Ed LeDoux Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Hat Badge Man -part 2 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-044410700%201305623093_thumb.jpg Many remember my foray into the Hat Badge Man and tracking down what agency used that badge in late 1963 Dallas Texas. I listed many examples that showed the badge was a popular style then. Many versions. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-012680200%201305622638_thumb.jpg The closet example of late is this: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-003153400%201305622854_thumb.jpg Entire posting of an Example can be seen here: http://cgi.ebay.com/p80-VINTAGE-DALLAS-TEXAS-POLICEMAN-PHOTO-BADGE-18-/380287420280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ae58778 Some close ups of the Example Hat Badge VINTAGE-DALLAS-TEXAS-POLICEMAN-PHOTO-BADGE-18: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-010544600%201305622980_thumb.jpg Now I believe it significant a Badged man (and woman) are walking away while everyone else is running towards the action? I still think its an area of grey that needs more attention. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-044410700%201305623093_thumb.jpg I mean is their any info on who these two were? Whom he worked for and what they witnessed? Can they be seen in any other photos or films? ? ? Thanks, Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Ed, great to see someone on this case. That's some interesting matches for sure. He can be seen wearing a long dark coat, for a few frames earler, in bell. This dark coat and white cap is particularly an interesting mix. To the extent I can, I've 'scoured' many films and photos that may id the route these two took. There may be reason to consider a police hat in nix or hughes?? in the cupola thing, inside it, during the shooting. A rapid traverse , kind of like a zig zag may explain why these two appear out of nowhere and appear to go toward the PO, : why is open to interpretation, from walklie talkies and other oddities. Great finds, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 in the cupola thing, inside it, during the shooting Where is that cupola again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I have not confirmed this, but I was told by J Harrison (now deceased) formerly of the Dallas Police Department, that "white hats" were TRAFFIC enforcement only. Now, I don't know exactly what their responsibilities would have entailed in 1963, as I'm sure those have evolved over the past nearly 50 years. FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 in the cupola thing, inside it, during the shooting Where is that cupola again? hi david...i believe he is meaning the pergola, top right hand corner, nix... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) How come nobody else needs a rain slicker? Any more views of the "pillbox" would be appreciated. Edited May 18, 2011 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 How come nobody else needs a rain slicker? Any more views of the "pillbox" would be appreciated. some police officers still had there's due to the rain early in the morning, but why he still has his on is anyones guess..i really do not know which photos in nix that he has referred to..b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 david here is a comp i found,re nix, it may have some frames you may be interested in..b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) here are a couple more frames ed..fwtaw..dave.. why not just go to robins photo gallery and check the frames out there..i really do not know which or what you would like to see..so try robin's....b http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=7 Edited May 18, 2011 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) http://www.jfkassass...ils.php?album=7 nix at robin's photos..:huh:click photos to enlarge... ......b Edited May 18, 2011 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Thanks for correction re pillbox/pergola. This was some time ago that I thought that possibly there was a white hat just behind zap (from nix pov inside shadows of box on the left of the opening.) I can't remember for sure which imagery showed something that could be a white hat. I spent quite some time looking at stills and films and came up only with suggestive stuff. Sorry, can't be more helpful at the moment > but the matching of the cap badge seems a big step forward imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the links and suggestions, Bernice. Edited May 19, 2011 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) Thanks all! Some examples show hats in the plaza are not the same. Dallas traffic had an metal band not gold piping above the visor. And no badges stand proud above the hat like HBM's does. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-011772300%201305743179_thumb.jpg http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-076293600%201305743017_thumb.jpg This shows two traffic cops with the white hats. The far left one has a rain slicker on...but its the standard light colored not dark. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-068868000%201305743037_thumb.jpg Bernice, That close-up of the pergola with what appears to be a woman holding a bag in the same manner. Thanks Edit for clarity Edited May 2, 2017 by Ed LeDoux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) A very nice example, Eagle top with crossed batons Generic 50's badge. The image: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-003153400%201305622854_thumb.jpg from ebay is a Crossing Guard from the Dallas area. Was told they often hired ex-DPD. Edited June 7, 2011 by Ed LeDoux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) Thanks Ed for your badge research, it is very interesting, have you contacted Ian Griggs about them, he has done deep research studies and a book on the police agencies within Dallas, just a thought...b Edited June 7, 2011 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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