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In reviewing the various references to Project REDACTED in the memo, the Project's title appears to be an eight-letter word.  

Robert, you mention that Lt. Col. Manuel Chavez is mentioned at page 10 of the memo: 

  • "United States Air Force Lt. Col. Manuel "The Mexican" Chavez AKA Russell H. SamboraCIA focal point officer at JMWAVE and cited in CIA documents as Chief of Security, AMWORLD.

"by Lt. Col. Chavez's own admission, he was the State Department USAF Air Attaché to US Vice President Richard Milhous Nixon (Chief of Cuban Staff, Operations Coordinating Board, 5412/2 Committee) during Nixon's 1958 trip to Venezuela, and personal friends with United States Army SFC David “El Indio” Sánchez Morales AKA Stanley R. Zamka, Chief of Foreign Intelligence, CIA Counterintelligence Staff, Western Hemisphere Division, Cuban Operations & JMWAVE Chief of Covert Action (apparently, Lt. Col. Chavez and SFC Morales shared a desk at JMWAVEhow cute)."

A number of us are interested in Lt. Col. Manuel Chavez, who was set up with his pseudonym Russell Sambora with the assistance of Henry Hecksher and David Phillips in late Nov-Dec. 1963 to operate in Mexico - today, here's my reason why:

March 1964: A-1 (Artime) said that (Manuel Chavez) will be leaving on Monday, 16 march, for Nicaragua to survey AMWORLD installations...AMJAVA-4/Rafael Quintero, AMWORLD-2/Sixto Mesa and "the Mexican"/Manny Chavez will leave together for Nicaragua on March 16.

What was the background of Chavez's two friends, AMJAVA-4/Rafael Quintero and AMWORLD-2/Sixto Mesa?

As Larry Hancock has reported, when AMJAVA/4/Rafael Quintero was asked who killed JFK, his response was "better that you don't know".   

On AMWORLD-2/Sixto Mesa, Artime's lieutenant?  He was a source of an early 64 wild made-up story linking Cuban diplomat Quintin Pino with Oswald, part of the continual effort to link the assassination to Castro:

Dr. Fernando Penabez (of Miami)...is currently active in preparation of radio programs broadcast over 110 stations in eleven Latin American countries. He said these programs are directed against the Castro regime...he was invited to speak at the national anti-communist leadership school, sponsored by the Christian Crusade, in Shreveport. He was speaking with Billy Jean Hargis and Edwin Walker.

He said he heard from Artime's aide Miguel de Leon Rojas that Oswald allegedly went to Cuba and returned with Quintin Pino, who supposedly crossed from Mexico to Texas to rescue Oswald after the assassination, but Oswald wasn't wearing clothes of the proper color and then got caught up in the Tippit shooting and missed being picked up by Pino.

De Leon said Pino was a strongman in the diplomatic corps, and was sent to Nicaragua in 1959 to organize anti-government guerrillas and to teach sabotage. De Leon said he learned the story about Pino and Oswald about a week after 11/22/63 at the home of Sixto Mesa. Dr. Adolfo Vilabubo took credit as the source of the story, and said it was common rumor among the Cuban exile colony in Miami.   

When Mesa was quizzed about it by the FBI, he admitted that he had no first-hand information.

 

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4 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

He said he heard from Artime's aide Miguel de Leon Rojas that Oswald allegedly went to Cuba and returned with Quintin Pino, who supposedly crossed from Mexico to Texas to rescue Oswald after the assassination, but Oswald wasn't wearing clothes of the proper color and then got caught up in the Tippit shooting and missed being picked up by Pino.

De Leon said Pino was a strongman in the diplomatic corps, and was sent to Nicaragua in 1959 to organize anti-government guerrillas and to teach sabotage. De Leon said he learned the story about Pino and Oswald about a week after 11/22/63 at the home of Sixto Mesa. Dr. Adolfo Vilabubo took credit as the source of the story, and said it was common rumor among the Cuban exile colony in Miami.   

