3 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

More complete and unrelated nonsense. No wonder nobody takes "Coup in Dallas" seriously.

"Nobody", @Jonathan Cohen? Or do you mean the echo chamber you've create for yourself?

12 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

This questions can hardly be addressed in shorthand, but here goes--

The JFKA, the Watergate episode, the Iran-Contra affair and the bulk of Trump follies appear to be, or morphed into, Deep State efforts to depose democratically elected presidents. 

Remember, it is Biden who the latest globalist successor to the Presidency, the inheritor to the events of 11/22. Biden has been a favorite son for decades and decades and decades within the globalist commercial, international trade, military and foreign policy communities. 

Biden also did a snuff job on the JFK Records Act. Why? 

The Deep State has obviously not deposed Biden, quite the contrary. Biden is the Deep State Puppet-Dictator in Chief. 

There it stands. 

I happen to regard JFK and Carter highly as Presidents, and to hold Nixon and Trump in low regard.  

My sentiments are entirely besides the point, and have little to do with the historical record. That is to say, a bad (but democratically elected) president can be readily deposed, it he crosses the Deep State. And a good president too. 

Do you accept that Trump revived and normalized proto-fascism in America?

How has the Biden / Harris administration perpetuated in real time the fascist ideology that was behind the coup in Dallas in 1963?

@Benjamin Cole Out of curiosity, Ben, do you think that Watergate was related to events in Dallas in November 1963? Do you think Lucien Conein's role with Nixon's DEA — having been a 'person of interest' in 1963 — is coincidental? Do you think shadows of the assassination in Dallas can be detected in Iran-Contra vis a vis Carl Jenkins?  Will you share your subjective historical cut-off date when considering the impact the assassination of President Kennedy had on democracy?  

16 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

What continuity? 

None of these modern day entities have anything to do with Nazis. 

Trump has nothing to do with Nazis, and, if anything, is more pro-Israel than Biden. 

Trump probably has more flaws than any other dozen men put together, but anti-Semitism is evidently not one of them. Not one former associate has said Trump is anti-Semitic, and he has a lot of embittered former employees and associates. 

One could draw up links between Biden and the completely repulsive Democratic Socialists of America, and their commentary the massacres of Oct. 9 in Israel were justified. 

You discredit earnest JFKA researchers. 

 

 

Fascism = Authoritarianism, Nationalism, Totalitarianism — regardless of the scapegoat du jour.

I would posit that those who researched the assassination of Kennedy in Dallas without factoring in the politics of the day — whether the '80s, '90s, etc., — did our democracy a huge disservice, and we are now paying the price big time.

TRUMP LAWYER CLETA MITCHELL ESCAPED GEORGIA INDICTMENT — AND STILL LEADS ELECTION DENIAL MOVEMENT 

Unencumbered by a fierce legal battle, Mitchell remains one of the most influential people in the movement that’s undermining American democracy.

https://theintercept.com/2023/09/13/trump-indictment-cleta-mitchell-election/

Heritage Foundation — funded by known Nazi sympathizer Joseph Coors of Colorado-based Coors Brewing — was cofounded in 1973 by a young GOP operative Paul Weyrich who transferred to the Latin Church in opposition to the Second Vatican Council. The following year, he persuaded Coors to also finance the Committee for the Survival of a Free Congress which became active in eastern European politics after the Cold War. Weyrich's right-hand man in the effort was Laszlo Pasztor, a former leader of the pro-Nazi Arrow Cross Party in Hungary which collaborated with Hitler's Third Reich. Weyrich once lamented: "Christ was crucified by the Jews ... He was not what the Jews had expected so they considered Him a threat. Thus He was put to death."

Turn the Heritage Foundation kaleidoscope "just so" to understand the election of MAGA Mike Johnson (Trump's appellation, not mine) as Speaker of the House from which Project 2025 — brainchild of conservative business interests served by the think tank Heritage — may well replace our federal democratic republic form of government established by the Constitution.

Johnson — who acted under the radar in efforts to overturn the 2020 election — has announced that Dan Zeigler, former MD for Gov't. Relation for Heritage Action of Heritage Foundation, will lead his policy department; Spencer Chretien, once the membership manager of ALEC — the Koch funded American Legislative Exchange Council — is Heritage Foundation's associate director of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. Chretien served as Trump's 'special assistant and assoc. director of presidential personnel.' 

Heritage board includes Cleta Mitchell who somehow skirted indictment for her role in attempts to overthrow American democracy in 2020. Cleta is a close friend and political ally of Ginni Thomas, wife of SCJ Clarence Thomas who failed to report significant gifts from US corporatists whose business interests have been served by his decisions over decades, including Harlan Crow whose father's Trammell Crow Development Co. looms large in the history of events leading to the coup in Dallas November 22, 1963.

 

On 10/11/2023 at 7:47 PM, Benjamin Cole said:

You realize that Roy Cohn was Jewish? 

Trump's lawyer, before a falling out for a-political reasons, was Michael Cohen. 

Many people in Donald Trump's business and social circles, including his son-in-law, are Jewish, and ardent supporters of Israel. 

Not one of many, many business and social contacts of Donald Trump have ever said he is anti-Semitic or a Nazi sympathizer, despite years of close association with and close observation of Trump.

Many former business and government associates of Trump have extremely hard feelings towards Trump, and for valid reasons, yet not one has said he is anti-Semitic or a Nazi sympathizer. 

But you do. And you try to link Trump to Nazis who you contend perped the JFKA.

Perhaps you need a few moments of self-reflection. 

 

@Benjamin Cole

Continuity of the coup in Dallas . . . 

Heritage Foundation — funded by known Nazi sympathizer Joseph Coors of Colorado-based Coors Brewing — was cofounded in 1973 by a young GOP operative Paul Weyrich who transferred to the Latin Church in opposition to the Second Vatican Council. The following year, he persuaded Coors to also finance the Committee for the Survival of a Free Congress which became active in eastern European politics after the Cold War. Weyrich's right-hand man in the effort was Laszlo Pasztor, a former leader of the pro-Nazi Arrow Cross Party in Hungary which collaborated with Hitler's Third Reich. Weyrich once lamented: "Christ was crucified by the Jews ... He was not what the Jews had expected so they considered Him a threat. Thus He was put to death."

