The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

[Douglas Caddy]

 

[Paul Brancato]

4 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

You sound like a very cynical old man here, Kirk. I don't think any of it was, or is set in stone. Technology is making a break from this more unlikely. FDR opted not to pursue those responsible for a potential coup against him in 1933. If Henry Wallace had been his successor we might have taken a better direction. If JFK had better understood the beast he was dealing with when he took office, he may have lived. As we understand it certainly was a very tough task, though not insurmountable. I think your pessimistic view is one that if everyone subscribed to it, they'd be doomed to it in perpetuity. For that reason we should have high ideals and strive for something better. Robert F. Kennedy in his ripples of hope speech in South Africa warned of such things like apathy, timidity and futility. It only takes about 3% for a revolution. Consent still sits with the masses.

How did Robert Welch of the John Birch Society see this coming as early as 1958.
You should all listen to this prophetic speech:

 

He goes off the deep end pretty quick, but some of it prophetic 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

He goes off the deep end pretty quick, but some of it prophetic 

Someone must have shared their vision of the future with him way back then. Obviously it makes sense that when a standard of living rises, labour costs go up, so the astute businessmen/elites of the time would have been already looking at somewhere like China to invest and source cheaper labour, as the US was near its peak. Back then, the funnelling of money to Mao was under the guise of making the globe safer, having 3 super powers instead of 2, could logically have been about securing the next fertile ground for manufacturing and the growth of assets. I wonder when that arrangement ended? There probably is some truth in the security aspect of it, I am sure it was in Carroll Quigley's "Tragedy & Hope." 


Has American sovereignty been surrendered? To international corporations? The globalists? The highest bidder? Are the IMF, World Bank, International Bank of settlements such organisations? 
That's happening isn't it?

1) They are certainly getting rid of tax payers money as wastefully as possible. 

2) High taxes - definitely happening.

3) Is the budgets balanced, despite higher taxes?

4) Wild inflation and currency fluctuation we could argue would happen inevitably. 

5) Government controls of prices, wages and materials. To what extent are they doing that? 

6) Greatly increased socialistic controls. The surveillance state? Digital money with permissions attached? Mandatory jabs?

7) Has more power been centralised, federalised? Are they practically eliminating state lines? Looks like they are eliminating international border lines, let alone state. If the technocracy plan of smart cities, with them becoming autonomous of state is to be taken seriously, it looks like the eventual dissolving of states and a nation. 

8.) Is the education system federalised? I can't answer that without google. 

9) If he'd been right about peace, JFK would be alive, he was wrong then but, is he wrong about it now, has it been delayed? If you're to maintain a warring nation whose policy is neo-colonialism and dominating the globe, then you need to propagandise the population to make them thirsty for war. It seems like the entire west has worked really hard on making their citizens ashamed of war. Those waring people are there anymore or they are reducing fast. 

10) I presume he is espousing some kind of nationalist rhetoric here. 

In conclusion I think he might have 7/10 in that initial list. I find it so sad that the people don't understand the economics or the real reasons that they have been led down the garden path. They are still just as ardently buying into government fakery today, even though it's to their detriment. It's the same in the UK, the EU, same agenda. I am certainly glad I live outside of that sphere, where we have some freedom and autonomy (still). 
 

[Benjamin Cole]

 

COURT BATTLES

Abortion battle moves to homes of Supreme Court justices ---The Hill

 

[Ron Bulman]

"Can't you just shoot them?"

