Jean Rene Souetre expelled from the US 18hrs after JFKA?!

[Steve Thomas]

32 prisoners were released on Friday afternoon,  March 22, 1968

Le  Monde March 23, 1968

https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1968/03/23/trente-deux-detenus-activistes-sont-liberes_2506307_1819218.html?xtmc=raym

Trente-deux détenus activistes sont libérés

Un communiqué du ministère de la justice a fait connaître, dans la matinée de vendredi, une série de mesures de grâce individuelles prises par le président de la République en laveur de trente-huit condamnés pour des faits en relation avec les événements d'Algérie.En exécution de ces mesures, trente-deux détenus activistes ont été libérés le jour même. Une vingtaine de personnes, tout au plus, condamnées pour la participation à ces faits demeurent en prison. Notons que la plupart des libérés de ce vendredi sont assignés à résidence et qu'il leur sera interdit de se rendre dans le sud-est de ry, Armand Belvisi, Jean-Louis Blanchy, André Canal, Philippe Castille, Louis de Condé, Léon Dauvergne, IJean-Louis Dumont, René Frassati, Daniel Godot, Hans Hussendorfer, Françis Leca, Pierre I' I

Magade, Henry Manoury, Claude Marsal, HIarti, Lajos Marton, François Ortola, Claude Peintre, Herbert Petri, Marc Rouvière, Gyula Sari. Paul Stefani, Ange Tari, Martial de Villemandy, Camille Iko (qui étaient détenus à Saint-Martin-de-Ré) ; Dominique Cabanne de Laprade, Jacques IGuillaumat, Paul Mancilla et Raymond Mura (qui étaient d1 IétI v enus à la Santé, à Paris).

 

Steve Thomas

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by Steve Thomas

[Steve Thomas]

On 2/18/2023 at 9:34 AM, Steve Thomas said:

This is the General Amnesty that DeGaulle issued on July 31, 1968 for the members of the OAS and others who had participated in the events iin Algeria and elsewhere. Marton and Sari had already been released from prison on March 22, 1968.

Steve Thomas

Les Soldats Perdus - The Lost Soldiers

This phrase was first coined by Charles DeGaulle in a radio broadcast on October 2, 1961.

As Mighty as the Sword: A Study of the Writings of Charles de Gaulle

By Alan Pedley. Elm Banks Publications, 1996.

http://books.google.com/books?id=cA7IIjGHdJ8C&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq="soldats+perdus"+DeGaulle+speech+October+1961&source=bl&ots=OPWK1Bx8Yt&sig=UO_wyf3-JFpRXiwD5aBGKpwc7qU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MyRZU5rfBNSryATt5ILwCw&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q="soldats perdus" DeGaulle speech October 1961&f=false

 

In a speech broadcast on October 2, 1961, Charles DeGaulle said, “dès que l'Etat et la nation ont choisi leur chemin, le devoir militaire est tracé une fois pour toutes. Hors de lui, il ne peut y avoir, il n'y a, que des soldats perdus”.

 

“As soon as the state and nation have chosen their path, military duty is drawn once and for all. Out of it, it can not be, that is, as soldiers lost.”

 

He later invoked the "lost soldiers: in a speech in Strasbourg.

In a speech at Strasbourg on November 23, 1961, DeGaulle said:

Anniversaire de la Libération de Strasbourg

http://fresques.ina.fr/de-gaulle/fiche-media/Gaulle00284/anniversaire-de-la-liberation-de-strasbourg.html

 

“Certes, on peut s'expliquer, et moi-même le premier, que dans l'esprit et dans le cour de certains soldats, se soient faits jour d'autres souhaits, et même l'illusion, qu'à force de le vouloir, on pourrait faire en sorte, dans le domaine ethnique et psychologique, que les choses soient ce que l'on désire, et le contraire de ce qu'elles sont. Mais, dès lors que l'Etat et la nation ont choisi leur chemin, le devoir militaire est fixé une fois pour toute. Hors de ces règles, il n'y a, il ne peut y avoir que des soldats perdus”.

