Jump to content
The Education Forum

VIDEO - Oswald in Mancuso's


Recommended Posts

Kurtz of course has written that he PERSONALLY saw LHO and Banister together.

Here's some more background on Prof. Kurtz:

http://www2.selu.edu/NewsEvents/PublicInfo...ce/magprofs.htm

http://utpress.org/a/searchdetails.php?jobno=T00214.02.03

Not to be confused with namesake - Michael J. Kurtz of the NARA. (add this to double ID List)

ARRB Testimony:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index28.htm

Thanks again to Mciadams for providing easy access to Kurtz's testimony.

He mentions seeing LHO and Bannister debating students at LSU, where he was a student, as well as at Mancuso's.

BK

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Adrian Alba wasn't the only one who saw Oswald in Mancuso's.

Interview with Prof. Michael Kurtz who claimed to have seen Lee Harvey Oswald and Guy Bannister together in Mancuso's Restaurant in New Orleans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnKHsBaWTJw

Mancuso is an old New Orleans name. I think there is a Lt. Mancuso of the NYPD who was invovled in LHO's arrest.

And in comical farce A Confederacy of Dunces, by John Kennedy Toole, there is Patrolman Mancuso, who dresses in drag to catch perverts and communiss, and takes the obese mamma's boy hero Ignatius Reilly into custody as a suspicous person and possible "communiss" while standing on a French Quarter street corner.

Since JKToole grew up in the same New Orleans neighborhood as LHO, I wondered if he got the idea for the intro to his book from LHO's arrest, and even whether they knew each other.

There's also the college connections - another character - Prof. Telc of Tulane, and Walter Percy, who arranged for the book's publication, at Loyola.

Has anyone else read "Dunces" and see the literary connections, or am I reading too much into this Mancuso's thing?

BK

Edited by William Kelly
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am wondering how Dr. Kurtz was able to identify Banister's debate partner and Banister's coffee shop friend as Lee Oswald as early as the summer of 1963? Oswald was pretty much unknown to the public then.

Or let me assume that he didn't identify Oswald then but later made the connection, say after 11/22/1963 when Oswald became known to the general public, how could Dr. Kurtz be so certain that this was the same person he saw some 5 months prior, in the company of Guy Banister? Did Lee Oswald leave such a remarkable impression on him, that he would recall this young fellow 5 months later as having been in the presence of Mr. Banister? Did he know that Oswald was pro-Castro, communist etc. when he saw him at the Mancuso coffee shop in the summer of 1963?

I'm more comfortable with Dr. Kurtz identifying Guy Banister, since Banister was a longer term resident of New Orleans, and probably frequented the coffee shop regularly.

Edited by Antti Hynonen
Link to comment
Share on other sites

An interesting point.

In "The Assassination Debates" Professor Kurtz makes some points about things told him in interviews that are quite hard to believe. It would be interesting to know what interviews he has in a tape-recorded format.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In event one will check their "events" calender, they will find that Lee Harvey Oswald's birth certificate is signed by Dr. Bruno Mancuso of New Orleans.

In addition to this, they will find that Dr. Bruno Mancuso acquired the house which Marguerite Claverie Oswald and Robert E. Lee Oswald (father of LHO) owned, and lived in, after the death of LHO's father.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warre...ppendix-13.html

Two months later, on October 18, 1939, a second son was born.31 He was named Lee after his father; Harvey was his paternal grandmother's maiden name. 32 For a while after her husband's death, Mrs. Oswald remained in the Alvar Street house without working; she probably lived on life insurance proceeds. 33 Sometime in 1940, she rented the house to Dr. Bruno F. Mancuso the doctor who had delivered Lee.34 (Dr. Mancuso continued to rent the house until 1944,35 when Marguerite obtained a judgment of possession against him.36 She sold the house for $6,500 to the First Homestead and Savings Association, which resold it to Dr. Mancuso.)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually, New Orleans is a relatively small-knit community!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In event one will check their "events" calender, they will find that Lee Harvey Oswald's birth certificate is signed by Dr. Bruno Mancuso of New Orleans.

