W. Niederhut Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: We don't need gun control. Only criminals do bad things with guns. Just heard this shocking news report/statistic on our local KCBS radio station out of San Francisco yesterday. A 7th grader shot an 8th grader with a gun two days ago at a junior high school in Oakland, Ca. The news report of this ended with the tid-bit... In the last year alone, the Oakland School district has confiscated....1000 firearms from their students! 1,000 ! No, that's not a misprint. In the year before that...800! When I was a primary school student in the late 1950's through 1969 ( 12 years! ) just 125 miles South of Oakland, I never heard of even "one" firearm being confiscated at our schools. It's gun madness...even among our regular citizenry. In the 1960s and early 70s, in Denver, it was a HUGE scandal if some yahoo brought a knife to school. And a homicide was major, frontpage news. Nowadays, I read about all of the daily metro area homicides and make a mental note about the locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Supreme Court Justice Alito’s Crusade Against a Secular America Isn’t Over | The New Yorker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 6 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: The most damning thing I've heard about Ornato is that he knew by 10 AM on January 6th that Trump's mob was armed, but he did nothing to protect Pence, Pelosi, or the Congress. In fact, his only intervention was to try to have Pence removed from the Capitol before the election could be certified. Then he and his co-conspirators deleted their texts, after being told to preserve them. This is an M$M meme--the "armed" mob on 1/6. To date, of nearly 900 arrested at the 1/6 Capitol event, only two inside were armed. One outside was armed. One of those arrested inside and armed has yet to face trial, curiously. No discarded arms were found on Capitol grounds. Thus, the Capitol 1/6 protestors were, in fact, unarmed except for a few deranged and independent participants, at about 0.3% of the crowd. Not one protestor fired a shot. None of the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers that day carried arms to the Capitol. The Proud Boys are being charged as being instigators of the Capitol breach, though no trial yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Trump freaks out over brutal new editorial from Rupert Murdoch’s NY post (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: This is an M$M meme--the "armed" mob on 1/6. To date, of nearly 900 arrested at the 1/6 Capitol event, only two inside were armed. One outside was armed. One of those arrested inside and armed has yet to face trial, curiously. No discarded arms were found on Capitol grounds. Thus, the Capitol 1/6 protestors were, in fact, unarmed except for a few deranged and independent participants, at about 0.3% of the crowd. Not one protestor fired a shot. None of the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers that day carried arms to the Capitol. The Proud Boys are being charged as being instigators of the Capitol breach, though no trial yet. Geez, Ben. How many times have you repeated this same old bogus trope? Explain why Trump wanted the security guards to "take down the magnetometers" at the Ellipse on January 6th. What were the magnetometers for? Are you trying to claim that Trump and Ornato weren't warned by 10 AM that the mob was armed? If so, you, obviously, didn't pay attention to the J6 hearings. Edited August 31, 2022 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 46 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: In the 1960s and early 70s, in Denver, it was a HUGE scandal if some yahoo brought a knife to school. And a homicide was major, frontpage news. Nowadays, I read about all of the daily metro area homicides and make a mental note about the locations. 1,000 firearms confiscated in "one" year at "one" school district. Mind blowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, W. Niederhut said: Geez, Ben. How many times have you repeated this same old bogus trope? Explain why Trump wanted the security guards to "take down the magnetometers" at the Ellipse on January 6th. What were the magnetometers for? Are you trying to claim that Trump and Ornato weren't warned by 10 AM that the mob was armed? If so, you, obviously, didn't pay attention to the J6 hearings. Yes, I read primary documents. The hard record shows three arrested on 1/6 have been charged with carrying firearms, and two have been convicted in a court of law. Why the third one has yet to face trial is a puzzle, as is Ray Epps never even being arrested or charged. The 1/6 hearings are a show trial, not a court of law. The "take down the magnetometers" comment sure sounds like Trump, but only one hearsay witness has testified to that statement. For reasons that are curious, the 1/6 Cheney-crat committee has not yet issued subpoenas to the actual witnesses to Trump's actions and commentary that day, those being Secret Service agents. As established, the US Congress can force anyone to testify at a hearing, or cite them for contempt, and have them thrown in jail, as the 1/6 committee is properly doing with Steven Bannon. The 1/6-M$M meme is "the Secret Service is not cooperating. The