 

“Certainly, we can explain, and myself the first, that in the minds and in the hearts of certain soldiers, other wishes have come to light, and even the illusion, that by dint of wanting, one could ensure, in the ethnic and psychological domain, that things are what one desires, and the opposite of what they are. But, once the state and the nation have chosen their path, the military duty is fixed once and for all. Outside of these rules, there are, there can only be lost soldiers”.

 

Jean-Rene Souetre was mentioned a couple of times in the book by Quivy - once in relation to his establishment of the first Maquis in 1961 and then again with respect to the establishment of the CNR Conseil National de la Résistance (CNR) after the dissolution of the OAS in 1962. Souetre truly was one of the Soldats Perdus.

Quivy, Vincent, Les Soldats Perdus: Des Anciens de L'OAS Racontent. Éditions Du Seuil, April, 2003. p. 81.

Joe “Nani” Eizza told Quivy, “À Bougira, je trouve Souètre, se souvient Rizza, on est ensemble dans le maquis, lui dans une ferme, (of Robert Martel?) moi dans l'autre, on communique par radio... Il y a Montpeyroux, Esquère, un ancien para... Souètre prend une fferme avec Montpeyroux et les commandos de l'air qui ont déserté avec lui. On a de l'armement, mais on ne combat pas. Lui a été arrêté, moi je suis sauvé.”

 

Joe “Nani” Eizza told Quivy, “In Bougira, I find Souètre, recalls Rizza, we are together in the maquis, he in a farm, (of Robert Martel?) me in the other one, we communicate by radio.. There is Montpeyroux, Esquère, a former para... Souètre takes a farm with Montpeyroux and the air force commandos who deserted with him. We have weapons, but we don't fight. He was arrested, I am saved.”

 

Former Captain Jean Marie Curutchet , told Quivy that, “J'ai des contacts à Paris, j'appartiens au réseau Centurion,...” p.77.

 

Jean Favarel told Quivy that (in 1962) “La situation continue à se dégrader. Il y a eu une réunion à Oran, avec le capitaine Souètre qui a remplacé le commandant Guillaume.” p. 160.

Jean Favarel told Quivy that (in 1962) “The situation continued to deteriorate. There was a meeting in Oran, with Captain Souètre who replaced Commander Guillaume.” p. 160.

The haut tribunal militaire was instituted on April 27, 1961 to judge those responsible for the putsch of April, 1961. On May 27^th, DeGaulle invoked it by ordinance. p. 159.

In the 1980's the FN or Front National was formed to further the aims of the extreme right. “Comme Jean René Souètre, Pierre Descaves, Roger Holeindre, tous responsables de premier plan de l'OAS, il figurera sur la liste du leader d'extrême droite aux élections européennes de 1999 et ce malgré la présence en bonne place du petits-fils du général de Gaulle.” p. 214.

“Like Jean René Souètre, Pierre Descaves, Roger Holeindre, all leading officials of the OAS, he will appear on the list of the far-right leader in the 1999 European elections, despite the prominent presence of the grandson of General de Gaulle. p. 214.

Steve Thomas

[Steve Thomas]

20 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Jean-Rene Souetre was mentioned a couple of times in the book by Quivy - once in relation to his establishment of the first Maquis in 1961 and then again with respect to the establishment of the CNR Conseil National de la Résistance (CNR) after the dissolution of the OAS in 1962. Souetre truly was one of the Soldats Perdus.

Establishment of the CNR

Report dated April 26, 1963

CURRENT STATUS OF ACTIVIST GROUPS

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=64993&relPageId=3

 

This is from Item# 10 on page 6:

I told another researcher that there is a right-wing Catholic militant group that is floating around in the background that I don't think has received enough attention from researchers.

Steve Thomas

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by Steve Thomas

[Leslie Sharp]

2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Establishment of the CNR

Report dated April 26, 1963

CURRENT STATUS OF ACTIVIST GROUPS

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=64993&relPageId=3

 

This is from Item# 10 on page 6:

I told another researcher that there is a right-wing Catholic militant group that is floating around in the background that I don't think has received enough attention from researchers.

Steve Thomas

 

Steve, I wonder if you might be thinking of La Cagoule?