In addition to this, they will find that Dr. Bruno Mancuso acquired the house which Marguerite Claverie Oswald and Robert E. Lee Oswald (father of LHO) owned, and lived in, after the death of LHO's father.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warre...ppendix-13.html

Two months later, on October 18, 1939, a second son was born.31 He was named Lee after his father; Harvey was his paternal grandmother's maiden name. 32 For a while after her husband's death, Mrs. Oswald remained in the Alvar Street house without working; she probably lived on life insurance proceeds. 33 Sometime in 1940, she rented the house to Dr. Bruno F. Mancuso the doctor who had delivered Lee.34 (Dr. Mancuso continued to rent the house until 1944,35 when Marguerite obtained a judgment of possession against him.36 She sold the house for $6,500 to the First Homestead and Savings Association, which resold it to Dr. Mancuso.)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually, New Orleans is a relatively small-knit community!

Shall we see?

Where LHO attempted to get a job parking cars:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: THE DIXIE PARKING CORPORATION

Type Entity: Business Corporation

Status: Not Active (Action by Secretary of State)

2007 Annual Report/Reinstatement form is required in order to reinstate Print Annual Report/Reinstatement Form For Filing

Mailing Address: C/O ESMOND PHELPS, 321 ST. CHARLES ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA

Domicile Address: 321 ST. CHARLES ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150

File Date: 05/07/1937

Registered Agent (Appointed 0/00/0000): ESMOND PHELPS, 321 ST. CHARLES ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: CENTRAL AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER CO. OF TEXAS

Type Entity: Business Corporation (Non-Louisiana)

Status: Not Active (Voluntary action)

Mailing Address:

Domicile Address: 9760 LEMMON AVE., DALLAS, TX 77001

Qualified: 09/02/1949

Registered Agent (Appointed 9/02/1949): ESMOND PHELPS, NO STREET ADDRESS, NEW ORLEANS, LA

Registered Agent (Appointed 9/20/1949): LOUIS B. CLAVERIE, NO STREET ADDRESS, NEW ORLEANS, LA

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: PLAQUEMINES PARISH ICE COMPANY OF LOUISIANA INC.

Type Entity: Business Corporation

Status: Not Active (Action by Secretary of State)

2006 Annual Report/Reinstatement form is required in order to reinstate Print Annual Report/Reinstatement Form For Filing

Mailing Address: ', NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150

Domicile Address: ', NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150

File Date: 12/17/1953

Registered Agent (Appointed 12/17/1953): CHARLES E. DUNBAR, JR., 420 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 12/17/1953): LOUIS B. CLAVERIE, 420 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 12/17/1953): ASHTON PHELPS, JI/ HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: THE ELECTRIC DELIVERY SYSTEM INCORPORATED

Merger or Conversion Information: MERGED INTO THE TIMES-PICAYUNE PUBLISHING CORPORATION,

DOMICILED AT NEW ORLEANS, LA ON JUNE 28, 1991.

Type Entity: Business Corporation

Status: Not Active (Voluntary action)

Last Report Filed on 04/17/1991

Mailing Address: 2740 ST. LOUIS ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70119

Domicile Address: 2740 ST. LOUIS ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70119

File Date: 02/06/1939

Registered Agent (Appointed 5/10/1983): ESMOND PHELPS, II, 546 CARONDELET ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130

Registered Agent (Appointed 5/10/1983): JACK M. WEISS, 546 CARONDELET ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130

President: A. J. PAURATORE, 2740 ST. LOUIS, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70119

Secretary/Treasurer: A. S. MANCUSO, 3800 HOWARD AVE., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70140

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In event one is not familiar with the name "Electric Delivery System", then one should merely think "Wire Service".

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for those insights Thom,

I guess all you Good Ol Boys are related somehow.

Have you read "Confederacy of Dunces"?

Has anybody?

I think John Kennedy Toole (born 1936) New Orleans, La. went to school with or somehow knew LHO, who possibly inspired the opening scene of the book.

BK

In event one will check their "events" calender, they will find that Lee Harvey Oswald's birth certificate is signed by Dr. Bruno Mancuso of New Orleans.