Defense Secretary Esper: Trump threatened American democracy | Watch (msn.com)

[Ron Bulman]

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

 

COURT BATTLES

Abortion battle moves to homes of Supreme Court justices ---The Hill

 

Susan Collins' challenge: Call for the impeachment of Brett Kavanaugh (msn.com)

[W. Niederhut]

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

 

COURT BATTLES

Abortion battle moves to homes of Supreme Court justices ---The Hill

 

Ben,

      I, certainly, don't approve of threats against public officials-- e.g., against Dr. Fauci, Governor Whitmer, Nancy Pelosi, (on January 6th) or SCOTUS judges who lied about upholding Roe v. Wade during their Senate confirmation hearings -- but karma can sometimes be a bitch... 🤥

[Benjamin Cole]

1 minute ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ben,

      I, certainly, don't approve of threats against public officials-- e.g., against Dr. Fauci, Governor Whitmer, Nancy Pelosi, (on January 6th) or SCOTUS judges who lied about upholding Roe v. Wade during their Senate confirmation hearings -- but karma can sometimes be a bitch... 🤥

W.-

Yes, the right to peaceful protest is sacrosanct. If protestors want to peacefully protest in front of SC justice house, that is their right. 

I am not sure about the use of bullhorns, perhaps not after 10 pm, etc. Large crowds in residential neighborhoods might raise some issues. 

I think such protests are in poor taste, whether done by left-wingers or right-wingers. There is a hint of bullying in such protests. 

Also, in the future, are we again winnowing down the kind of people who will choose public service? 

Obviously, abortion is a very sensitive and emotional issue. 

Side note: The 'Phants may be seizing defeat from the jaws of victory with the re-emergence of the abortion issue.  I thought the 'Phants would score heavy gains in November...now, maybe not. 

 

[Ron Bulman]

Brent Kavanaugh never lied to/about a woman?  An attempted rapist?  Maybe he should be prosecuted and sent to prison. 

The Women Who Have Accused Brett Kavanaugh - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Edited May 10, 2022 by Ron Bulman

[Benjamin Cole]

7 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Brent Kavanaugh never lied to/about a woman?  An attempted rapist?  Maybe he should be prosecuted and sent to prison. 

The Women Who Have Accused Brett Kavanaugh - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

From that NYT story:

On Wednesday, Ms. Swetnick accused Judge Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct at parties while he was a student at Georgetown Preparatory School in the 1980s. Her allegation was conveyed in a statement posted on Twitter by her lawyer, Michael Avenatti.

Ms. Swetnick said she observed Judge Kavanaugh at parties where women were verbally abused, inappropriately touched and “gang raped.”

She said she witnessed Judge Kavanaugh participating in some of the misconduct, including lining up outside a bedroom where “numerous boys” were “waiting for their ‘turn’ with a girl inside the room.” Ms. Swetnick said she was raped at one of the parties, and she believed she had been drugged."

---30---

I guess after you see a girl being "gang-raped," the time to bring it up is 30 years later....

Ms Swetnick was raped at "one of the parties." You know, that happens, but not at every party. Just at one of the parties.

Michael Avenatti was Ms. Swetnick's lawyer and he posted her account on Twitter, from which the NYT repeated it. 

The thing of it is, Kavanaugh was the one who killed Jeff Morley's JFKA FIOA request. He is a hack GOP-establishment lawyer. 

But the NYT went after him for attending "gang-rape" parties as alleged on Twitter....you know, the important stuff. 

[Douglas Caddy]

 

 

Index: The "Supreme" Court - PREVAIL by Greg Olear (substack.com)

[Kirk Gallaway]

You bring up some good points Chris. I know Stone's "Untold History"Wallace, but politically  he wouldn't have had much support, had he become President. FDR was acknowledged as having the mettle, having navigated through the Great Depression and WW2, so he could impose his will. FDR had 10 times the power of JFK at his peak.That's why his death was so critical to history. FDR just kept dumping Vice Presidents.The system in the U.S. is not set up so anyone who becomes President becomes all powerful. When Truman became President he was just being lead around. The unique opportunity that JFK had was because in the public perception he was a liberal who still stared down the Soviets and came out on top. What people don't conceive about JFK is what the Shia's know. The power of martyrdom. JFK wasn't much of a politician, he was learning the ropes. He would kept the U.S. out of Viet Nam, which in hindsight is monumental to American history, but he wouldn't have gotten credit for that because no one would have known what a debacle Viet Nam would become.

