing in The Third Decade, Vol 6, No. 6, September 1990. 3. BUT has this conclusion from Dave Perry become the mainstream view of "the Roscoe White Story?" Snippet from The Fourth Decade, Vol 4, No 1, November 1996. 4. However, the "Roscoe White Story" was perhaps not initiated by his son Ricky in the late 80s, but by the HSCA in the 1970s based on solid evidence: -HSCA testimony 5. Does all this in any way shadow the testimony of Mike Robinson? My main concern here is around the way all this came into the public. Robinson's memory of the conversation he overheard at DPD where Roscoe White is castigated for shooting Tippit instead of Oswald does not emerge, AFAIK, until after Roscoe White's son is making waves with the likes of the Texas Monthly article above. Walt Thomas discovers Robinson, IIRC, floating around the publicity given the 30th anniversary of the assassination in 1993. 6. As you point, out, there is nevertheless strong evidence of some hidden relationship between Roscoe White and the Oswald-as-patsy conspiracy. As discussed in the above HSCA testimony, in 1978 a totally new photo of Oswald-posing-as-violent-communist in the backyard of his Neely St apartment comes to light. Both Roscoe White's widow and retired DPD officer Stovall are found with this identical never-before-seen backyard photo of Oswald, different from the Life magazine cover. Why on earth would Roscoe White end up with an unseen version of these famous photos? ====+++===+++=== So, I've spent the last 48 hours reviewing the issue of Mike Robinson, Tippit, and White. I think I've decided to leave it as an unanswered question. In any case, perhaps thinking through the "SCENARIO PUZZLE PIECES" posted above may be useful in marshaling other evidence towards a viable conclusion. Or, this may be an entirely pointless detour. Jason DPD Officer Roscoe White: Why does he have a unique, unpublished version of Oswald's backyard photo among his possessions? ---HSCA mugbook

Hi Paul, I don't see any realistic explanation for the hypothesis that Roscoe White shot Tippit other than that he was ordered to do so by the ringleader(s) of the JFK assassination, do you? It's not plausible to think it could be either an accident or a case of White acting on his own initiative, is it? I mean White is an order-taker. If he shot a cop it's only because someone he extremely trusts to protect him told him to shoot a cop, IMO. Only police leadership could offer that kind of protection, don't you think ? Assuming the teenage boy Mike Robinson understood the conversation at the time and retold it accurately decades later, this implies duplicity within the layers of the conspiracy, does it not? If Roscoe White would only shoot Tippit under orders to shoot Tippit ---but--- other officers involved in the conspiracy expected Roscoe White to shoot Oswald....then the command layer is manipulating the operational layer with a sudden surprise dead cop instead of a dead Oswald. Right? In any case I think the weight of evidence we've discussed in the recent posts of this thread point towards the possibility that action at the TSBD was moving with foreknowledge of an Oak Cliff shooting - foreknowledge they later sloppily tried to hide by moving events closer to the 1:18 broadcast of Tippit's murder when testifying for the WC. NOW, at about 1pm on 22NOV63, who's murder is next in the planned lineup: Tippit's or Oswald's? Both are not long for this world, and it's plausible both must die. ... or, dare we even think it, are both slated to die that very day very close to each other in Oak Cliff? What are the true implications of Robinson's claim that White was berated for shooting Tiipit instead of Oswald??? Jason

Hi Paul, I'm not here to sell or defend a CT so if the possibility that Fritz's timeframe is ~15 minutes earlier than he lets on sounds stupid, fine, let's move on. However, perhaps you already realize that Mike Robinson's testimony as quoted by Walt Brown's book Treachery in Dallas provides an implied back channel for Fritz to learn of Tippit's death before the citizen calls on Tippit's radio? If Mike Robinson is correct, Fritz et al. learn of the Tippit shooting substantially before the rest of the world.....right? Jason

It's really only what the likes of you and Dr Caufield and Jerry Rose have already said. All I'm suggesting we consider is that the impact of switching from commie conspiracy to Lone Nut might be seen in the timeframe schism that to me sticks out like a sore thumb. In essence, the WC was never part of the plan and the tiresome need to matchup testimony with radio logs creates a problem they never anticipated. They planned for this day to be done at about 1pm with Oswald dead. Furthermore, the assassination was to be blamed on Castro using the Mexico City visit as the last link in the commie conspiracy money pipeline. Instead they had to deal with an unplanned 3 day saga of Oswald still alive and they had to tidy up the lingering commie conspiracy evidence already planted in the record. It's not a whole CT, it's merely an expansion of an existing one that might cast the timeframe and testimony in a different light. I am never emotionally invested in a CT and my subplots that may or may not form into your CT... so if anything I bring up doesn't make sense we can just drop it right away and I will not be trying to defend silly ideas. Jason

YES. This makes sense to me. The sudden switch to the Lone Nut narrative -in the afternoon of a day that was meant to unmask a commie conspiracy paying Oswald with Castro's money- also requires reversing some of the evidence pointing to conspiracy already briefly established by that point in the script. Shouldn't we look at the early TSBD events post-assassination as still on the commie conspiracy script, which included Oswald's immediate death and a quick end to the story? The Mauser bugs me. There has to be a reason all the men you say are conspirators mention it - this is no mistake. Mauser or not is irrelevant, the relevant part is so many mention the Mauser. Your point of a midday change to Lone Nut instead of commie conspiracy can finally explain the Mauser enough for me. Sure, they always meant to find Oswald's rifle. They had him bring it to work. But didn't they also mean to ignite near hysteria across the nation with the revelation of a commie conspiracy, a conspiracy in which at least one [Mauser using] conspirator remains at large? Couldn't the Mauser + Tippit's death + Walther's trunk full of file cabinets signal places where the script was changed even after SOME of the commie conspiracy script was already acted out as planned? Why is the rest of the day + Saturday such a blank page as to what's happening at DPD headquarters? 1. They have to hastily wrench evidence into a Lone Nut narrative, and discard conspiracy evidence such as: 6 file cabinets, witnesses including cops going to the grassy knoll, + the Mauser, -and- of course they must 2. stage an improbable murder of Oswald, and the best they come up with is so absurd that it defies belief. Paul, I think they were hoping for another red scare and even war. Perhaps they even had a list of political enemies on the Left who would be revealed as connected to Oswald or Castro. But, as you say, the script changed to Lone Nut....but don't artifacts of the commie conspiracy narrative become apparent in all this testimony? Jason

