Keyvan Shahrdar Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 That keeps ducking up and down on the follow-up car before the assassination? Who is this agent? @Vince Palamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said: That keeps ducking up and down on the follow-up car before the assassination? Unless I'm mistaken, that's not a SS Agent but David Powers and/or Ken O'Donnell... you can't see the man behind the driver - O'Donnell - too well in either image Edited October 2, 2018 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Speaking of the men in the cars.... Why isn't JFK's Aide, McHugh, where he's supposed to be? Here is an image of where McHugh usually sits superimposed over Altgens... the rear view mirrors even align.. Good thing for McHugh he wasn't in the way... huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 42 minutes ago, David Josephs said: Why isn't JFK's Aide, McHugh, where he's supposed to be? As I recall some last-minute rearrangements were made at Love Field. I don't remember if a particular SS agent was named who did the rearranging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Ron Ecker said: As I recall some last-minute rearrangements were made at Love Field. I don't remember if a particular SS agent was named who did the rearranging. Somehow I am guessing it all flows back to a Floyd Boring.... one of the earliest Vince articles I read.... As for those two rising the hump... they weren't SS agents but JFK advisers... they got the short end of the stick... Mr. SPECTER. Where were you seated in the car? Mr. O'DONNELL. I was seated in the front jump seat--the jump seat. Mr. SPECTER. On the left-hand side or the right-hand side? Mr. O'DONNELL. Left-hand side. Mr. SPECTER. And who sat on your immediate right? Mr. O'DONNELL. Mr. Powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 The image from behind the QM shows Powers, behind the driver, as a bald man... I think the listing from the report is correct... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyvan Shahrdar Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, David Josephs said: The image from behind the QM shows Powers, behind the driver, as a bald man... I think the listing from the report is correct... Yes, I would agree with you. O'Donnell was an ally of the Kennedy's. His behavior in the motorcade is odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, Keyvan Shahrdar said: His behavior in the motorcade is odd. I hope I was not giving that impression... that he would be allowed to sit in with JFK's protective unit does seem a bit weird tho. they need to be ready to react and protect the POTUS... IDK, just wanted to be sure about who was in the car... like the lead car's Lumpkin and Whitmeyer... (oh boy is that a story,,, check out Steve Thomas' "Revolt of the Colonels") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick McTague Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 12:12 PM, Keyvan Shahrdar said: That keeps ducking up and down on the follow-up car before the assassination? Who is this agent? @Vince Palamara Keyva, Why do you think he says twice "Zapruder had time to turn his film around"? A 16mm film does not need to be "turned around" by the camera operator. This is done by the development lab, who slits it into (2) 8mm sections, turns the latter section to the end of the first, to make one long 8mm film ready for the projector. He's using this as an excuse for the missing gap of film of the limo making the turn onto Elm. Thoughts? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, Rick McTague said: Why do you think he says twice "Zapruder had time to turn his film around"? A 16mm film does not need to be "turned around" by the camera operator. Yes Rick... it does... you have to reload the entire thing again... The fact he took test footage of the Hester's on Side B in Dealey negates any argument that the ELM TURN was missed due to changing the film... It appears he did not stop filming as the 2 back to back frames 132/133 prove there was no start/stop as there was after the Hester's test footage where we see the light bleed into the first few frames Not so at 133, which should have been the new frame #1. (Note: Chris Davidson helps to prove that the extent Z132 was actually z162 but was changed to sync up with Towner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick McTague Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, David Josephs said: Yes Rick... it does... you have to reload the entire thing again... The fact he took test footage of the Hester's on Side B in Dealey negates any argument that the ELM TURN was missed due to changing the film... Thanks, David. My misunderstanding that the film didn't have to be turned around. Yet, the narrator in the original video relates the motorcade section of the film as giving him time to turn the film around which you've proven happened before Mr. Z got to DP that day. Still makes me wonder what they (Hawkeyeworks / NPIC) didn't want anyone to see by removing that Elm turn section of the film.... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 27 minutes ago, Rick McTague said: Still makes me wonder what they (Hawkeyeworks / NPIC) didn't want anyone to see by removing that Elm turn section of the film.... From what I have been able to understand of the analysis Chris started me down the path upon... the reason the turn was removed Mr. TRULY. That is right.And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn. Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here. Station C becomes the dividing point... In the recreation of the film they have the limo go thru POSITION A which is in line with 2+75 but to the north. (Shaneyfelt's testimony is a must, slow-read... his explanations help to understand how and what the FBI did to hide the extra shots and to move the actual frame locations to match the abomination that is CE884) Search for the MATH RULES or other recent threads by Chris Davidson or myself related to how the calculations hide the facts. Here are some of the images from previous thread dealing with that turn, Position A's recreation, where the limo was at z133 as compared to Pos A, the disappearance of Shot #2 in CE585, the ID of Shot #2 at Z313 based on the original Robert West Surveys, and finally - the impossibility of traveling 9/10th of a foot in 3 frames while traveling at a constant 11mph... 11mph = 58080 feet per hour / 60 mins / 60 seconds / 18.3 frames per second = 88/100th of a foot per FRAME x 3 frames for a total distance of 2.65 feet... Yet another reason why CE884's 168-171 was changed to 161-166... 2 frames were added to increase the speed yet the shift in the limo's path allowed Shaneyfelt to make 171 and 166 line up the small box is from the original CE884... the replaced version has the same station locations, just 161 and 166 in place of 168 and 171. These subtle changes allowed a plethora of incriminating evidence to be hidden in plain sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 1:12 PM, Keyvan Shahrdar said: That keeps ducking up and down on the follow-up car before the assassination? Who is this agent? @Vince Palamara Sorry----JUST seeing this now (I don't check in every day). The agent in question is Glen Bennett- please see my blog on him for a whole lot more, as well as my latest book WHO'S WHO IN THE SECRET SERVICE: http://glenbennettprs.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 2:56 PM, David Josephs said: Speaking of the men in the cars.... Why isn't JFK's Aide, McHugh, where he's supposed to be? Here is an image of where McHugh usually sits superimposed over Altgens... the rear view mirrors even align.. Good thing for McHugh he wasn't in the way... huh? You're preaching to (my) choir Yes- McHugh is on record both in 1975 (Canadian radio interview) and to the HSCA that he was asked, FOR THE FIRST TIME, not to ride in the limo by the Secret Service "to accentuate full exposure." Now, to clarify--this was the first time he was ASKED not to ride there. Either he or fellow military aide Ted Clifton USUALLY rode there (about 80 percent of the time or more) but not always. The previous trip in Florida involving the longest domestic motorcade JFK ever undertook was very similar to THE longest motorcade (Berlin, June 1963): agents rode on the rear of the limo, motorcycles were in good quantity around the limo, the press photographer's flatbed truck ran in front of the limo, the military aide rode in the front seat, #1 agent Behn [Berlin] or #2 agent Boring rode in the limo, MULTI-STORY BUILDING ROOFTOPS WERE GUARDED, military and police lined the streets and faced the crowds, police intermingled in the crowds themselves, good protective intelligence, and the press bus and Dr. Burkley were both close to the limo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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