One Giant Spotlight For All Mankind

[Evan Burton]

Happy New Year Duane, and hoping you have a great next 12 months!

The Cairns lady: It happened, it was humour in the context of my post, but forget that and just have a good celebration. Cheers and beers!

[Duane Daman]

Okay , getting back on topic then .. here's another excerpt from NASA's self serving book 'Moon Dust' .

"Unlike most of his colleagues he decided that the problem was not with the questioners, but with himself and the anquish he felt at being unable to recall the feeling of being there. Eventually, he got two friends to regress him under hypnosis, after which he felt something significant had happened to him on the flight- that the epiphany provided no less than a window on the Universe: a clue as to its structure and our connection to it"

Moon Dust p.52

Do you perhaps know of any other instances where somebody had to require hypnotic regression to remember how it felt to be one of the main players in an important event that was witnessed by practically everybody that owned a tv set at the time ? .... Everyone remembers where they were and how they felt when the Apollo astronauts allegedly walked on the Moon ... So why not Mitchell ?

Edited January 1, 2008 by Duane Daman

[Dave Greer]

Okay , getting back on topic then .. here's another excerpt from NASA's self serving book 'Moon Dust' .

"Unlike most of his colleagues he decided that the problem was not with the questioners, but with himself and the anquish he felt at being unable to recall the feeling of being there. Eventually, he got two friends to regress him under hypnosis, after which he felt something significant had happened to him on the flight- that the epiphany provided no less than a window on the Universe: a clue as to its structure and our connection to it"

Moon Dust p.52

Do you perhaps know of any other instances where somebody had to require hypnotic regression to remember how it felt to be one of the main players in an important event that was witnessed by practically everybody that owned a tv set at the time ? .... Everyone remembers where they were and how they felt when the Apollo astronauts allegedly walked on the Moon ... So why not Mitchell ?

Hell no. Seems odd to me. But then, I come from a country where going to see a "shrink" still has social stigma attached to it: apparently that passes for normality in the good ol' US of A.

At least it seemed to work for him. Awe and wonderment are two of the words he uses to express what he felt at the time.

If he didn't go to the moon, why didn't those two psychologists manage to untangle those false memories that were surreptitiously implanted back in 1971? Let me guess: his false memories were being firmware upgraded to version 2.01a to include emotions?

Those pesky CIA brainwashing cells get everywhere these days...

[Duane Daman]

Those pesky CIA brainwashing cells get everywhere these days...

Yes they sure do ... It's too bad they can implant false memories and even emotions ( well , sometimes anyway ) but just can't quite seem to remove the anger that comes along with the guilt of being brainwashed into believing something that isn't true .

Take the anger displayed here by Mitchell for instance ... For someone who couldn't remember what it felt like to be on the Moon , he sure remembered what it felt like to get real angry with someone who understood why he couldn't remember ... The anger even rubbed off on his son too !

MOON LANDING HOAX : Mitchell's son Makes Death Threat

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv2IIHhBu5A

[Evan Burton]

How many times have you raised that now? I bet I can find examples of people you consider "heroes" also making such remarks after being hounded, harassed, and stalked.

At best that is an opinion - not proof. We have also provided viable and reasonable explanation as to why it occurs.

If you believe it is NOT viable, then please contact a psychologist or human behaviour specialist. Ask them if the behaviour is anomalous and post the answer here. I'll do the same, and we can compare results. Is 14 days enough? People are on holidays ATM.

[Greg Parker]

...and the last one from Greg Parker , who made a rather perceptive joke about Lamson's attack antics against Jack , by comparing them to a Monty Python skit .

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I would like to know which moderator took it upon himself to delete these posts and why ... No moderator should be able to display this type of bias on this forum by deleting anyone's post comments .

I made them invisible, after consultation with other Mods, and at Jack White's request.

Hey....don't blame me. I was protesting Parker's constant ridicule of me. He made

the same exact Monty Python posting three times in response to various postings

of mine. None of them added any meaning to any of the discussions.

Jack, I made a recommendation to you that I believe to be at least as useful as the book you keep recommending in threads I start. This quid pro quo will continue until YOU cease trying to steer the topic of such threads onto Armstrong's book. If you want to discuss it, that's fine with me - start new threads on it and leave mine the hell alone.

The mods can keep deleting them. I don't care. There is no consistency anyway. I get censored for calling a spade a spade, provide the evidence that the spade is in fact a spade, and even provide the context and motive behind the spade. Yet you - without any evidence whatsoever, have been allowed, on multiple occasions, to call me a provocateur. Tim Gratz gets put on moderation for exactly what you do to threads I start - but you get a free pass to continue.

The ball, as they say, is in your court now.

And Duane, I am, for better or worse, not anything remotely like Lamson. But that's just your MO, isn't it? Can't cope unless you can lump all perceived "enemies" in the one basket? Well, I guess you gotta do SOMETHING with all those one's you've weaved.