 

I used the analogy of how this JFK dream of Russia and the U.S. finally becoming friends because it actually did happen! and 20 years later , look what happened. I was really attacking this sort of linear idea that JFK magically would have set forces in motion that would have radically changed history. Maybe the problem in this case is just a basic flaw in the 2 different countries involved. I can't say for sure.

 

As unpopular as it may be here to say. I think LBJ accomplished more Civil Rights than JFK being a North Easterner could have. He was a real politician. Others may disagree about that. Still would JFK's charisma alone stopped the bloody race riots of the 60's. To assume that you'd probably not be aware of the climate and urgency of that time. No President would have come out of the late 60's unscathed.

 

Maybe part of this is that I've lived longer, and I've seen what's changed and what hasn't.Maybe its my way of saying. There are no JFK historical freebies, there will never be a time to relax. There will always be a struggle. It's good to get at the truth. The truth should be pursued for truth's sake. Though I'm not sure we have any other choice at this point anyway. I've always loved murder mysteries anyway. But even getting to the truth now isn't going to change much. Besides the whole power structure is distributed much differently now. But in any case, you have to move forward because you can't do anything about the past anyway.

Chris, despite all your rhetoric of federalism to globalism, and creeping socialism, and your repeated showings of the John Birch founder, who does have some meaningful points to say. None of us middle class people like paying taxes. I've felt like I've paid more than I should recently too. But I'm not really hurting. And I know from what you've stated in the past, it's useless going after the super wealthy because 1)they can just find ways to avoid it. And 2) they'll just move to somewhere else where there's lower taxes. Which is definitely more true in the U.K. because they often move to the U.S. But the truth is, here you don't find many people moving overseas, because they're more in control. There is a movement that Biden is part of to get corporations to pay a minimum tax throughout the world , and a recent hold out Ireland, has started to come around on it. I'm sure such an action would make Welch turn over in his grave and decry "world socialism".

You're not so alone Chris. There are many here in the U.S. who think like you. They are waging the battle to reduce federalism and the Federal government. ( your U.S. argument about the federal government making the states almost identical is laughable, and shows you've had no experience traveling through the U.S.) They want to bring the Federal government to the relative size probably in the 50's (just as when Welch saw the government getting out of control.) and they want to privatize or eliminate most all of the government agencies. It would seem at least from your rhetoric that that would be a utopia for you. In fact now, there's a whole party that espouse your viewpoint very elegantly. It's the Republican Party. Though in fairness maybe not quite as isolationist as you. I would think you like Rand Paul in the U.S. But as I recall, he did sell out to the the Neocon hawks on one issue a few years back.

And their rhetoric is the same , government is corrupt, it just takes your money, and now they say it engineers coups of popular leaders like JFK. But it's chief aim is to provide a counterbalance narrative to protect the status quo. But there is a way to go after the super wealthy and the corporate state, and despite al the supposed bemoanings on the TV business channels of just how difficult that is. It is actually very simple. You tax  them, you see where they are avoiding and you tax them again. But what i think is the current dilemma, is the everyday person, say a guy like Ben is so overwhelmed with culture wars which are only a peripheral  smoke screen  designed  to divide and conquer, so there is not as of yet a unified idea of exactly who the perpetrators are, and what they've used to marginalize the middle classes and then adopt  a formulated plan of attack. The fact is, it could be relatively easy, because they actually need the everyday person to carry out their plan, and actually in some more enlightened cases, are cognizant of the windfall they've experienced all their lives, and won't put up that much resistance, when their representatives in government are meticulously ferreted out and exposed for who they are and who they represent.

Similarly however people have been mislead rhetorically, an example comes to mind of Glen Greenwald and his continual rantings about the Democrats and their corporate globalist donor class. and yes it's true. (But never a mention by Glenn of his once being a corporate lawyer or even the Republican donor class?)