agents won't testify." This extraordinarily weak explanation is accepted? But why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: the US Congress can force anyone to testify at a hearing, or cite them for contempt, and have them thrown in jail, as the 1/6 committee is properly doing with Steven Bannon. You can't force a private citizen to testify; they can invoke their 5th Amendment rights. Steve Bannon is going to jail because he blew off a subpoena. Can't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Ben, How many in the Trump mob were arrested and searched for weapons at the Capitol on January 6th? Are you still not aware that most of them were only identified on film and arrested later? And, again, why did Trump want security to take down the magnetometers-- after he was told by 10 AM that the mob was armed-- when he said, "They're not here to harm me?" Are you trying to argue that Trump and Ornato were not told that the mob was armed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 58 minutes ago, Matt Allison said: You can't force a private citizen to testify; they can invoke their 5th Amendment rights. Steve Bannon is going to jail because he blew off a subpoena. Can't do that. Every citizen, private or public, can invoke the fifth amendment. So, the Congress can compel the Secret Service agents, past or present, to testify at the 1/6 hearings. Those agents may choose to "take the fifth," or they may even perjure themselves. But that is no reason to not even compel them into the hearing, but to instead highlight hearsay evidence. It is possible, I suspect likely, the 1/6 committee does not want to hear what the Secret Service agents would say in public, as it would not be consistent with the 1/6 committee narratives. My bet is the Secret Service agents never testify in front of the 1/6 committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 55 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Ben, How many in the Trump mob were arrested and searched for weapons at the Capitol on January 6th? Are you still not aware that most of them were only identified on film and arrested later? And, again, why did Trump want security to take down the magnetometers-- after he was told by 10 AM that the mob was armed-- when he said, "They're not here to harm me?" Are you trying to argue that Trump and Ornato were not told that the mob was armed? You are relying on hearsay evidence regarding what Trump said on 1/6. It would nice to hear what Trump said, from someone who actually heard what he said, under oath in a court of law. As for the "armed mob," so far they have been three who were arrested and who carried firearms. About 0.3% of those arrested. Were other protestors at that Capitol that day armed? You have no evidence either way. It is an M$M meme, but that does not a fact make. There was a lone individual, unaffiliated with any group, who had weapons in a vehicle. There was the curious "pipe bomber" who placed instruments near the RNC and the DNC, which resulted in the Capitol being largely and conveniently evacuated before the 1/6 scrum. The official word is that the bombs were "viable," but to be triggered by egg-timers. Since nobody cooks eggs for more than a few minutes...what happened? Why would anybody notice a pipe---unless it was left in such a way as to be seen? We know that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys showed up unarmed, per instructions. They were planning to overthrow the US government while unarmed. Not the most shrewd fellows. They also allowed themselves to be filmed by Nick Quested in the days leading up to 1/6. You know, getting incriminating evidence on film is always a good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said: My bet is the Secret Service agents never testify in front of the 1/6 committee. My bet is that they never testify because they're guilty of sedition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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W. Niederhut Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 58 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: You are relying on hearsay evidence regarding what Trump said on 1/6. It would nice to hear what Trump said, from someone who actually heard what he said, under oath in a court of law. Dead wrong, Ben. Trump's comments at the Ellipse about taking down the magnetometers wasn't hearsay evidence. Hutchinson was a firsthand witness of Trump's riot-promoting staging at the Ellipse. If you had watched the Congressional J6 hearings (rather than the Fox spin) you would know that. Cassidy Hutchinson was with Trump and his staff at the Ellipse when the shocking comments were made. And she was also privvy to the 10 AM briefing of Trump, Meadows, and Ornato about the police reports that the mob was armed. And Hutchinson was, in fact, testifying under oath-- under penalty of perjury-- unlike Tony Ornato, who has erased his J6 texts and ducked testifying under oath. You're, obviously, still in denial about Trump's (and Ornato's) serious J6 crimes against the United States. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 New DOJ filing is out and Donald Trump is soooooo f*cked. Good lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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