Is anyone interested in Apollo missions...

[Len Colby]

They were both reinforced concrete buildings and had nowhere near the floor space of the other buildings.

7 WTC was a trapezoid about 329/310 x 130 feet (144 diagonally) [about 43,200 sq. feet per floor] and had 1.9 million sq. feet of rentable office space

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf pg. 3

Each floor of the east tower of the Parque Central in Caracas was 20,450 square feet. It didn't have a central core its structure was totally different from that of 7 WTC

http://www.nfpa.org/categoryList.asp?categ...5/Cover%20Story

Floors of the Torre Windsor in Madrid were about 40 x 25 meter (1000 sq meters) or about 11,000 sq feet it had only 29 flors above ground level.

http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/r...res/default.htm

So they had half and a quarter the floor space respectively

Another problem with 7 is that it had a very unusual framing system due to

- being built over an existing electrical sub-station

- having been expanded horizontally

- having the city emergency command center added to it

Thus many of its columns didn’t go top to bottom requiring transfer trusses. (see the FEMA link above). While it like the Windsor had central cores structurally they were very different.

And in case you haven't been following the news a highway overpass near San Francisco collapsed a few days ago due to a hydrocarbon fire. Its steel frame is said to have melted but that probably means it weakened to the extent it could no longer support its own weight. But wait "inside jobbers" say hydrocarbon fires cann't do this. It is obviously the work of the MIC, PTB, MIBH, NWO, CIA, NSA, PNAC, WGBH, AARP and shape-shifting Illuminati!

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...BAGVOPHQU46.DTL

[Jack White]

The Psychology Of Patriotic Denial

By Tova Gabrielle

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/POPD.html

When a problem seems too huge to fix, you can't change it until you

change your beliefs.

Why No One Was Asking For A Motive For The Secretive Stance Of The

Bush Administration Towards 9/11, or, "Inciting a Truth Movement"

Surely I am not the only person who can figure out that if people are

secretive and uncooperative, it is probably because they're hiding

something (and that the more secretive they are, the more they have to

hide). So why has the mainstream press reached the consensus that the

Bush Mob has hindered the 9/11 investigations because it wishes to

'avoid embarrassment,' rather than to 'avoid incrimination'? What

deeper motives might there be for their stonewalling investigations

into one of the biggest crimes in our history?

As far fetched as it may seem, this wouldn't be the first time in

history a country planned or executed a major attack on its own soil

and blamed foreign factions for political purposes. The Reichstag Fires

which occurred under Hitler's regime in Germany and the Northwoods

Operation in the United States under the Kennedy administration during

the early sixties are two prime examples of such planning.

Unlike the rest of the world, most people in this country insist that

there is not a large enough, technologically advanced enough, or rich

enough power base in the U.S. that could have orchestrated the events

of 9/11. Yet they are perfectly content to believe that people from a

less technologically advanced and poorer country could have done so.

They are willing to believe that people who are operating out of caves,

far across the world from us, have more expertise than we do. These

superpowered demons, headed by bin Laden, apparently possess an elusive

power base so magical that we cannot locate it, despite all our

technology. However, we can still somehow receive updates and videos

regularly from them but, oddly enough we cannot trace the sources of

these communications. Just like children fearing boogiemen beneath our

beds, we seem to assume these dark forces are far trickier and more

resourceful than the most powerful country in the world. Educated U.S.

citizens, unlike the educated and thinking citizens of other countries,

have suspended their common sense as if hypnotized by the shock and

denial they experienced in the wake of the vulnerability they felt

following 9/11. They have accepted the party line that it was evil

“others, far across the world, who, by themselves, planned and

executed this amazing feat (and that it is just a coincidence that this

was the rationale for Bush's attacks on two oil-rich countries). They

cannot see that there is no evil demon with such magical, unlimited

resources, but that it is our own denial-laced fears that have fueled

our false beliefs in the omniscient power of the hidden others.