In addition to this, they will find that Dr. Bruno Mancuso acquired the house which Marguerite Claverie Oswald and Robert E. Lee Oswald (father of LHO) owned, and lived in, after the death of LHO's father.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warre...ppendix-13.html

Two months later, on October 18, 1939, a second son was born.31 He was named Lee after his father; Harvey was his paternal grandmother's maiden name. 32 For a while after her husband's death, Mrs. Oswald remained in the Alvar Street house without working; she probably lived on life insurance proceeds. 33 Sometime in 1940, she rented the house to Dr. Bruno F. Mancuso the doctor who had delivered Lee.34 (Dr. Mancuso continued to rent the house until 1944,35 when Marguerite obtained a judgment of possession against him.36 She sold the house for $6,500 to the First Homestead and Savings Association, which resold it to Dr. Mancuso.)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually, New Orleans is a relatively small-knit community!

Shall we see?

Where LHO attempted to get a job parking cars:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: THE DIXIE PARKING CORPORATION

Type Entity: Business Corporation

Status: Not Active (Action by Secretary of State)

2007 Annual Report/Reinstatement form is required in order to reinstate Print Annual Report/Reinstatement Form For Filing

Mailing Address: C/O ESMOND PHELPS, 321 ST. CHARLES ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA

Domicile Address: 321 ST. CHARLES ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150

File Date: 05/07/1937

Registered Agent (Appointed 0/00/0000): ESMOND PHELPS, 321 ST. CHARLES ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: CENTRAL AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER CO. OF TEXAS

Type Entity: Business Corporation (Non-Louisiana)

Status: Not Active (Voluntary action)

Mailing Address:

Domicile Address: 9760 LEMMON AVE., DALLAS, TX 77001

Qualified: 09/02/1949

Registered Agent (Appointed 9/02/1949): ESMOND PHELPS, NO STREET ADDRESS, NEW ORLEANS, LA

Registered Agent (Appointed 9/20/1949): LOUIS B. CLAVERIE, NO STREET ADDRESS, NEW ORLEANS, LA

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: PLAQUEMINES PARISH ICE COMPANY OF LOUISIANA INC.

Type Entity: Business Corporation

Status: Not Active (Action by Secretary of State)

2006 Annual Report/Reinstatement form is required in order to reinstate Print Annual Report/Reinstatement Form For Filing

Mailing Address: ', NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150

Domicile Address: ', NEW ORLEANS, LA 70150

File Date: 12/17/1953

Registered Agent (Appointed 12/17/1953): CHARLES E. DUNBAR, JR., 420 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 12/17/1953): LOUIS B. CLAVERIE, 420 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 12/17/1953): ASHTON PHELPS, JI/ HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: THE ELECTRIC DELIVERY SYSTEM INCORPORATED

Merger or Conversion Information: MERGED INTO THE TIMES-PICAYUNE PUBLISHING CORPORATION,

DOMICILED AT NEW ORLEANS, LA ON JUNE 28, 1991.

Type Entity: Business Corporation

Status: Not Active (Voluntary action)

Last Report Filed on 04/17/1991

Mailing Address: 2740 ST. LOUIS ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70119

Domicile Address: 2740 ST. LOUIS ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70119

File Date: 02/06/1939

Registered Agent (Appointed 5/10/1983): ESMOND PHELPS, II, 546 CARONDELET ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130

Registered Agent (Appointed 5/10/1983): JACK M. WEISS, 546 CARONDELET ST., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130

President: A. J. PAURATORE, 2740 ST. LOUIS, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70119

Secretary/Treasurer: A. S. MANCUSO, 3800 HOWARD AVE., NEW ORLEANS, LA 70140

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In event one is not familiar with the name "Electric Delivery System", then one should merely think "Wire Service".

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Besides presenting the character and type of characters that inhabit the small New Orleans neighborhood where LHO grew up and spent the summer of '63, JKT's "Confederacty of Dunes" opens with a street scuffle and the arrest of a bystander for calling patrolman Mancuso a communist.

Here's the opening of a play adaption of Confederacy of Dunces, the film rights having been secured and sat on by Paramount, the same company that apparently purchased Greyston Lynch's Bay of Pigs story (co-authored by his wife). Like Oswald, the story's anti-hero, Ignatious Rielly is a momma's boy who doesn't drive, takes the bus, denounces authority, can't hold a job, dodge the same cops and hangs out on the same street corners.

