Scott Tame Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 O'Connor was either right with the time he saw the body removed, or right about what the body was wrapped in. As the wrappings do not agree with Humes but do agree with Edward Reed, who said when he saw the body it the body was wrapped in plastic, rather than Parkland sheets, (see http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/medical_testimony/pdf/Reed_10-21-97.pdf page 28) then it would appear that he was right about the wrapping and not the time. He also says that the personnel who brought the casket in lifted the body out of the casket, which again is not what Humes said. Either he was mistaken or there was a lot of shenanigans going on before the official autopsy. He could be wrong on both accounts, Ray. This isn't necessarily an either or proposition. I personnally take anything O"Connor says with a grain a salt. He's also claimed that there was no brain with the body and the throat wound looked like a blown out mess. The decoy ambulance story is interesting, but, even if true, they've yet to prove JFK was in it. And No one has yet to explain how they got the ambulance away from Gen. McHugh at the front of the hospital and back again without him noticing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I don't put much stock in the Israel story, Ray. No one else reports him as being there. And his claim that everyone is told to leave but he is allowed to stay is a bit much. You forget the attitude towards black people in the fifities and sixties. they were considered to be non persons who were virtually invisible. I would be interested to know why Israel told the story if it wasn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) O'Connor was either right with the time he saw the body removed, or right about what the body was wrapped in. As the wrappings do not agree with Humes but do agree with Edward Reed, who said when he saw the body it the body was wrapped in plastic, rather than Parkland sheets, (see http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/medical_testimony/pdf/Reed_10-21-97.pdf page 28) then it would appear that he was right about the wrapping and not the time. He also says that the personnel who brought the casket in lifted the body out of the casket, which again is not what Humes said. Either he was mistaken or there was a lot of shenanigans going on before the official autopsy. He could be wrong on both accounts, Ray. This isn't necessarily an either or proposition. I personnally take anything O"Connor says with a grain a salt. He's also claimed that there was no brain with the body and the throat wound looked like a blown out mess. The decoy ambulance story is interesting, but, even if true, they've yet to prove JFK was in it. And No one has yet to explain how they got the ambulance away from Gen. McHugh at the front of the hospital and back again without him noticing. Maybe McHugh was in on the switch.(http://www.manuscriptservice.com/McHugh/) Edited February 27, 2014 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Tame Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Here's another one, Ray. This guy claims that the body arrived by helicopter, was on a gurney cover by a sheet, and was placed in a grey ambulance. And to top it off he claims Jackie was on the helo too. http://ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/the-arrival-of-jfks-body-at-bethesda-naval-hospital-what-i-saw/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Here's another one, Ray. This guy claims that the body arrived by helicopter, was on a gurney cover by a sheet, and was placed in a grey ambulance. And to top it off he claims Jackie was on the helo too. http://ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/the-arrival-of-jfks-body-at-bethesda-naval-hospital-what-i-saw/ I'm only concerned with people who were at the autopsy. You could probably find a lot of contributors like that. For example, Sibert said that there wasn't a casket team to welcome the casket when it arrived, yet we have testimony which proves otherwise, and he was there, but not necessarily at the same time. There are too many anomalies in the various stories, especially regarding nothing happening before 8 p.m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Tame Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Y'know Scott... there appears to be a HUGE section of research that you are simply not aware of and have not made any effort to familarize yourself with it... WHERE Sibert and O'Neill actually were and when... appears to be something that eludes you... Oooops! you mean they were NOT in the room between 6:40 and 8pm when xrays and photos of JFK were taken? or are they talking about xrays AFTER 8pm ??? They were NOT let into the morgue when they dropped off the empty casket... in the ante-room... They did NOT see the unwrapping of the body from a metal shipping casket but the unwrapping just after 8pm after the body was brought in yet again.. this time in the Parkland casket. I recall there was Kellerman and Greer - who was the driver - O’Neill and myself And there were some others. There had to be. And I don’t know who assisted in that, but we carried it through the door and right on into the autopsy room and set it on the floor there before it was opened. Q: The floor of the autopsy room, or the floor of the ward, generally? A: Well, it was sort of a anteroom there. I think With all his hand waving and shouting Mr. Joseph's want's you to believe that Siebert and O'Neill drop the casket on the floor of the ante room then immediately leave before the casket is opened. He then tries to back up that claim with the above quote. What Mr. Joseph's doesn't tell you is that on