Although we can see that our democracy has been taken over by powerful

and well-funded religious fanatics who continually terrorize living

beings across the globe, we fail to acknowledge that if they have the

technology, membership, and organization to foil elections and stage

phony wars (in the face of massive protest around the world), they

might likewise have the resources and drive to pull off such a massive

deception as the 9/11 disaster in their own country.

How long must we remain hypnotized by shock and paralyzed by fear and

depression before we realize that only our own whistle-blowing will

stop these people? It is well past time to examine in depth the truly

terrible agendas operating in our government and to expose how these

agendas are being covered up. We, apparently, are the only population

that doesn't see through the charade. Every day we read of the degree

to which they are willing to go in order to deceive us. Even Colin

Powell called Rumsfeld and others "f---ing crazy" in their

masterminding of the Iraq war.

Pride is difficult to swallow. No one wants to be a fool. In this

paper, I hope to help people understand how it is that we could have

been so thoroughly fooled and how so many of us still remain staunchly

deluded. For once we understand a problem, we need no longer be subject

to its dynamic influences.

Regarding the historical details that prove that our country has

indeed been inclined to attack its own people for political ends, I

refer readers to historians like Howard Zinn. Herein, I offer insights

arising from my expertise in the psychologies of addiction, religious

cults, mind control, and hypnosis to explain how an entire country was

duped, and how to recover our perspectives.

Let's begin on the level of personal psychology, of which political

psychology is a manifestation. George W. Bush is a power addict and a

puppet of the factions he represents. Like many power addicts, he has a

history of alcoholism (as well as cocaine abuse). He is what is called

a "dry alcoholic"...he may not drink, but he cannot face reality either,

and therefore behaves with the same denial as one who does drink.

Alcoholics have a compulsive need to be in control of others, since

they are unable to control their own impulses and drives. They attempt

to assert control by falsely inflating themselves and their causes.

Everyone succumbs, on occasion, to denial when their pain becomes too

great, but addicts have a particularly flagrant disregard for the

truth. They cannot tolerate feelings of vulnerability and when their

recovery is not going well, they replace one addiction with another.

Having given up substance abuse, George Bush has adopted fanaticism as

a false means of control over his feelings of vulnerability. This is a

typical response of people seeking to escape the shame of their past

and their disorganized, chaotic experience. Constricting themselves

within the bounds of a rigid, fundamentalist, ideological framework

allows such people to shelter themselves from the potentially

overwhelming levels of anxiety that may be experience during the

process healthy recovery. It allows them to substitute authoritative

quick fixes for actually having to think (rather than drink). They fail

to develop common sense and reasoning powers to heal the

disorganization and panic they experience. They are driven by a

philosophy which compels them to react first and (try not to) think

later.

Grandiosity is a hallmark addicts and alcoholics because the most

difficult thing for them to cope with is powerlessness. It doesn't

matter whether or not you believe in a higher power, author John

Bradshaw tells people in recovery, "just that you know that you aren't

it." When in power, theses people deal with their feelings of

powerlessness by continually attempting to convince themselves and

anyone opposed to them that they are all right and others are all

wrong. Their sense of loss and defeat are so strong that they need to

believe, like children needing their parents' divine approval, that

they have "God' on their side.

Polarized, black-and-white thinking is the hallmark of mental illness.

Bush and his carefully chosen, like-minded mob represent a huge faction

of similar-minded fanatics who project their rigid, fear-based internal

structures upon others within a black-and-white, good-versus-evil

framework of thinking. Bradshaw writes that alcoholics don't have

relationships, but instead take hostages. We citizens are expected to

observe the unspoken but classic rules that protect the alcoholic head

of the family: Don't talk, don't think, don't feel.

Such addictive scripts help maintain the power and facade of

alcoholics and addicts. And the amazing part is that we, as citizens,

may unknowingly play our parts as enablers, just like children of

alcoholics. Sadly, many of us, acting as virtual children of

alcoholics, play our parts in maintaining what we hope to be some

measure of stability in our systems. As loyal children in an alcoholic

family, many people will rigidly deny the extent to which our

parental powers will go to manipulate and control us with fear. The

defenses we may employ in our denials arise in infancy and are only

finally uprooted through therapy or through insight that is willing to

upset the systems we internalized.