Turn the Heritage Foundation kaleidoscope "just so" to understand the election of MAGA Mike Johnson (Trump's appellation, not mine) as Speaker of the House from which Project 2025 — brainchild of conservative business interests served by the think tank Heritage — may well replace our federal democratic republic form of government established by the Constitution.

Johnson — acting under the radar in efforts to overturn the 2020 election — has announced that Dan Zeigler, former MD for Gov't. Relation for Heritage Action of Heritage Foundation, will lead his policy department; Spencer Chretien, once the membership manager of ALEC — the Koch funded American Legislative Exchange Council — is Heritage Foundation's associate director of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. Chretien served as Trump's 'special assistant and assoc. director of presidential personnel.'

Heritage board includes Cleta Mitchell who somehow skirted indictment for her role in attempts to overthrow American democracy in 2020. Cleta is a close friend and political ally of Ginni Thomas, wife of SCJ Clarence Thomas who failed to report significant gifts from US corporatists whose business interests have been served by his decisions over decades, including Harlan Crow whose father's Trammell Crow Development Co. looms large in the history of events leading to the coup in Dallas November 22, 1963.


 

TRUMP LAWYER CLETA MITCHELL ESCAPED GEORGIA INDICTMENT — AND STILL LEADS ELECTION DENIAL MOVEMENT 

Unencumbered by a fierce legal battle, Mitchell remains one of the most influential people in the movement that’s undermining American democracy.

https://theintercept.com/2023/09/13/trump-indictment-cleta-mitchell-election/

On 10/16/2023 at 11:28 PM, Karl Kinaski said:

Skorzeny wasn't the mastermind behind the rescue of Benito Mussolini in 1943 as Albarelli thought. 

Quote, german wiki "Otto Skorzeny" translated with google:

It is my understanding by attributing Skorzeny a prominent role in the killing of Kennedy, Albarelli in his book COUP IN DALLAS makes the same move Goebbels made regarding Skorzenys role in the rescue of Mussolini. Lucky Skorzeny: because in reality he had little to do with the rescue of Benito and IMO the killing of Jack. 

 

(It was a paratrooper Harald Mors who played the key role in the rescue of Benito.)

@Karl Kinaski Had you actually read Coup, you would know that the controversy introduced by Lt. Col. Berberich back in 1987 was addressed. (I would note that apparently Encyclopedia Britannica among numerous other "revered" sources has yet to catch up with Major Mors' version of events.)
 

The Skorzenys

Ilse 8:00 PM

—Lafitte datebook, June 19, 1963

Cable to Madrid – all – ok – tell Tom D.

O says come to Madrid

—Lafitte datebook, October 1, 1963

A Couple of Charming Nazis

Otto Skorzeny has come to be regarded, in some quarters, as the premier designer and executor of German special operations during the Second World War based on numerous factors, some borne of substance, and some a reflection of Skorzeny’s deft hand at delegating planning authority combined with an equally deft sense of public relations. In the course of accomplishing his most high-profile mission, the September 1943 glider-borne mountain top rescue of Benito Mussolini, Skorzeny displayed great daring, but his subsequent claims to have planned the operation were a substantial stretch.

         Skorzeny biographer Stuart Smith, Otto Skorzeny: The Devil’s Disciple, plausibly suggests that Major Harold Mors, who headed an elite airborne battalion near Rome at the time, and had a tremendous amount of experience in conducting airborne assaults, was the actual author of the operation at Italy’s Gran Sasso mountain which liberated Mussolini. Military historian Lt. Col. Florian Berberich would comment that “Actually, Skorzeny pretty much went along for the ride—as a passenger…” Still, Skorzeny had been responsible for a great deal of the intelligence collection that pointed the German paratroopers to Mussolini’s location, and decisions he made on the ground played a large part in the success of the operation, which had been formally handed to Skorzeny by Adolf Hitler. Admiral William McRaven, arguably the world’s foremost authority on military special operations, concluded: “Whether Skorzeny was a straphanger or the mastermind of the operation is inconsequential. Ultimately, success resulted from Skorzeny’s action at Gran Sasso, and not from Mors’”

Pursuant to MAGA Mike Johnson's election as Speaker of the House, some soundbite ideological dot-connecting to argue that the Continuity of the Coup in Dallas is in full bloom:

In the context of Stuart Reid's new book on the murder of Patrice Lumumba, and considering QJ/WIN documents related to that assassination, I checked to determine who the agency station chief in the Congo was at the time of the crisis. Turns out it was Charles Cogan, a name found in the Davis chapter of Coup in Dallas which leads to the subject of a Marc David Schleiffer, described as a leading Marxist activist and journalist in the early 1960s. (caveat: I've not yet read Reid's book so it's possible, although unlikely imo, he delves into some of the following.)

On 10/15/2023 at 1:10 PM, James DiEugenio said:

1.  Cory, if  he never saw any evidence of an affair then that is it.  Period.  He is not, as you tried to suggest, in opposition to Hill, he is in unison with him.

2. Joe, are you serious? You never saw MM act in any of her films, like Gentleman Prefer Blondes etc?  Even Burt Reynolds, who knew her from her New York days said that one day they were walking down Broadway, and no one noticed her.  And Burt commented on that.  She then said: OK, now watch this.  She took her hair down and changed her walk and suddenly people did start noticing them.  Burt said it was one of the most immediate, sharp, yet subtle changes he ever saw an actress do.  MM really worked hard to master certain techniques to give an effective performance.  If you want to see how skilled she was, watch the skit she did with Jack Benny on his TV show.  Its on You Tube. And then watch the same skit with Mansfield.  Night and day. 

3.  And this is what I mean.  She was really good at putting on that persona.  Because, as I said, she was with her father in law (he is in those photos in Don's article) that night both before and after, who she really liked. She actually wanted him to return to LA with her. But for whatever reason he did not want to go. So she dropped him off in her rented limo in Brooklyn I think, and she returned to her apartment where one or two of her fans were waiting for her.  Even though it was late, she stopped and talked.  It was just them.  And then she went upstairs to her apartment.  And that was it.  Except I think her masseuse was there and that is how she fell asleep.