Excerpt from Coup in Dallas . . .  

A Roadmap

Chapter 1: WWII, Special Ops, and Assassinations 

Author Albarelli deftly opens this book with the 1942 political assassination of WWII Vichy France's de facto Prime Minister, Admiral Francois Darlan. His murder assuredly involved personnel from America’s Office of Strategic Services. As the war in Europe had escalated, the OSS, headed by General William J. Donovan, had assumed a role previously filled by the office of Coordinator of Information, the nation's first peacetime non-departmental intelligence organization. Melding tactics derived from a French terrorist group known as La Cagoule, or “the Hooded Ones,” with the expertise of operatives from Gen. Donovan’s OSS, Admiral Darlan was vanquished in an operation in which a vulnerable young man Fernand Bonnier de la Chapelle, was designated the patsy who was meant to be captured and then abandoned. Albarelli astutely draws parallels between the setup of de la Chapelle and that of Lee Harvey Oswald in the murder of President Kennedy in Dallas two decades later.

The readers learn that La Cagoule, a secret Roman Catholic, anti-communist, anti-Semitic French fascist organization intent on employing terrorism as a form of intimidation, engaged in heroin trafficking and marketeering until Hitler’s invasion of Poland. Those same elements then organized the French version of his Gestapo, The Malice, whose support of the invaders tormented Vichy France for a half decade. After Hitler’s defeat and the liberation of Paris, General Charles de Gaulle ordered the execution of its leader, marking the beginning of what would escalate into a virulent animus toward the French president that persisted through de Gaulle’s own dangerous fall of 1963. 

The details of this history may seem irrelevant to the assassination of Kennedy until Albarelli introduces the SS officer exiled in Madrid, Otto Skorzeny, best known as the mastermind behind the rescue of Italy’s fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, a feat that established his bona fides as a brilliant tactician. It is Skorzeny who provides a critical link in the chain of events from fascist Europe of the 1930s and 1940s to the racist, anti-Semitic politics that permeated Texas well into in the early 1960s. Confirmed in a series of letters sent from a Parisian amateur detective to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, in which he identified facts that were not yet in the public domain at the time of his writing, “only the former director of the CIA, Allen Dulles could clear Otto Skorzeny of his critical role in the assassination.”

For now, days after Fernand’s execution, it is discovered that the $2,000 US he had in his overcoat pocket did indeed come from Henri d’Astier de la Vigerie, a fascinating character. Before the war, d’Astier had joined La Cagoule, a secret Catholic, anti-communist, anti-Semitic French fascist organization . . .  

. . . La Cagoule and the Malice

Members of La Cagoule were sometimes called Cagoulards. French writer Renee Pierre-Goss, in a rare 1945 volume on “the conspiracy in Algiers,” wrote with equally rare perception that Henri d’Astier was “in fact the occult leader of most of the elements resisting in Algiers.” Pierre-Goss goes on:

He [Henri d’Astier] was a Cagoulard; people repeat it, and he does not try to hide the fact. His innate taste for intrigue, his urge to make trouble, to act as an outlaw, and to expend his strength recklessly, make him a kind of musketeer quite out of place in our century. An aristocrat, sprung from an ancient line, he is the enfant terrible of his family. He willingly talks of his disagreements with his two brothers. He is inclined toward the right, of course, but he does not conceal that he is much more royalist than

monarchist. His personal tendencies lead him to devote himself more to the man than to an idea…. Henri d’Astier is more than a condottiere. He is completely sincere, entirely disinterested, and attached with every fiber of his being to the land of France. He suffers to see France in eclipse and the salt of the land—her best sons—losing its savor. He has the character of a leader and its essential capacity to arouse passionate devotion around him. Sometimes he has done mad things, extravagant, incredible things, but never second-rate. 