...perhaps because both Roger Craig and the DPD radio dispatch log are correct? .....Which of course means certain other police witnesses have altered, but in near-unison agreed to alter, the timeframe as testified to the WC. ...so, perhaps both Roger Craig and Roy Truly are correct? ...and the police radio logs are correct. ...and Mooney's testimony about guarding the evidence PRIOR to 1pm is correct. ...and if in your CT Roy Truly is no conspirator...and there's no reason why Roger Craig would pick 1:06 out of his hat randomly, is there? IN SUM, PERHAPS: 1245-1250 Truly has informed DPD that Oswald is missing as he says. Fritz learns this no later than his arrival at DPD, no later than 1258, even though I now throw open the possibility that Fritz arrives earlier at the TSBD, which makes sense given the short distance between Parkland and TSBD. 1258-1 Hulls found, as Mooney says. 1:06 The rifle is found, as Craig says, which in turn means the empty shell casings were found a bit earlier - as Mooney says. 1:06 [all witnesses refuse to identify the exact person who makes an] announcement that an officer is shot in Oak Cliff ----insert mysterious interregnum implied by mismatched testimony around time--- whereby Fritz goes by Decker's office and doesn't re-appear in a verifiable time and place until about 2:20 when Oswald is already in custody at DPD headquarters <this is a panic/heart-attack time for Fritz and Decker> 1:18 Citizen calls on Tippit's radio to say a policeman is shot dead next to his car IMPLICATION: By the time of WC testimony, the conspirators MUST show the rifle found at a time much closer to the DPD radio announcement at 1:18, therefore they must in testimony delay the time the rifle was found - 1:12 is the time they all agree upon. In turn, they must delay the time they hear about Oswald from Truly You've always known it, Paul - Tippit's murder is a monkey wrench in the plan and by the very fact that it is unplanned it becomes perhaps the Rosetta Stone to figuring out the assassination. On Nov 22 around 1, they are now off-script and ad-libbing because Tippit is killed. By the time of WC they are moving the times later (hulls discovered/rifle discovered/Truly's information/news of Tippit's murder/even perhaps Fritz's arrival at TSBD that he wants to make sure is never contested)..... because they now have to GET CLOSE to matching the radio logs to cover up their ad-libbing. They have to move EVERYTHING closer to 1:18 - Truly, gun, shells, everything! THE KEY: Radio logs. All the mendacity is generated by having to match the radio logs for the WC, which they never planned on having to do, because Oswald was meant to be dead asap. All of ACT III was re-written on the spot and re-written sloppily - they meant ACT III to be Tippit offs Oswald. The end. No timeframe discussion needed. NOW, for the WC, they have to explain all kinds of timestamps they never planned on having to explain - when the gun was fund, when they heard from Truly and what they heard from Truly, when they heard of Tippit's death, et al., - all this was made up as they went along and it DOESN'T WORK in retrospect. Truly has wildly different timeframes because all the cops have moved everything later to justify their actions in light of the radio logs. Truly has no radio log he has to align with his testimony. Fritz knows this is very thin and dangerous ice he's now walking on so in WC testimony FRITZ pinpoints no time whatsoever, except his arrival time at TSBD. He relies on everyone else to testify to a 1:12 timestamp and other time references, which is closer to the 1:18 radio call about Tippit....which in turn is necessary because everyone remembers that the rifle and the news about Tippit come in rapid succession. Follow me? It means that Fritz & Company are moving to Oak Cliff before there's any established reason to go to Oak Cliff...as if..they knew beforehand that the next scene in the play had to move to Oak Cliff even if in the actual event there was no plausible reason to do so. ACT III had begun. In retrospect, in front of the WC, they can only explain why ACT III moves to Oak Cliff by moving all the TSBD action closer to the 1:18 radio call (remember they were expecting a 1pm radio call from Tippit saying Oswald was shot.) They now have an 18 minute problem. The scripted call from Tippit around 1 has been replaced by the uscripted call from a citizen at 1:18. The radio logs and TSBD timeframes as testified by Truly and Craig don't match up well - because in fact Fritz is changing the scenery to ACT III in Oak Cliff, just as if -according to script- Tippit had shot Oswald. Maybe he hopes Tippit has shot Oswald and he just hasn't heard about it yet. THEN --->total misfire--->Tippit is dead and they hear about it AFTER director Fritz is already moving ACT III to Oak Cliff. EMERGENCY conference with Decker required. ===***===***=== THEY HAD TO GET GOING TO OAK CLIFF whether there's a radio announcement or not. In the event, instead of Tippit calling in at 1 to say Oswald is dead, there was dead air. Dead air for 18 minutes. PROBLEM...they'd already established in a script that they find the shells, the rifle, and hear from Truly by 1:06. So they acted the script until the snafu of Tippit's missing radio call ignites timeframe chaos. In other words - the script is going right on cue....until....dead air....Where's the call from Tippit saying Oswald's dead? ...dead air.... (but the players nervously continue on script moving the action towards Oak Cliff) 1:18 FINALLY, a relevant transmission = Tippit is dead, not Oswald. Emergency. Immediate conference between Decker and Fritz required. In your CT, IIRC, Fritz already knows Oswald is the patsy when the day begins and on 22 November Fritz is acting at all times with this knowledge. However, by the time of WC testimony, his actions that day must look as if he has no idea who shot JFK until Truly says Oswald is missing. With (1) the missing critical scene where Tippit shoots Oswald and (2) with the off-script event of the Tippit shooting, ALL THE TSBD action has to happen later - 15-20 minutes later, because the Tippit shooting is reported 15-20 minutes later than the scripted transmission from Tippet they were expecting. If Oswald was supposed to be dead anyway by Tippit's gun, none of this timing question was going to matter. Dead president, dead assassin. Neat. Easy. ACCORDING TO SCRIPT: No one's going to go looking into the timeframe of all the TSBD events AND no one's going to go looking into the timeframe to explain how Oswald was caught because lone-cop Tippit caught Oswald singlehandedly just by good intincts. No need to methodically rebuild the TSBD timeframe to show how they were able to capture Oswald. ...But in the actual event they are playing it by ear, and by the time of WC testimony they have to explain how/when/why Tippit was shot and how/when they hear of Tippit's death, plus how/when/why they leave TSBD when they do, plus how/when/why they manage to catch Oswald at Texas Theatre...all of which in the actual event was done on the fly and off script, but now has to be sloppily half-way sorta explained to the WC and matched reasonably well to radio logs. THEREFORE, Fritz testifies to nothing about time frame. It's a giant quagmire for him because he's at the center of all relevant acts in the play; in fact he is the play's director. HOWEVER, other less involved characters can help Fritz out of this jam and establish the 1:12 time frame because they aren't so wrapped up in explaining their behavior, they just take orders...but Fritz has to explain WHY he gives the orders when he does. So he has no timestamp in his testomony. You've been right all along here - the timeframe tells us everything and Tippit's murder interacts with the timeframe by throwing it off by at least 20 minutes. Remember - the script is in effect and everything has pre-planned times such as the TSBD events...but...the 1o'clock scene fails to materialize when Tippit doesn't call saying Oswald is dead. Fritz knew it in his testimony, so he offers no timeframe, but makes darn sure everyone else makes a timeframe to explain Fritz's decisions and movements. Furthermore, I ask you to think deeper about the consequences of Tippit's unplanned murder on the day's script. Tippit killing Oswald was meant to be THE END...., ....THINK what NOT HAVING the expected call from Tippit announcing the assassin is dead, the case is solved, the play is over, the script is done, everyone can go home now.... ....means to a. the post-1pm actions on 22NOV and b. the WC testimony that has to explain the post-Tippit events and match it to the radio logs. Everything has for awhile spun out of control, now timeframes must be fixed retroactively from the original script to match radio logs in the aftermath of Tippit's death. Follow me??????? Jason An actor missed his cue, the actor, Tippit, was dead. Now it's ad-lib time and the messy WC testimony has to cover up the ad-libbing, AND...radio transcripts now must lead the given testimony. It was meant to be an open-and-shut case with no close radio log scrutiny, no Tippit murder, and certainly no absurd Ruby-murdering-Oswald in police custody. Without the unplanned Tippit murder and Ruby fiasco, the radio logs et al. never come in to play because who would care?....IMO. [Of course, if Tippit's murder was part of the plan, disregard everything in this post.] Compare to the testimony of the boy Mike Robinson overhearing the conversation in the men's room of DPD HQ documented by Walt Brown....the testimony that Oswald should be dead according to script, not Tippit.