Denial is a primitive defense; children understandably don't

acknowledge the alcoholic father's insanity...after all he's the only

father they've got. The Bush administration depends upon our continued

fear and isolation from like-minded others to keep us bonded to it in

ignorance of what it does. Inflated patriotism is but a misguided

defense of a system that has the will and means to destroy us for

power, just like an alcoholic parent will sacrifice all for drink. As

long as we feel overwhelmed and disempowered, we won't investigate our

intuitions or connect the dots.

It certainly helps the agendas of those in power if we are chronically

too tired, broken and scared to think, feel, and talk. Otherwise, we

might find the energy to contemplate the truth, to have insights and

inspirations, and to organize. The George Bushes of our country are

absolutely terrified of the power of the masses.

We have learned to negatively hallucinate, that is, to not see the

obvious, when it contradicts our beliefs. We have been raised and bred

in institutions and families where the very persons preparing and

conditioning us for the âreal world have hidden their own skeletons in

our closets. Without our realizing it, their shames, secrets, and fears

become our inheritances. While it is all right to hate Bush and company

for being liars and idiots, we stop short of believing they could be

evil and powerful enough to have actually organized and pulled off the

9/11 attacks.

We were hypnotized on 9/11. Some of the strategies used to bring about

a hypnotic state include shock, repetition of phrases and images, and

exploiting people's sense of

vulnerability so that they relinquish their previously held beliefs

and endorse something formerly untenable to them. The Bush

administration has employed what hypnotists refer to as a "yes set" in

order to bring us under its spell:

The towers were hit. Yes. People died. Yes. The world is unsafe. Yes.

We know who did it. Yes. We must react now. Yes. If you are not with us

you are against us. Huh? The towers were hit. People died. Yes. And so

on until all the answers are the desired...yes.

After the shock and the deepening of our fear reactions through

repetitive imagery and continuous intimidation and lies, we found

ourselves in a state of disorganization and simulated ego

disintegration. Consequently, we have been thinking with our reptilian

brains rather than our frontal lobes, which means we that we haven't

been THINKING at all. (The reptilian brain stem is only capable of

fight or flight responses, not reasoned ones).

Opening our minds to the revelations described on this website forces

us to confront our deepest, survival-based beliefs: it is almost

impossible for us to accept that something so extreme could happen here.

Can you imagine that when Hitler was coming into power, the general

public believed the rumors? Who would have taken seriously such

nightmarish images as concentration camps replete with huge ovens? Who

ever had heard of such a thing? The first people who were on to it

were, no doubt, dubbed "œconspiracy nuts" by the public (They were,

interestingly, referred to by the Third Reich as "terrorists.").

In time, the truth comes out. The world had to face the ugliest truth,

and when it did, it said, "Never again." But how closely now are we

watching over our freedom? Are we unknowingly protecting ourselves from

highly upsetting truths in order to protect our unconscious, infantile,

need to believe that this is a democracy and a country devoted to our

well-being

Our tendencies toward denial are also enhanced by the messages from

the commercial world that constantly bombard us: "Don't get excited."

"Take a pill." "Soft, easy, quick." We have been raised as a country of

addicts brainwashed into finding a way out of feeling pain. The longer

we delude ourselves and try to avoid our pain, the greater is the

infection we that we create within our collective psyche.

The movie "The Truman Show" features a character who has been set up

all his life to believe in a fake reality in which he was being tricked

and used. He finally rejects this reality, choosing to enter the

unknown and face possible death over living a lie. Why have we been

afraid to imagine the worst when there is ample reason for suspicion?

Are we afraid of the anxiety such a disruption could evoke in our

minds? This is what the protagonist of "The Truman Show" had to face.