The Democratic party actually has a marshmallow center donor class They've had 2 anti corporate candidates in Sanders and Warren that were funded largely  by smaller donations. The donor class aren't 10% of the party and near as indispensable as has been alleged.Ok it's true to say the donor class candidate won in 2020 with Biden, but part of that is because of 1)the appeal of the opposing candidates themselves and 2)the responsibility falls on the ignorance of the everyday people who in the U.S. just do not vote in his or her interest. The mass of people are simply not organized. Whether they ever will be in my lifetime is in question.

 

The fact is, you're only redress is your government, and the scummy politicians, and then hope that enough everyday people  get a basic understanding of why  and how they're being oppressed. And then they elect representatives who share their interests. That probably could only be brought about by a great leader in a time of severe crisis, like the late stage capitalism we are experiencing.

Now I've tried to identify a set of causes and proposed a way out.  Does that sound really sound "cynical" to you or does it sound like someone who believes everything is etched in stone?

 

Like the Republicans who say they are for expanded health care in the U.S. to please the masses and when push comes to shove, never do anything about it. Similarly, from you I've heard every complaint, but I have no idea of any specified solution or action from you from anything you've written. I can only surmise from your writings and influences, what they might be. .Do you want to bring the government to the size of the 50's or maybe the 30's? Do you have any idea how that would be accomplished?

 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by Kirk Gallaway

[W. Niederhut]

13 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

W.-

Yes, the right to peaceful protest is sacrosanct. If protestors want to peacefully protest in front of SC justice house, that is their right. 

I am not sure about the use of bullhorns, perhaps not after 10 pm, etc. Large crowds in residential neighborhoods might raise some issues. 

I think such protests are in poor taste, whether done by left-wingers or right-wingers. There is a hint of bullying in such protests.

Well, Ben, I agree with you about the bullhorns after 10 PM.

How do you feel about protesters who bring bear spray, flag poles, zip ties, and homemade napalm bombs to attack public officials? 🤥

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

You bring up some good points Chris. I know Stone's "Untold History"Wallace, but politically  he wouldn't have had much support, had he become President. FDR was acknowledged as having the mettle, having navigated through the Great Depression and WW2, so he could impose his will. FDR had 10 times the power of JFK at his peak.That's why his death was so critical to history. FDR just kept dumping Vice Presidents.The system in the U.S. is not set up so anyone who becomes President becomes all powerful. When Truman became President he was just being lead around. The unique opportunity that JFK had was because in the public perception he was a liberal who still stared down the Soviets and came out on top. What people don't conceive about JFK is what the Shia's know. The power of martyrdom. JFK wasn't much of a politician, he was learning the ropes. He would kept the U.S. out of Viet Nam, which in hindsight is monumental to American history, but he wouldn't have gotten credit for that because no one would have known what a debacle Viet Nam would become.

 

I used the analogy of how this JFK dream of Russia and the U.S. finally becoming friends because it actually did happen! and 20 years later , look what happened. I was really attacking this sort of linear idea that JFK magically would have set forces in motion that would have radically changed history. Maybe the problem in this case is just a basic flaw in the 2 different countries involved. I can't say for sure.

 

As unpopular as it may be here to say. I think LBJ accomplished more Civil Rights than JFK being a North easterner could have. Others may disagree about that. Still would JFK's charisma alone stopped the bloody race riots of the 60's. To assume that you'd probably not be aware of the climate and urgency of that time. No President would have come out of the late 60's unscathed.

 

Maybe part of this is that I've lived longer, and I've seen what's changed and what hasn't.Maybe its my way of saying. There are no JFK historical freebies, there will never be a time to relax. There will always be a struggle. It's good to get at the truth. The truth should be pursued for truth's sake. Though I'm not sure we have any other choice at this point anyway. I've always loved murder mysteries anyway.But even getting to the truth now isn't going to change much. Besides the whole power structure is distributed much differently now. But in any case,  you have to move forward because you can't do anything about the past anyway.