La Cagoule, very much like today’s jihadist groups in composition, was founded in 1936 by Eugene Deloncle, an unattractive, short squat man who had been blessed with unusual hypnotic and persuasive powers, along with several other people, including French industrialist and ultra-rightist, Jacques Lemaigre Dubreuil. Deloncle, an engineer, who spoke precious little in public about La Cagoule, said the purpose of the group was to restore the Catholic monarchy to France. Deloncle didn’t speak of the ways La Cagoule would achieve its aim, but history informs us that the organization was expert in carrying out assassinations, blowing up buildings, kidnapping, wiretapping, and torture. La Cagoule means “the hood” or “the hooded ones,” because members at most of their meetings wore face-covering masks to conceal their identities. 

            Historians Gaylek Brunelle and Annette Finlay-Croswhite, whose brilliant volume on La Cagoule, Murder in the Metro, aptly write: “Most scholars dismiss the Cagoule as a group of half-hearted, often comical street thugs whose inexperience doomed their farfetched plan to overthrow the French government and bring Mussolini-style fascism to France…. We contend that historians have underestimated the significance of Cagoulard violence and as a result have failed to perceive the group’s purposeful terrorist action for what it was—a form of public discourse that quite successfully engaged the French populace in a dialogue about the fate of the Third Republic and, in the process, left a chilling trail of bloodshed.” Brunelle and Finley-Croswhite continue:

In the police reports and legal files associated with their activities, members of the Cagoule were identified as “terrorists.” The terms “terrorist” and “terrorism,” however, have proven extremely difficult for scholars to define, resulting in a multitude of possible definitions that the events in the United

States on September 11, 2001, and the resulting outpouring of literature on terrorism, have complicated and problematized even more. “Terrorism” is a pejorative, but one with a long history. Terrorist acts inspiring widespread fear have been written about since at least the time of Xenophon, but ironically the word “terrorism” was coined in the French Revolution and is specifically associated with governance through intimidation. The first terrorists were the Jacobins, who sought to influence political behavior through terror, and their instrument of execution, the guillotine, became a symbol of terrorism or at least a method of behavior control. “Terrorism” was introduced into the English language in 1794.

Brunelle and Finley-Croswhite’s contention that the Cagoule “perpetuated terrorism” is precisely on the mark, and, upon close examination, as we shall see, the alliance of Cagoule, the hooded ones, with the National Socialists, combined with the actions of the OSS in North Africa, strongly set the initial stage for JFK’s assassination.         

***

We turn now to what matters most to this investigation, those hooded ones directly relevant to the murder of Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.

            Jean Pierre Lafitte, author of the documents central to our story, enters the following in his loosely constructed day by day account of what was going on in his world in 1963: 

Lamy - Filiol at hotel

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Edited February 20, 2023 by Leslie Sharp

[Steve Thomas]

1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:

 Deloncle, an engineer, who spoke precious little in public about La Cagoule, said the purpose of the group was to restore the Catholic monarchy to France. 

 

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Leslie,

I think the "movement", if you want to call it that, went by several names,

There was a throwaway line in something Jean-Claude Perez told Fensterwald in 1982. He said that,

“post 1962, Souetre was part of an ultra-right, ultra-Catholic splinter group which included four men named Pichon, Lefevre, Bourget, and Grossouvre. Group called Integraliste"
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Souetre%20Jean%20with%20aka%27s/Item%2011.pdf

p. 4.

 

(Albert Lefevre, by the way, was the one man I could find that both stood trial with Souetre in December, 1961 and who escaped with him from the Camp at St. Maurice L'Ardoise in February, 1962.)

From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integralism

 

Integralism is an ideology according to which a nation is an organic unity. Integralism defends social differentiation and hierarchy with co-operation between social classes, transcending conflict between social and economic groups. It advocates trade unionism (or a guild system), corporatism, and organic political representation instead of ideological forms of representation. Integralism claims that the best political institutions for given nations will differ depending on the history, culture and climate of the nation's habitat. Often associated with blood and soil conservatism, it posits the nation or the state or the nation state as an end and a moral good, rather than a means.[1]

The term integralism was coined by the French journalist Charles Maurras, whose conception of nationalism was illiberal and anti-internationalist, elevating the interest of the state above that of the individual and above humanity in general.[1]

Although it is marked by its being exclusionary and particularistic, and there has been consideration of its historic role as a sort of proto-fascism (in a European context)[1] or para-fascism (in a South American context),[2] this link remains controversial, with some social scientists positing that it combines elements of both the political left and right.[3]

