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Guest Robert Morrow
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http://whitehousetapes.net/clip/lyndon-johnson-jacqueline-kennedy-lbj-and-jacqueline-kennedy

How could Jackie Kennedy talk to LBJ in a flirtatious way if she believed LBJ killed her husband 10 days later? I'd like Robert Morrow to answer too.

Kathy C

Jackie, like her boyfriend Robert Kennedy, hated and despised Lyndon Johnson. Around the time of this Jackie-LBJ conversation, Jackie and RFK were sending close friend William Walton to tell the Russians in person that the Kennedys were convinced that a high level domestic conspiracy had murdered John Kennedy.

The Kennedys at this point probably did not know exactly who the perps were but they for sure knew who their enemies were.

Compare all those tapes of Jackie talking with LBJ in 1963-1964 to the conversation of LBJ and Rose Kennedy within hours of the JFK assassination:

Rose Kennedy to LBJ: "Thank you very much. I know. I know you loved Jack, and he loved you."

Of course, that is ridiculous - the Kennedys and Lyndon Johnson hated each other with a white hot passion that had to be kept out of the public for each of the warring parties to use the Democratic party as a political platform.

Here is a quote that I pulled off the internet recently from someone who was watching live TV on 11/22/63 - probably referring to where JFK's body was going to be sent for the autopsy (Bethesda or Walter Reed):

Unkyjack remembers LBJ at the Airport on 11/22/63 in Wash DC

I remeber LBJ getting off a plane on the ABC news and a mike picked up Johnson's words, "...I don't give a damn where he goes, just get the s..o..a..b.....". I remember my Grandma putting her hands over my ears and telling me,...."don't listen to that dirty talk".......I don't know the who or why, but I've heard JFK's speech at Columbia 10 days before his assasination how "there's a cancer growing on the Presidencey of the United States and I'm going to destroy that cancer".....he was speaking about the CIA. I guess they didn't like the idea of being put out of business. They certainly ARE a cancer on our government.

http://now.msn.com/lbj-had-jfk-killed-alleges-book-by-roger-stone

Edited by Robert Morrow
Guest Robert Morrow
Posted (edited)

http://whitehousetapes.net/clip/lyndon-johnson-jacqueline-kennedy-lbj-and-jacqueline-kennedy

How could Jackie Kennedy talk to LBJ in a flirtatious way if she believed LBJ killed her husband 10 days later? I'd like Robert Morrow to answer too.

Kathy C

Jackie, like her boyfriend Robert Kennedy, .......

And again. Why do you post this? http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18648&p=275048

Scully, David Heymann and his book "Bobby and Jackie: A Love Story" convinced me that Robert Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy had a hot and heavy sexual romance post JFK assassination. For me, this is easy to believe because of two factors: 1) how rampantly and obnoxiously adulterous John Kennedy was 2) the fact that Robert Kennedy was "always there" for Jackie. After all, when Jackie had an miscarriage early in her marriage to JFK in the 1950's, it was RFK who was at the hospital by her side, while that cad Sen. John Kennedy was cavorting on a ship in the Mediterrean with his good friend Sen. George Smathers and a couple of beauties.

http://www.amazon.com/Bobby-Jackie-A-Love-Story/dp/B004JZWMFS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370496324&sr=8-1&keywords=david+heymann+bobbie+and+jackie

Even if only 1/5 of Heymann's book is true, then they were indeed having an affair.

I do think the RFK-Jackie Kennedy relationship was quite important; those were the 2 people who publicly went along with the cover up of the JFK assassination when they knew it was fraudulent.

Additionally, I know a JFK researcher (can't reveal) whose family knew John Kennedy personally and he told me RFK and Jackie were having an affair; he also speculated that he it may have even pre-dated the JFK assassination.

Edited by Robert Morrow
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Just listened to it. Just think how sick Lyin was. Masterminded her husband's death, and then can't wait to sleep with his wife. Like a stray animal. I think Lyin's grandmother was right.

Read Power Beyond Reason: The Mental Collapse of Lyndon Johnson by D. Jablow Hershman, and it is all too clear.

As for Jackie, she was reaching out to anyone for comfort at the time. I hope no one ever gets to that point in their lives. A week before she was holding her husband's brains in her hand after his head exploded in front of her. I think she earns a pass on the "flirt" chart.

Posted (edited)

http://whitehousetapes.net/clip/lyndon-johnson-jacqueline-kennedy-lbj-and-jacqueline-kennedy

How could Jackie Kennedy talk to LBJ in a flirtatious way if she believed LBJ killed her husband 10 days later? I'd like Robert Morrow to answer too.

Kathy C

I think you have hit upon a very telling point. It is my thinking that LBJ deliberately terrorized Jackie after the assassination by forcing her to stand with him at his 'photo-op' for the swearing in onboard AF1. He even had Lady Bird inform Jackie that she could change her clothes and put on the nice white dress Jackie had worn in San Antonio. But Jackie refused, saying she wanted them to see 'what they had done.' Anything else Jackie did or said in regards to LBJ after that must be viewed in the context of her brave outrageous act. Now we all associate the bloody pink suit with LBJ's swearing in.

This is a good example of how the murder of JFK was done in broad daylight and right before our eyes; we just need to know how to look at it.

Edited by Pamela Brown
Posted (edited)

Not to nag, but where was RFK on the day and time of that phone call? Would Jackie call LBJ without a clearance from the Kennedys?

My feeling, listening to that tape, is that Jackie's playing to Lyndon's vanities, for some purpose - info gathering, the buying of time, other reasons.

It's hard to believe that she made that call independently, or privately. There's a purpose to that call. She would know it was being recorded. Was it recorded at the Kennedy end also?

I doubt very much that either the gratitude or the seductiveness are genuine - and I'm not being sentimental here.

What's the alternative explanation - that she was looking for the ultimate sugar daddy, along the lines of Gianni Agnelli or Onassis? Her motives were different in those cases, I offer.

Edited by David Andrews
Posted

I've searched a bit and there are a few sites that have this recording

That does not sound like Jackie to me... the accent on specific words is simply not right... especially if you listen to her other recordings

yet I do not find where this call was even considered a fraud... has this call been authenticated as really her?

Another "pillow talk" sounding call...

from 1964 but you can barely hear her...

And more from the Schlesinger interviews...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcQgt9MhpPk

Maybe the others are right and she is playing him as she always played him.... it just doesn't ring true to me...

DJ

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