TSBD Employee "Sandra Styles" Butler

[Robin Unger]

Frames from America Declassified

[Robin Unger]

TSBD Employee "Vicky Adams"

[Robert Howard]

Wow, this is great Robin. I can't speak for anyone else, but you guys from Down Under rock! Viewing these photos

makes me think of all the people of Dallas, I've spoken to over the years.

I believe it is one of those things right out of Ripley's Believe It or Not, that while Dallas has its

negative association with the assassination, I would be hard pressed, to recall a single person

in Dallas that bought into the official version of how JFK was killed. There are many many people

in Dallas, who, myself included, look at that day as one of, if not the greatest tragedy of our time.

Whether, we realize it or not, this website and all who make a contribution to discovering the

truth about that day, are just as much patriots as anyone else in American history.

[Robin Unger]

Thanks Robert

Edited April 18, 2014 by Robin Unger

[Robin Unger]

JFK THE MOVIE ( Sandra Styles and Vicky Adams ) supposedly on the stairs with Oswald


Not according to Sandra Styles ?

Sandra Styles video ( it may take a little while to load )

http://www.travelcha...ination-witness

Edited April 18, 2014 by Robin Unger

[Robert Prudhomme]

LOL oh that picture is hilarious!

"Excuse me, girls, in a bit of a hurry here. Just shot the Prez and the building will be crawling with cops shortly. Mind if I pass by?"

[Robin Unger]

Mr. BELIN - Where were you when the motorcade passed?
Miss ADAMS - I was at the----
Mr. BELIN - Were you inside or outside the building?
Miss ADAMS - I was inside the building.
Mr. BELIN - What floor?
Miss ADAMS - Fourth floor.
Mr. BELIN - Did you watch the motorcade through a window?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN - From the east side, were you standing in the third pair, of either of those windows?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Now, of that third pair, from the east side, would it have been the east window or the west window?
Miss ADAMS - The west window.
Mr. BELIN - So another way, if you don't count in pairs, but count in single units from the east side, you would have been in the sixth window from your left as you were facing out the window, is that correct?
Miss ADAMS - That's right.

Mr. BELIN - Were you standing with anyone
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - With whom?
Miss ADAMS - I was standing with Sandra Styles, Elsie Dorman, and Dorothy May Garner.

Mr. BELIN - Will you state what you saw, what you did, and what you heard?
Miss ADAMS - I watched the motorcade come down Main, as it turned from Main onto Houston, and watched it proceed around the corner on Elm, and apparently somebody in the crowd called to the late President, because he and his wife both turned abruptly and faced the building, so we had a very good view of both of them.
Mr. BELIN - Where was their car as you got .this good view, had it come directly opposite your window? Had it come to that point on Elm, or not, if you can remember
Miss ADAMS - I believe it was prior, just a second or so prior to that.
Mr. BELIN - All right.

Miss ADAMS - And from our vantage point we were able to see what the President's wife was wearing, the roses in the car, and things that would attract men's attention. Then we heard---then we were obstructed from the view.
Mr. BELIN - By what?
Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.
It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above. Possibly because of the report. And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.

Mr. BELIN - When you say on the way out to the Houston Street dock, you mean now you were on the way out?
Miss ADAMS - While I was on the way out.
Mr. BELIN - Was anyone going along with you?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir; Sandra Styles.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/adams_v.htm

James Powell Crop

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Edited April 20, 2014 by Robin Unger

[Gene Kelly]

Robin:

Great post, and fundamentally revealing testimony... Shelley and Lovelady (no Oswald). Intriguing.

Gene

[Ray Mitcham]

Robin, didn't Vicky Adams later deny that she said that she saw Shelley and Lovelady?

Lovelady said this in his testimony.

Mr BALL -Shelley and you went down how far?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I would say a good 75, between 75 to 100 yards to the first tracks. See how those tracks goes---
Mr. BALL - You went down the dead end on Elm?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And down to the first tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did you see anything there?
Mr. LOVELADY - No, sir; well, just people running.
Mr. BALL - That's all?
Mr. LOVELADY - And hollerin.
Mr. BALL - How did you happen to go down there?
Mr. LOVELADY - I don't know, because everybody was running from that way and naturally, I guess---
Mr. BALL - They were running from that way or toward that way?
Mr. LOVELADY - Toward that way; everybody thought it was coming from that direction.
Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.
Mr. BALL - How many steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Twenty, 25.
Mr. BALL - Steps away and you looked back and saw him enter the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building.
Mr. BALL - And enter from the rear?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.

How could they have done all that and got back to the rear of the TSBD before Vicky Adams came down the stairs?

Edited April 21, 2014 by Ray Mitcham

[Robin Unger]

Ray

I read this as Lovelady entering the rear of the TSBD approx two minutes after he and Shelley left the doorway steps.

quote:

Mr. BALL - Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building.
Mr. BALL - And enter from the rear?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.

And i read Adams statement as saying that she and Styles had passed Lovelady and Shelley, who may have just entered the TSBD through the Houston st dock, as Adams and Styles were exiting through the Houston st dock.

Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.
It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above. Possibly because of the report. And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Robin Unger

[Ray Mitcham]

Ray

I read this as Lovelady entering the rear of the TSBD approx two minutes after he and Shelley left the doorway steps.

quote:

Mr. BALL - Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks?

Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half.

Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?

Mr. LOVELADY - Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building.

Mr. BALL - And enter from the rear?

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.

And i read Adams statement as saying that she and Styles had passed Lovelady and Shelley, who may have just entered the TSBD through the Houston st dock, as Adams and Styles were exiting through the Houston st dock.

Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.

It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above. Possibly because of the report. And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.

She denied ever saying she saw Lovelady and Shelley. I know it was in her W.C. testimony, but she still denied seeing them.

[Robert Prudhomme]

I think you should have another look at Shelley's testimony to the WC, Robin. According to his testimony, they were on the front steps of the TSBD 3 or 4 minutes before Gloria Calvery returned with the news that JFK had been shot. They then walked out to the island between the two Elm Streets and stayed there a minute or two. That's 4-6 minutes so far. Then they WALKED down to the railroad yards (45 seconds for 100 yards? not unreasonable) and stayed there for a minute and a half. That makes just over 6-8 minutes so far. Then, they walked back to the freight entrance at the west rear of the TSBD and entered the building, maybe another 45 seconds.

Tell me how you get 2 minutes out of that.

[Robin Unger]

I think you should have another look at Shelley's testimony to the WC, Robin. According to his testimony, they were on the front steps of the TSBD 3 or 4 minutes before Gloria Calvery returned with the news that JFK had been shot. They then walked out to the island between the two Elm Streets and stayed there a minute or two. That's 4-6 minutes so far. Then they WALKED down to the railroad yards (45 seconds for 100 yards? not unreasonable) and stayed there for a minute and a half. That makes just over 6-8 minutes so far. Then, they walked back to the freight entrance at the west rear of the TSBD and entered the building, maybe another 45 seconds.

Tell me how you get 2 minutes out of that.

Thanks Robert.

I need to go back and re-read ALL the witness testimony which involves Lovelady and Shelley's movements.

any assistance regarding there movements and Timelines is appreciated

[Robert Prudhomme]

I think you will quickly find that someone, be his name Truly, Baker, Lovelady or Shelley, was lying through his teeth. All of the times are so badly off, you'd think they all attended different assassinations.

[Robin Unger]

I think you will quickly find that someone, be his name Truly, Baker, Lovelady or Shelley, was lying through his teeth. All of the times are so badly off, you'd think they all attended different assassinations.

Ed Forum related thread.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20354&page=66

Edited April 23, 2014 by Robin Unger