Like him, we need to become willing to give up our sense of false

security in order to stop living a huge lie. Otherwise, we will remain,

like children of alcoholics, afraid of our feelings of powerlessness.

Of course it is difficult to confront our fears and insecurities. But

the good news is that facing reality is the way to become empowered. Do

we fear that if we discovered the worst, we might explode with anger?

Or implode with despair? Who ever imagined that we'd have to worry

about rigged elections? Heck, that's one of the criteria for fascism,

and we hold the true ideals of democracy close to us. The psychological

weakness in our collective consciousness that has allowed George Bush

to abuse his power needs to be deeply examined, in order for these

dynamics to change.

The clarity and thoroughness of the evidence laid out on this website

allows us to take the first steps toward being able to believe that the

Bush administration was behind the 9/11 attacks. Change happens

incrementally. Little waves of inspiration and insight feed bigger

waves. The inevitable backlash against the lies of the last three years

might even lead to a truth movement. We needn't be despondent; rather,

we need to get even by creating this truth movement. The evidence

supporting the claims of Bush's complicity in 9/11 is available is

readily available both on the internet and increasingly in hardcopy.

This information is as plain as math, as concrete and physical as

anything you've ever learned in school.

It becomes easier to face upsetting, painful facts once we become

willing to change our beliefs. George Bush’s lies have paved the way

for a new wave of believers. Thanks to the Bush mob's relentless lies,

we are being prodded to loosen the tightest of our psychological

constrictions, our beliefs in what is possible.

Beliefs are the hardest off all psychological mechanisms to change.

They are the structures upon which we have built our lives. To

challenge our belief system is to threaten our ideas of who we are.

Doing so can be disastrously disorienting, which is why people have

been so slow to catch on, but it can also be enormously relieving and

empowering.

When a problem seems too huge to fix, you can't begin to change it

until you change your beliefs. You need to throw out your old lenses in

order to be able to perceive what you formerly couldn't see. Then you

can begin to emerge from your reptilian, survival-oriented, limited

brain and begin to imagine and put together the many available puzzle

pieces.

Einstein said that imagination is more important than knowledge. We

need imagination now to counter the mindsets we inherited as a result

of being raised in systems that were designed to protect power. We

learned to believe that those with power over us were truly protecting

us, despite their nasty habits and lies. We were trained not to see who

our real enemies are.

But we can stop being controlled by fear now. We can utilize our

healthy outrage to expose the inconsistencies in what we have been told

and leave no stone unturned. Our country's situation is not hopeless

for the simple reason that we are not children and we can expose the

traitors who have used political power against the people they are

supposed to serve.

The Bush administration is not above the law. The more this

administration disrespects the citizens of this country, the more

pressure it creates in people to break free of it at last and consider

the extent of its insanity.

To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The Bush

administration's continual lies are bound to generate more and more

skepticism toward them and an increasing interest in the truth. We are

consequently being led into a sort of 'forced individuation.'

As our truth movement gains momentum to break free of the excuses and

lies, we will see who the true 'terrorists' within our own government

are. We will know that the so-called 'œwar on terrorism' is a fantasy.

When we break the code of silence, we will have to walk away from the

government that we have allowed to morph into an instrument of

corporate control. We will then either turn back to our original

Constitution or go forth and find a new vision, moving, with a keen eye

for truth, into uncharted territories. It will be very exciting. But we

will no longer be innocent children, for we will have become aware of

what can happen if we don't carefully guard democracy, especially in

this new millennium. As adults, we will have to begin by envisioning

alternatives. We must begin by brainstorming a new system. No more can

we allow such massive failures of our own imagination. No more

œintelligence failures.It is healthy to get mad, but use that fuel

wisely: Get creative and spread the truth. We can't heal what we can't

feel. We can't change what we won't even dare to imagine.

########################################################

"Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it

the more it looks as

though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse

to

murder other people thousands of miles away."

-- Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, USMC (ret)

Retired U.S. Marine Corps Fighter Pilot

www.patriotsquestion911.com

[Kathleen Collins]

The Psychology Of Patriotic Denial

By Tova Gabrielle

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/POPD.html

Why No One Was Asking For A Motive For The Secretive Stance Of The

Bush Administration Towards 9/11, or, "Inciting a Truth Movement"

"Regarding the historical details that prove that our country has

indeed been inclined to attack its own people for political ends, I

refer readers to historians like Howard Zinn. Herein, I offer insights

arising from my expertise in the psychologies of addiction, religious

cults, mind control, and hypnosis to explain how an entire country was

duped, and how to recover our perspectives.

Let's begin on the level of personal psychology, of which political

psychology is a manifestation. George W. Bush is a power addict and a

puppet of the factions he represents. Like many power addicts, he has a

history of alcoholism (as well as cocaine abuse). He is what is called

a "dry alcoholic"...he may not drink, but he cannot face reality either,

and therefore behaves with the same denial as one who does drink.

Alcoholics have a compulsive need to be in control of others, since

they are unable to control their own impulses and drives. They attempt

to assert control by falsely inflating themselves and their causes.

Everyone succumbs, on occasion, to denial when their pain becomes too

great, but addicts have a particularly flagrant disregard for the

truth. They cannot tolerate feelings of vulnerability and when their

recovery is not going well, they replace one addiction with another.

Having given up substance abuse, George Bush has adopted fanaticism as

a false means of control over his feelings of vulnerability. This is a

typical response of people seeking to escape the shame of their past

and their disorganized, chaotic experience. Constricting themselves

within the bounds of a rigid, fundamentalist, ideological framework

allows such people to shelter themselves from the potentially

overwhelming levels of anxiety that may be experience during the

process healthy recovery. It allows them to substitute authoritative

quick fixes for actually having to think (rather than drink). They fail

to develop common sense and reasoning powers to heal the

disorganization and panic they experience. They are driven by a

philosophy which compels them to react first and (try not to) think

later.

Grandiosity is a hallmark addicts and alcoholics because the most

difficult thing for them to cope with is powerlessness. It doesn't

matter whether or not you believe in a higher power, author John

Bradshaw tells people in recovery, "just that you know that you aren't

it." When in power, theses people deal with their feelings of

powerlessness by continually attempting to convince themselves and

anyone opposed to them that they are all right and others are all

wrong. Their sense of loss and defeat are so strong that they need to

believe, like children needing their parents' divine approval, that

they have "God' on their side.

Polarized, black-and-white thinking is the hallmark of mental illness.

Bush and his carefully chosen, like-minded mob represent a huge faction

of similar-minded fanatics who project their rigid, fear-based internal

structures upon others within a black-and-white, good-versus-evil

framework of thinking. Bradshaw writes that alcoholics don't have

relationships, but instead take hostages. We citizens are expected to

observe the unspoken but classic rules that protect the alcoholic head

of the family: Don't talk, don't think, don't feel.

Such addictive scripts help maintain the power and facade of

alcoholics and addicts. And the amazing part is that we, as citizens,

may unknowingly play our parts as enablers, just like children of

alcoholics. Sadly, many of us, acting as virtual children of

alcoholics, play our parts in maintaining what we hope to be some

measure of stability in our systems. As loyal children in an alcoholic

family, many people will rigidly deny the extent to which our

parental powers will go to manipulate and control us with fear. The

defenses we may employ in our denials arise in infancy and are only

finally uprooted through therapy or through insight that is willing to

upset the systems we internalized.

Denial is a primitive defense; children understandably don't

acknowledge the alcoholic father's insanity...after all he's the only

father they've got. The Bush administration depends upon our continued

fear and isolation from like-minded others to keep us bonded to it in

ignorance of what it does. Inflated patriotism is but a misguided

defense of a system that has the will and means to destroy us for

power, just like an alcoholic parent will sacrifice all for drink. As

long as we feel overwhelmed and disempowered, we won't investigate our

intuitions or connect the dots.