Catholic Integralism does not support the creation of an autonomous "Catholic" state church, or Erastianism (Gallicanism in French context). Rather it supports subordinating the state to the worldwide Catholicism under the leadership of the Pope. Thus it rejects separation of the Catholic Church from the state and favours Catholicism as the proclaimed religion of the state.[5]

Catholic Integralism appeals to the teaching on the subordination of temporal to spiritual power of medieval popes such as Pope Gregory VII and Pope Boniface VIII. But Catholic Integralism in the strict sense came about as a reaction against the political and cultural changes which followed the Enlightenment and the French Revolution.[6

In the paragraph above the one I cited earlier, there is this paragraph:

Notice how Dr. Albert LeFevre's name appears in both the Interegeliste movement, and here in the MCR. I'm beginning to think he was a much more dangerous man than I originally thought.

I just think that in addition to the "stay behind" network, and the "stratehy of tension" movements, there were other elements in play that should be taken into consideration. Aside from political forces, there's this whole religious thing thrown into the pot.

Steve Thomas

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Leslie,

I think the "movement", if you want to call it that, went by several names,

There was a throwaway line in something Jean-Claude Perez told Fensterwald in 1982. He said that,

“post 1962, Souetre was part of an ultra-right, ultra-Catholic splinter group which included four men named Pichon, Lefevre, Bourget, and Grossouvre. Group called Integraliste"
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Souetre%20Jean%20with%20aka%27s/Item%2011.pdf

p. 4.

 

(Albert Lefevre, by the way, was the one man I could find that both stood trial with Souetre in December, 1961 and who escaped with him from the Camp at St. Maurice L'Ardoise in February, 1962.)

From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integralism

 

Integralism is an ideology according to which a nation is an organic unity. Integralism defends social differentiation and hierarchy with co-operation between social classes, transcending conflict between social and economic groups. It advocates trade unionism (or a guild system), corporatism, and organic political representation instead of ideological forms of representation. Integralism claims that the best political institutions for given nations will differ depending on the history, culture and climate of the nation's habitat. Often associated with blood and soil conservatism, it posits the nation or the state or the nation state as an end and a moral good, rather than a means.[1]

The term integralism was coined by the French journalist Charles Maurras, whose conception of nationalism was illiberal and anti-internationalist, elevating the interest of the state above that of the individual and above humanity in general.[1]

Although it is marked by its being exclusionary and particularistic, and there has been consideration of its historic role as a sort of proto-fascism (in a European context)[1] or para-fascism (in a South American context),[2] this link remains controversial, with some social scientists positing that it combines elements of both the political left and right.[3]

Catholic Integralism does not support the creation of an autonomous "Catholic" state church, or Erastianism (Gallicanism in French context). Rather it supports subordinating the state to the worldwide Catholicism under the leadership of the Pope. Thus it rejects separation of the Catholic Church from the state and favours Catholicism as the proclaimed religion of the state.[5]

Catholic Integralism appeals to the teaching on the subordination of temporal to spiritual power of medieval popes such as Pope Gregory VII and Pope Boniface VIII. But Catholic Integralism in the strict sense came about as a reaction against the political and cultural changes which followed the Enlightenment and the French Revolution.[6

In the paragraph above the one I cited earlier, there is this paragraph:

Notice how Dr. Albert LeFevre's name appears in both the Interegeliste movement, and here in the MCR. I'm beginning to think he was a much more dangerous man than I originally thought.

I just think that in addition to the "stay behind" network, and the "stratehy of tension" movements, there were other elements in play that should be taken into consideration. Aside from political forces, there's this whole religious thing thrown into the pot.

Steve Thomas

Keep these posts coming, @Steve Thomas👌🏼

[Steve Thomas]

In the late 1950's (an might still be the case, I don't know), the French had a system of 2 years of compulsory military service for males between the ages of 18 to 20.

One way of fulfilling this 'requirement was to enroll in a Officer's Candidate program - sort of like our ROTC program.

Jean-Rene Souetre elected to pursue this course.

