David Von Pein Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) A SHORTCUT TO BECOMING A LONE-ASSASSIN BELIEVER.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- To those JFK conspiracy theorists who seem to favor the Oliver Stone-like or Robert Groden-promoted assassination scenarios (that feature a minimum of three gunmen and anywhere from 6 to 15 gunshots being fired at President Kennedy in Dallas' Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963) -- I always suggest to them that they ought to dig up some of the originally-aired "As It Is Happening" live TV or radio broadcasts from that dark Friday in American history. After performing that exercise of watching a few hours of the November 22 television coverage of the assassination (in real time), or listening to some of the radio broadcasts in real time (which works just as well) -- I challenge anyone to then arrive at the same conclusion that was slapped up on the big theater screen in 1991 via Director Oliver Stone's blockbuster, conspiracy-laden motion picture "JFK". Watching the day's events unfold "live" in front of you (or listening to them unfold on the radio as it was happening) should, in my opinion, provide everyone with a good general idea of how utterly impossible a task it would have been to have "faked" so much stuff that was being IMMEDIATELY reported to the world on live television and radio within minutes and hours of the President's assassination (and within a very short space of time following Police Officer J.D. Tippit's murder as well). Via those original live TV/Radio broadcasts, you're not going to hear a SINGLE report that resembles anything close to the Oliver Stone/Jim Garrison-endorsed nonsense of: "Three gunmen fired six shots at President Kennedy's motorcade today here in Dallas!!" What you will hear, instead, is live coverage, as it happened, of a ONE-GUNMAN assassination taking place from where the majority of witnesses said it took place (the Texas School Book Depository Building), with no more than three shots having been fired by THE SINGLE SHOOTER, which is a shot count that over 91% of the witnesses concur with -- including the small percentage of witnesses who heard only one or two shots, who are witnesses that certainly don't do Mr. Stone's "6-shot ambush" theory any favors. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shots.htm Upon evaluating virtually ALL of the TV networks' live assassination footage from November 22nd, 1963, there is no possible way that a reasonable person could arrive at a conclusion that JFK was shot by three assassins, firing from both front and rear. Let alone arriving at an even more-cockeyed conclusion, as purported by Mr. Groden and some other CTers, which is an outlandish conspiracy-flavored scenario that has John Kennedy and John Connally being shot by way more than just the two Warren Commission-backed Mannlicher-Carcano bullets from Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle. Very nearly all of the information being reported on TV and radio that November day favored a "Lone Assassin" shooting scenario (including the info concerning the Tippit murder in Oak Cliff), with very little evidence and information to support any type of a "conspiracy" whatsoever. This is quite a telling "One Killer" fact. Because, in my view, if a vast conspiracy and subsequent "cover-up" had been in place on November 22nd (given the immense amount of TV and radio coverage, with reporters scrutinizing everything coming across their desks and digging hard for any type of case-solving clues during those first hours and days after JFK and J.D. Tippit were killed), I think that at least SOME pieces of the conspiracy would have leaked through to the sweeping television and radio coverage surrounding the two Dallas murders. And I'm guessing that every reporter and newsman in the country would have loved to dig up some "conspiracy"-oriented angle during that weekend in November of '63. Being the person who uncovered such a huge story would certainly be a feather in that reporter's cap, to be sure. But, as it turned out, nothing of that nature occurred....and has yet to occur all these many years later. To think (as many theorists do) that these conspirators were so smart and so quick to have had the capabilities to immediately eliminate virtually every last scrap of information leading to a conspiracy plot of some kind, making sure that none of the "multi-gunmen shooting event" details seeped through to the media (multiplied by TWO separate murders as well, counting Tippit's!), is to think that any such evil-doers had powers similar to "Superman". For example -- Almost every one of the initial reports concerning the number of gunshots heard by witnesses stated "3 shots". And while it's true that the very first report of the shooting from UPI's Merriman Smith (which was broadcast over all the television networks) stated "Three shots were fired...", it's also worth noting that Smith's initial bulletin was not the ONLY "three-shots" account that was