Chris, despite all your rhetoric of federalism to globalism, and creeping socialism, and your repeated showings of the John Birch founder, who does have some meaningful points to say. None of us middle class people like paying taxes. I've felt like I've paid more than I should recently too. But I'm not really hurting. And I know from what you've stated in the past, it's useless going after the super wealthy because 1)they can just find ways to avoid it. And 2) they'll just move to somewhere else where there's lower taxes. Which is definitely more true in the U.K. because they often move to the U.S. But the truth is, here you don't find many people moving overseas, because they're more in control. There is a movement that Biden is part of to get corporations to pay a minimum tax throughout the world , and a recent hold out Ireland, has started to come around on it. I'm sure such an action would make Welch turn over in his grave and decry "world socialism".

You're not so alone Chris. There are many here in the U.S. who think like you. They are waging the battle to reduce federalism and the Federal government. ( your U.S. argument about the federal government making the states almost identical is laughable, and shows you've had no experience traveling through the U.S.) They want to bring the Federal government to the relative size probably in the 50's (just as when Welch saw the government getting out of control.) and they want to privatize or eliminate most all of the government agencies. It would seem at least from your rhetoric that that would be a utopia for you. In fact now, there's a whole party that espouse your viewpoint very elegantly. It's the Republican Party. Though in fairness maybe not quite as isolationist as you. I would think you like Rand Paul in the U.S. But as I recall, he did sell out to the the Neocon hawks on one issue a few years back.

And their rhetoric is the same , government is corrupt, it just takes your money, and now they say it engineers coups of popular leaders like JFK. But it's chief aim is to provide a counterbalance narrative to protect the status quo. But there is a way to go after the super wealthy and the corporate state, and despite al the supposed bemoanings on the TV business channels of just how difficult that is. It is actually very simple. You tax  them, you see where they are avoiding and you tax them again. But what i think is the current dilemma, is the everyday person, say a guy like Ben is so overwhelmed with culture wars which are only a peripheral  smoke screen  designed  to divide and conquer, so there is not as of yet a unified idea of exactly who the perpetrators are, and what they've used to marginalize the middle classes and then adopt  a formulated plan of attack. The fact is, it could be relatively easy, because they actually need the everyday person to carry out their plan, and actually in some more enlightened cases, are cognizant of the windfall they've experienced all their lives,   and won't put up that much resistance, when their representatives in government are meticulously ferreted out and exposed for who they are and who they represent.

Similarly however people have been mislead rhetorically, an example comes to mind of Glen Greenwald and his continual rantings about the Democrats and their corporate globalist donor class. and yes it's true. (But never a mention by Glenn of his once being a corporate lawyer or even the Republican donor class?)

The Democratic party actually has a marshmallow center donor class They've had 2 anti corporate candidates in Sanders and Warren that were funded largely  by smaller donations. The donor class aren't 10% of the party and near as indispensable as has been alleged.Ok it's true to say the donor class candidate won in 2020 with Biden, but part of that is because of 1)the appeal of the opposing candidates themselves and 2)the responsibility falls on the ignorance of the everyday people who in the U.S. just do not vote in his or her interest. The mass of people are simply not organized. Whether they ever will be in my lifetime is in question.

 

The fact is, you're only redress is your government, and the scummy politicians, and then hope that enough everyday people  get a basic understanding of why  and how they're being oppressed. And then they elect representatives who share their interests. That probably could only be brought about by a great leader in a time of severe crisis, like the late stage capitalism we are experiencing.

Now I've tried to identify a set of causes and proposed a way out.  Does that sound really sound "cynical" to you or does it sound like someone who believes everything is etched in stone?

 

Like the Republicans who say they are for expanded health care in the U.S. to please the masses and when push comes to shove, never do anything about it. Similarly, from you I've heard every complaint, but I have no idea of any specified solution or action from you from anything you've written. I can only surmise from your writings and influences, what they might be. .Do you want to bring the government to the size of the 50's or maybe the 30's? Do you have any idea how you would accomplish that?

