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Straus, Donald, B Cousin to Roger Straus, Jr. Kept a holiday house on Naushon Island. This island was owned by the Forbes strand of the Paine family. Ruth and Mike had a holiday home there. Ruth Paine in fact, visited the island just prior to picking Marina Oswald up from New Orleans. Donald managed to somehow make it onto Nixon's enemies list.

Straus, Isidor and Nathan Brothers of Oscar. Co-owned Macy's Department and Abraham and Straus Department Store in NYC. The latter employed Albertina White, wife of George Hunter White. Albertina frequented a nearby department store which at the time, employed Marguerite Oswald

Straus, Nathan III, Grandson of of Nathan. Involved with 'American Friends of a Free Haiti' with Leo Cherne in early 1970s. Cherne headed the CIA front, 'International Rescue Committee' which assisted Oswald's return from the SU.

Straus, Oscar Brother-in-law to Fred Lavanburg. First Jewish cabinet member in U.S history

Straus, Roger Son of Oscar Straus and nephew of Fred Lavanburg. Was President of the Lavanburg Foundation which built and funded Youth House

Straus, Roger, Jr Son of Roger Straus. Partners in publishing company which published Howard Hunt’s books. Also recommended Hunt for “government work”

The Lavanburg Foundation Built and funded the Lavanburg Home for Working Girls and continued the funding for decades until it was taken over by the city. In the 1940s, a separate accommodation was built for girls, and this building became Youth House for boys. The foundation also built and managed accommodation for poor immigrants including apartments in Goerick St in the heart of Brooklyn's slums. It was here that the Rosenberg's lived when Julius began civilian employment with the Army Signal Corp. In fact, it had been the building manager, employed by the Lavanburg Foundation, which had given Julius a glowing reference for his security clearance.

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Of the thousands of books written on this case, only one has delivered the above information... a little book self-published in the Australian bush called Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War. The above is only the beginning. There is a lot more to come...

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Of the thousands of books written on this case, only one has delivered the above information... a little book self-published in the Australian bush called Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War. The above is only the beginning. There is a lot more to come...

And like Lee Harvey Oswald himself none of it will have anything at all to do with the JFK's murder?

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And like Lee Harvey Oswald himself none of it will have anything at all to do with the JFK's murder? // Varnell

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  1. Please let me note 2 things of importance IMHO > Bell Helicopter was controlled by the CABOT family.(Cabot's First National Bank of Boston controlled Textron and by 63 Textron controlled Bell Helicopter. Bell Helicopter/Textron wanted increased Helicopter warfare (Vietnam WAR)(Lobbied Pentagon 1958 for such) Michael Paine is a Cabot on both sides of his family.

and Michael's Uncle sat on the board of United Fruit and which from the 1920s worked with ONI. (see bottom)

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......Forbes family

In the United States, the Forbes family of China and Boston, of which John Forbes Kerry and John Murray Forbes are members, amassed a huge fortune in the China trade dealing in opium to the wealthier Chinese during the Opium Wars and engaging in other merchant banking, trading, and railroad investment projects around the world. Their ties to the opium trade (from Turkey, Ottoman Empire, Iraq, Iran and Afganistan) were so great, the Forbes family became known in China during the Opium War in the 19th century as the 'Opium Dynasty' or 'Poppy Dynasty' and also by a poetic turn of phrase: 'The House of Forbes - Rests on Water - Dreams of Opium'.

Born in France, John Murray Forbes entered the China trade at the behest of his Perkins uncles, and was mentored by the Chinese merchant Houqua who considered Forbes to be like a son. Following John Murray Forbes into China were several brothers and cousins, including Francis Blackwell Forbes, the great grandfather of John Forbes Kerry. The Forbes family lived and traded in China at first due to a family connection with the Perkins family. Later, some of the Forbes family sold their China trading interests to the Russell and Company, later associated with Yale's development and endowment.

