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What happened to JFK--and why it matters today

Guest James H. Fetzer

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Bob made a videotaped statement at UCSD at my request when I first

became acquainted with him. I believe that it is included in that taping,

so if I can track down a copy, I should be able to accommodate you, Pat.

No. Bob told me (and I am sure David Mantik and others as well) that Humes had called him back

for a description of what the wound would have looked like if it HAD been an exit wound rather

than an entry. I believe what Bob told him was used as a guide in altering the throat wound.

"What happened to JFK--and why it matters today"

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An extensive, thorough and detailed explanation of what happened to

JFK, how it was covered up, who was responsible and how it changed the

course of American history. Presented on 22 November 2011, the

occasion of the 48th observance of the death of our 35th President at

the University of Wisconsin-Madison under the sponsorship of the

Sifting and Winnowing Club. The speaker, Jim Fetzer, a former Marine

Corps officer and McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of

Minnesota Duluth, has chaired or co-chaired four national conferences

on JFK and edited three books on the subject as well as giving

hundreds of interviews, including three on JFK on “Coast to Coast AM”.


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I got about half-way through last night. When discussing your friend Livingston, and the phone call he made to Dr. Humes on 11-22-63, you mentioned a separate phone call from Humes to Livingston. I don't recall hearing about this before. Did Humes call Livingston back, or did you simply mis-speak?

I thank you for your response. I don't think Bob mentions this second phone call in the relatively short letters you present in Assassination Science. If you have access to a longer unpublished statement in which this call is discussed, or a video-taped interview, your posting it on your website would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Jim.

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Guest James H. Fetzer

Brilliant, Barry! The whole set with more than 100 slides downloaded in less than a minute.

I greatly appreciate your creating this archive, which should greatly benefit future students.

Thanks to Jim Fetzer for supplying me with the PPT to accompany his talk. You can find it in the PPT folder in my archive at:


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You asked me about the origins of the Mannlicher-Carcano rifles.

Here is another study by Jack White that may help to track them.



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I think Tom or Mark might need to weigh in on this one.

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For some authors the JFK assassination is an endless monolog of fiction derailing the general population of the US off of the real issues.

Some would tell that the world is doomed to repeat history again and again, if they ignore it, and this appears to be the case for the JFK assassination's main theme. This theme is such a big deal that it is highly suppressed in most all the books and media intended to cover up this main age old issue that resulted in JFK being killed. It links to the issues of the Czar being killed, the issues of socialism in religion, and the ability of money and power to corrupt absolutely

One of the main issues that one notes in the JFK affairs, is religious differences. JFK went to Caholic Dublin, Ireland in June 1963 and snubbed the Protestant English over long standing issues for when Joe Kennedy was there, Colonization and Empire. On the same trip, JFK visited Catholic dominated Germany and snubbed Israel on Nuclear Weapons acquisitions and being Pro-Arab.

If we inspect the issues of England one soon discovers that their Royalty leadership are supposed to be from the Throne of David, and this appears to be a significant statement because that sect held the respect of the Essene and the Christians that began the Church and separated from the Evil Synagogue of Satan. However, it appears the leadership of England came from the 2nd temples ideas and the lost their directions. This also appears to be the issue for why the Catholic Irish state had long running battles with the Protestant and English allied Northern Ireland. The English so hated the Catholic Pope's religion that the English Royals were banned from marring a Catholic, and recently this was lessened to a Catholic can't be involved with the Throne. This ole religious difference baggage was certainly as issue with England and JFK.

If we look back at the Essene, those that trained Jesus, we don't see any fortress walls around their temple on Mt. Carmel, but we do find rules for pious beliefs to come to their most Holy Mountain at Mt. Carmel. The Essene, who were in Jerusalem, valued the Tomb of David and were guardians of the Tomb and the famous Upper Room for the Last Supper was over this Essene controlled area. These same Essene didn't like or have anything to do with the 2nd temples Pharisee or Sadducee and called them the Synagogue of Satan and the Harlot. This stemmed from the issues of Babylon and Nimrod's time, and how these values entered the Babylon Talmud.

The Pharisee were the rich folks of these times in Jerusalem and akin to the Royals of today and their Banker's ideals and those that support the Royalists and Bilderberg Corporation games to have Empire over, lord over, the world. The Essene were more like the Democratic theme today, where the wealth is spread around, workers are protected by Unions, everyone gets health care and so on. There are some close but not perfect analogs for these old factions verses the ones in today's world.

Jesus and the Essene didn't like the Money Changers, nor the burnt offerings because these were of the Babylon religion considered to go against the Moses teachings, which David and Solomon upheld. Thus, in the early times of England this appeared to have been important for the Royal Ancestry to be from the Throne of David and not from the later period corruption of religion by Babylon's ideals and the 2nd temples Pharisee and Sadducee. This fact appears to have been lost over the millennia, but more like covered up in today's information world.