When Mesa was quizzed about it by the FBI, he admitted that he had no first-hand information.

 

 

Fascinating.

 

I love the mention of Quintin Pino as some sort of handler of Mr. Oswald, simply because he is mentioned as an organizer of anti-communist guerrillas, and we know that Capt. Franklin Anthony Wheelock Garcia "ERYTHROID-3," who was the Nicaraguan Office of National Security, Chief of Anti-Communist Section, helped paint Mr. Oswald red, and make him look like a communist sympathizer.      

 

And here we have claims that another Nicaraguan anti-communist commando was supposed to handle Mr. Oswald after the murder of officer Tippit?

 

Once again, strange rabidly anti-communist bedfellows for Lee Harvey Oswald to be found in the orbit of...

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Actually- in this case - Pino was a strongman inside Castro’s diplomatic corps- he was training anti-government guerrillas against Somoza.  But the notion that he was plotting against JFK was part of a years long disinformation campaign I will write about someday soon.

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7 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

Actually- in this case - Pino was a strongman inside Castro’s diplomatic corps- he was training anti-government guerrillas against Somoza.  But the notion that he was plotting against JFK was part of a years long disinformation campaign I will write about someday soon.

 

 I stand corrected, and even better!

 

😁

 

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Robert you mentioned Davies:

 

I'd like to highlight the following military personnel that are mentioned in this document as being initiates in this Project *REDACTED*

 

  • United States Army Lt. Col. Albert C. DaviesAccording to CIA documents, in 1963, Lt. Col. Davies was a focal point officer, serving in the CIA Western Hemisphere Division, Cuba, as Chief of Intelligence, for William King Harvey's Task Force W.

At the same time Lt. Col. Davies was Bill Harvey's top intelligence officer, executive officer, Lt. Col. Davies was also Chief, Intelligence SectionUS Army School of the Americas, Fort Gulick, Panama Canal Zone, United States Army Caribbean Command.

 Lt. Col. Davies is also mentioned in the Operation NORTHWOODS documents as a senior plans officer.

 

Davies was involved with David Morales and Al Rodriguez (aka Rod) as part of the AMTRUNK operation. This would later be part of the Autonomous Operations umbrella.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=152633#relPageId=3

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10 hours ago, David Boylan said:

Robert you mentioned Davies:

 

I'd like to highlight the following military personnel that are mentioned in this document as being initiates in this Project *REDACTED*

 

  • United States Army Lt. Col. Albert C. DaviesAccording to CIA documents, in 1963, Lt. Col. Davies was a focal point officer, serving in the CIA Western Hemisphere Division, Cuba, as Chief of Intelligence, for William King Harvey's Task Force W.

At the same time Lt. Col. Davies was Bill Harvey's top intelligence officer, executive officer, Lt. Col. Davies was also Chief, Intelligence SectionUS Army School of the Americas, Fort Gulick, Panama Canal Zone, United States Army Caribbean Command.

 Lt. Col. Davies is also mentioned in the Operation NORTHWOODS documents as a senior plans officer.

 

Davies was involved with David Morales and Al Rodriguez (aka Rod) as part of the AMTRUNK operation. This would later be part of the Autonomous Operations umbrella.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=152633#relPageId=3

 

Absolutely—of course it has to be appreciated that the AMTRUNK operatives felt they had been betrayed by CIA and were looking for a new sponsor in Special Group, Augmented under US Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and US State Department officer Robert A. Hurwitch—one of the many anti-Castro rodeos that failed under RFK's command...

 

 

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On Page 52 of Understanding Special Operations and their impact on The Vietnam War Era, Prouty says: 

"This was the original role of Special Forces. "Special Forces" were created for that post-strike purpose; that's why they existed. That's why Special Forces was so close to the CIA. Because the CIA had the responsibility, in the war plan, for opening up the contacts with people in these selected areas through agent networks - which were quite precarious. The agent networks were built on the old "Gehlen" organization from World War II. 