reported during those early hours just after the shooting. For instance, Jay Watson of ABC affiliate WFAA-TV in Dallas (who happened to be in Dealey Plaza during the shooting and nervously reported the first bulletins to the unaware Dallas TV audience) is heard multiple times on November 22 saying he heard "3 shots" fired. Plus, several other members of the media are also on record stating their own PERSONAL beliefs that exactly three shots were fired by the assassin, including Robert MacNeil, Jack Bell, Bob Clark, Jerry Haynes, and Pierce Allman, among still others. Could these ultra-clever conspirators have somehow managed to "manipulate" several reporters who were relaying the news live to the world immediately after the event, and have them ALL report on hearing just "three shots" (or, in a few cases, hearing just TWO shots, which is a number that certainly does not favor a "Multi-Shooter Conspiracy Plot")? Or did the plotters just happen to get really, really LUCKY when virtually all of the news reports favored the "Three Shots Fired" conclusion? With this 3-shot scenario matching the precise number of bullet shells that were found on the 6th Floor of the Book Depository after the shooting; and also perfectly matching the exact number of shots heard by TSBD witness Harold Norman, and also perfectly matching the precise number of bullet shells (3) that Norman heard hitting the plywood floor directly above his 5th-Floor location within the Depository. Which, per Oliver Stone's movie, would mean that a full 50% of the ACTUAL number of gunshots were somehow inaudible to the enormous majority (91%+) of the earwitnesses! And, remember, Oliver has NONE of the shots within his movie's six-shot assassination ambush being "synchronized" in order to merge together with the sound of some of the other shots. And yet, per Mr. Stone, we're supposed to actually believe that approximately 9 out of every 10 witnesses somehow missed hearing HALF of the gunshots fired that day! A reasonable thing to believe....or not? I ask you. Were these so-called conspiratorial shooters so good that they could make 4 to 10 shots sound like only three to the vast majority of witnesses scattered all throughout Dealey Plaza? Highly doubtful, to say the least. Again....watch the live TV footage....or listen to some of the surviving 11/22/63 radio tapes....and then try to find a multi-gunmen conspiracy lurking within any of those original broadcasts. This link offers up a great "Live" example of what I'm talking about. It contains over an hour's worth of footage from Dallas radio station KLIF, beginning at 12:35 PM (Dallas time) on the afternoon of Friday, November 22, 1963. I challenge anyone to try and locate even a hint of a multi-gun conspiracy within that radio footage. Do conspiracy buffs think that all of these KLIF news reporters were "in" on some kind of massive conspiracy plot and an IMMEDIATELY-IN-PLACE "cover-up" operation too? That would be a good question for conspiracists to ask themselves as they listen to that live radio coverage. David Von Pein December 2006 June 2010 Edited June 19, 2015 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) If one jumps to 43.min 00 sec of the first video one can watch very interesting stuff. On a blackboard the Dallas WFAA-Newsmann points out nearly the correct position of the picket fence shooter...indicating JFK was shot from the front. KK PS The TSDB is not mentioned in that short sequence. Nor is it painted on that blackboard... Edited June 20, 2015 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Schmidt Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 What do you mean, David? These videos are riddled with information to suggest a conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 The early footage suggests three shots were fired, AND that more than one shooter was involved. There are just too many references to shots from the front to say otherwise. The most telling aspect, however, is this. The early footage makes it clear that the talking heads were spewing whatever they'd been told the second before, and are DESPERATELY trying to get some "official" word on what happened. Well, that says it all, IMO. They saw themselves primarily not as investigators of what happened, but reporters of what they'd been told happened. This problem was brought further into focus a few weeks later when article after article appeared in which there was no mention of Kennedy's back wound, and where the throat wound was presented as the exit of a fragment from the head shot. This was a leak from the FBI, who had simply guessed at such a thing. This set the table for the Warren Report. A series of guesses, right or wrong, were presented as the "official" findings of a government body tasked with being thorough and getting at the "truth", when this body deliberately avoided the most problematic areas of its investigation. The Fourth Estate failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) What do you mean, David? These videos are riddled with information