What is INVISIBLE? That is the same as DELETING them, isn't it?

Jack

PS...Duane, the attacks were aimed at me, NOT Lamson.

[Duane Daman]

And Duane, I am, for better or worse, not anything remotely like Lamson. But that's just your MO, isn't it? Can't cope unless you can lump all perceived "enemies" in the one basket? Well, I guess you gotta do SOMETHING with all those one's you've weaved.

.... Did you write that all by yourself or did perhaps Lamson write that one for you ?

Thanks for proving my point ... You are exactly the same , in this context anyway .... You attack everything that Jack posts here and then rip into anyone who defends him .

[Duane Daman]

How many times have you raised that now? I bet I can find examples of people you consider "heroes" also making such remarks after being hounded, harassed, and stalked.

At best that is an opinion - not proof. We have also provided viable and reasonable explanation as to why it occurs.

If you believe it is NOT viable, then please contact a psychologist or human behaviour specialist. Ask them if the behaviour is anomalous and post the answer here. I'll do the same, and we can compare results. Is 14 days enough? People are on holidays ATM.

Not a chance ... No psychologist or human behavior expert could give a clinical assessment ( especially via e-mail ) unless they had all the facts at hand .

Now I'll repeat what I've already asked of you .

"Do you perhaps know of any other instances where somebody had to require hypnotic regression to remember how it felt to be one of the main players in an important event that was witnessed by practically everybody that owned a tv set at the time ? .... Everyone remembers where they were and how they felt when the Apollo astronauts allegedly walked on the Moon ... So why not Mitchell ? "

"Unlike most of his colleagues he decided that the problem was not with the questioners, but with himself and the anquish he felt at being unable to recall the feeling of being there. Eventually, he got two friends to regress him under hypnosis, after which he felt something significant had happened to him on the flight- that the epiphany provided no less than a window on the Universe: a clue as to its structure and our connection to it"

Moon Dust p.52

[Evan Burton]

"Do you perhaps know of any other instances where somebody had to require hypnotic regression to remember how it felt to be one of the main players in an important event that was witnessed by practically everybody that owned a tv set at the time ? .... Everyone remembers where they were and how they felt when the Apollo astronauts allegedly walked on the Moon ... So why not Mitchell ? "

Quite restrictive conditions you have set: main player in an important event witness by practically everybody...; the only other people are the other astronauts. I think it was Buzz Aldrin who described it this way:

"We missed the whole thing"

He doesn't go in for the hypnosis, though. So why did Ed Mitchell? Why was he the only one? Perhaps because he is drawn to that area. You know that he conducted an ESP experiment during the flight? That after leaving NASA he set up the Institute of Noetic Sciences to study consciousness? That he investigated psychic phenomena like telepathy, clairvoyance, intuition?

So let's look at this again: Does turning to hypnotic regression in order to explore the feelings of walking on the Moon - something that most of them have trouble explaining - fit the behaviour profile of this man? Yep, it does.

[Duane Daman]

"Do you perhaps know of any other instances where somebody had to require hypnotic regression to remember how it felt to be one of the main players in an important event that was witnessed by practically everybody that owned a tv set at the time ? .... Everyone remembers where they were and how they felt when the Apollo astronauts allegedly walked on the Moon ... So why not Mitchell ? "

Quite restrictive conditions you have set: main player in an important event witness by practically everybody...; the only other people are the other astronauts. I think it was Buzz Aldrin who described it this way:

"We missed the whole thing"

He doesn't go in for the hypnosis, though. So why did Ed Mitchell? Why was he the only one? Perhaps because he is drawn to that area. You know that he conducted an ESP experiment during the flight? That after leaving NASA he set up the Institute of Noetic Sciences to study consciousness? That he investigated psychic phenomena like telepathy, clairvoyance, intuition?

So let's look at this again: Does turning to hypnotic regression in order to explore the feelings of walking on the Moon - something that most of them have trouble explaining - fit the behaviour profile of this man? Yep, it does.

So now it's Mitchell the "Apollo Hero" to Mitchell the "wo wo" , is it ??

Funny you should mention Buzz Aldrin because according to his book 'Return to Earth' , he also had some difficulty answering the simple question posed by his base commander ... "what was it like on the Moon" ?

Buzz wrote that he felt extremely nervous prior to this event at his military base .... He apparently blurted out some answer , then ran off into an alley where he cried his heart out , and then got ripping drunk .

So do you think that Buzz Aldrin is a "wo wo" like Mitchell , or possibly another MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE ?

Edited January 3, 2008 by Duane Daman

[Evan Burton]

So now it's Mitchell the "Apollo Hero" to Mitchell the "wo wo" , is it ??