the same page of Mr. Siebert's testimony he takes the above quote from is the following exchange: Q: Did you stay with the casket from the time that you unloaded it from the ambulance until it was opened, or was it out of your sight at any time? A: I was there until it was opened. Later is this exchange: Q: Although, I'm using the term loosely, But you were - I mean, from what I understand you were saying - that you were with the casket, at least from the time it was unloaded from the Navy ambulance until the body was lifted out of that same casket - and put on the autopsy table. A: Yes. Q: And when the body was unwrapped, were you able to identify the body as that of President Kennedy? A: Oh, there was no doubt. Agent O'Neill also states in his ARRB testimony that he was present from the time the casket was unloaded until the body was removed and the head was unwrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Scott, there is the possibility that what they said to the ARRB was a CYA situation. If they had have left the casket in the ante room after being told to ensure that they do not ever let JFK's body out of their sight, then they would have been in deep trouble if they admitted same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Tame Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Ray, you are free to believe whatever you want to believe. I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is people who try to pass off their beliefs and theories as fact. Loudly proclaiming that this or that did not happen does not make it a fact. Whether or not you want to believe that Siebert and O'Neill saw the body removed from the casket, you are still left with the fact that they describe the head wound in the same area as the Parkland witnesses. Edited March 8, 2014 by Scott Tame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Here's another one, Ray. This guy claims that the body arrived by helicopter, was on a gurney cover by a sheet, and was placed in a grey ambulance. And to top it off he claims Jackie was on the helo too. http://ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/the-arrival-of-jfks-body-at-bethesda-naval-hospital-what-i-saw/ Just as matter of interest, Scott. he doesn't claim Jackie was on the helicopter. "My mom and dad remember seeing Jackie Kennedy there too — still wearing her blood stained dress — but I don’t remember seeing her." Maybe what he says he saw, happened. Edited March 8, 2014 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Tame Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Would you PLEASE post an image of AUTOPSY EVIDENCE that supports an occipital only blow-out - which is what, to a person, each of the wintesses claim was the only wound on JFK in DALLAS. WOW! Occipital only? Did you really expect not to get called out on that? Anybody who takes the time to read the Parkland testimonies can see that most describe the wound as occipital-parietal. There is even a temporal-parietal description. Now, who's "ignorance about the subject matter is obvious"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole. Yup... nothing gets past you Sherlock.... have you found a single photo or xray that looks like what McClellend or Sibert, or O'Neill, or anyone else other than Boswell drew? If that's what the FBI saw... why is there no evidence from that Autopsy that remotely looks like that? (You remember, the entire POINT of the discussion) While what we do have in the way of photos, xrays and autopsy report is Temporal-parietal... Wussamader Scott, Ray have enough and you got noone to play with.... pretty pathetic bringing so much attention to your insightful analysis of the medical evidence while never once actually posting an image which comes FROM the evidence to back you up... But hey, whatever allows you to show off all that research and analysis you've done.. Edited March 10, 2014 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Haven't had enough, David. I was waiting for Scott apologise for mis-stating what MacDonald had said about Jackie at Bethesda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Tame Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Haven't had enough, David. I was waiting for Scott apologise for mis-stating what MacDonald had said about Jackie at Bethesda. Are you saying MacDonalds parents are liars? Oh my! Edited March 11, 2014 by Scott Tame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Tame Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 . have you found a single photo or xray that looks like what McClellend or Sibert, or O'Neill, or anyone else other than Boswell drew? Nice to see you finally concede that the so called post 8:00 witnesses (Siebert & O'Neill) describe the same wound as Parkland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 . have you found a single photo or xray that looks like what McClellend or Sibert, or O'Neill, or anyone else other than Boswell drew? Nice to see you finally concede that the so called post 8:00 witnesses (Siebert & O'Neill) describe the same wound as Parkland. You are a moron... post an official autopsy photo/xray of the hole in the back of his head... as described by most everyone prior to Boswell.... That you can't figure out the context of the FBI's report and what Hoover was doing to his men and the USA is painfully obvious... Talking to you Scott is like discussing it with a 5 year old. Actually, I know 5 year olds who you can't hold a candle to... please go back to sleep or to whatever it is you do when not trolling on this forum... ============ Ray, he's all yours... but try to remember You can't fix stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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