 

Pamela: In the uncropped version was Schlesinger in on it also?  Even though, as I prove above in number three, nothing happened?

 

 

 

Marilyn's expression is serious, perhaps perturbed. She is obviously speaking directly to Jack as Robert looks on. Neither of the men appear to be particularly at ease.  

Jack has ducked his head — either to hear Marilyn's whisper or to avoid her gaze completely.

Schlesinger stands several feet away so It's unlikely he can hear what's being discussed.  Considering their demeanor, there's something especially incongruous about his wide grin.

Regardless, his presence doesn't alter the tension in the body language, particularly of Marilyn and Jack.  

Do you know if this is the first time either of the brothers met her 'in the flesh?'

28 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said:

Leslie Sharp said, quote: 

 

Close quote

J. Walton Moore and Charles Cabell knew each other well. 

Letter from Charles Cabell to Walton Moore: 

 

 

 

[Note: J. Walton Moore was considered a serious candidate for the mysterious "T" referred to frequently by Pierre Lafitte in the datebook he maintained throughout 1963. Both Albarelli and Sharp considered the possibility that "T" was a composite of characters under the control and management of CIA COS J. Walton Moore.]   

' . . . Lafitte’s “Orlov” noted in the October 27 entry, along with both [Herbert] Itkin and [William King] Harvey, is a clear reference to Fort Worth oilman, Col. Lawrence Orlov. According to Prof. Peter Dale Scott in “Oswald and the Hunt for Popov’s Mole,” published in the Fourth Decade, Volume 3, Number 3, March 1996, “Col. Orlov, like Max Clark, was a veteran of the Air Force as well as a good friend of J. Walton Moore.” In fact, they were handball partners. It should also be noted that the Colonel had been drilling for oil in Texas prior to the war, and in 1963 was still engaged in the industry. Orlov’s Dallas office was located in a relatively unassuming building only a one-minute walk from the more imposing Reserve Loan and Life Insurance Building—across the street from the First Baptist Church of Dallas—where both George de Mohrenschildt who was a client of Herbert Itkin, and their mutual friend, CIA station chief J. Walton Moore leased office space. . . .'

Researcher Alan Kent, in his essay published in Coup in Dallas, built a strong case that Tracy Barnes was "T", but also makes note of a significant Lafitte datebook entry on September 16 suggesting J. Walton Moore was at the very least "in the loop."

         If Tracy Barnes was T, I think that we can see—from a distance—the outlines of a nexus of men who Barnes—as head of DOD—would have had “legitimate” operational interest in meeting in Dallas and New Orleans in 1963. People who centered around the Domestic Contact Service, including assets of J. Walton Moore, who seems to have been on the ground floor of CIA’s active outreach to Lee Oswald in 1961, 1962, and 1963. While these people—de Mohrenschildt (who Lafitte makes a note to “call” as late as November 20, 1963), and Col. Orlov, as well as Dallas resident and high-level intelligence agent Sam Kail—were no doubt involved in numerous schemes that Barnes could have had interest in, we know from the evidence of the Lafitte datebook that these people also had roles to play in the forthcoming murder of JFK, as the planning for that event rolled on through 1963. It is possible that Moore himself is being referred to in a key entry. On September 16, 1963, Lafitte wrote: “T says Oswald is idiot, but will be used regardless.” Above that is a note to “see J. in Dallas.” 


The following footnote from Coup in Dallas:

J. Walton Moore: A few days before his death, George de Mohrenschildt told author Edward Epstein that he had been contacted by the head of DCS in Dallas, J. Walton Moore, in 1961, several months prior to Lee Oswald’s return from the Soviet Union, and briefed about Oswald. de Mohrenschildt was a frequently used source of Moore’s, dating back into the late 1950s. Moore would later dissemble when testifying about his contacts with de Mohrenschildt, stating that he had seen George infrequently in the 1960s, but de Mohrenschildt’s wife Jeanne called Moore up on this, claiming that she and George quite frequently dined with Moore and his wife. While it is often stated in the literature that Barnes was “Moore’s boss” from his perch as head of DOD, this assertion cannot be proven. Still, the overlap between DOD and the DCS seems strong enough to suggest that as a likelihood. Moore occupies a unique and very interesting position in the story of the Kennedy assassination. de Mohrenschildt told Epstein that he “would never have contacted Oswald in a million years if Moore had not sanctioned it.” When de Mohrenschildt first made contact with Oswald, he arrived in the company of a CIA informant, Col. Laurence Orlov. Orlov, a long-time oilman and acquaintance of de Mohrenschildt’s, was also an informant for Moore at DCS in Dallas, as well as being a social companion of Moore’s. Joan Mellen writes: “It seems apparent that J. Walton Moore…had set up the meeting between de Mohrenschildt and Oswald.” And, it could well be added, if what de Mohrenschildt told Epstein about a 1961 contact from Moore regarding Oswald is accurate, Moore would seem to be on a short list of people who were involved very early on in maneuvering Lee Oswald.