The earliest I know of him was in 1950.

After a stage of EOR, (military cadet?) (Ecole d'officiers de réserve de l'Armée de l'air – E.O.R?)

He was incorporated into the French Air Force (l'armee de l'air) in 1950 where he passed briefly as a Commander of an anti-aircraft battery. He was made a second-lieutenant in 1952. He was attached to Mourmelon, a commune in the Marne Department of north-eastern France. He was then posted to Lahr, in western Germany in the air artillery. At the end of 1954 the air artillery group was dissolved to form the half-brigade of Air Riflemen (Fusilliers d'lair), which was sent to Algeria. (from Wikopedia: The term "Demi-brigade" was chosen to avoid the feudal ancien régime connotations of the term "Régiment". Napoleon Bonaparte ordered the term to be abandoned in 1803, and the demi-brigades were renamed "régiments". The term was reused by certain later units in the French Army, such as the 13th Foreign Legion Demi-Brigade, the only permanent demi-brigade in the modern French Army.)

As a junior grade, second lieutenant, he was stationed at Petite Mulion and commanded an anti-aircraft battery.It was during this period that he met the future Dr. Lawrence Alderson.

After he arrived in Algeria, he would be arrested in 1956 and sentenced to two weeks hard labor for acting without orders.

https://site.fncv.com/biblio/grand_combattant/souetre-jean/index.html

"In 1954, Lieutenant Souètre found himself in Geryville, Algeria, in the air riflemen. Two years later, he will be able to show his voluntary character: learning that oil tankers have fallen into an ambush, he goes to their aid with his section and manages to free them, which will earn him a fifteen-day arrest sanction. of rigor by his hierarchy, for having acted without orders..".

Steve Thomas

 

 

[David Butler]

21 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

 

Notice how Dr. Albert LeFevre's name appears in both the Interegeliste movement, and here in the MCR. I'm beginning to think he was a much more dangerous man than I originally thought.

 

Hi @Steve Thomas Is Doctor Lefevre definitely Albert and not Doctor Bernard Lefevre ?

http://deltas-collines.org/galerie/BERNARDLEFEVRE

 

[Steve Thomas]

1 hour ago, David Butler said:

Hi @Steve Thomas Is Doctor Lefevre definitely Albert and not Doctor Bernard Lefevre ?

http://deltas-collines.org/galerie/BERNARDLEFEVRE

 

David,

No, you're right.  Thanks for catching that. His name was Dr. Bernard LeFevre

CIRCULATION OF FRENCH SECRET ARMY ORGANIZATION WATCHLIST

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=64991#relPageId=3

Steve Thomas

[Ron Bulman]

I'm posting this here thinking Leslie Sharp might see it and know something or Paul or Anthony.  If no response in a few days I'll pm Leslie.

Looking on amazon at Coup In Dallas I saw this in Hank's bio.

and his fictional account of infamous narcotics agent George Hunter White's activities in the 1950s will be released next year, as will his biography of White, which will be published by TrineDay Books. Albarelli's website is: www.Albarelli.net

Coup came out in November 2021, Hank passed in June 2019, which is not mentioned in the bio.  Entering his name at amazon/books turns up four of them, none about White, who is a Very interesting subject.  Was this book ever finished, will it ever come out?

Also, searching for www.Albarelli.net took me to a "Not Secure" Indonesian beauty supply website, that wanted my e-mail to proceed, which I quickly clicked out of.

[Steve Thomas]

On May 28, 2015, a poster using the pseudonym Commandoair40 postedi n the Forum:

Paras, bérets bleus, verts et rouges, tous unis !
(slang) Paratroopers, berets, blue,green and red, all united! 

(blue, green, and red are the various colors of the berets worn by different services)

(The 40/541 was the Regiment or demi-brigade for which Jea Rene was the Captain from November, 1957 to April, 1960. He was promoted to Captain when the Regiment's then current commander, Captain Fuhrer was wounded in battle.)

https://paras.forumsactifs.net/t13070-grand-combattant-jean-souetre

"Le journaliste d’investigation français William Reymond, pense que le SDECE a voulu fabriquer « de toutes pièces la présence de Souètre, détenant ainsi un moyen de pression sur l’OAS."