to suggest a conspiracy. "Riddled"? I beg to differ. Some early reports mentioned the "knoll", yes. Which is understandable, since many witnesses were tricked by the sounds of Oswald's three shots from the TSBD. But note that NOBODY in the early news footage said they thought shots came from TWO different directions. jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/dealey-plaza-earwitnesses.html And there was a very early inaccurate report about "a man and a woman" possibly firing a rifle from a "walkway overlooking the underpass". (But does anyone here believe that happened?) And Jim Hagerty, as Kathy pointed out, does go on his network (ABC) and decides to put all of his common sense on hold when he utters the totally irresponsible and unfounded comment about how he thinks "this must have been a planned conspiracy". But Hagerty had no information or hard evidence that would suggest any such thing when he said those words on live TV on 11/22. He just blurted out that crap like a ninny who didn't give a damn about backing up what he was saying. It was nothing more than a completely unwarranted and blatantly irresponsible personal comment coming from one of the head men at ABC (no less). But when all of the reports are totalled up, it's fairly easy to see that the initial reports and bulletins are referring to a ONE-GUNMAN shooting that takes place from ONE single location (first thought by many to be the Knoll; but the SINGLE location was very quickly amended to the TSBD when other facts became known, such as the discovery of the shells and rifle in the building). If anyone watches any of the 11/22 first-day coverage and comes away with the sense that up to THREE gunmen were involved and that more than three shots were fired, you must be watching Oliver Stone's film instead. Because there's virtually nothing like that in the hundreds of hours of radio and TV first-day broadcasts that I have collected in the last several years. Edited June 19, 2015 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I have the KLIF radio recording from that day, but it's been quite some time since I listened to it [i start getting tired after the 5th hour....]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 What do you mean, David? These videos are riddled with information to suggest a conspiracy. "Riddled"? I beg to differ. Some early reports mentioned the "knoll", yes. Which is understandable, since many witnesses were tricked by the sounds of Oswald's three shots from the TSBD. But note that NOBODY in the early news footage said they thought shots came from TWO different directions. 'Since many witnesses were tricked by the sounds" Oh, the arrogance of the poster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 The evidence manufacturers weren't the brightest. Quote By DVP -- "There is no reasonable alternative to the Single Bullet Theory." Only in your world, David. It was "Theory" dreamt up to fit a scenario in which only three bullets were fired, one of which hit a bystander. Unfortunately you can't see that. One shot was from the front hitting the President in the right temple. Regarding where do I think the bullet went that entered from the front? Easy -- it stayed inside JFK's skull as it exploded. Oh, the arrogance of the poster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Glad to see you are keeping a collection of my postings, David. I'm flattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 You would be amazed at what they have on file, Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 You would be amazed at what they have on file, Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) I've got some "Zones" too. Great show.... dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/12/twilight-zone.html Edited June 20, 2015 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw20azpqYBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYdB3e6yQ9E Patrolman was so close his uniform was splattered with blood, says ABC's Bill Ryan (who comments on the video!) (Kathy, YOU ARE CORRECT- Jim Haggerty says this has to be a very carefully planned conspiracy- I have the video but cannot find the clip online) [taping off the tv has a decided advantage- the videos are not taken down ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNZTWuWn9JE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ8NJwq58Fg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R07O1Y71QcM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE7T2fbL-uY BONUS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT4Gy6_rt_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 The Hagerty clip is at the 1:45:50 mark in the WFAA video I posted in my thread-starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Hi Kathy, Since you liked Bill Ryan so much, you might enjoy this interview with Bill's son, Marc Ryan..... ItsAboutTV.com/2013/11/interview-with-marc-ryan Edited June 20, 2015 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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