My thesis is that JKT's novel COD is a Marx Brothersl-like comic/literary interpretarion of Oswald's FPCC arrest, that JKT was there at the time and was inspired by the incident like another kid from the same small hood - Kerry Thornley, inserted LHO as a character in a novel before the assassination.

Does anybody else see any similarities between LHO and JKT?

BK

CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES – By John Kennedy Tool

SCENE ONE – In front of D. H. Holmes department store in New Orleans, La.

OUTSIDE ON STREET – Cop stops pedestrian standing alone.

Patrolman Mancusco: "You got any identification, mister?"

Ignatious Reilly - "What? Who are you?"

PM : "Let me see your driver's license."

IR - "I don't drive. Will you kindly go away? I am waiting for my mother."

PM: "What's this hanging out your bag?"

IR - "What do you think it is, stupid? It's a string for my lute."

PM : "What's that?" Are you local?"

IR - "Is it the part of the police department to harass me when this city is a flagrant vice capitol of the civilized world? This city is famous for its gamblers, prostitutes, exhibitionists, Antichrists, alcoholics, sodomites, drug addicts, fetishists, onanists, pornographers, frauds, jades, litterbugs, and lesbians, all of whom are only too well protected by graft. If you have a moment, I shall endeavor to discuss the crime problem with you, but don't make the mistake of bothering me."

"Hey,"

"Take that!"

[/size]

SCENE TWO – IR's Mother - Inside bake shop.

"Oh, Miss Inez,"

"Over here, babe, Hey, how you making, How you feeling, darling?"

"Not so hot,"

"Ain't that a shame."

"I don't feel so hot myself. It's my feet."

"Lord, I wish I was that lucky I got arthritis in my elbow."

"Aw, no! My poor papa's got that. We make him go set himself in a hoot tub fulla berling water."

"My boy's floating around in our tub all day long. I can/'t hardly get in my own bathroom no more.

"I thought he was married, precious."

"Ignatius? Eh, la la, Sweetlheart, you wanna gimmie two dozen of the fancy mix?"

"But I thought you told me he was married."

"He ain't even got him a prospect. The little girlfriend he had flew the coop. "

"Well, he's got time."

"I guess so. Look, you wanna gimme half dozen wine cakes, too. Ignatius gets nasty if we run outta cake."

"Your boy likes his cake, huh?"

"Oh, Lord, my elbow's killing me."

SCENE THREE – Scuffle out on the street.

IR - "I shall contact the mayor."

Old Man Spectator: "Let the boy alone,"

"Go get the strippers on Bourbon Street. He's a good boy. He's waiting for his momma."

IR -"Thank you, I hope that all of you will bear witness to this outrage."

PM: "You come with me. We're going to the precinct."

Old Man - "A good boy can't even wait for is momma by D. H. Holmes. I'm telling you, the city was never like this. It's the communiss."

PM: "Are you calling me a communiss? I'll take you in, too. You better watch out who you calling a communiss."

Old Man - "You can't arrest me, I'm a member of the Golden Age Club sponsored by the New Orleans Recreation Department."

Spectator: "Let that old man alone, you dirty cop. He's prolly somebody's granpaw."

IR's Mom - "I am. I got six granchirren all studying with the sisters. Smart, too."

IR - "Mother! Not a moment too soon. I've been seized."

IRM - "Ignatius! What's going on here? What you done now? Hey, take your hands off my boy."

PM: "I'm not touching him, lady. Is this here your son?"

IR - "Of course. I'm her child. Can't you see her affection for me?"

Spectator: "She loves her boy."

IRM: "What you trying to do my poor child? You got plenty business picking on poor children with all the kind of people they got running in this town. Waiting for his momma and they try to arrest him."

IR - This is clearly a case for the Civil Liberties Union. We must contact Myrna Minkoff, my lost love. She knows about those things."

Old Man: "It's the communis."

PM: "How old is he?"

IR -"I am thirty."

PM: "You got a job?"

IRM - "Ignatius hasta help me at home. I got terrible arthritis."