Hi Paul, One of the habits we can all fall into is chasing evidentiary diversions down a deeper and deeper rabbit hole such that we lose the bigger plot. So, this point I make now should perhaps only be mentioned, with the idea that it may not mean anything OR we may need to come back to it. My point is an interrogatory: Is it possible Fritz & Co. on the 6th floor have earlier knowledge of the Tippit shooting than the official radio transcripts indicate? Alternatively, is it possible that the script calls for them to be moving towards Oak Cliff at xx:xx time whether or not they actually hear of a shooting? I mean, after all, there is something of a variable here - they rely on a citizen climbing into Tippit's car to use the radio in order to establish a time stamp of the earliest possible moment they could suddenly leave the 6th floor and/or send an army of officers to Oak Cliff. Well, what if the citizens are so paralyzed by shock they don't even try to use the radio? What if Tippit is dead and bloody in the car and no one wants to disturb a corpse to use the radio? It's a big problem! ... and the variable means that potentially the police don't officially hear of Tippit's shooting until 10 or 20 minutes later....then the whole dramatic Texas Theatre Oswald arrest becomes unlikely or even impossible to justify. Furthermore, what if Tippit was supposed to shoot Oswald and make this known to the world at 1:00? I ask if perhaps it is 1pm when Fritz and Company plan to begin the whole Oak Cliff-Oswald Captured segment of the script....only!...the day goes wildly off script....they don't hear from Tippit at the expected time, and start the big scene transition to Oak Cliff anyway AT 1:04 AS CRAIG SUGGESGTS. Then, around 1:18, total train wreck happens and they hear Tippit is shot, even though they've already begun moving towards Oak Cliff in preparation for Tippit to call in and say Oswald is shot. ****THEY HAD TO GET MOVING WHETHER OR NOT THEY HEAR OF THE TIPPIT SHOOTING OTHERWISE THERE IS NO PLAUSIBLE STORY AROUND CATCHING OSWALD**** there MUST BE A CUTOFF TIME TO BEGIN THE SCENE TRANSITION TO OAK CLIFF OR IT'S POSSIBLE OSWALD DOESN'T GET CAPTURED. As I said, this train of thought may only be a diversion. But I sense the 2:04 timestamp that Craig puts on finding the rifle is significant. This means Fritz "hears" of the Tippit shooting at 2:04, 14 minutes before it is announced. Kindly chew on that and let me know. I'd like to go down this potential rabbit hole just a little bit under two forms of the script - script A is Tippit was supposed to shoot Oswald, but they don't hear Tippit's call to confirm this at the appointed time (I suggest 1:00pm).......Script B is Tippit himself is to be shot by ????? and they are already expecting a dead police officer in Oak Cliff at about 1, so start reacting to this even before it is announced on the radio. Jason

Hi Paul, In keeping with your inclination to focus on DPD Captain Fritz, I am reviewing a few other sources. Besides the report written by Lumpkin which I posted above that tends to imply the rifle was found somewhat before 1:12, I also have more evidence to consider. Dallas County Sheriff Deputy Roger Craig has an unpublished manuscript in which he says that almost at the exact moment the rifle was identified... 1. "At that exact moment an unknown Dallas police officer came running up the stairs and advised Capt. Fritz that a Dallas policeman had been shot in the Oak Cliff area. I instinctively looked at my watch. The time was 1:06 p.m. A token force of uniformed officers was left to keep the sixth floor secure and Fritz, Day, Boone, Mooney, Weitzman and I left the building. " ~DPD Sheriff Deputy Roger Craig 2. Fritz refuses to say when the rifle was found; however, a time of 1:12 is apparently the officially agreed-upon-time as other officers who can pin no other time down that day are able to pick 1:12 as the time the rifle was found. Everyone agrees that immediately after the rifle was found, they hear of Tippit's shooting. The DPD radio log indicates: 115 Civilian uses police radio to report a shot police officer on 10th St 118 “all squads officer shot 400 E 10th” 3. I suggest this means that 1:18 is when they ARE SUPPOSED to hear of the Tippit shooting. If Roger Craig is right, and he alone claims to have looked at his watch, this means there is a time discrepancy here of 10-15 minutes. It seems to me they pulled the 1:12 time out of hat, possibly after looking at the radio logs. I suggest there was about 12 minutes of unknown action on the 6th floor of TSBD during this period - that is between 1:06 and 1:18. 4. Furthermore, I suggest there is strong evidence to indicate Capt Fritz and everyone else on the 6th floor hears of the Tippit shooting well before the official time on the police radio logs of 1:18. This is a problem they have to hide. So - I see two big problems with Fritz here. 1. There is evidence the rifle was found noticeably earlier than the police say; and 2. There is evidence that at least Fritz and the 6th floor hear of the Tippit shooting before the official broadcast. SO -it seems- THEY MUST SKEW the timeline of the rifle find in order to cover up the fact they have un-announced knowledge of the Tippit murder. Everyone remembers that the rifle find and the hearing of the Tippit murder happen at the same time. But if this happens at 1:06 as Roger Craig says.....then this is a BIG problem. Am I missing something here???? SOURCE: Roger Craig, When They Kill a President (unpublished). https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/WTKaP.html#s5