If you are going to use the terms, try and at least get them right Duane; the term is Woo-Woo. And no, not IMO. I happen to think that investigation of psychic phenomena is well worth exploring; many will disagree with me. It does not detract from his role as the LMP on Apollo 14.

What it demonstrates is it is in keeping with their personalities.

Funny you should mention Buzz Aldrin because according to his book 'Return to Earth' , he also had some difficulty answering the simple question posed by his base commander ... "what was it like on the Moon" ?

Buzz wrote that he felt extremely nervous prior to this event at his military base .... He apparently blurted out some answer , then ran off into an alley where he cried his heart out , and then got ripping drunk .

I've never read the book (though I'd like to). Could you type out the paragraph? It would be interesting reading.

You know at that time he was suffering alcoholism? Depression?

What we continually come back to is that you have no proof, nothing substantial. Nothing but your layman opinion.

Why don't you get the opinion of someone who is trained, like a psychologist? Someone who could say "no, that doesn't sound like a normal reaction to..." or "clinically speaking, this would be expected from a person who was taking part in a great deception...."?

I can guess why - because none of them would say it. Most, if not all, would say that they were normal reactions from the people. They could look at the situations they were in, the personalities they exhibited prior to their flights, and assess their behaviour after the flights.

There might even be something on the web about that. I'll have a look later and see.

So I'm guessing that once more it is Duane against the World; what Duane thinks rather than what he can actually prove.

[Duane Daman]

So now it's Mitchell the "Apollo Hero" to Mitchell the "wo wo" , is it ??

If you are going to use the terms, try and at least get them right Duane; the term is Woo-Woo. And no, not IMO. I happen to think that investigation of psychic phenomena is well worth exploring; many will disagree with me. It does not detract from his role as the LMP on Apollo 14.

What it demonstrates is it is in keeping with their personalities.

Funny you should mention Buzz Aldrin because according to his book 'Return to Earth' , he also had some difficulty answering the simple question posed by his base commander ... "what was it like on the Moon" ?

Buzz wrote that he felt extremely nervous prior to this event at his military base .... He apparently blurted out some answer , then ran off into an alley where he cried his heart out , and then got ripping drunk .

I've never read the book (though I'd like to). Could you type out the paragraph? It would be interesting reading.

You know at that time he was suffering alcoholism? Depression?

What we continually come back to is that you have no proof, nothing substantial. Nothing but your layman opinion.

Why don't you get the opinion of someone who is trained, like a psychologist? Someone who could say "no, that doesn't sound like a normal reaction to..." or "clinically speaking, this would be expected from a person who was taking part in a great deception...."?

I can guess why - because none of them would say it. Most, if not all, would say that they were normal reactions from the people. They could look at the situations they were in, the personalities they exhibited prior to their flights, and assess their behaviour after the flights.

There might even be something on the web about that. I'll have a look later and see.

So I'm guessing that once more it is Duane against the World; what Duane thinks rather than what he can actually prove.

Well , you guessed wrong then ... It's not "Duane against the world " , it's only Duane against a handful of fanatical Apollo apologists on another political conspiracy discussion forum .

Why all the personal insults Evan ? .... It's usually not like you to get so easily rattled or hot under the collar ... I would think you would be a bit nicer , especially since according to you , I can't prove anything .

I'M SURE MITCHELL IS NOT THE ONLY "WOO WOO" ( is that better ? ) WHO HAS BEEN THE FOCUS OF WORLD ATTENTION .... SO FOR THE THIRD TIME OF ME ASKING , PLEASE GIVE ME ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY WHO REQUIRED HYPNOTIC RERESSION .... BECAUSE MITCHELL ....

" became worried by his irritation with the question " What did it feel like to walk on the Moon?" Unlike most of his colleagues, he decided that the problem was not with the questioners, but with himself and the anquish he felt at being unable to recall the feeling of being there".

Moon Dust P 52,53

I don't have a copy of 'Return To Earth' but David Percy mentions the book and Aldrin's bizzare behaviour in his excellent book 'Dark Moon' .... Greenmagoos or Jarrah White may own a copy.... I'll find out and hopefully post the relevant part.

Yes, I was aware that Buzz was suffering from depression and alcoholism.... I presume there was no signs of the alcoholism and depression prior to his selection as an Astronaut or for the Apollo 11 mission though .

I don't think any psychologist or behavioural expert could give any more than an opinion but they might point you in the way of some other famous "woo woos" who needed hypnotic regression to remember an event that entire TV watching world witnessed.

BTW do you think maybe Jim Irwin was another Manchurian Candidate?

" It was hard for some of Irwins astronaut colleagues to understand his transformation; they would joke " I don't know what happened to ol' Jim up there...."

A Man On The Moon - A.Chaikin P.558

After Apollo , Irwin decided he prefered being a Raider of Noah's Ark instead of a spaceman...

