Steve Knight Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Is it just me, or does any time he's challenged on something, Mr. White's reply is a variant of a 5year-old's "NO YOU!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Is it just me, or does any time he's challenged on something, Mr. White's reply is a variant of a 5year-old's "NO YOU!"? Correct. IT IS JUST YOU. All I have done is ask for photos showing the rover attached to the LM, being lowered, being assembled, being outfitted...anything. Burton continues to stonewall...BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SUCH PHOTOS. What are YOUR QUALIFICATIONS in this discussion? How are you qualified to insult me as infantile? I question YOUR motives. Put up or shut up. Jack Edited March 22, 2011 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I couldn't find a moon walk thread here because it was everybody fighting. But I have questions. Maybe Jack White could answer. First Moon Walk How did we get through the Van Allen Radiation Belts? Why is it that when the astronauts were on the moon there was gravity. On youtube.com you can see them jumping, not "flying." Often we were shown how lack of gravity made the astronauts in their capsule float freely in the air. Why didn't we see this on the first moon walk? Also, if there's no gravity, how could they stay on the moon? Wouldn't they fly off into space? And the rocket too? Thank You, Kathy C There is gravity on the moon, about one-sixth that of earth. The astronots are seen jumping because they were suspended by wires and filmed in slo-mo in a studio on earth. No Apollo missions are likely to have reached the moon. No astronots were exposed to VanAllen radiation because they never left low earth orbit. Jack This, from the guy who once asked how the "astronots" could have carried the Lunar Rover down the steps of the LEM. Too funny. Todd is resorting to fiction again. Officially, the rovers were stowed outside the LMs, just to port of the descent ladder. But there are NO PHOTOS showing this. If I ever said anything about carrying a LM down the ladder, I may have been trying to make a joke...since no believable photos exist of the "stowed" LM. Jack No Jack, it is you who is resorting to fiction. You raised the question, in all seriousness, back on the Della Rosa forum several years back. Somewhere in my files I have a print out of it. I replied and explained it to you and you had nothing to say. And there are PLENTY of photos showing the rover stowed there and being deployed on the moon. Pitiful. OK. I call your bluff. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. I have examined EVERY photo alleged to be shot on the moon. There is not a single photo among the 5771 such as Todd alleges. Pitiful. Jack All, Jack claims, “There is not a single photo such as Todd alleges.” Jack has absolutely no clue as to what he is talking about. This site … http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html …contains numerous photos of the LRV being fit checked for stowage on the LEM, loading and stowage photos, and even a closeout photo of the LRV packed in the LM. This site… http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15.html …contains numerous video clips of film showing the LRV being deployed. There are no still photos of the deployment as it was a two man job. Todd There are no still photos of the deployment as it was a two man job. This is laughable! It is possible (and was done many times) for one of the actors to PAUSE and take a photo of the OTHER actor doing something. It was a one man job to lower the lanyard to unfold the LRV pallet. It was a one man job to take a photo of the LRV BEFORE AND AFTER LOWERING. The LRV had to be unfolded and assembled, and many parts added. There is no reason for this not being photographed. Both guys had cameras, and could pause at any time to shoot pictures, but did not shoot even one. Also they had a remote camera which could take photos of any action and include both actors in the scene. Todd is WAY OUT OF HIS ELEMENT HERE and ought to tuck his tail and run. Jack Why isn't the video acceptable Jack? Please post any still photos showing BOTH astronauts on the MOON from LRV missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Is it just me, or does any time he's challenged on something, Mr. White's reply is a variant of a 5year-old's "NO YOU!"? I agree with Jack, it just you! He has always beens very good about admitting error when shown to wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Correct. IT IS JUST YOU. All I have done is ask for photos showing the rover attached to the LM, being lowered, being assembled, being outfitted...anything. Burton continues to stonewall...BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SUCH PHOTOS. What are YOUR QUALIFICATIONS in this discussion? How are you qualified to insult me as infantile? I question YOUR motives. Put up or shut up. Jack http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1201156.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1201444.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1201727.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1201848.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1202201.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1202507.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1202859.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1203133.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1203351.mpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 All he has to do is produce a photo of ANY LRV ON ANY APOLLO MISSION WHICH IS ATTACHED IN POSITION ON THE OUTSIDE OF A LUNAR MODULE... Apollo 15 - Image KSC-71PC-415 Apollo 16 - AS16-118-18894 Crop of AS16-118-11894HR Crop of AS17-151-23201HR Crop of AS17-151-23204HR I cannot locate such photos from any of the three missions. I must have missed them. Please give me the file numbers so I can look at them. When I see them, I will admit being mistaken. Jack Yeah, sure you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. on the MOON Jack, I posted links to photos showing the rover in it's stowed position. Did you look at them? I posted inks to film of the rover being deployed. Did you watch it? Todd Houston is in Texas, NOT ON THE MOON. The photos have no proven provenance, and even could have been shot recently, since the text indicates they were discovered recently. Jack Jack, I ask again: I posted links to film of the rover being deployed ON THE MOON! Did you watch it? Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Knight Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Is it just me, or does any time he's challenged on something, Mr. White's reply is a variant of a 5year-old's "NO YOU!"? Correct. IT IS JUST YOU. All I have done is ask for photos showing the rover attached to the LM, being lowered, being assembled, being outfitted...anything. Burton continues to stonewall...BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SUCH PHOTOS. What are YOUR QUALIFICATIONS in this discussion? How are you qualified to insult me as infantile? I question YOUR motives. Put up or shut up. Jack So anybody previously asking the same of you in the past, but were ignored, are....? Held to differing standards than you? What makes you so all-blasted holy that we do as you say, but not as you do? That went out at age 8 here, with the parents. [PROTIP: There's still TWO open questions I alone, let alone the many others in this section of the forum, fielded to you in another similar topic....months later, and STILL no response.] My qualifications are probably the exact same as yours. Nothing professional, but an "interest" in the subject. However, dare I say, I don't run around making baseless, unprovable, inaccurate statements, then ignore all evidence to the contrary. My motives are to get to the truth, and the vast body of real evidence supports the contention that 12 men landed on the moon, did what was asked of them, and more, and returned safely. Quacks, fruit-loops and nut-jobs and their faked propaganda aside, there's damned little to make me question the science and skills behind this monumental achievement, and what I don't understand is soon explained by querying relevantly qualified people. Not reading a few lines on some so-called "truth" website. I'm lucky there's a world-class astronomy and engineering university just the other side of the city centre from me. They're more than accommodating in explaining and verifying principles in the subject. Maybe being in Texas, and their propensity to throw out actual science-related materials in schools to favour religious creationism removes that option from you... You should consider moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 And Jack fails to honour his commitment - who would have seen that coming? Oh yes, that's right - I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Daman Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 http://www.hq.nasa.g...15v.1201156.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.g...15v.1201444.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.g...15v.1201727.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.g...15v.1201848.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.g...15v.1202201.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.g...15v.1202507.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.g...15v.1202859.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.g...15v.1203133.mpg http://www.hq.nasa.g...15v.1203351.mpg All from one Apollo 15 video that could have been taken on the A15 moonset.. and still NO still Hassie photos of any astronaut, from any mission, unloading or assembling the Rover, like Jack asked for. Apparently NASA thought it was more important to take boring pics of bootprints than anything that really mattered, like maybe setting the camera exposures to photograph the stars above the moon. Strange things to overlook, unless of course the Apollo pics weren't really taken on the Moon. Can anyone say .. The Apollo Simulation Program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. SHOW me the PLENTY OF PHOTOS of rover stowed and being deployed on the MOON. on the MOON Jack, I posted links to photos showing the rover in it's stowed position. Did you look at them? I posted inks to film of the rover being deployed. Did you watch it? Todd Houston is in Texas, NOT ON THE MOON. The photos have no proven provenance, and even could have been shot recently, since the text indicates they were discovered recently. Jack Jack, I ask again: I posted links to film of the rover being deployed ON THE MOON! Did you watch it? Todd Jack, I"ll ask yet again: I posted links to film of the rover being deployed ON THE MOON! Did you watch it? Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Todd - I seriously doubt you will get a meaningful reply, if one at all, from Jack. He has long track record of ducking out on threads where he is shown to be wrong. This won't prevent him from posting the same nonsense a couple of years later. I get the impression he simply forgets what he has previously posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Blah, blah, blah Exactly what part of "Requires two people to unload and assemble" don't you understand? And images have been provided to show the correct stowage location of the LRV, both packed and unpacked, on the ground and in space (obviously packed in space). It just demonstrates - again - that Jack fails to honour his commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Daman Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Exactly what part of "Requires two people to unload and assemble" don't you blah blah blah?] Yet several of the A15 video links that Lamson posted show only one person unloading the buggy. Which means your Apollo defending excuses are about as ridiculous as your constant attacks on Jack White. So exactly what part of Jack asked for only ONE still photo of the Rover being unloaded and assembled, during any mission while allegedly on the Moon, don't you understand? Edited March 26, 2011 by Duane Daman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Exactly what part of "Requires two people to unload and assemble" don't you blah blah blah?] Yet several of the A15 video links that Lamson posted show only one person unloading the buggy. Which means your Apollo defending excuses are about as ridiculous as your constant attacks on Jack White. So exactly what part of Jack asked for only ONE still photo of the Rover being unloaded and assembled, during any mission while allegedly on the Moon, don't you understand? Talk about 'making excuses"! Sheesh! Just for your "information" Film or video is a series of STILL photos strung together. Jack is beaten into the ground on this and is afraid to admit his GROSS error. Duane tries to come to the rescue and FAILS. I don't care WHAT you say, this is entertainment! BTW, did you notice that for most of the scenes where you only see on astronaut during the unloading that the long white lanyard used to lower the rover is being held TAUT by the astronaut off frame? Amazing how details work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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