 

 

Thank you for your well considered response.
 

Just to qualify my comment about being “cynical.” What I was getting at is that you sound resigned to this just being the way of things. For me, it stops with people waking up, small changes, and rejecting the parties that are failing you. If we go through the motions of voting for one or two bad options, we perpetuate a system that isn’t serving us. We actually are accepting more of the same. Any public pushback is a withdrawal of consent. This is why government is trying to clamp down on protests, as they know that is a way for all of the public to understand public sentiment. You can’t see that on Facebook or Instagram or social media in general and certainly not on MSM. This gives the public an altered sense of reality and public opinion. In this circumstance I am an “optimist” and you are a “pessimist.” Of course I may be proved wrong by feeling whilst the task heavily stacked against the proles, it is not insurmountable. There are cracks appearing, more people are wise to corruption than 2-3 years ago. That is IMHO one of the reasons that we are seeing online safety bills and whatever Biden is calling is disinformation board (I forget the name).

41 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

( your U.S. argument about the federal government making the states almost identical is laughable, and shows you've had no experience traveling through the U.S.)

On this part; at least externally it seems like a fragmentation of the union will happen but, with breakaway states, Florida, Texas etc. Whats happening is sorting masses of people into identical thinking, which is why most of you Dems align and why most of the Reps align into tribes. 
 

The overriding purpose of the agenda that I talk about is actually to dissolve American/Western culture. That’s why everything that made America the empire of our time is being attacked and academia and media. They are succeeding in making people ashamed of their heritage. Masculine archetypes, heroes, can’t be found. Kids are leaving school without anyone to emulate or aspire to be. Thats how you break any dominant culture, make them a people that believes in nothing. We also are losing initiation ceremonies which traditionally play a role in boys becoming men. So I think what you’ll see is super (smart) cities where people gravitate toward this socialism (the greater good philosophy that consumes society) and people who spend all day glued to tech and think the latest DARPA funded rollout is making their lives easier. All of the Dem states will almost exclusively become that. The Rep strongholds where they just want to fire guns and eat red meat, will splinter away. Whether places splinter away and become weak and insignificant, or whether they join the agenda, it still serves the purpose of breaking empire and we’ll increasingly see the world join up. That seems the purpose of the last 6 decades that the US carried out in foreign policy. They broke every nation, established economic control, and now you have these super-bodies dominating internationally. At the same time as patriotism and national identity is dissipating. 
The reason I have this view; formed as you rightly point out, not through traveling America but, by chatting to Americans (work colleagues / friends / you guys included) as well as books and podcasts is because exactly the same thing is happening all over Europe. Coincidence? 
 

Do you think Chris Hedges is a million miles away from what I am saying above? Douglas Murray? 
 

I’d like you guys to believe this is happening, that this sophistry has been taking place for a long time. Not because I have some deep craving to be right. Because, it’s better for all of us if we see this coming and make a change. I don’t share much about my life with you guys, but, I’ll share a little and perhaps that will help you understand where I am coming from and why. As you know I was in India at the time of joining the forum, after that I moved to a tax haven, where I pay around 1% income tax. My total taxes don’t amount to much more than that, though I do pay my own healthcare, which is a negligible amount. Where I live, we have community, it works, nobody is getting robbed by a taxman, nobody is living on the streets, although inflation is now having an impact. Things work, people are relatively happy, we do things to help each-other. When some of you say my ideas are utopian, well, all I can say is that the place I live is pretty utopian. People don’t really ever watch the news here, lots of people do read though. I spend my time socialising usually with very educated people, many who are in this 1% that most of the world moans about, they have property all over the world, their kids attend the best schools, they are very comfortable. They all have something in common, we all do, we all see the world like this. We all understand that the USA, Britain / The EU are being pulled apart from within, culturally and economically. Its to the benefit of the 0.01% and their acolytes, who desire a neo-feudalism, as society with a caste system, with no upward mobility, and wealth in perpetuity for those in that class. The probability of all these people succeeding in life (lawyers, psychologists, crypto traders, a nuclear physicist, Dr’s, company owners, landed gentry) all being paranoid and mistaken isn’t really that high. They all share information with eachother, and we have some fabulous debates. None of us can disagree on the above, their livelihood and earning potential relies on them being switched on and understanding the world. As right now, we all need to be making about 15% more, just to stand still with this C19 / Russo-Ukranian sparked inflation. it makes no sense that we are incensed by what Trump/Biden has said and to have apathy about our quality of lives going down the pan, to the profit of others, who understand the game better. 
 