Several of the Forbes family cashed out of their dealings in China after the Opium War, and reinvested in Europe and America. Some of the population growth of Chicago and Midwestern Plains states in the middle to late 19th century was due to John Murray Forbes' railroad projects in Michigan and Chicago. In 1879, William Forbes, son of John Murray Forbes, risked the fortune to financially back Alexander Graham Bell's telephone company, and become president of the company, a risk which paid off. Cameron Forbes used his wealth to become Governor General of the Philippines. His niece Ruth Forbes Paine Young tapped her Forbes family inheritance to finance the International Peace Academy. Her husband invented the Bell Helicopter used in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. In a small way, Ruth Forbes Paine Young's son, Michael R. Paine, and his wife Ruth Paine, tapped their family wealth as a benefactor to Lee Harvey Oswald, whose wife Maria Oswald lived in their house as a family friend, and whose rifle was stored in the Paine's family garage. Many Forbes family members purchased estates in France and Massachusetts, and generally remain influential there, in local or national politics. John Forbes Kerry is a U.S. Senator and currently a candidate for President of the U.S. Though he is a beneficiary of several Forbes family trusts (c. 2002), Kerry has not worked in the private sector for Forbes family business interests and has devoted his life to a career in public service.

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Secret Societies of America's Elite: From the Knights ...

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1594778671

Steven Sora - 2003 - History

(Mother Michael Paine ) .Ruth Forbes Paine's brother,William Forbes, was on the board of United Fruit.

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And like Lee Harvey Oswald himself none of it will have anything at all to do with the JFK's murder? // Varnell

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  1. Please let me note 4 things of importance IMHO > Bell Helicopter was controlled by the CABOT family.(Cabot's First National Bank of Boston controlled Textron and by 63 Textron controlled Bell Helicopter. Bell Helicopter/Textron wanted increased Helicopter warfare (Vietnam WAR)(Lobbied Pentagon 1958 for such) Michael Paine is a Cabot on both sides of his family.

and Michael's Uncle sat on the board of United Fruit and which from the 1920s worked with ONI. (see bottom)

3. Mary Bancroft was the mistress of Allen Dulles from WWII and during the JFK era. Mary Bancrofts childhood friend was Ruth Paine.

4. Dulles and the Cabots worked together on intelligence matters and when said issues were part of their own personal agenda.

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Although Dulles was married, he had multiple affairs throughout his life.
One of his lengthier dalliances was with Mary Bancroft. He met her in
Switzerland and brought her into the OSS. (Mosley, pgs 170-71) Mary Bancroft
admitted that she was friends from an early age with Ruth Forbes Paine.
(George Michael Evica, A Certain Arrogance, p. 234) In fact, Mary Bancroft
and Ruth Forbes remained friends for a very long time. So when she divorced
her first husband, Ruth and her new husband Arthur Young were still friendly
with Bancroft. (ibid) Ruth Forbes was the mother of Michael Paine, and
mother-in-law to Ruth Paine. This was the Quaker couple who befriended the
Oswalds in 1963 and separated Marina from Lee after their return to Dallas
from New Orleans. After Oswald's arrest, that separation enabled Ruth to
have much control over Oswald's possessions, which were left in the Paine
garage. Some of this turned into dubious, yet incriminating evidence against
him e.g. the infamous backyard photographs.

In light of the Bancroft-Paine relationship, I have always found the
following quote by and about Dulles to be interesting and provocative:
"Dulles joked in private that the [JFK] conspiracy buffs would have had a
field day if they had known ... he had actually been in Dallas three weeks
before the murder ... that one of Mary Bancroft's childhood friends had
turned out to be a landlady for Marina Oswald ...

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CIA plot to kill JFK is based only on political bias, and not on solid evidence. That's my final word on it.