Moore, an ex-FBI man, as well as an OSS agent during his service in the Second World War, had joined CIA in 1948, being assigned to Domestic Contacts at that time. By the 1960s, Moore was exceptionally well-known and respected within CIA. A friendly and personal letter from then Deputy Director of CIA Gen. Charles Cabell is in the record. Cabell, addressing Moore as “Walt,” thanked him for his hospitality during a recent (1960) Cabell visit to Dallas. Late in Moore’s career, a note in his personnel file shows that the Houston-based DCS office was upgraded in status, the New Orleans DCS office was placed under the Houston office in Agency command structure, and both offices were subordinate to the Dallas office, still headed by Moore. After the assassination of Kennedy, Moore would pop up periodically during times of intense interest in the assassination. In 1976, with the HSCA investigation into Kennedy’s death about to begin, Moore—still in the position in Dallas with DCS that he had occupied since 1948—wrote to the head of that division, asking for help in handling “the exposure of [Clay] Shaw’s connections with CIA.” When de Mohrenschildt died from gunshot wounding in 1977, Moore clipped the news stories reporting the death and sent them to the chief of CIA’s Domestic Contact Division. On a cover sheet over a Dallas Times-Herald article which stated that the HSCA had uncovered “new, unproven evidence on Oswald’s ties with CIA, FBI,” Moore wrote “Nothing new, is there?” Moore’s Agency files also feature a detailed account of the story of Gilberto Policarpo Lopez (December 1963), a young man whose late 1963 travels parallel those of Lee Oswald. Lopez moved suspiciously before and after the assassination of President Kennedy—attempting to get a visa to Cuba in Mexico City in the fall of 1963, and boarding a plane from Texas headed for Mexico City in the immediate aftermath of the assassination. A note from CIA DD/P Richard Helms to Win Scott at the Mexico City CIA station is also in Moore’s files. The note is suggestive of Lopez being involved in a highly compartmentalized intelligence operation. Beyond the particulars of the Lopez story, the significance for our interest is that Moore is being entrusted with highly sensitive information pertaining to an investigation of the murder of President Kennedy, information which was not widely shared within CIA. J. Walton Moore was not “regular folks” in CIA by the 1960s; he was something out of the ordinary—particularly for an employee whose record reflects no obvious advancement for nearly 30 years. — Alan Kent

 Clay Shaw’s close associate, David Ferrie ironically lived in the quiet neighborhood of Broadmoor, [a stone's throw] from Silvia’s uncle, Augustin Guitart, a physics professor at Xavier University who resided at 3694 Louisiana Avenue Parkway. In hindsight, had FBI agents Odum and Hosty done their homework and tapped into their resources in New Orleans, including SA Bartlett and SA Rice who might have been slightly curious of the coincidence (the former having been a pivotal figure in the provenance of the magic bullet), they might have uncovered a connection. Instead, Silvia’s testimony before the Warren Commission served only to compartmentalize and confuse, deflecting attention from any legitimate pursuit of anyone other than the patsy. 

         Despite Odum’s follow through with Silvia Odio’s claims, including at least one interview with her, Odum was never called to testify before the Warren Commission on at least this aspect of the investigation. However, as revealed in the following snippet of her testimony before the commission, in a scene worthy of the film, The Godfather, Odum hovered:

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you say that you also started working at a new job that same day?

Mrs. ODIO. No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER. But you had been working on the day that you did move? 

Mrs. ODIO. I started working initially the 15th of September, because it was too far away where I lived in Irving. I started the 15th of September, I am almost sure of the 15th or the 9th. Let me see what day was the 9th. It was a Monday. It was the 9th, sir, that I started working at National Chemsearch.

(Special Agent Bardwell O. Odum of the Federal Bureau of Investigation entered the hearing room.)

Mr. LIEBELER. This is Mr. Odum from the FBI. As a matter of fact, Mr. Odum was the man that interviewed you.

Mrs. ODIO. I remember. He looked very familiar. 

Mr. [LIEBELER]. What is the name? 

Mr. [sic] ODIO. I interview so many people, it slips my mind at the moment.

(Agent Odum left the hearing room…)

Special Agent Bardwell Dewitt Odum was never called to testify before the Warren Commission.

        
Caretaker Analysis

' . . . From that perspective, more serious consideration was given to the possibility that there was someone else in play, someone acting as Ruth’s handler, someone who was the ultimate caretaker of the role to be filled by the patsy. And with that realization, interest in FBI Special Agent Bardwell Dewitt Odum—known personally to the Paines prior to November 22 by their own admission—was revived. “The Ubiquitous Bard” was elevated to prime candidate for caretaker.

                                                      ***

In a July 1998 volume of the The Fourth Decade, a highly regarded publication focused on the assassination, researcher Raymond F. Gallagher presented a brilliant exposé of Special Agent Odum titled “The Ubiquitous Bard.” According to Gallagher, from the moment Odum ascended the stairway to the 6th floor of the TSBD to witness the recovery of the alleged murder rifle, he was an ever-present fixture in advancing Oswald as the lone gunman.

         Less than an hour after the rifle discovery, Bard Odum, along with Lt. Day of the Dallas Police Department, was photographed leaving the depository building with the alleged rifle used by an alleged assassin from the sniper’s nest. Lt. Day later stated that en route to headquarters, SA Odum had used his car radio to contact the Dallas FBI office and described the rifle. As Gallagher pointed out in 1998, there didn’t seem to be a record of this communication, but there is no doubt that early descriptions of the rifle set in motion rampant confusion as to the official identification of the alleged weapon. 

         Odum, an agent of the federal government, was at the DPD headquarters only briefly before dashing to the Texas Theater where a suspect in the shooting of a Dallas police officer was about to be apprehended. It has yet to be explained what prompted Odum to attend that particular arrest in the middle of what should have been the most aggressive manhunt in the nation’s history. Why would his boss, SAC Gordon Shanklin pull one of his prize protégés from the search for Kennedy’s assassin to pursue a local shooting, unless of course, Shanklin had already been advised that Lee Oswald would not only be charged with gunning down Officer J.D. Tippit, but that he would soon be charged with the assassination of Kennedy. 

         Once Oswald was in custody at the Texas Theatre, Odum, instead of tracking federal arrests being made in critical hours of the assassination, inexplicably spent another hour and a half in pursuit of the Tippit shooting along with nearly a dozen DPD staff. Federal detentions in the Dallas area during that twenty-four hour period—persons of interest to the Feds since the spring of 1963—stand out: Jean Rene Souetre and Michel Mertz and possibly Michel Roux.

         Rather than being ordered to question Souetre and or Mertz or Roux, Odum seems focused on Tippit’s murder, even taking time to interview Helen Markham who had witnessed a young male fleeing the scene. In another rarely heralded essay published in the Fourth Decade in 1997, researcher Tom Wallace Lyons summed up Odum’s early influence over the Tippit investigation, asserting that Odum sewed the confusion that contributed to Markham being labeled as an inconsistent, unreliable witness for decades to come. 