I don’t have any grudges here or anyone I wish ill. But, I do wish you guys would understand what is happening. I don’t mind being the “black sheep” again. 
 

 

[Kirk Gallaway]

3 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

For me, it stops with people waking up, small changes, and rejecting the parties that are failing you.

Ok, concretely what does that mean? The establishment  of another party that fills this gap?, and what is it's platform.? What is it supposed to do? It doesn't look like you have any idea what you want, because you don't end up saying.

3 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

Of course I may be proved wrong by feeling whilst the task heavily stacked against the proles, it is not insurmountable. There are cracks appearing, more people are wise to corruption than 2-3 years ago. That is IMHO one of the reasons that we are seeing online safety bills and whatever Biden is calling is disinformation board (I forget the name).

The "Proles".  But of course you're going to lengths to tell us you're not a "prole".  What does Chris want? Ok, people are getting wise, but Biden and the state are starting to crack down and encroach. But you're  an optimist? And to what end?   Oh, and what happens to those Proles?".

 

4 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

The overriding purpose of the agenda that I talk about is actually to dissolve American/Western culture. That’s why everything that made America the empire of our time is being attacked and academia and media. They are succeeding in making people ashamed of their heritage. Masculine archetypes, heroes, can’t be found. Kids are leaving school without anyone to emulate or aspire to be. Thats how you break any dominant culture, make them a people that believes in nothing. We also are losing initiation ceremonies which traditionally play a role in boys becoming men.

Chris: The overriding purpose of the agenda that I talk about is actually to dissolve American/Western culture.

Whose overriding purpose? I'm at least getting an idea now what you've lost.   You're  conservatively lamenting the breakdown of your heritage, you find society emasculating, devoid of heroes. I recall you've expressed that before, you were upset about the desecration and tearing down of statues,  of old confederates and some American heroes in the U.S.  You're stating your problems with modern day society.This is more like what you generally  write , it's very dystopian. It's not at all optimistic. When  values in society have irretrievably broken .How do you get to a  better place?

4 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

When some of you say my ideas are utopian, well, all I can say is that the place I live is pretty utopian. People don’t really ever watch the news here, lots of people do read though. I spend my time socialising usually with very educated people, many who are in this 1% that most of the world moans about, they have property all over the world, their kids attend the best schools, they are very comfortable. They all have something in common, we all do, we all see the world like this. We all understand that the USA, Britain / The EU are being pulled apart from within, culturally and economically. Its to the benefit of the 0.01% and their acolytes, who desire a neo-feudalism, as society with a caste system, with no upward mobility, and wealth in perpetuity for those in that class. The probability of all these people succeeding in life (lawyers, psychologists, crypto traders, a nuclear physicist, Dr’s, company owners, landed gentry) all being paranoid and mistaken isn’t really that high.

 

I said, "dystopian' not utopian., whose here accused you of being "Utopian" are you sure you're not mixing those 2 up?

Wow! ok, I'll let the paragraph stand on it's own!

I have some experience with thinking like that.  But not in my alleged 40's.

Well, with that I'll bid you good luck when everything breaks down but apparently you don't need it.

.