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......Forbes family

In the United States, the Forbes family of China and Boston, of which John Forbes Kerry and John Murray Forbes are members, amassed a huge fortune in the China trade dealing in opium to the wealthier Chinese during the Opium Wars and engaging in other merchant banking, trading, and railroad investment projects around the world. Their ties to the opium trade (from Turkey, Ottoman Empire, Iraq, Iran and Afganistan) were so great, the Forbes family became known in China during the Opium War in the 19th century as the 'Opium Dynasty' or 'Poppy Dynasty' and also by a poetic turn of phrase: 'The House of Forbes - Rests on Water - Dreams of Opium'.

Born in France, John Murray Forbes entered the China trade at the behest of his Perkins uncles, and was mentored by the Chinese merchant Houqua who considered Forbes to be like a son. Following John Murray Forbes into China were several brothers and cousins, including Francis Blackwell Forbes, the great grandfather of John Forbes Kerry. The Forbes family lived and traded in China at first due to a family connection with the Perkins family. Later, some of the Forbes family sold their China trading interests to the Russell and Company, later associated with Yale's development and endowment.

Several of the Forbes family cashed out of their dealings in China after the Opium War, and reinvested in Europe and America. Some of the population growth of Chicago and Midwestern Plains states in the middle to late 19th century was due to John Murray Forbes' railroad projects in Michigan and Chicago. In 1879, William Forbes, son of John Murray Forbes, risked the fortune to financially back Alexander Graham Bell's telephone company, and become president of the company, a risk which paid off. Cameron Forbes used his wealth to become Governor General of the Philippines. His niece Ruth Forbes Paine Young tapped her Forbes family inheritance to finance the International Peace Academy. Her husband invented the Bell Helicopter used in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. In a small way, Ruth Forbes Paine Young's son, Michael R. Paine, and his wife Ruth Paine, tapped their family wealth as a benefactor to Lee Harvey Oswald, whose wife Maria Oswald lived in their house as a family friend, and whose rifle was stored in the Paine's family garage. Many Forbes family members purchased estates in France and Massachusetts, and generally remain influential there, in local or national politics. John Forbes Kerry is a U.S. Senator and currently a candidate for President of the U.S. Though he is a beneficiary of several Forbes family trusts (c. 2002), Kerry has not worked in the private sector for Forbes family business interests and has devoted his life to a career in public service.

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https://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg22399.html

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Secret Societies of America's Elite: From the Knights ...

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1594778671

Steven Sora - 2003 - History

(Mother Michael Paine ) .Ruth Forbes Paine's brother,William Forbes, was on the board of United Fruit.

Edited by Steven Gaal, Today, 04:06 PM.

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Of the thousands of books written on this case, only one has delivered the above information... a little book self-published in the Australian bush called Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War. The above is only the beginning. There is a lot more to come...

And like Lee Harvey Oswald himself none of it will have anything at all to do with the JFK's murder?

I'm pretty sure the Straus family department stores sold shirts guaranteed to bunch up. You might also check them out for their large range of hemorrhoid creams.

For everyone else. As the title suggests, the volumes constitute a bio of Lee Harvey Oswald. That said, yes the straus family connections do tie into events of the weekend commencing Nov 22, 1963.

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Of the thousands of books written on this case, only one has delivered the above information... a little book self-published in the Australian bush called Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War. The above is only the beginning. There is a lot more to come...

And like Lee Harvey Oswald himself none of it will have anything at all to do with the JFK's murder?

I'm pretty sure the Straus family department stores sold shirts guaranteed to bunch up. You might also check them out for their large range of hemorrhoid creams.

For everyone else. As the title suggests, the volumes constitute a bio of Lee Harvey Oswald. That said, yes the straus family connections do tie into events of the weekend commencing Nov 22, 1963.

You endorse their hemorrhoid creams? I can see the billboards now...

Lots of events that weekend dealt with the murder of Oswald, not JFK.

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You endorse their hemorrhoid creams? I can see the billboards now...

It was a recommendation, not an endorsement, Cliff. But subtle differences can be hard to detect when you're in such discomfort.

Lots of events that weekend dealt with the murder of Oswald, not JFK.