         In another noteworthy timeline, while Odum is biding time in Oak Cliff, pursuing a case that was technically outside his jurisdiction, Lee Oswald’s various addresses were being nailed down at the school book depository. Meanwhile, Oswald was being driven to police headquarters in Car Number 2 under the custody of Jerry Hill and his colleagues. According to Bill Simpich, another researcher who has long recognized that the elusive Bard demands close scrutiny, Jerry Hill had been on the sixth floor of the depository building when Mannlicher-Carcano shells were found and reported as a match to the rifle that Bard Odum escorted to police headquarters. Either the police department and the FBI were stretched thin that afternoon, or this was one of numerous serendipitous coincidences that would unfold in the next few days. 

         Once Lee Oswald was identified as AWOL during an alleged formal roll call of depository employees, and once his addresses were known, including that of the Paines, Odum seems to have finally returned his keen eye to the assassination, and with every subsequent step he took, the profile of the lone nut commie suspect was advanced. By December 2, he was responsible for the transfer of a fragment of a bullet retrieved from the wall of General Edwin Walker’s study to Washington D.C. for comparison against fragments from Dealey Plaza. In light of the September 4 Lafitte datebook entry, which reads Hotshot – Walker (Caretaker), we’re forced to consider the possibility that Odum knew more about the Walker incident than has ever been contemplated.

                                                   ***

[Odum and the Mex City photo)

Returning to Raymond Gallagher’s exceptional research and subsequent astute insight into Bard Odum’s role, combined with that of author Bill Simpich, the following is a truncated version of just how enmeshed the FBI agent was in guaranteeing that Oswald alone would be charged with Kennedy’s death: there was no conspiracy, there was no “coup” other than a blow to the president’s head.

         After transferring the rifle from the “scene of the crime” to DPD headquarters, after witnessing the arrest of Oswald at the Texas Theatre, and following a stop off to interview a witness in the Tippit shooting, Odum either cooled his heels the rest of the afternoon, or pursued leads that were not documented or have not been released. We do know from records that he ended up with shells and slugs from the Tippit scene in his pocket.

         We also know with certainty that within twenty-four hours of the assassination, Odum played a role in yet another attempt to cement Oswald’s guilt. Again, author Bill Simpich: “[Wallace] Heitman had a close colleague—Bardwell Odum . . . while Heitman specialized in working with the Russians and the Cubans as a valued CIA liaison for the Dallas office, Odum was a senior criminal specialist and a favorite of Dallas FBI chief Gordon Shanklin. Heitman was the man who met Eldon Rudd on the tarmac the night of the assassination. Rudd was delivering documents provided to him by CIA Mexico City chief Win Scott—a photo of the Mystery Man that Scott allegedly believed was Oswald. . . .”

         Simpich reminds us that J. Walton Moore, agent in charge of the CIA’s Dallas office, was a college roommate of Wallace Heitman. It was Moore that introduced George de Mohrenschildt to the returned “defector,” Oswald, and Moore and de Mohrenschildt shared a friendship with Texas oilman and former WWI Col. Lawrence Orlov who is named in the Lafitte datebook.

         CIA agent Heitman’s buddy, SA Odum was teamed up that evening with James Hosty, the agent assigned to Oswald since his return from the Soviet Union and infamous for having destroyed an alleged note from Oswald in the weeks prior to the assassination. Odum was the only agent to later claim that Hosty’s story about the Oswald note was erroneous. Ruth Paine soon changed her assessment of the note to align with Bard’s by insisting that the note was yet “another lie” told by Lee.

         When the photos arrived from Mexico City, after cropping any vestiges of the embassy building behind the image of a man in the photo that they intended to present to Marina for identification, the Hosty/Odum team proceeded to the motel in Garland, north of downtown, to confront her. Enter Marguerite Oswald who ran interference that night, and refused to allow Odum to interrogate either of the two women. 

Despite those seeming early unpleasantries, a photo of the Bard facing Marina who is cradling her newborn attests to the FBI agent’s persistence.

33 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Donald Trump takes his last shot.

"Tomorrow is a big day for Democracy. A Leaking, Crooked and Deranged Prosecutor, Jack Smith, who has a terrible record of failure, is asking a highly partisan Obama appointed Judge, Tanya Chutkan, who should recuse herself based on the horrible things she has said, to silence me, through the use of a powerful GAG ORDER, making it impossible for me to criticize those who are doing the silencing, namely Crooked Joe Biden, and his corrupt and weaponized DOJ & FBI. They want to take away my First Amendment rights, and my ability to both campaign and defend myself. In other words, they want to cheat and interfere in the 2024 Presidential Election. Nothing like this has ever happened in our Country before. It is strictly Banana Republic kind of “stuff.” These political Hacks and Thugs are destroying our Country. Let’s see what happens on Monday in Judge Chutkan’s courtroom. Will America survive, or not? I’ll be campaigning in the Great State of Iowa, where I am leading by 50 Points!!!"

 

Just the kind of thing I'd say to someone who has the power to put me in jail.

Steve Thomas

She has a sense of humor.

 

As described by Politico's Josh Gerstein, Lauro tried to argue that no new restrictions on Trump's ability to publicly discuss the criminal charges being leveled against him were needed on the grounds that the ones already put in place are "working."

According to Gerstein, Chutkin "literally [laughed] in his face" in response and said, "I have to take issue with you, Mr. Lauro."

|https://www.rawstory.com/trump-gag-order-2665979403/

"Ethno-tribalism oblivious to the very genuine human suffering on either side . . . I fear is accelerating the collapse of our international order as we've known it since 1945 . . .  this moment is an inflection point where from here we all go to something much darker " — Yezid Sayigh

On 10/7/2023 at 12:03 PM, David Josephs said:

FBI looking for traces of OSWALD all thru Nov.  None found and they buried these reports with coded names. (see bottom composite)

ANY evidence he was done there would have been brought out, front and center, but they couldn't do that since he wasn't there... only the legend exists.

On the other hand, we have to give some thought to the Davis/Oswald/Cobb/Hotel Luna connection.  All we have is the word of those I wouldn't believe too easily: Davis and Cobb.  