IR: "I dust a bit. In addition, I am at the moment writing a lengthly indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors. I make an occasional cheese dip."

IRM - "Ignatius makes delicious cheese dips."

Old Man: "That's very nice of him. Most boys are out running around all the time."

PM: "Why don't you shut up?"

"Ignatius, what you done, boy?"

IR - "Actually, Mother, I believe that it was he who started everything."

"I was simply standing about, waiting for you, praying that the news from the doctor would be encouraging."

S: "Get that old man outta here. He's making trouble. It's a shame they got people like him walking the streets."

Old Man: "The police are all communiss."

S: "Didn't I say for you to shut up?"

IRM - "I fall on my knees every night to thank my God we got protection. We'd all be dead without the police. We'd all be laying in our beds with our throats cut open from ear to ear."

S: "That's the truth, girl."

IRM - "Say a rosary for the police force."

Old Man: "Would you say a rosary for a communiss?"

S: "No!"

Old Man: "It's the truth, lady. He tried to arrest your boy. Just like in Russia. They're all communiss."

IRM - "Come on."

S: "Oh, my God!

IRM - "Now my nerves are totally frayed."

BS: "Help! It's a takeover. It's a violation of the Constitution!"

IRM - "He's crazy, Ignatius. We'd better get outta here, baby. Run, folks. HE might kill us all. Personally, I think maybe he's the communiss."

IR - "You don't have to overdo it, Mother. Will you please slow down a bit? I think I'm having a heart murmur."

IRM -"Oh, shut up. How do you think I feel? I shouldn't haveta be running like this at my age."

IR -"The heart is important at any age, I'm afraid."

IRM - "They's nothing wrong with your heart."

IR -"There will be if we don't go a little slower. Do you have my lute string?"

IRM -"How come that policeman was after you, boy?"

IR - "I shall never know. But he will probably be coming after us in a few moments, as soon as he has subdued that aged fascist."

IRM -"You think so?"

IR -"I would imagine so. He seemed determined to arrest me. He must have some sort of quota or something. I seriously doubt that he will permit me to elude him so easily."

IRM - "Wouldn't that be awful? You'd be all over the papers, Ignatius. The disgrace! You msuta done something while you was waiting for me, Ignatius, I know you boy."

IR - "If anyone was ever minding his business, it was I. Please. We must stop. I think I'm going to have a hemorage."

IRM - "Okay. Let's go in here and sit down."

SCENE FOUR – Night of Joy bar. A strip bar near the French Quarter.

IR - "My God. Mother, it smells awful. My stomach is beginning to churn."

IRM - "You wana go back on the street? You want that policeman to take you in?"

IR - "Yes?"

IRM - "I shall have a coffee. Chicory coffee with boiled milk."

Waiter: "Only instant,"

IR - "I can't possibly drink that. It's an abomination."

IRM - "Well, get a beer, Ignatius. It won't kill you."

IR - "I may bloat."

IRM - "I'll take a Dixie 45."

Waiter: "And the gentleman? What's his pleasure?"

IR - "Give him a Dixie, too."

IR - "I may not drink it."

IRM - "We can't sit in here for free, Ignatius."

"I don't see why not. We're the only customers. They should be glad to have us."

"They got strippers in here at night, huh?"

IR -"I would imagine so. We might have stopped somewhere else. I suspect that the police will raid this place momentarily anyway. Thank go my mustache filters out some of the stench. My olfacftories are already beginning to send out distress signals."

"You don't by any chance have a cold Dr. Nut, do you?"

W: "No."

IRM - "My son loves Dr. Nut. I gotta buy it by the case. Sometimes he sits himself down and drinks two, three Dr. Nuts at one time."

IR - "I am sure that this man is not particularly interested."

IRM -"Like to take that cap off?"

IR – "No, I wouldn't. There's a chill in here."

IRM - "Suit yourself.

IR- "Really"

IRM - "Calm down."

IR - "Well, I will lift this so that you won't have to strain your voice. What did the doctor tell you about your elbow or whatever it is?"

IRM - "It's gotta be messaged."

IR - "I hope you don't want me to do that. You know how I feel about touching other people."