Hi Paul, It seems to me Fritz has to muddy the waters around time because he's got another problem besides hiding his chats with Decker. The problem is now they've got a supplied narrative with Oswald moving around Oak Cliff at such high speed that the REAL sequence of events don't line up. In other words, there is a SEQUENCE to the events immediately after JFK's murder and especially what happens in the TSBD that -perhaps- they've all agreed upon in advance. However, when they later realize they have to give Oswald enough time to do all that hyperactive movement after time in a bus and cab, they get a little muddled. 1. Lumpkin says Lt Day arrives at 1:12. Doesn't this indicate he was CALLED to the TSBD by found shells somewhat before 1:12? This 1:12 time shows up in a lot of testimony, but not everyone remembers what was supposed to happen at 1:12. The problem is that if the hulls are found too much before 1:12, the sequence of events becomes too early for them to hear of the Tippit shooting, keeping in mind the Tippit shooting has to be pinpointed at a time that gives Oswald enough to move around as much as they say he moves around... I guess my point is that Oswald's officially mandated activities are a logistical problem to line up with the sequence of events going on in the TSBD at this time.

Hi Paul, Even though officers Boyd, Sims, Mooney (and others?) happily report that Sheriff Decker and DPD Captain Fritz have at least two blocs of time together shortly after the assassination, Fritz omits any mention of Decker. Why??? Sheriff Decker is at this time something of a living legend who's already had national exposure and who helped capture Bonnie and Clyde. Does it seem natural to omit a 10-13 minute car ride with him from Parkland Hospital to the TSBD? Does it seem innocent for Fritz to omit mentioning the pow wow he has in Decker's office after leaving the TSBD? The timeline indicates it takes something close to an hour for Fritz to leave the TSBD and get back to City Hall to interrogate Oswald: it's a glaring hole in his testimony, perhaps only partially filled by the chat at the conveniently located sheriff's office in Dealey Plaza. 1. Officer Sims lets it slip that Decker and Fritz ride together from Parkland to Dealey Plaza. Then, shortly after finding the rifle and hearing of Ruth Paine's address from Roy Truly, Sims also perhaps goes off script and reveals that Fritz stops by Decker's office so Fritz and Decker can chat: 2. Fritz denies knowing when either the shell casings or the rifle was found. Contradicting Sims and Boyd, Fritz omits any mention of meeting with Sheriff Decker: 3 Capt Fritz says he leaves for City Hall right after the rifle is found. He omits dropping in to meet privately with Sheriff Decker. He shows up about an hour later to interrogate Oswald. Why is there a missing hour in his timeline? (approx 1:20 - 2:20) 4. Boyd, like Sims, also remembers the formidable presence of Sheriff Decker in the car between Parkland and Dealey Plaza; strangely Fritz forgets to mention Decker at all. Then, Boyd remembers that they don't leave the TSBD straight for City Hall (as Fritz claims), but instead stop across the street so Fritz and Decker can chat. Notice too that Boyd remembers a plan to go straight to the Paine's house after the TSBD. Is this changed after meeting with Decker? Both Boyd and Fritz agree that Fritz is back at the station at about 2:20 - but Boyd adequately explains where they've been for the last hour - Fritz does not. 5. Decker suggests he is at the TSBD when the rifle and shells are found. This matches Mooney's testimony. But why does Decker say, "and Fritz arrived," since both Boyd and Sims testified that Decker and Fritz arrive at the TSBD together? Decker also suggests he and Fritz have a chat in his office. 6. These are the time references Decker provides on the most notable day in Dallas history and the day he is travelling in a presidential motorcade when the president is shot <100 yards from his office:

Fritz testifies he is at the Market Hall providing security for the planned presidential luncheon when he hears of the attack on Kennedy. He goes to Parkland asap. (why???). At Parkland, Chief Curie immediately orders him to Dealey Plaza. 1. Fritz is at the Trade Mart waiting for Kennedy to appear - he has helpfully created a team notebook to assist in testimony. 2. Fritz already starts to waffle a little bit here about when the president was shot and when he heard about it. He picks a time of 12:35. See radio logs below. 3. Fritz testifies to a kind of rolling stop at Parkland where DPD Police Chief Curry is hanging out on the curb for unknown reasons at 12:45 - and it takes him 13 minutes to get to Parkland. (sidenote: with 2 gunshot victims in the form of a US president and Texas governor inside, why is Curry outside on the curb ready to intercept Fritz???) About the only time Fritz pinpoints in all of his 40+ pages of testimony is his 12:58 arrival time at the TSBD. Why is this the one time Fritz wants noted for all posterity? 4. A spatial analysis of Fritz's testimony indicates it takes him about 10 minutes to travel 1.5 miles from the Market Hall to Parkland. This is 9 MPH. 5. Granted, the distance in this map is given in terms of a straight line and does not account for road routes, stoplights, traffic, and other obstacles. Is it safe to assume Fritz can use a siren and flashing lights to speed from Parkland to the TSBD? Fritz testifies it takes 13 minutes to travel about 5 miles from Parkland to the TSBD. If my math is right, he is implying a speed of about 24 MPH. 6. The relevant portion of the DPD radio logs (see earlier post in this thread). The broadcast that must have alerted Fritz to the attack on Kennedy occurs between 12:30 and 12:34. Fritz testifies he hears about it at 12:35. This sounds reasonable. But is it reasonable to tour through Parkland and get to the scene of the crime ~30 minutes later, apparently traveling between 9 and 24 MPH? Shouldn't Fritz be at the TSBD around 12:45ish merely by driving at the normal speed limit? Is there perhaps a more lengthy meeting between Curry and Fritz at Parkland? 1230 [Sheriff Decker] Have Parkland stand by…get a man to the triple underpass…pull every one of my men in there. President has been hit. 1234 Witness identifies shots from the TSBD 1235 1236 Witness identifies shots fired from the 5th floor of the TSBD 1237 Officers ordered to the TSBD Wounded witness identified; possibly hit by concrete or bullet fragment Witness identifies gunman in southeast corner of TSBD Officers now searching TSBD