On Sept 22 - from the Lafitte notebook - it says "OSWALD - MEX CITY GAUDET?"
On Sept 27 there is a note about DAVIS and OSWALD at the LUNA.

Hosty eh.  Real fountain of reliable JFK assassination info is he?

Couple things about that Larry.  The documents related to ODUM showing Marge the MM photos - I believe suggest they were trying to find HIDELL as this CIA report mentions the FBI still not knowing who HIDELL was on the 23rd after meeting with them.

The pdf below comes 4 days after 104-10013-10189 where CIA questions publishing the MM photo at all while mentioning "since Oswald mother has no copy of photos shown her..."  This from ODUM is July 1964.

64-09-28 DISCUSSION RELATED TO ODUM SHOWING MRS OSWALD MYSTERY MAN PHOTOS CROPPED - TWICE - ONCE BEFORE 11-23 docid-32352812.pdf 118.13 kB · 3 downloads

PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF
PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
STATE OF TEXAS,
County of Dallas, ss :

I, Bardwell D. Odum, having first been duly sworn, depose as follows:

I am presently a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Department of Justice, and have been employed in such a capacity since June 15, 1942.

On November 23, 1963, while acting officially in my capacity as a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, I obtained a photograph of an unknown individual, furnished to the Federal Bureau of Investigation by the Central Intelligence Agency, and proceeded to the Executive Inn, a motel, at Dallas, Texas, where Marina Oswald was staying.

In view of the source of this picture, and, in order to remove all background data which might possibly have disclosed the location where the picture was taken, I trimmed off the background. The straight cuts made were more quickly done than a complete trimming of the silhouette and I considered them as effective for the desired purpose.

I desired to show this photograph to Marina Oswald in an attempt to identify the individual portrayed in the photograph and to determine if he was an associate of Lee Harvey Oswald.

It was raining and almost dark. I went to the door of Marina Oswald's room and knocked, identifying myself. Marguerite Oswald opened the door slightly and, upon being informed that I wished to speak to Marina Oswald, told me that Marina Oswald was completely exhausted and could not be interviewed. Marguerite Oswald did not admit me to the motel room. I told her I desired to show a photograph to Marina Oswald, and Marguerite Oswald again said that Marina was completely exhausted and could not be interviewed due to that fact. I then showed Marguerite Oswald the photograph in question. She looked at it briefly and stated that she had never seen this individual. I then departed the Executive Inn. The conversation with Marguerite Oswald and the exhibition of the photograph took place while I was standing outside the door to the room and Marguerite Oswald was standing inside with the door slightly ajar.

Attached hereto are two photographic copies of the front and back of a photograph.* I have examined these copies and they are exact copies of the photograph of the unknown individual which I showed to Mrs. Marguerite Oswald on November 23, 1963.

Signed this 10th day of July 1964.
(s) Bardwell D. Odum,
BARDWELL D. ODUM.

 

Hoover took the info he got from HOSTY from his I&NS contact JEFF WOOSLEY on Oct 18th and had SA PECK and others look for traces of OSWALD in MX as I think he knew Oswald wasn't there the minute he gets the 10/10 cable.  Anyway, below are the summary reports of not only scores of assets but to the Gobernacion which their asset OCHOA oversees.  OCHOA provides all the MX Oswald evidence. 

At the bottom is the file inventory for the FBI with those 5 reports highlighted.

Oswald at the Cuban or Soviet compounds = Red Herring

 

 

 

 

 

 

As always, thanks for generously sharing your critical research, @David Josephs

Before tackling the fact SA Bard Odum was never called to testify before the WC, is it reasonable to speculate that the 10.18 communication between Odum's buddy SA Hosty and INS Supervisory Clerk Jeff Woosley in Dallas made its way up Woosley's own chain of command within immigration and naturalization, perhaps even to the SW Reg. Commissioner Harlon B. Carter?  This is of particular interest considering the recent realization that Carter was a longtime friend and fellow TX border control comrade of Texas native Col. Jack Conon, Gen. Charles Willoughby's Z-org commander.

For additional historical context, respected and 40-year veteran researcher Alan Kent draws attention to this spiderweb of characters including Canon, most of whom are no doubt recognized by seasoned assassination historians:

. . . CIC (China), a subsidiary of Donovan’s World Commerce Corporation, was the firm that employed mob figure Sonny Fassoulis, at the urging of army colonel (and FBN agent) Garland Williams, to procure arms for Taiwan in the period of private procurement before the Korean War. From 1946 on, Major-General Charles Willoughby . . . used Japan’s dope-dealing yakuza gangs to break up left-wing strikes and demonstrations, just as CIA backed the Corsican Guerinis in Marseille . . . Like Operation Underworld before it, “Operation X,” with FBN agents at its center, operated both within and outside the CIA, and particularly with the military. This arrangement continued. 

      In the late 1950s, US Army Colonel Jack Y. Canon, a veteran of the Willoughby-yakuza operations in Japan, penetrated Castro’s guerrilla operation against Batista in Cuba. . . . Associated with Canon in Cuba was a US Marine reservist, Gerry Patrick Hemming. . . . With Hemming was another Marine reservist, future Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis…Castro appears to have accepted the services of Canon, Hemming, and also Sturgis, because of their ability to procure surplus or allegedly stolen US military supplies for his troops. Hoffa and mob casino operator Norman Rothman both were part of this arms flow, for which in exchange Castro initially selected Sturgis, a Rothman associate, to be his liaison in 1959 with the Havana casinos. . . .

Kent continues,

. . . Without dot-connecting ourselves into oblivion, I think that it is reasonable to see a long stretch of military, intelligence, and organized crime figures whose names we recognize: Willoughby, Canon, McWillie, Trafficante, Ruby, et al. Pierre Lafitte moved comfortably in this world, associating with Lansky associates Amleto Battisti y Lora and Paul Mondolini in Cuba, and Santo Trafficante in Florida and Cuba. 
 

And advancing the research to reveal Willoughby and Canon's roles in November 22:

' . . . As intimated earlier, was the assassination of President Kennedy, set for late November, wrapped up in an ongoing, broad-reaching—possibly international in scope—active operation? We leave that question with the next generation of committed researchers.