Does 'Operation Paperclip' ring any bells soldier ? .... Well then stay tuned , cuz there's more NASA Nazi mind control info to come !

Edited January 3, 2008 by Duane Daman

[Greg Parker]

And Duane, I am, for better or worse, not anything remotely like Lamson. But that's just your MO, isn't it? Can't cope unless you can lump all perceived "enemies" in the one basket? Well, I guess you gotta do SOMETHING with all those one's you've weaved.

.... Did you write that all by yourself or did perhaps Lamson write that one for you ?

Thanks for proving my point ... You are exactly the same , in this context anyway .... You attack everything that Jack posts here and then rip into anyone who defends him .

"Everything"? I rarely post in this section at all, and have never entered into any of Jack's arguments here. One of the few times I've responded to Jack at all (aside from when he invades my threads with his one line sales pitch for Armstrong's book) was to agree with whatever point he made at the time. Flinging baseless allegations doesn't do much to convince me I was wrong about your MO.

[Evan Burton]

Why all the personal insults Evan ? .... It's usually not like you to get so easily rattled or hot under the collar ... I would think you would be a bit nicer , especially since according to you , I can't prove anything .

I don't consider it an insult, but an observation. Grand claims but no substance to back those claims. And when you hear the same song over and over again, you tend to tire of it.

I'M SURE MITCHELL IS NOT THE ONLY "WOO WOO" ( is that better ? ) WHO HAS BEEN THE FOCUS OF WORLD ATTENTION .... SO FOR THE THIRD TIME OF ME ASKING , PLEASE GIVE ME ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY WHO REQUIRED HYPNOTIC RERESSION ....

I'm trying, but I make no guarantee that I can find someone. People use hypnosis all the time for a variety of reasons. Trying to find someone who was the focus of world attention and used hypnosis to relive the experience - and has published that - might be difficult.

Yes, I was aware that Buzz was suffering from depression and alcoholism.... I presume there was no signs of the alcoholism and depression prior to his selection as an Astronaut or for the Apollo 11 mission though .

I'm not qualified to judge, but I think there was. From peer reports, he was drinking a fair bit before the Apollo 11 mission but that in itself was not indicative of anything; the culture certainly did not discourage hard drinking... except if it meant you did not perform to the required standards. The depression may have started from his drive for perfection but he tended to be a little bit of a loner amongst the astronauts. Anyway, as I said, I'm not qualified to judge.

I don't think any psychologist or behavioural expert could give any more than an opinion but they might point you in the way of some other famous "woo woos" who needed hypnotic regression to remember an event that entire TV watching world witnessed.

I don't think they would make a clinical assessment, but I am certain they could make a more informed opinion than either you or I.

BTW do you think maybe Jim Irwin was another Manchurian Candidate?

Jim Irwin went on to found a ministry, and was a religious man beforehand according to his peers. I'm an athiest and so am again not qualified - nor inclined - to discuss his beliefs and the effect they had on him. You also bandy this term "Manchurian Candidate" about. I'm aware of the novel, the movie, and references to the MK ULTRA programme... but I am not aware of any proven example of such a person. Of course, I could easily be wrong about this. People speculate of course. The only examples that bear any semblance to what refer to are the Moonie cult and other cults.

Does 'Operation Paperclip' ring any bells soldier ? .... Well then stay tuned , cuz there's more NASA Nazi mind control info to come !

Try to stay on topic when you do so; you've made claims and so you should support them directly. It would be nice to see if you link PAPERCLIP directly to them. So far all you are doing is saying people don't behave how you expect them to.

BTW, it's sailor (or more properly officer since I hold the Queen's Commission).

[Duane Daman]

Okay sailor... Thanks for answering my questions to the best of your ability .... I'm sure anything I ask can be answered by either you or one of your many NASA think tank buddies at Baut , Apollo Hoax and the UM .

I plan to stay on topic and I also plan to post evidence that NASA was involved with certain mind control projects ... Operation Paperclip and the Monarch Program being a couple of them ... but before I get into all that , here's a little more info about astronot Buzz , since we have been discussing him and his emotional and drinking problems .

"There are some questions you don't ask Buzz Aldrin —- clichés he's heard so often that they set his teeth on edge. Chief among them: How did it feel to walk on the moon?

"I try to answer," he admits wearily. "I say, 'It felt terrific. Tremendously satisfying. The mission was going well, and our training had prepared us perfectly.'

"But then people say, 'No ... how did it feel? How did it really feel?'" He bristles. "For Christ's sake, I don't know. I just don't know. I have been frustrated since the day I left the moon by that question." He shakes his head. "Some things just can't be described. And stepping onto the moon was one of them."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/07/...m=/news/feature

Some things just can't be described alright ... Especially if you were never there to describe them .