Hi Paul, Thanks for indulging what may seem like a pedantic exercise. This is a minor point which I don't at all want to argue. Perhaps I just want to note that as between DPD motorcycle cop Marrion Baker and Dallas County Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney, a reasonable assumption arises that they were each together in the TSBD for 10-15 minutes. Baker mostly has TSBD boss Truly tagging along, who supports Baker's timeline. In fact, given that both Mooney and Baker are both using the northwest stairs repeatedly around the 6th and 7th floor area, we might ask why they don't see each other? There are points in Baker's testimony that we can use to triangulate the positions of Luke Mooney & Inspector Sawyer. So, I agree we should continue to dissect Captain Fritz's testimony and timeline, but I do think it's interesting to pause and do a little comparison shopping here - whose testimony would you buy? Whose would you leave on the shelf? (I) DPD Motorcycle officer Marrion Baker testifies: [btw Dulles and WC Attorney Belin are verbally sparring with each other to see who can manage or lead Baker's testimony] 1. Marrion Baker almost single-handedly destroys the Oswald Lone Nut narrative because his testimony is timed accurately and he even re-enacted his movements later with a stopwatch: 2. Baker goes to the NORTHWEST corner - isn't this the same place Deputy Mooney goes? 3. Officer Baker and Truly see Oswald: 4. Almost catastrophically to the Oswald-as-Lone-Nut narrative WC member Congressman Boggs insists on recording for all posterity the exact time Officer Baker and Truly see Oswald. Baker doesn't waffle -- even though just an extra minute here will greatly enhance the Lone Nut scenario and this is one minute of extra time the conspirators desperately need to establish. Worse, Baker has actually timed his movements to the second. It is 90 seconds OR LESS from the first shot until the time Oswald is seen calmly sipping a Coke: 5. This WC illustration of the TSBD has North to the bottom. Aren't both Mooney and Baker are using the same stairs at the same time in the northwest corner (bottom right)? 6. Baker proceeds to the roof, climbs the HERTZ sign, and recalls that the last transmission he heard on his motorbike radio was a command to get officers to the railroad track area. He spends 5 minutes on the roof looking for a sniper. 7. On the way back down from the roof, DPD Officer Marrion Baker encounters.....Inspector Sawyer! 8. Baker spends 15 minutes in the TSBD and correlating this to the testimony of Inspector Sawyer, Baker must leave the TSBD around 12:45ish. By the estimate above in this thread of Deputy Luke Mooney's timeline, shouldn't Baker and Mooney thus spend 10+ minutes together in the TSBD, much of it on the 6th or 7th floors or the roof? Are we even sure Mooney isn't basically camped out at the 6th floor sniper's nest, hidden from Baker and Truly, during this whole period? (II). TSBD boss Roy Truly corroborates Baker's testimony 1. Baker is inside the TSBD within seconds of the gunfire and they proceed to the NORTHWEST stairway. 2. In fact, the northwest stairway is the only possible stairway to use. (BTW - the elevators are conveniently inoperative during this critical period and Mooney says the power is out....hmmmmm) (III) Dallas County Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney: 3. Lots of activity in the Northwest corner staircase/elevator area... Why doesn't Baker and Truly see Mooney prancing around the stairs in the upper floors of the TSBD and otherwise wandering around with at least 15 minutes of missing time on his hands? Does this imply Mooney is perhaps holed up in the Southeast corner of the 6th floor, farthest point from the northwest stairs/elevator that Baker and Truly are using? Really the first point we can possibly pinpoint Mooney's timeline is when he says that about 1 o'clock he both sees Fritz and finds the shells. What is Mooney doing for ~30 minutes inside the TSBD, unseen by Baker or Truly or anyone, before he suddenly has a kind-of verifiable timestamp at 1 o'clock only? Why is DPD officer Marrion Baker allowed to undermine the Oswald-as-Lone-Nut theory by his hyper-precise time studies, measured with a stopwatch? If DPD Captain Fritz is a conspirator, is there some reason he does NOT want to be at the TSBD until 1? Does Fritz want to make it known that whatever's going on at the TSBD from 1230-1, he has nothing to do with it? Why does Fritz have himself stationed at the Trade Mart on 22 November 1963?