The Essene's Pious Beliefs appear to have been discovered by the Knights Templar as they dug around the old Jerusalem area looking for the clues and they likely discovered there was a huge rift between the Pharisee/Sadducee and the Essene. The Knights Templar adopted all the old values of the Essene and wore White Tunics with a Red Cross, they didn't seek personal wealth, they were considered entirely honest, ran what amounted to banking and trading, and provided safe passage to the Holy Lands for Christians. They set up a grid of churches in these old times, and they became so worthy that the various regional Kings and the Vatican became threatened of their higher respect. So, the Church killed off the Knights Templar because their system based upon the Essene ideals, came off more powerful and more respected than their own. This need to kill off the Knights Temple finds its roots in the elements of who held and controlled the riches in the 2nd temple days.

Even the Issue of God's Chosen enters into this as the Mt. Carmel Holy Mountain appears to be the source for God's Chosen, and the corrupt church tries to tag in the corrupted Pharisee and Sadducee. God's Chosen stems from the times of Moses followers and those before the Babylon Captivity Corruption of this religion. Even in the issues for Israel, they are not supposed to be accepted in the Holy Lands until they come around to the Essene Beliefs, which is akin to accepting Jesus' Essene teachings. So, in Israel there is a general hatred of the Jesus theme and the New Testament's Revelations. Revelations speaks to the demise of these corrupt linked religion followers and a huge final war needed to set things straight.

Now, we can go back to England and their Lord Balfour Agreement with the Zionist Bankers, which was designed to divide Palestine and make a place for the Jewish. Even when we get to Hitler and the NAZI's, the Zionists and the NAZI's used to march in the same parades and Hitler liked the idea of getting the Jewish out of Germany. Hitler and Stalin both booted out the Jewish elements in their Government and banking. The Jewish Bankers in Germany ran to England and gathered up behind Churchill to make war on the Germans. Hitler, via Rudolf Hess, offered to ally with England's German Royals and Hess was locked up for life to keep that secret. The power of money and wealth to corrupt in this time was WWII. But it was a replay of the Knights Templar, and the killing of Jesus over their system of Essene religion.

JFK was with his Dad in England for a time and toured Europe and German before the war broke out. Catholics had shunned the Jewish in these times as being the Christ Killers, and the imprisonment and Holocaust was blamed on the Catholics to a large degree. We know that the Essene were highly attack by the 2nd Temple in these old times and that included getting Jesus killed by saying he was blasphemous. It gets back to this same old difference in Christ's time that entered into the issues of Hitler against the Jewish.

JFK, being Catholic in his time, brought out all these old differences, and JFK was anti-Colonization as was his mentor FDR. JFK wanted Peace and the other side wanted continual war to expand their Corporate hold on the world and its like banking hold. The JFK Democrats were more like the Essene with shared wealth, dislike of Kings and the Wars. JFK also appears to have walked right into the Armageddon problems, as did JFK's Catholic pal James Forrestal. Jim Forrestal believed the partition of Israel would bring the world into endless wars, and guess what, he appears to have been correct. Jim Forrestal also said the Arabs would push Israel into the Mediterranean. James Forrestal was murdered also, for much the same reason as JFK was murdered. JFK appears to have landed right into the middle of the old Armageddon issues with Israel, and the outcome was much the same with the Bilderberg Royals, their Pharisee mentality and riches all lined up to kill JFK as previous issues killed the Knights Templars, killed Jesus and tried to eradicate the Essene. It appears that no one learned the old history and we have again repeated it per JFK.

While JFK's Foreign Policy may have been the feared run up for Israel's Armageddon and the world may have found world peace sooner, these matters have worsened to the point of a WWIII problem and the factions aligned much as told in the Biblical New Testament's visions. Israel has stolen the term God's Chose from the Essene beliefs, and they have not fixed the issues of the Pharisee and the Zionist being the same problems which the Essene addressed long ago. So, again history will repeat and this time it is going to be much bigger and violent war, a nuclear war. Israel's games, that are about their isolationism from the rest of the world, with a big wall now have a huge Arab war brewing and it runs along the lines of Mason Albert Pike's ideas with Islam against Judaism's 2nd temple's corruption of Christianity. Now, we see the Socialist oriented Chinese and the Russians ally with Iran over these Zionist Israel induced problems of inserting long standing religion issue from the Jewish into the middle of Palestine.

When the Bible was amended via the New Testament, it was intended to preserve all the issues so that everyone could learn the subtle changes that led to this coming conflagration. But due to the corruption of Christian Evangelism to the wants of the 2nd temples coveting of riches held in the few, this old history is about to repeat and it is easily seen how these old sages of long ago could predict this coming about as the population of the Earth lead to such general closeness and the problems of this old religious corruption coming to a head.

JFK's murder was about the issues of an early Armageddon, but those same issues have festered to new higher levels these days to the point that they threaten the world.

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