   People have wondered what the pattern was for CIA to take over so much of the old Nazi intelligence organization, under General Gehlen, and then turn right around and use it. This was one of it's major uses. It was immediately turned back on the Soviet Union, and that's where Gehlen's Nazi intelligence was the best anyway. Gehlen had perfected Eastern bloc intelligence for the Nazis when he was the chief of East European intelligence for Hitler. And now he was very much a part of the American intelligence for Hitler. And now he was very much a part of the American intelligence system, but focused on the same people: the Ukraine and Eastern Europe. 

It is quite an amazing event in history, to think that Hitler's chief of intelligence, Reinhardt Gehlen, became a U.S. Army general by act of Congress and his job was intelligence for the United States. And almost no break in service - he was a German general right up to a certain day and then all of a sudden he was an American general. But this is all on the record and this is what he was doing. American Army Special Forces troops were designed for this "safe area, stay behind area" concept within our war plans." 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

On Page 52 of Understanding Special Operations and their impact on The Vietnam War Era, Prouty says: 

"This was the original role of Special Forces. "Special Forces" were created for that post-strike purpose; that's why they existed. That's why Special Forces was so close to the CIA. Because the CIA had the responsibility, in the war plan, for opening up the contacts with people in these selected areas through agent networks - which were quite precarious. The agent networks were built on the old "Gehlen" organization from World War II. 

   People have wondered what the pattern was for CIA to take over so much of the old Nazi intelligence organization, under General Gehlen, and then turn right around and use it. This was one of it's major uses. It was immediately turned back on the Soviet Union, and that's where Gehlen's Nazi intelligence was the best anyway. Gehlen had perfected Eastern bloc intelligence for the Nazis when he was the chief of East European intelligence for Hitler. And now he was very much a part of the American intelligence for Hitler. And now he was very much a part of the American intelligence system, but focused on the same people: the Ukraine and Eastern Europe. 

It is quite an amazing event in history, to think that Hitler's chief of intelligence, Reinhardt Gehlen, became a U.S. Army general by act of Congress and his job was intelligence for the United States. And almost no break in service - he was a German general right up to a certain day and then all of a sudden he was an American general. But this is all on the record and this is what he was doing. American Army Special Forces troops were designed for this "safe area, stay behind area" concept within our war plans." 

 

 

 

 

This is literally the case I was trying to make with my COL. Prouty Operation BLOODSTONE thread.

 

COL. Prouty knew exactly what forces he was arming and aiding when he was the CIA's military focal-point officer from 1955 to 1964.

 

COL. Prouty was arming functionaries of the Holocaust in Europe.

 

End of story.

 

Hence, my belief that his writings and public interviews are nothing more than limited hangouts.

 

COL. Prouty barely scratched the surface of the astronomical amount of information he had floating around in his head, and gave only the most vague details in his pronouncements against Western Intelligence's co-opting and utilization of war-criminals like Generalleutnant Reinhard Gehlen...

 

 

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1 hour ago, Robert Montenegro said:

 

 

This is literally the case I was trying to make with my COL. Prouty Operation BLOODSTONE thread.

 

COL. Prouty knew exactly what forces he was arming and aiding when he was the CIA's military focal-point officer from 1955 to 1964.

 

COL. Prouty was arming functionaries of the Holocaust in Europe.

 

End of story.

 

Hence, my belief that his writings and public interviews are nothing more than limited hangouts.

 

COL. Prouty barely scratched the surface of the astronomical amount of information he had floating around in his head, and gave only the most vague details in his pronouncements against Western Intelligence's co-opting and utilization of war-criminals like Generalleutnant Reinhard Gehlen...

 

 

Did it ever occur to you that the files were classified until recently... 

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On 7/27/2023 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Koch said:

Did it ever occur to you that the files were classified until recently... 

 

That is an extremely difficult question to answer.

 

Some documents are released under different record numbers, different headers or even cross-refenced in other documents.

 

That is kind of a nightmare question—I really could not say, in the affirmative, when any one document was electronically generated.

 

 

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