Paul, The police testimony makes it imminently clear that for the Lone Nut explanation to succeed, Oswald could never see the inside of a courtroom. He could never face trial because the opportunity to cross-examine the police witnesses would end in disaster and accusations of conspiracy against the police. He must not talk to a lawyer because even a brief conversation with someone apart from the Dallas law enforcement hierarchy could reveal enough information to prove the police are liars - and conspirators. For a patsy to work in crime this big, the patsy must be silenced asap. It seems there are several points from other testimony to contrast with Fritz, first, how about I look closer at what Deputy Mooney says? Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney: 1. Mooney has to be in the TSBD searching the upper floors pretty soon after the gunfire, according to his testimony. According to Mooney, he and officer Baker should have run into each other or been there at the same time, if my review of the timeline testimony is correct. Mooney says he heard shots, ran up the grassy knoll to the railroad tracks, and wasn't there but "a few seconds" 2. Then, Mooney spends another "few seconds" getting to the TSBD, where he quickly goes in the loading dock entrance, first to an elevator, then to the stairs. 3. Even though Deputy Mooney has no idea why he should come to arrive at a monumental place in US history (the 6th Floor), Mooney knows he should be searching. Searching for what, exactly? Anyway, it seems like a quick search: 4. After for some reason briefly going to the 7th floor, Mooney for reasons he can't explain returns to the 6th floor and explains his next actions this way: 5. voilà! .. Mooney discovers spent shell casings that will implicate Oswald's mail order rifle. Naturally, he wants to tell his boss right away: 6. Mooney says the time is now shortly before 1, or perhaps 1pm. So, what's a generous estimate for Mooney to arrive at step 5 ...from the time he hears shots until the time he calls down to Fritz and Decker? Jason's estimate: 870 foot sprint by 40 y.o. police officer (the average man jogs at about ~8 mph or ~11 feet per second) = 80 Seconds plus "a few seconds" in both the railroad track area and to get to the TSBD = 60 seconds plus ordering a civilian to guard the entrance and get his bearings at TSBD = 2 minutes plus briefly trying the elevator = 3 minutes plus going by stairs directly to the 6th floor = 1 minute plus briefly going up to the 7th floor = 3 minutes plus going back down to the 6th floor and making a beeline to the sniper's nest and waiting shell casings = 3 minutes I say this means Mooney testifies to discovering the shells and seeing Fritz and Decker on the pavement below at somewhere around 12:45. But Fritz pinpoints 12:45 as the moment he was at Parkland getting orders from Curry to go to Dealey Plaza. Fritz says he arrives at TSBD at 12:58, the building is not sealed, and the shooter is believed inside - who Fritz bravely begins searching for with his shotgun in a bottom-to-top search format. Shortly after this, "someone" told him the shell casings were found. It seems to me Mooney has about 15 minutes of missing time when it looks like he is just wandering around in the TSBD, insofar as it takes him until 1 (he says)* to do what should only take about 15 minutes. Then, of course, there is the RADIO LOG which broadcasts found shells at about 1:11. There is about a 15-20 minute discrepancy between Fritz & Mooney, it seems to me. What's the explanation? (* in your post you say Mooney finds shells at 1:12...but does he say this? It reads to me he's saying he found shells at 1 or a little before) The Distance Sheriff Deputy Officer Mooney says he runs immediately after hearing gun shots = 870 feet.

Yes, Mervyn, I think your sentiment is important to consider. As you say, look how today America is more divided than at any time in my life along partisan political dividing lines. The threat of nuclear war is now thankfully diminished somewhat with the end of the Cold War. But still Moscow is prominent in the mix of concerns. I think one of the biggest lessons of this exercise that I'm going through in reviewing the original Warren Commission testimony is that there is little effort to conceal the conspiracy here. The testimony is so blatantly pointing to a conspiracy, that it's obvious there was no ongoing mandate to hide inconvenient evidence. The Warren Commission could have easily not spoken with and not published very damaging testimony like that from policeman Roger Craig. They left the testimony open for everyone to see and then wrote a conclusion that was at odds with the testimony. But it was only the conclusion that the press and the public bother to read. The conclusion of course was blaming the simple and convenient lone nut Oswald. However, they managed to keep the conspiracy blame from falling on the Soviet Union or Castro for the most part, although this was and is still the calling card of the political far right and their explanation for Kennedy's death. In case you haven't thought of this yet I think it's pretty obvious that the authors of the assassination fully intended for Kennedy's death to be blamed on Moscow or Castro. But LBJ, Hoover and the Warren Commission executed a cover-up that blamed only Oswald. In my opinion this is the best evidence that LBJ, Hoover and the Warren Commision are not on the same page as the authors of the assassination. Jason

1. Yet a few weeks before Kennedy's visit, the Secret Service and DPD were aware that "something was being planned" by General Edwin Walker for the president: 2....and rumors of a plan to kill Kennedy from the Radical Right 3. The Secret Service hears of no threats from the DPD or its local office but nevertheless reviewed General Walker's Wanted For Treason flyers and was concerned enough to reviews photos of General Walker's attack on Ambassador Stevenson in order to identify right wing extremists at the Trade Mart on 22NOV63:

Is anyone able to find Commission Exhibit 710 in the Warren Commission publications??? It seems CE 710 was withdrawn. Strange how the DPD shares intelligence about right wing threats to JFK prior to the assassination, yet, Hosty and the Dallas FBI will continually deny there is any such thing as the organized extreme Right in Dallas. 1. General Walker's group is identified as a threat to Kennedy before the assassination. Why is CE 710 missing from the published Warren Report? 2. Why does FBI agent Hosty in 1964 deny the existence of Minutemen or other organized right wing groups in Dallas? 3. Why does FBI agent Hosty claim he cannot find information about Dallas area Minutemen - even though DPD intelligence officer Revill and ATF agent Ellsworth find plenty of information? 4. There is not NOW nor has there EVER BEEN Minutemen activity in the Dallas area, says Dallas FBI to Hoover 5. How is the Dallas Times Herald aware of Minutemen Activity in Dallas in September of 1963, while the FBI denies that there is not now nor has there ever been Minutemen activity in Dallas? 6. FBI HQ notes Dallas refused to investigate the Minutemen despite a nationwide directive to do so: SOURCES 1- The Fourth Decade, Volume 3, Issue 3 2- May 1964 FBI memo. 5 Warren Commission HQ File, Section 12, 62-109090 3- March 1964 Memo from James Hosty. NARA 124-90129-10069 4- February 1964 FBI Memo. FBI files on Edwin Walker, 82-2130 5 CD 320, Secret Service Rowley Memo 24 JAN 1964 6- FBI Oswald HQ file, 82-2130