Hired Guns

Askins?

—Lafitte datebook, September 12, 1963

Askins - Willoughby OK

—Lafitte datebook, October 2, 1963

Canon-- S + V?

—Lafitte datebook, September 14 1963

Willoughby team – Canon (Z org) D.

—Lafitte datebook, November 21, 1963

[SW Reg. INS Commissioner Harlon Carter's comrade]

“Cactus Jack” Canon

 The November 21 entry in the 1963 records of Pierre Lafitte constitutes an “endgame” in his running chronicle of plans to assassinate the president. These authors are convinced that Z Org is the unit long controlled by Col. Joseph (Jack) Young Canon. 

         Described as a taciturn, gun-loving Texan, Canon served under Gen. Charles Willoughby during the US Army occupation of Japan, running a Gestapo-like institution called the “Z Unit.” Canon and his subordinates engaged in some of the same kinds of torturous practices that would later be seen during the United States’ occupation of Iraq. He and Willoughby were busily fighting the Cold War in Southeast Asia at an early stage, and doing so with very little supervision because their commanding officer, General Douglas MacArthur was also slavishly devoted to the anti-communist cause. Although Unit Z was formally dissolved in 1952, with Canon moving on to assignments in the Middle East, including Cairo, “many of its operations continued thereafter, and Canon continued to visit Japan at least until the mid-1950s,” writes historian Teresa Morris-Suzuki. 

         In fact, according to Canon’s deputy, Yeon Jeong, moves were underway to create a centralized national intelligence agency. Jeong stated that sometime shortly before Canon’s departure from Japan in 1952, he and Canon were taken by Charles Willoughby to a meeting with Prime Minister Yoshida. The Prime Minister asked them to make a call on a government official already planning the creation of a new Japanese intelligence agency. Canon, head of the Z Unit met with the official and briefed him about the workings of the US intelligence establishment. Of note, this is within the timeframe that MacArthur’s career ending contact with the Japanese through their embassy in Spain took place. Soon after, Canon’s military superior, Gen. Willoughby was making inroads with Spain’s fascist dictator, Francisco Franco.                     

Willoughby team— Canon (Z org) D.

That men of the egocentric character and intemperance of Gen. Willoughby and Jack Canon would be involved in an operation as spectacular as November 22, 1963 should probably not shock us. Among researchers into the assassination, in addition to chipping away at Charles Willoughby, Dick Russell was the first to glance Canon. In reference to the 1951 kidnapping and subsequent torture of a suspected Soviet spy, Japanese writer Kaji Wataru, Russell wrote: “A mysterious intelligence outfit, based in Okinawa and run by Colonel Jack Y. Canon, was accused of involvement, but hard evidence was lacking.” 

October 5, 2013


World can thank Nazis for Invention of Sarin

One of creators later worked for U.S. Army chemical warfare corps

Published October 5, 2013 at 7:21pm


By H.P. Albarelli Jr. and Ran Daniel

' . . . Later, after the war, it was revealed during the Nuremberg trials that, early during the war, the Nazis, dissatisfied with sarin experiments on small animals, began to use apes imported at a high cost from other countries. Because so many apes died in transit to Germany, the Nazis then decided to only experiment on Jews in the concentration camps. A post-war British intelligence report states that Ambros and Farben officials "justified the experiments not only on the grounds that the inmates of concentration camps would have been killed anyway by the Nazis, but also on the grounds that the experiments had a humanitarian aspect in that the lives of countless German workers were saved thereby."'
https://www.wnd.com/2013/10/world-can-thank-nazis-for-invention-of-sarin/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons&fbclid=IwAR00rLuAm5f5eZzbD20Rw_WSmWX0LKMnLW4LuIC_mtmvUuJstJqJZCvtfNc

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Leslie,

    These Hamas murderers need to be hunted down and executed.  That's a given.

    But the retaliatory bombing of 2.3 million trapped civilians in Gaza is a war crime.

    It sounds like the Biden administration is privately urging Netanyahu to limit civilian casualties in Gaza, while avoiding any public criticism of the Israeli government.

    Is there an acceptable solution to the crisis?  I don't have the answer.

I agree.

You might appreciate this perspective, although it's penned by someone not directly experiencing the horror in real time.
 

Massacring civilians is neither decolonization nor self-defense.

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/23911550/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestine-leftist-democrats

2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

It looks like the U.S. State Department is quite deliberately prohibiting any comments about the war crimes in Gaza--the bombing of women and children, and the blockade on food, water, electricity, and medical supplies.

One million of Gaza's 2.3 million trapped civilians are children.

Yesterday, the Washington Post published HRW video evidence of Israel dropping white phosphorous munitions on civilians in Gaza.

This is quite shocking, IMO, and will go down in history as a U.S. foreign policy abomination.

US State Dept. Officials Told Not to Use Terms 'De-Escalation/Cease-Fire' About Gaza (commondreams.org)

what drives a human to participate in this?  

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/14/hamas-nova-festival-attack-site-visit-cooper-dnt-ac360-vpx.cnn

17 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

I'd guess North Dallas Forty by Peter Gent.  He was a cowboy's wide receiver when Garrison was drafted and supposedly close friends with Dandy Don Meredith off the field.  He was not a fan of Tom Landry or the cowboys organization.  The book was made into a movie in 1979 with Mac Davis playing the character based on Meredith and Nick Nolte as Gent's character.  I read it shortly after it came out in 1973.

Gent, according to Wikipedia, was one of the "self proclaimed" Mad Dogs.  Which included Shrake, Dan Jenkins and others.

North Dallas Forty: Peter Gent: 9780688001834: Amazon.com: Books

Great book as well!

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Let me explain how I got interested in this.  It was when I first read about Sy Hersh and the so called Kennedy/Monroe trust agreement.  I was wondering, why would a liberal MSM journalist take part in something that was so clearly a fraud?  Why do I say that?  Because one of the so called signees to the trust, Janet Des Rossiers, told Hersh that was not her signature on the documents, it was forged.  When I interviewed Greg Schreiner, a MM authority in LA  he told me it was not MM's signature either, it was a forgery. 