We have learned to negatively hallucinate, that is, to not see the

obvious, when it contradicts our beliefs. We have been raised and bred

in institutions and families where the very persons preparing and

conditioning us for the âreal world have hidden their own skeletons in

our closets. Without our realizing it, their shames, secrets, and fears

become our inheritances."

****************************************************************************

Jack, thanks for posting this. I agree with it. I am an adult child of an alcoholic. And this essay said alcoholics don't have relationships, rather they take you hostage. Funny, I always thought my old man was taking us hostage. That's the exact word. Bush isn't qualified to be President of this country. He has too many problems. In my opinion, he will go down as being the worst President we ever had. I hope we survive him and the people behind his presidency.

Alcoholics have a compulsive need to control others. I can just say how true that is. Everything revolves around the alcoholic. You have to walk around on eggshells, hoping not to do or say anything that pushes the trigger, that makes him want to get bombed and physically and verbally abusive all night long.

This essay has a terrific insight into George W. Bush, the dry alcoholic.

Kathy

Edited May 5, 2007 by Kathleen Collins

[Anthony Thorne]

Accomplished researcher Peter Dale Scott's new book THE ROAD TO 9/11: WEALTH, EMPIRE AND THE FUTURE OF AMERICA is now up for pre-order at Amazon, and linked below. I have been waiting for this book for a while and am happy to see that it now has a direct publication date.

From the Amazon listing:

"This is an ambitious, meticulous examination of how U.S. foreign policy since the 1960s has led to partial or total cover-ups of past domestic criminal acts, including, perhaps, the catastrophe of 9/11. Peter Dale Scott, whose previous books have investigated CIA involvement in southeast Asia, the drug wars, and the Kennedy assassination, here probes how the policies of presidents since Nixon have augmented the tangled bases for the 2001 terrorist attack. Scott shows how America's expansion into the world since World War II has led to momentous secret decision making at high levels. He demonstrates how these decisions by small cliques are responsive to the agendas of private wealth at the expense of the public, of the democratic state, and of civil society. He shows how, in implementing these agendas, U.S. intelligence agencies have become involved with terrorist groups they once backed and helped create, including al Qaeda."

The book is due out on September 11th.

http://www.amazon.com/Road-11-Wealth-Empir...0180&sr=1-4

[Jack White]

Check out:

http://www.rense.com/general76/missing.htm

Jack

[Sid Walker]

Check out:

http://www.rense.com/general76/missing.htm

Jack

Thanks Jack

A fascinating article by an author with an interesting track record.

[John Geraghty]

I saw several planes around that position when I was outside the white house last summer. Flights go pretty much directly over the Pentagon too on their way to Reagan airport.

John

[Maarten Coumans]

Maarten, so what does any of this prove? you still have the same insurmountable problems with proving anything other than a very large plane hit the Pentagon, namely, 1 Overwelming eyewitness testimony, 2, wreakage found on the lawn, and inside the penetratored outer wall, and 3, DNA evidence found at the crash site.

i am no fan of Bush and his neo-Con buddies, and it may be possible to latter lay sightly lesser charges at their door, such as gross negligence, and even possibly foreknowledge of the terrible events for political, and economic gain. But having studied the actual physical evidence it is, to me at least, certain beyond a reasonable that doubt that the official reports are largely correct, and remember nothing can ever be proven to 100% certainty....Regards, Steve.

Steve.

1 I have looked at whitness testimonies. And from what I saw, their trajectary of their plane do not line up with the lamppowls. Differend course. Just like the data shows on the FDR (differend coarse), shortly before it stopped recording.

2 Wreckage. Those were not FBI or evidence experts (Who is in charge of the investigation? Will these findings be admitted in court? Oh yeah. The Arabs were convicted without a court. Similar to LHO, convenient.). Who were they? What did they find (Is it documented etc.)? What did they leave behind (wreckage??? can be seen behind the searching line). What was their job? If you refer to the piece covered in blue plastic? Or the nosewheel? Or the bit of engine? You cannot be serious. What about the rest.... 99.9% of it?