Hi Paul, The evidence indicates Washington is alarmed that Griffin may be going off the reservation by collecting evidence outside of FBI supervision. Of particular concern is an April 1964 visit Griffin makes to Dallas ATF man Frank Ellsworth, chaperoned by Secret Service Agent Patterson. Ellsworth is on the record as stating that the Minuteman are the most likely group behind the assassination; additionally, he has informants and evidence that gun nut John Masen and associates in the DFW metroplex have ties to General Edwin Walker. This is a very interesting episode IMO. It tells us a few things: The Dallas FBI office is bending over backwards to deny there is any such thing as Minutemen and the extreme Right in DFW. The Dallas FBI office is absurdly uninterested in John Masen, known weapons trafficker and merchant of illegal guns, going so far as to imply that ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth is wrong to prosecute him and claim that Masen violates no laws in FBI jurisdiction The possibility of an independent investigation in Dallas conducted by Griffin is deeply frightening to Hoover Hoover is pissed off that the Secret Service is facilitating the investigation of JFK's assassination by the Warren Commission attorney Griffin Hoover demands to know what evidence Griffin has found without telling the FBI 1.I wasn't able to find the memo from Patterson you're asking about, but I found a reference to a memo from Patterson regarding Ellsworth that is MISSING from available evidence 2. Apparently Burt Griffin had concerns that the FBI Agent Hosty was withholding evidence (I believe evidence in this thread shows Hosty bent over backwards to protect the Dallas right wing) 3. The Secret Service suspected Hosty had more information than he was sharing 4. Forrest Sorrels has "no memory" 5. The FBI in Dallas was protecting known illegal arms trafficker John T Masen; who coincidentally is one of two places in Dallas selling the type of bullet later claimed to be the "magic bullet" fired from Oswald's rifle: 6. Even though ATF Agent Ellsworth is prosecuting John Masen and has made the FBI well aware of his Minuteman/Walker affiliations, the FBI in Dallas declines to look into this further SOURCES: 1 www.maryferrel.org; RIF search feature 2 Gerald D McKnight, Breach of Trust (2005), p 107 3 Gerald D McKnight, Breach of Trust (2005), p 274 4 Gerald D McKnight, Breach of Trust (2005), p 267 5 Warren Commission HQ File, Section 12, 62-109090

TIME STUDY 7 - DPD Capt Will Fritz Can we extrapolate these parts of his testimony to a timeline? Capt Fritz offers two testimonies to the Warren Commission: a deposition in Dallas and live testimony in Washington Capt Fritz testifying before the Warren Commission in Washington on April 22, 1964 Fritz created a notebook from a team effort of officers to help him narrate a timeline 12:35 JFK shot, Fritz hears about it at the Trade Mart from a Secret Service man 12:45 Fritz is at Parkland Hostpital, sees Curry 12:58 Fritz arrives at TSBD, believes shooter is still inside. Fritz, now brandishing a shotgun, begins searching the building 12:58 Fritz apparently does not believe the TSBD is yet sealed as upon his arrival he asks if he would like the building sealed; Fritz orders the TSBD sealed Fritz begins searching the TSBD, around 12:58, starting from the bottom, and "probably" to the top "it wasn't very long until someone" told Fritz empty shell casings were found; he places a guard on this evidence and resumes searching "a few minutes later some officer" informed Fritz the rifle had been found, he places a guard on this evidence and asks Lt Day to make photographs the rifle was called "most everything," and Fritz waffles about whether it was called a Mauser Fritz denies noting the time when either the shells or rifle was found and refuses to agree with a 1:22 time for the rifle "about the time" Fritz finishes processing the rifle, TSBD boss Truly appears to describe a missing employee, Fritz shortly thereafter hears of Tippit's shooting; then Fritz leaves for DPD HQ, intending to investigate Oswald and go to the Paine's house in Irving indicated by Truly When Fritz arrives at his office, he is told Oswald shot Tippit - and Fritz immediately names Oswald as a suspect in JFK's death - entirely because he was missing from work Oswald is already at DPD HQ when Fritz returns from the TSBD Fritz sends officers to the Beckley address and to the Paine house in Irving; although Fritz waffles about when he received the Beckley address Before interrogating Oswald for the first time, the Beckley address is known to Fritz 1:40 Oswald arrested 2:15 Oswald at City Hall; shortly thereafter Fritz begins interrogating Oswald 2:20 Fritz says he began interrogating Oswald, after some prompting from WC attorney Ball to match his testimony to that of officers Sims & Boyd Hosty asks Oswald about visiting Mexico City; Fritz says he would not have known about Mexico City WC Attorney Ball tries to get Fritz to say he didn't send officers to Beckley until later - apparently Ball is aware of the problem surrounding when and how the Beckley address is known Fritz says the first Oswald interrogation is only a few minutes long, Fritz then defines a few minutes as 30 to 40 minutes, possibly again sensing a time discrepancy Fritz says Oswald had already been searched at this time (but this contradicts other testimony around finding loaded bullets in Oswald's pocket later in the day) 4:45 Helen Markham picks Oswald out of a lineup 5:05 Oswald is back in Fritz's office for second interrogation, Fritz says Oswald reveals the 1026 address in the first interrogation, Fritz says, possibly contradicting Fritz's earlier testimony WC Attorney Ball suddenly asserts, "You haven't identified these periods of questioning by time," and Fritz responds that he cannot do so WC Attorney Ball asks Fritz to explain an up to 2 hour block between Markham's lineup and the 6:30 lineup for other witnesses; Fritz waffles and says he was too busy juggling office duties to have interrogated Oswald continuously 6:37 Oswald is arraigned; then the time is changed to 7:10 WC Attorney Ball provides 7:50 as the next time stamp, with which Fritz cooperatively agrees - this is the time of Oswald's third lineup in front of the women Davis WC Attorney Ball says the next time stamp is 8:55 for Oswald's fingerprinting; Fritz thinks this is wrong and suggests this is instead the time of a paraffin test Fritz is reminded about Fritz's own report stating that he talked to Wesley Frazier Friday night; Fritz waffles and wants to put this conversation on Sunday morning 12:05am, 23 November 63: Fritz sends Oswald to a jail cell Fritz saw Oswald's pistol a few minutes after Oswald was brought in - but elsewhere in testimony is the pistol brought first to the personnel office? Fritz was not present when the long home-made rifle bag was found, he says - but is this consistent with other testimony from other officers? 1:35am, 23 November 63: Oswald is arraigned for JFK's murder by removing him from the jail ==== versus === 1:10am, 23 November 63: Oswald is checked in to jail for the last time that night, according to jail records; Fritz cannot explain why the 1:35 removal of Oswald for his arraignment is not in jail records 10:25 am, 23NOV63 - Fritz begins interrogating Oswald; 11:33 Oswald back to jail; 12:35 another interrogation with Secret Service agent Kelley Fritz volunteers that the 12:35 time of the Saturday interrogation may be wrong 2:15pm Saturday - another lineup for Oswald 6 pm Saturday - Oswald in Fritz's offices Between 2:15 lineup and 6pm interrogation, Fritz goes NOT go to Neely St apartment even though WC Attorney Ball prompts him to admit this Fritz says 9:30 am on 24NOV63 Oswald is shown the backyard photos, but Dulles and Ball correct him and make this at 6:30PM on the 23rd; Fritz agrees 7:15pm on 23NOV: Oswald returned to jail 9:30am on 24NOV63, Oswald retrieved from jail, interrogated by Fritz with Postal Inspector Holmes, SS agent in charge Forrest Sorrels, FBI agent Bookhout Fritz then says he cannot remember when the first interrogation on 24Nov began WC Attorney Ball asks Fritz: "can we cut it shorter," apparently a blatant suggestion that the length of this interview be officially reduced in time for the record 11:15 first 24NOV63 Oswald interrogation concluded By now, Oswald is meant to be transferred, Fritz says Oswald was a person "dedicated to a cause," Fritz says 3:05pm Fritz talks to Ruby to find out when Ruby decided to kill Oswald WC attorney Ball accuses Fritz of having a problem in his testimonial timeframe and asks where Oswald was between 1235 and 115am on Saturday, 23 NOV63 Fritz says he thinks Oswald was getting fingerprinted at this time - but doesn't this conflict with other testimony having Oswald fingerprinted earlier? Capt Fritz making a deposition in Dallas on July 14, 1964 before WC Attorney Hubert Fritz knows nothing about when Oswald ate while in custody Fritz knows nothing about when Dallas Bar Association Attorney Louis Nichols was in DPD HQ trying to visit Oswald Fritz admits to a "Tempo," which is apparently a time-and-record-keeping protocol used for prisoners in custody; but Fritz denies this was in effect until the first time Oswald is checked into jail - around midnight between 22 and 23 November 1963 Fritz says he did not see Ruby at all around the police station during Oswald's custody, but then Fritz says that if he did see Ruby, he would not recognize him Fritz denies that transferring Oswald to the county jail earlier would be better, even though he admits DPD was crowded and disorganized Postal Inspector Holmes is conversing with Fritz just prior to moving Oswald on the 24th TIMEFRAME CONCERNS Capt Fritz indicates the TSBD was not sealed until as late as 12:58 versus Sawyer who says it was more like 12:45. Don't other officers testify that by the time of Fritz's arrival there is already good witness testimony that the shooter was from a high TSBD floor; if so, why does Fritz claim to start at the ground floor and work his way up? Why doesn't Fritz unhesitatingly agree to the standard 1:22 time for finding the rifle? Isn't there a large gap of missing time between when the rifle is found and when Oswald is officially at DPD headquarters ... from 1:22 to 2:15 - even though Fritz says he goes straight to the station after finding the rifle? Why doesn't Fritz mention talking to Sheriff Decker both on the pavement in front of the TSBD and later at Decker's office, as other officers testify? When is the Beckley address discovered, exactly? Why is there a dispute between WC Attorney Ball and Fritz about when Frazier is interrogated? When and where is Oswald's pistol after he is brought to DPD - in the personnel office as Westbrook says, or with Fritz as Fritz says? Why does other police testimony indicate Fritz is still looking for Oswald when Fritz gets back to DPD while Fritz says he knew Oswald was already in custody? Why does there seem to be many many hours, around 8-10 hours, of Oswald in custody without any record of what Oswald says? Fritz wants to deny any long interrogations of Oswald but there is no strong testimony about what Oswald was doing from 2 to midnight, other than brief lineups. The only information provided in all these hours, we are told, is basic information probably already publicly known about Oswald. Why do Dulles and Ball have to correct Fritz concerning the time of discovery for the backyard photos? What is this meaning of this time gap around 1am when jail records contradict Fritz's testimony? Why does Fritz say Oswald was searched before getting interrogated, but other testimony has Oswald's search and the discovery of bullets much later in the day? Why does WC Attorney Ball seem to get aggressive and irritated with Fritz about his sloppy timekeeping - only to back off and let Fritz get away with vague ambiguous timestamps? Why are there in Fritz's testimony two times when Oswald is fingerprinted - in the afternoon and then after midnight? Although there are time problems all over the place in Fritz's testimony, to me there are three main concerns around time: 1. Why does Fritz hide the meeting(s) with Decker in Dealey Plaza mentioned by other witnesses, and 2. Why is Oswald awake in custody for 10+ hours after the assassination even though Frtiz can provide only a few basic demographic pieces of information that Oswald says while in custody? 3. Why is there this inconsistency around the time of Oswald's search? If the Warren Commission and Fritz are masterful conspirators controlling all aspects of the crime and coverup; this testimony is an utter disaster. There are holes and clues everywhere.