Hersh marched on anyway.  Why?  As is the usual case in these matters, it was for money.  He had gotten a million dollar advance for the book.  He then sold the TV rights to ABC.  But ABC did something that Hersh did not do:  they hired three experts to forensically test the documents.  It turned out that Des Rossiers and Schreiner were correct.  The documents were forged on a typewriter that did not exist in the early sixties.  And the signatures showed signs of tracing, that is stopping and starting in mid stroke. (There is an excellent article by David Samuels in The New Yorker on this subject.) Now if you got a million bucks, would you not pay a few quid to do the testing before you fell on your face? But not only did ABC get taken, since they bought the rights before testing, the originator of the documents, Lex Cusack, had made tons of money by suckering rich collectors. As anyone can see, there is money in sensationalistic fraud.

Again though, why would Hersh take part in something like this?  I later learned that Hersh was on a mission. His career was jump started by Bob Loomis, the big time editor who ended up at Random House.  And I guess it was just a coincidence that Loomis is the one who originated Posner's book Case Closed? And he gave Posner a PR tour that was unprecedented, and only rivaled by the one Hersh got for his POS book. When I tried to call Loomis, his secretary said he was not in his New York office.  He spent three days a week in Washington.  Hm, I wonder where?

So as any can see, the two are related.  The aim was dual: 1.) Snuff out any kind of conspiracy ideas through Posner, and 2.) VIa Hersh: JFK was not worth worrying about anyway.  

Doing that work on Hersh  flashed a huge light bulb off in my head.  I realized then that there was really a big industry in this "trash JFK and MM" field and publishers and TV impressarios would pay money for it.  And its the way people like David Heymann, a total fraud if there ever was one, made money. If you read up on how Robert Slatzer's crappy book originated, you will see more of the same. Slatzer was a walking phony; with his 48 hour marriage to MM in Mexico.  Well, Summers gave him a lot of space also.

So no I have no double standard. As an historian, I use the same methods I was taught by my professors Koistenon and Davis at CSUN.  Look for the original, primary source, seek corroboration, and then see if this pattern was followed or diverted.  That will tell you something.  With Monroe, witnesses like Carmen, Slatzer, and Smathers are not original, consistent sources, and their stories do not stand up under scrutiny.

So that is my consistent methodology and anyone can see it at work. Its my job to unearth events the public does not have the time to excavate or understand.  The Hersh/MM fiasco was an event which provided a portal into what causes these mega events.  And it should be noted, Hersh went onward and downward after.  To the point that The New Yorker would not publish him anymore.

I believe Hersh acknowledged that he had been duped. Are you arguing that the fraudulent documents are evidence Kennedy did not have sexual encounter(s) with Marilyn Monroe?   
 

9 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Leslie,

   I just looked on Amazon.  Walt Garrison's autobiography, Once a Cowboy, is selling for $125.

  He wrote another one entitled, Then Landry Said to Staubach, that is available on Kindle (and as a used hardback.)

One of Shrake's finest:

Strange Peaches is set in Dallas just before and after the Kennedy assassination. The novel's lead character is a TV Western star who quits his show and returns to Dallas to make a documentary.^[9] The book is based in part on Shrake's own life story: in November 1963, he was dating Jada, the star dancer at Jack Ruby’s Carousel Club.^[5] Strange Peachesincludes Ruby as a supporting character, and borrows the real-life moment when Shrake, standing with his camera at Main and Houston, locked eyes with Kennedy.^{[6]
@Ron Bulman}

4 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Leslie,

   I just looked on Amazon.  Walt Garrison's autobiography, Once a Cowboy, is selling for $125.

  He wrote another one entitled, Then Landry Said to Staubach, that is available on Kindle (and as a used hardback.)

Thanks but that's not the book I'm thinking of.  I think it was Bud Shrake??

1 hour ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

Leslie,

I too think it likely that Odell "James" Estes told an essentially correct story to the FBI in 1977. His account of a Connally/"Nick"/Ruby meeting is credible to me. 

You've speculated as to "Nick's" possible identity, and you may be on to something. I will not say you are wrong, merely that I think there are other legitimate candidates for "Nick's" identity. 

Connally was certainly NOT above meeting with a shady character such as Ruby if a considerable payoff or bribe was involved. 

That's exactly what Estes described (without calling it that), and I believe him.

thanks Paul, and as I shared with Michael,
It's a bit outlandish that he would take the risk, but if one factors in the potential seriousness, perhaps he decided it was worth it.  "Nick" couldn't pull up in front of the Governor's Mansion with a suitcase full of cash unnoticed; but if $$$ was the sole purpose of the meet, why not simply send a bag man? 
Other candidates for Nick don't hold up as well, in my view. Those put forward previously in Greg's thread fall short in either physical description or propinquity with Connally.  

As an aside, I recently came across a link that included reference to an accountant of Ruby's by the name of John Connally.  I did a double take, but decided it was likely an error — a conflation of Estes's story and Ruby's accountant.  Unfortunately, I failed to tag the site and can't reproduce my search, (yet).  It would be an extraordinary coincidence.

7 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

One correction: Connally was not a member of the Joint Chiefs. He was Secretary of the Navy, a civilian position that was entirely separate from the JCS.

I am undecided about the Estes account of Connally meeting with Ruby at the Carousel Club. The information in your post causes me to be a bit more open to the possibility that the meeting occurred.

Thanks for that, Michael.  I'll make the correction.  I think it still stands that he was in the loop.

It's a bit outlandish that he would take the risk, but if one factors in the potential seriousness, perhaps he decided it was worth it.  "Nick" couldn't pull up in front of the Governor's Mansion with a suitcase full of cash unnoticed; but if $$$ was the sole purpose of the meet, why not simply send a bag man? 

18 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

A sad day for Texas football fans.  A hero of mine in my youth and still today, I have a picture of him with his arm over my shoulder.  A rodeo cowboy and football player Fighting Farmer at Lewisville HS, recruited to be a linebacker as an Oklahoma State Cowboy he led the Big 8 in rushing as a Sr.  Drafted in 1965 by the Deluxe Plowboys.  RIP.

 

What was the great book about these guys??