IRM -"He told me to stay out of the cold as much as possible."

IR - "If I could drive, I would be able to help you more, I imagine."

IRM - "Aw, that's okay, honey."

IR - "Actually, even riding in a car affects me enough. Of course, the worst thing is riding on top in one of those Greyhound Scencruisers. So high up. Do you remember the time that I went to Baton Rouge in one of those? I vomited several times. The driver had to stop the bus somewhere in the swamps to let me get off and walk around for a while. The other passengers were rather angry. They must have had stomachs of iron to ride in that awful machine. Leaving New Orleans also frightened me considerably. Outside the city limits the heart of darkness, the true wasteland begins."

IRM - "I remember that, Ignatius. You was really sick when you got back home."

IR - "I felt better then. The worst moment was my arrival in Baton Rouge. I realized that I had a round-trip ticket and would have to return on the bus."

IRM - "You told me that, babe."

IR - "The taxi back to New Orleans cost me forty dollars, but at least I wasn't violently ill during the taxi ride, although I felt myself beginning to gag several times. I made the driver go very slowly, which was fortunate for him. The state police stopped him twice for being below the minimum highway speed limit. On the third time that they stopped him they took away his chauffeur's license. You see, they had been watching us on the radar all along."

"Of course, that was the only time that I had ever been out of New Orleans in my life. I think that perhaps it was the lack of a center of orientation that might have upset me. Speeding along in that bus was like hurtling into the abyss. By the time we had left the swamps and reached those rolling hills near Baton Rouge, I was getting afraid that some rural rednecks might toss bombs in the bus. They love to attack vehicles, which are a symbol of progress, I guess."

IRM - "Well, I'm glad you didn't take the job."

IR - "I couldn't possibly take the job. When I saw the chairman of the Medieval Cultural Department, my hands began breaking out in small white bumps. He was a totally soulless man. Then he made a comment about my not wearing a tie and made some smirky remark about the lumber jacket. I was appalled that so meaningless a person would dare such effrontery. That lumber jacket was one of the few creature comforts to which I've ever been really attached, and if I ever find the lunatic who stole it, I shall report him to the proper authorities."

"You see, I was so overwhelmed by the complete grossness of that spurious 'chairman' that I ran from his office in the middle of one of his cretinous ramblings and rushed to the nearest bathroom, which turned out to be the one for 'Faculty Men.' At any rate, I was seated in one of the booths, having rested the lumber jacket on top of the door of the booth. Suddenly I saw the jacket being whisked over the door. I heard footsteps. Then the door of the rest room closed. At the moment. I was unable to pursue the shameless thief, so I began to scream. Someone entered the bathroom and knocked at the door of the booth. It turned out to be a member of the campus security force, or so he said. Through the door I explained what had just happened. He promised to find the jacket and went away. Actually, as I have mentioned to you before, I have always suspected that he and the 'chairman' were the same person. Their voices sounded somewhat similar."

IRM - "You sure can't trust nobody nowadays, honey."

IR - "As soon as I could, I fled from the bathroom, eager only to get away from that horrible place. Of course, I was almost frozen standing on that desolate campus trying to hail a taxi. I finally got one that agreed to take me to New Orleans for forty dollars, and the driver was selfless enough to lend me his jacket. By the time we arrived here, however, he was quite depressed about losing his license and had grown rather surly. He also appeared to be developing a bad cold, judging by the frequency of his sneezes. After all, we were on the highway for almost two hours."

IRM - I think I could drink me another beer, Ignatius.

IR - "Mother! In this forsaken place?"

IRM- "Just one, baby. Come on, I want another."

IR - "We're probably catching something from these glasses. However, if you're quite determined about the thing, get me a brandy, will you?"

Waiter - "Now what happened to you on that bus, bud" I didn't get the end of the story?"

IR - "You will kindly tend the bar properly? It is your duty to silently serve when we call upon you. If we had wished to include you in our conversation, we would have indicated it by now. As a matter of fact, we are discussing rather urgent personal matters."

IRM - "The man's just trying to be nice, Ignatius. Shame on you."

IR - "That in itself is a contradiction in terms. No one could possibly be nice in a den like this."