TIME STUDY 6 - DPD Inspector Herbert Sawyer Can we extrapolate these parts of his testimony to a timeline? Working crowd control on Main & Ervay; motorcade passes; Sawyer gets in his car and hears Sheriff Decker order men to -he thinks- the TSBD At TSBD, officers already on scene say shots from 5th floor; Sawyer tours the building, seals movement at front door and is told back door already secured 12:34 is when Sawyer hears broadcast that TSBD is shooter's location Sawyer doubts "even a minute" was lost searching the building before he clamped down on entry and exits 12:37 is pinpointed as the earliest TSBD could have been sealed off at the front door, but Sawyer insists anyone leaving earlier would have been stopped and questioned 12:40-12:43 Sawyer calls in to the dispatcher requesting more police manpower 12:43-45 Sawyer broadcasts an attention all squads description of suspect: 30, 5'10", 165#, 30-30 rifle or Winchester, doesn't know who gave him this info Although no more Sawyer communications appear until 1:30; Sawyer insists he had put out a description of the "colored boy" missing TSBD employee (Givens) 12:45-1248 Sawyer broadcasts that all information points to 4th or 5th floor of TSBD as gunman's location 1:12 Sawyer reports empty rifle shells - as told to him by "somebody else" Sawyer hears about Secret Service Agent Forrest Sorrels processing witnesses on the scene 4:00 is about when Sawyer departs Dealey Plaza WC Attorney Belin makes Sawyer pin down times matched to the radio log even though other witnesses get away without nailing down times...why?

Hi Paul, Can you take a look at the memo below? I think the claim that Marina is a hardcore communist is absurd, along with the other hints of Oswald's apparent involvement in a communist conspiracy to kill Kennedy. Doesn't this indicate that the Reds-did-it CT was sponsored by the Secret Service in Dallas, even days after the assassination?

...Just a little tidbit I found, Paul, that shows the FBI in part agrees with you.... there were at least a few working on presidential security who were aware that local law enforcement could not be entirely trusted, due to ties with the extreme Right:

Paul, does "communist plot" equate to a Jewish plot? >The Fourth Decade, Volume 4, No. 2, January 1997