3 DNA evidence. Give me a break will ya....... The plane vaporized on impact (including most of the engines......?????????), yet they managed to identify passengers by dna. DNA surviving scorching heat.....

The fire was so hot it did not scorch the open book on the floor above. Yet managed to go all the way to the other side of the building (near the car entrance, where the released frames were cptured) and burn the roof as can be seen on the after picture. As well as knock out, or burn the reenforced windows.

Steve..... I see only "insurmournable problems" to prove that flight 77 did hit the Pentagon.

How about some of the supposed hijackers being allive?

In New York the "planes" managed to to cut through thick steel beams.. Here they defragment and vaporize.....

Shows a differend damage pattern. The second powl you see closest to you have been forced together. Nothing like at the taxi site. Where the tube stays hollow. There is light coming from underneath so that side is above the ground. Indeed I cannot see the top side. Indeed it is assumption to think it looks like the other three sides. But a bit of fysics. Because a plane cannot do this at 800 km/h. Then you would get a fold and cut, and a bunch of other stuff. This is more consistand with a force from the inside, so that is why I came up with explosion. And that there were no official witness testimonies of explosions...... means not much to me.

Came across:

They had the road to themselves.

Where are the tyre marks from the braking? How come only the windshield is damaged? Not the frame holding the windshield, not the emblem on front, or the hood. The driver-window shows no damage, so could be lowered, not necessarily smashed. Makes another question. Did that cab have Airco or Climate control? (Lincoln...... probably...very probable) Then it would serve no purpose to lower the windshield, except to view if the windshield is already smashed. Like in Ace Ventura Pet Detective. When he drives Dan Marino from Dock side at the end. Just to draw you a picture.

Maarten

[Maarten Coumans]

To Len:

Quote:

"Next the tree:Loose Change again 2nd, 11 minutes+ I came across:

It is the tree in front of the fire truck. In the moving images it is more clear. It can even be seen in Jack's picture, but takes real work. I would recomend the moving pictures. Better because of the smoke."

That image is too low quality to determine anything presumably you should be able to find clearer images of it. You didn't address the questions from my last post. Why do you think it odd to see a burnt tree next to a building that burned foe 24 hours? How do we know the tree wasn't burnt by the fireball"

My interest was not at all in the burning...... reading..... burned was to help identify........!!!!

Why was it not clipped by the left wing.

""There were a lot of camera's, not all in the property of the Pentagon. Nothing to do with Pentagon. Not even AIMED at the Pentagon. But would provide footage to substanciate their findings."

As I asked you last time, provide evidence to back you claim. Just because there were cameras in the vicinity doesn't mean they captured the last moments of flight 77."

Jack mentioned a couple of locations. The gasstation. Well all tapes that were confiscated within minutes by the FBI. Why do you not show tapes with the flight 77 hit the Pentagon "to back you claim".

I have provided the link to the Doubletree video, where you could not see a plane either. Where is yours that shows flight 77 hit the Pentagon. One click.

I have shown you the flashes, now you show me footage of NY where those flashes occur too.

How come in NY those planes manage to cut through steel beams like butter. But do not manage to chop a tree? Swept back....... into the hole..... ........

That site you mentioned (about Loose Change 2nd) takes assumption that a lot of the wing ends up in the Pentagon. But seems to mysteriously miss the tree. Probably forgot.

Find your own pictures.

How can the official story explain the vaporization of an entire plane, but the positive identification of passengers by dna. Gets damaged/destroyed in intense fires, and gets mixed up, making a dna-identification into a nightmare. Cannot have both...

The taxi and windshield, and broken glass.....

The glass in front of the car is not from the windshield, you see that too.....+\-

In the previous post to Steve I addressed thàt (not all) lamppost, no point in repeating.

Len wrote:

"As I wouldn’t trust Loose Change as a source numerous errors have been pointed out and the “producer” admitted they intentionally included disinformation “…We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves"

How about Bush's conviction of WOMD (Weapons Of Mass Destruction) to be found in Iraq. That has been proven wrong.