IRM - "We want two more beers."

IR - "One beer and one brandy."

Waiter - "No more clean glasses."

IRM - "Ain't that a shame. Well, we can use the ones we got."

PRECINCT JAILHOUSE –

Old Man.

Black Man.

Officer Mancuso

Sgt. At Desk

Black Man under arrest for shoplifting cashew nuts

BM - "Whoa! Sy, you mus belong to everthin."

Old Man: "How come they draggin in somebody like you?"

BM - "Them po-lice mus be getting desperate."

"I'm here in violation of my constitutional rights."

OM: "Well, they not gonna believe that. You better think up something else."

BM - "Hey, wha this mean, 'Colder Age'?"

:"Them little card not gonna do you no good. They throw you in jail anyway. They throw everybody in jail."

OM: "You think so?"

BM - "Sure. How come you here, man?"

OM - "I don't know."

BM - "You don know? Whoa! That crazy. You gotta be here for something. Plenty time they pickin up color peoples for nothing, but mister, you gotta be here for somethin."

OM - "I really don't know. I was just standing in a crowd in front of D.H. Holmes."

BM - "And you lif somebody wallet?"

"No, I called a policeman a name."

BM - "Like wha you callin him?"

OM - "Communiss."

BM - "Cawmniss! Ooo-woo. If I call a po-lice a cawmniss, my ass be in Angola right now for sure. I like to call one of them mother a cawmniss, though. Like this afternoon I standin around in Woolworth and some cat steal a bag of cashew nuts out of the 'Nut House' star screamin like she been stab. Hey! The nex thing, a flo'walk grabbin me, and then a police mother draggen me off. A man ain got a chance. Whoa! Nobody finding them cashews on me, but that police still draggin me off. I think that flo'walk a cawmniss. Mean motherxxxxer."

"They probably let you go. Me, they probly gamma a little talk think it scare me, even though they knew I ain got them cashews. They probably try to prove I got them nuts. They probly but a bag, slip it in my pocket. Woolworth probly try to sned me up for life."

"I wonder who lift them nuts. Probly that flo'walk hisself."

Sgt. At Desk : "What's your name?"

OM: "Claude Robinchaux."

SAD - "Patrolman Mancuso here says you resisted arrest and called him a communiss."

OM - "I didn't mean it."

SAD - "Mancuso says you says all policemen are communiss."

BM - "Oo-wee,"

SAD - "Will you shut up, Jones?"

BM - "Okay."

SAD - "I'll get you next."

BM - "Say, I didn't call nobody no cawmniss. I been frame by that flo'walk in Woolsworth. I don even like cashews."

..............

Edited by William Kelly
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am wondering how Dr. Kurtz was able to identify Banister's debate partner and Banister's coffee shop friend as Lee Oswald as early as the summer of 1963? Oswald was pretty much unknown to the public then.

Or let me assume that he didn't identify Oswald then but later made the connection, say after 11/22/1963 when Oswald became known to the general public, how could Dr. Kurtz be so certain that this was the same person he saw some 5 months prior, in the company of Guy Banister? Did Lee Oswald leave such a remarkable impression on him, that he would recall this young fellow 5 months later as having been in the presence of Mr. Banister? Did he know that Oswald was pro-Castro, communist etc. when he saw him at the Mancuso coffee shop in the summer of 1963?

I'm more comfortable with Dr. Kurtz identifying Guy Banister, since Banister was a longer term resident of New Orleans, and probably frequented the coffee shop regularly.

Yes Antti, your points are well taken.

Meanwhile, Back at Mancuso's - (Sorry about that bad attempt to post the relevant parts of CODs. Will try to correct it. )

But Kurtz wasn't the only person to see Banister and Oswald together at Mancuso's. I think Bannister's secretary confirmed this, so we're not depending on Kurtz, rather he is confirming something we already know.

While Oswald may not have frequented Mancuso's on a regular basis, he did patronize the Dobbs House coffee shop in Oak Cliff and was known to visit cafes in Mexico City, though most always by himself.

Oswald apparently drank coffee, soda - Dr. Pepper, beer on occassion, but never to excess, and lemonade, as ordered at the Habana Bar, around the corner from House of Joy, an unforgetful incident (Is Oreste Pena still alive).