TRANSLATION

The French investigative journalist William Reymond, thinks that the SDECE wanted to manufacture “from scratch" the presence of Souètre, thus having a means of pressure on the OAS.

I personally believe that that comes closest to the truth. The allegation that Souetre was in Dallas was not so much an attempt to shed light on what happened on November 22nd, as it was a ruse by the SDECE to discredit the OAS.

Steve Thomas

 

 

[Evan Marshall]

Perhaps a search of folks exiting the US using various forms of transportation might discover "Some nobodies" who upon further examination might prove valuable!

[Roger Odisio]

23 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

On May 28, 2015, a poster using the pseudonym Commandoair40 postedi n the Forum:

Paras, bérets bleus, verts et rouges, tous unis !
(slang) Paratroopers, berets, blue,green and red, all united! 

(blue, green, and red are the various colors of the berets worn by different services)

(The 40/541 was the Regiment or demi-brigade for which Jea Rene was the Captain from November, 1957 to April, 1960. He was promoted to Captain when the Regiment's then current commander, Captain Fuhrer was wounded in battle.)

https://paras.forumsactifs.net/t13070-grand-combattant-jean-souetre

"Le journaliste d’investigation français William Reymond, pense que le SDECE a voulu fabriquer « de toutes pièces la présence de Souètre, détenant ainsi un moyen de pression sur l’OAS."

TRANSLATION

The French investigative journalist William Reymond, thinks that the SDECE wanted to manufacture “from scratch" the presence of Souètre, thus having a means of pressure on the OAS.

I personally believe that that comes closest to the truth. The allegation that Souetre was in Dallas was not so much an attempt to shed light on what happened on November 22nd, as it was a ruse by the SDECE to discredit the OAS.

Steve Thomas

 

Does that mean you think the SDECE planted the story in the French newspaper about Souetre being expelled from Dallas soon after the JFKA?  Who, then, contacted the FBI in the US to verify the story before DeGaulle's trip to Mexico?  Some other part of the French government?  A case of one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing?

RO

 

23 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

 

 

[Leslie Sharp]

23 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

On May 28, 2015, a poster using the pseudonym Commandoair40 postedi n the Forum:

Paras, bérets bleus, verts et rouges, tous unis !
(slang) Paratroopers, berets, blue,green and red, all united! 

(blue, green, and red are the various colors of the berets worn by different services)

(The 40/541 was the Regiment or demi-brigade for which Jea Rene was the Captain from November, 1957 to April, 1960. He was promoted to Captain when the Regiment's then current commander, Captain Fuhrer was wounded in battle.)

https://paras.forumsactifs.net/t13070-grand-combattant-jean-souetre

"Le journaliste d’investigation français William Reymond, pense que le SDECE a voulu fabriquer « de toutes pièces la présence de Souètre, détenant ainsi un moyen de pression sur l’OAS."

TRANSLATION

The French investigative journalist William Reymond, thinks that the SDECE wanted to manufacture “from scratch" the presence of Souètre, thus having a means of pressure on the OAS.

I personally believe that that comes closest to the truth. The allegation that Souetre was in Dallas was not so much an attempt to shed light on what happened on November 22nd, as it was a ruse by the SDECE to discredit the OAS.

Steve Thomas

 

 

Steve, do you think Commandoair40 is arguing that INS in Dallas didn't actually detain individuals they identified as having French citizenship? Is he suggesting that SDECE planted the story?  

[Leslie Sharp]

1 hour ago, Roger Odisio said:

Does that mean you think the SDECE planted the story in the French newspaper about Souetre being expelled from Dallas soon after the JFKA?  Who, then, contacted the FBI in the US to verify the story before DeGaulle's trip to Mexico?  Some other part of the French government?  A case of one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing?

RO

 

 

Sorry, Roger, I hadn't read your remarks prior to posting a similar question of Steve.  I agree with you.  Unless I'm misreading, this seems to infer that INS didn't actually detain French citizens but that French intelligence concocted the story for their own internal agenda. 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Leslie Sharp