Do they retract troops..... NO.... send more!

He sounded just as sure about OBL. What does that tell you? Those producers were never that wrong.

So as far as Loose Change containing misstakes...... "Do your own thinking, ask questions." . Bush did not say such thing.

As far as I could tell from the subtitles of OBL so-called-war-declaration. He makes predictions, acting as foreseeer/profet.

If you read the Neo Cons need for a cataclismic event like Pearl Harbour, to turn the Americans in favour of war. I think it is a lot of the same. Well anyone with economic skills could figgure out the Internet bubble would not last, by the overrrated economic/stock value.

And insiders have a better view of the economic disaster behind the scenes.

This is an easy way out.

And IF...... IF this was done from outsiders. Would they target according to a priority list? Like White House, Pentagon, Congres. Political centres, or military targets first.

And what they hit on that list..... on the empty part..... flew all the way around it..... At 800 KM/h. Disappears of the radar screen...... no action taken .....

Well the WTC got hit and destroyed. That has no military or political value. The financial value is to be looked at, since it had problems renting the space. And was in need of removal of all the asbestus, renovation.

Further has it an enormous emotional impact, like described by the Neo Cons. And they had the connections and funds and motives to make 911 a fact.

Your mountain of evidence is as deep as the holes in the WTC complex on 911.

Oh Yeah. Bush figgured it out. "They hate freedom...." Well that makes it clear.... NOT!

Maarten.

[William Kelly]

Peter Dale Scott's Arizona 9/11 Accountablity Conference talk is now up at:

http://www.911blogger.com/taxonomy/term/926

Transcript coming your way soon.

BK

[Sid Walker]

How much longer are we expected to believe in the existence of this Ziocon arch-boogieman, absent even a cameo appearance in one of his many atrocities? (Pre-recorded videos don't count!)

The latest White House says bin Laden ordered Iraq plots scare was uncritically reported by the spook-run Australian Broadcasting Service this morning.

Osama bin Laden ordered al Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, to form a cell in 2005 to plot attacks outside of Iraq and make the United States his main target, a senior U.S. official said on Tuesday.

Do they think the public are such duffers we'll buy this absurdity forever?

Perhaps they are right?

Edited May 23, 2007 by Sid Walker

[Paul Rigby]

How much longer are we expected to believe in the existence of this Ziocon arch-boogieman, absent even a cameo appearance in one of his many atrocities? (Pre-recorded videos don't count!)

Sid,

Bin Lid isn't dead, merely, like all good thespians, "resting" between cameos, albeit in a non-conscious state.

[Kathleen Collins]

Sid,

Bin Lid isn't dead, merely, like all good thespians, "resting" between cameos, albeit in a non-conscious state.

I think bin Laden's been dead for years, if it was true that he was on dialysis when 9/11 happened. The Bush govt always knew where he was.

I also think Fidel Castro is dead. Maybe the US can inject some life back into Cuba. The Cubans are driving around in 1950's automobiles! Must be a great economy. What a wonderful place. Free Elian Gonzalez like his mother wanted.

Kathy

Edited May 25, 2007 by Kathleen Collins

[Mark Stapleton]

How much longer are we expected to believe in the existence of this Ziocon arch-boogieman, absent even a cameo appearance in one of his many atrocities? (Pre-recorded videos don't count!)

Sid,

Bin Lid isn't dead, merely, like all good thespians, "resting" between cameos, albeit in a non-conscious state.

I thought I saw him yesterday in Haldon Street, Lakemba.

[Paul Rigby]

How much longer are we expected to believe in the existence of this Ziocon arch-boogieman, absent even a cameo appearance in one of his many atrocities? (Pre-recorded videos don't count!)

Sid,

Bin Lid isn't dead, merely, like all good thespians, "resting" between cameos, albeit in a non-conscious state.

I thought I saw him yesterday in Haldon Street, Lakemba.

Shares in the terrorism industry's major players have risen accordingly. Good news for the world.