I tend to believe Kurtz because he was a student at the time, and doesn't try to embellish it.

BK

Link to comment
Share on other sites

William Kelly Posted Today, 08:31 AM

QUOTE(Antti Hynonen @ Jul 25 2007, 07:30 AM)

I am wondering how Dr. Kurtz was able to identify Banister's debate partner and Banister's coffee shop friend as Lee Oswald as early as the summer of 1963? Oswald was pretty much unknown to the public then.

Or let me assume that he didn't identify Oswald then but later made the connection, say after 11/22/1963 when Oswald became known to the general public, how could Dr. Kurtz be so certain that this was the same person he saw some 5 months prior, in the company of Guy Banister? Did Lee Oswald leave such a remarkable impression on him, that he would recall this young fellow 5 months later as having been in the presence of Mr. Banister? Did he know that Oswald was pro-Castro, communist etc. when he saw him at the Mancuso coffee shop in the summer of 1963?

I'm more comfortable with Dr. Kurtz identifying Guy Banister, since Banister was a longer term resident of New Orleans, and probably frequented the coffee shop regularly.

Yes Antti, your points are well taken.

Meanwhile, Back at Mancuso's - (Sorry about that bad attempt to post the relevant parts of CODs. Will try to correct it. )

But Kurtz wasn't the only person to see Banister and Oswald together at Mancuso's. I think Bannister's secretary confirmed this, so we're not depending on Kurtz, rather he is confirming something we already know.

While Oswald may not have frequented Mancuso's on a regular basis, he did patronize the Dobbs House coffee shop in Oak Cliff and was known to visit cafes in Mexico City, though most always by himself.

Oswald apparently drank coffee, soda - Dr. Pepper, beer on occassion, but never to excess, and lemonade, as ordered at the Habana Bar, around the corner from House of Joy, an unforgetful incident (Is Oreste Pena still alive).

I tend to believe Kurtz because he was a student at the time, and doesn't try to embellish it.

BK

That could be Bill. I don't know if she also claims to have seen Lee at Mancuso's, but at least she has claimed that Lee came into Banister's office and filled out a form and sat down with Guy Banister and a "lengthy conversation took place". See Spartacus link below/A. Summers interview of D. Roberts.

Kurtz could well be correct, I have nothing to show that he is wrong. I am just questioning how he was able to recognize Oswald as early as in the summer of 1963. As I said he might not have recognized Lee at that time per se. Rather, that he made the connection later, when in November of 1963 Lee was in the media for alledgedly having shot JFK and Tippit. In either case, I wonder what it was about Lee at Mancuso's that left such an impression on Dr. Kurtz, that he'd remember such an "average Joe" looking character like Lee. Perhaps Dr. Kurtz overheard details of the conversation (Castro - Anti-Castro) and something within that struck him as unusual, enough to remember the coffee shop fellow with Banister. Perhaps the debate occurred first and something about the debate stuck with him, enough for him to recall Lee later by it.

Hmmm....

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrobertsD.htm

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Historically speaking!

For those who do not wish to become totally lost in this morass, might I recommend that one review those long ago posted items relative to the actions of John Wilkes Booth on the streets of New Orleans French Quarter in antagonizing the Federal Occupation Troops, as well as the actions of Lewis McWillie in the Miami, FL airport in regards to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

Although some "re-runs" are better than the original, some are merely poor imitations by inexperienced "players".

Tom

P.S. The actions of Booth are what "Legends" are created of, and were a standard to live up to in the old French Quarter/Bourbon St. area of New Orleans.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am wondering how Dr. Kurtz was able to identify Banister's debate partner and Banister's coffee shop friend as Lee Oswald as early as the summer of 1963? Oswald was pretty much unknown to the public then.

I tend to believe Kurtz because he was a student at the time, and doesn't try to embellish it.

BK

I am also doubtful about Kurtz's ID.

Correct me if this is wrong, but my understanding is that, in the first edition of his book back in the early eighties, Kurtz never mentioned seeing Lee Oswald. If this is something he suddenly remembered in time for the second edition, then it would be hard to take it seriously.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...