As above... subtle differences are hard to detect when you're in such discomfort.

Maybe reading it again might help? "the Straus family connections do tie into events of the weekend commencing Nov 22, 1963."

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You endorse their hemorrhoid creams? I can see the billboards now...

It was a recommendation, not an endorsement, Cliff. But subtle differences can be hard to detect when you're in such discomfort.

We'll have to take your word for it. That you keep going on about it indicates where your head is at.

Lots of events that weekend dealt with the murder of Oswald, not JFK.

As above... subtle differences are hard to detect when you're in such discomfort.

Maybe reading it again might help? "the Straus family connections do tie into events of the weekend commencing Nov 22, 1963."

You can always tell when people are selling snake oil about the JFK assassination-- they claim with absolute certainty to possess the "full solution" to a murder they haven't begun to investigate.

The Oswald Assassination Research Community is a hoot.

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Greg are you channeling Tom Scully (the wedding list guy)?

I don't see any weddings listed, Len.

Are you claiming that the people who started and funded Youth House and the immigrant housing of the Rosenbergs having close ties to the intelligence community with one also having a holiday home on the same VERY exclusive small island as the Paines, is necessarily meaningless and on a par with "the cousin of the miikman to the Crown family knowing the neighbor of Badgeman" type posts of Toms?

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You endorse their hemorrhoid creams? I can see the billboards now...

It was a recommendation, not an endorsement, Cliff. But subtle differences can be hard to detect when you're in such discomfort.

We'll have to take your word for it. That you keep going on about it indicates where your head is at.

Lots of events that weekend dealt with the murder of Oswald, not JFK.

As above... subtle differences are hard to detect when you're in such discomfort.

Maybe reading it again might help? "the Straus family connections do tie into events of the weekend commencing Nov 22, 1963."

You can always tell when people are selling snake oil about the JFK assassination-- they claim with absolute certainty to possess the "full solution" to a murder they haven't begun to investigate.

The Oswald Assassination Research Community is a hoot.

It sure is. People dump on books and research they know zero about all the time - especially when they fear it will make them and their own "efforts" irrelevant.

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Greg,

Your "Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War" has fascinated me since I read a review of it, a positive review, at CTKA last year.

As an aside, when I was taking ROTC in the 1960s, some of the classes -- the escape and evasion class, for example -- focused heavily on the Korean War, even though the Vietnam war was then heating up or raging. The Korean War played a major role in my indoctrination as a prospective U.S. Army officer. In the early to mid-1960s, the Korean War was alive and well in the thinking of many U.S. Army officers. In fact, the Korean War was studied to the exclusion of the Vietnam War in some of my ROTC classes. "The Manchurian Candidate" was right up my alley 1963-1970. (Yes, I know the movie was suppressed in the U.S.)

The Oswald presented to history by those who write history was a classic cold-war figure. Idealistic in an uninformed way. Uninformed because he misunderstood U.S. capitalism. Inflamed by the promise of Leninism, or Marxism, take your choice. Neurotic. Narcissistic. I can go on. The fact is, he was a real human, a real person, who had thoughts, feelings, passions, weaknesses -- like we all do.

If you can bring him to life here, please do.

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"The Manchurian Candidate" was right up my alley 1963-1970. (Yes, I know the movie was suppressed in the U.S.)

Not true.

The film was given a wide release and was shown on TV in 1965, 1966 and twice in the 1970's.

The production company made a crappy deal with United Artists, and further showings of the film would only send profits into UA's coffers, and none to the prod co that controlled it. So the producers sat on it until they could reach a more profitable deal for themselves.

Nothing mysterious whatsoever.

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It sure is. People dump on books and research they know zero about all the time - especially when they fear it will make them and their own "efforts" irrelevant.

Something about the Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind here....

Let us know when you get to the part where the boy playing Harvey Oswald from Youth House with Hungarian ancestry is used by all those connections you found to help the CIA create an untraceable spy in the name of Lee Oswald.

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