If LHO was being framed...

[Jean Ceulemans]

If Oswald was being framed, the patsy, wouldn't he have known the people framing him ?

Wouldn't he as such have knowledge of a plan that could or not have included the actual klling of the president

Doesn't that make him guilty by association that plan ?

He said he was just a patsy, so he must have known what was going on ?

Did he say he was a patsy before they had informed him they found ...  his/ or the / or a ....  rifle ?  

IOW If he was totally innocent, would he have used the word Patsy ?  

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Jean Ceulemans

[Marcus Fuller]

From my own personal perspective I'd suggest that he might not have known specific details regarding who was doing the actual framing, but that he was more than aware of those who were not exactly stepping forward to help him. 

[Cory Santos]

He left his ring.   He left the TSBD without checking out.   Clearly he was not clueless.  

[Michaleen Kilroy]

5 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

He left his ring.   He left the TSBD without checking out.   Clearly he was not clueless.  

There’s a good possibility he left his ring because he wore his Marine ring that day which in those days was worn on the ring finger. 
 

If you figure out you’re the patsy, that may also be the reason he left to get a gun. He had no clear escape plan.

[Benjamin Cole]

11 hours ago, Jean Ceulemans said:

If Oswald was being framed, the patsy, wouldn't he have known the people framing him ?

Wouldn't he as such have knowledge of a plan that could or not have included the actual klling of the president

Doesn't that make him guilty by association that plan ?

He said he was just a patsy, so he must have known what was going on ?

Did he say he was a patsy before they had informed him they found ...  his/ or the / or a ....  rifle ?  

IOW If he was totally innocent, would he have used the word Patsy ?  

 

 

LHO may have thought he was participating in a false flag op, to be blamed on Castro. Someone would shoot at JFK, but miss.

Obviously, things went awry, and LHO figured out quickly he was the patsy. He went home and got his revolver. Tried to hide in a movie theater. He knew something. Which is why he was murdered. 

My take is LHO was a CIA asset, and other CIA assets convinced him to participate in the day's events. 

Even if the other CIA assets were "rogue," that is hardly a headline the CIA could afford. "Three CIA assets murder the US President." 

There were literally thousands of CIA assets in the US at the time, due to the Cuba situation. Cuban exiles, mercs, retired military, contractors, CIA'ers and so on.  Many were angered by what they perceived as JFK's betrayal of Cuban anti-Castro elements. 

I would accept the story that LHO had become mentally ill or deranged, except for one fact: The shots that strike JFK and JBC are timed to closely to have been fired by a lone gunman armed with single-shot bolt-action rifle.  

So what is the government covering up? 

 

 

 

 

[Marcus Fuller]

50 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

My take is LHO was a CIA asset, and other CIA assets convinced him to participate in the day's events. 

You've likely already seen this so apologies in advance if you have. I saw the memo in a YouTube video and copied it word for word as I have no idea where to find the original. I think it was one of the released files.

 

Memorandum

Date - March 3, 1964

C0 - 2 - 34,030

To - Mr James J. Rowley
Chief, U.S. Secret Service

From - Mr. John McCone
Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Central Intelligence Report on the Assassination of John F. Kennedy

In response to the request made by your office on 24 February 1964 re: Lee Oswald's activities and assignments on behalf of this agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation, there follows a narrative summary of the internal subversive activities of the Oswald subject.

Oswald subject was trained by this agency, under cover of the Office of Naval Intelligence, for Soviet assignments. During preliminary training, in 1957, subject was active in aerial reconnaissance of mainland China and maintained a security clearance up to the "confidential" level. 

Subject received additional indoctrination at our own Camp Peary site from September 8 to October 17, 1958, and participated in a few relatively minor assignments until arrangements were made for his entry into the Soviet Union in September 1959. While in the Soviet Union, he was on special assignment in the area of Minsk, it would not be advantageous at this time to divulge the specifics of that assignment.

[Benjamin Cole]

1 minute ago, Marcus Fuller said:

You've likely already seen this so apologies in advance if you have. I saw the memo in a YouTube video and copied it word for word as I have no idea where to find the original. I think it was one of the released files.

 

Memorandum

Date - March 3, 1964

C0 - 2 - 34,030

To - Mr James J. Rowley
Chief, U.S. Secret Service

From - Mr. John McCone
Director, Central Intelligence Agency

Central Intelligence Report on the Assassination of John F. Kennedy

In response to the request made by your office on 24 February 1964 re: Lee Oswald's activities and assignments on behalf of this agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation, there follows a narrative summary of the internal subversive activities of the Oswald subject.

Oswald subject was trained by this agency, under cover of the Office of Naval Intelligence, for Soviet assignments. During preliminary training, in 1957, subject was active in aerial reconnaissance of mainland China and maintained a security clearance up to the "confidential" level. 

Subject received additional indoctrination at our own Camp Peary site from September 8 to October 17, 1958, and participated in a few relatively minor assignments until arrangements were made for his entry into the Soviet Union in September 1959. While in the Soviet Union, he was on special assignment in the area of Minsk, it would not be advantageous at this time to divulge the specifics of that assignment.

Marcus--

Thanks for posting. The authenticity of that particular memo has been challenged. 

There are many pitfalls in the JFKA research. Some people create fake documents.

Indeed E Howard Hunt was working for Nixon (or the CIA, who knows which) in the fabrication of fake State Department cables. 

The one true thing James Angleton said was that intel work is a "wilderness of mirrors." 

I still strongly suspect LHO was a CIA or intel-state asset. 

 

 

 

[Marcus Fuller]

Just now, Benjamin Cole said:

Marcus--

Thanks for posting. The authenticity of that particular memo has been challenged. 

There are many pitfalls in the JFKA research. Some people create fake documents.

Indeed E Howard Hunt was working for Nixon (or the CIA, who knows which) in the fabrication of fake State Department cables. 

The one true thing James Angleton said was that intel work is a "wilderness of mirrors." 

I still strongly suspect LHO was a CIA or intel-state asset. 

Ahh ok, thank you. I can only really go by hunches at the moment but I can't see why Oswald would have contacted the FBI when he was arrested for the fight he had if he didn't have some links. 

[Benjamin Cole]

5 hours ago, Marcus Fuller said:

Ahh ok, thank you. I can only really go by hunches at the moment but I can't see why Oswald would have contacted the FBI when he was arrested for the fight he had if he didn't have some links. 

Marcus--

Setting aside the horrible gravity of the event for a moment, the JFKA is the greatest detective story of all time. 

Not only that, as you spend years reading about the JFKA, you will absorb lessons on government, media, interest groups, elites,  propaganda, and learn a lot of history too. 

As a serious hobby or avocation, it won't cost that much, and knowledge is sometimes its own reward. 

But, there will be times you wish you had taken up gardening instead. 

[Jean Ceulemans]

Now, we know he made contacts with the FPCC, the Socialist Party, DRE and the Russians.

In my book those don't add up, because of conflicting interests o/c

It looks like he made those contacts because he was asked to do so, or was he so screwed up that he did not see the differences, I don't think so.  For his ideals ?  Nope...

And what about him - near the end - joining the ACLU, did he know something was about to happen ?  

A man with a plan, or a puppet on a string ? 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Jean Ceulemans

[Michaleen Kilroy]

19 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

I would accept the story that LHO had become mentally ill or deranged, except for one fact: The shots that strike JFK and JBC are timed to closely to have been fired by a lone gunman armed with single-shot bolt-action rifle.  

There’s really two Oswald’s at least in personality.

One is the guy giving a level-headed speech about his time in Russia at Tulane University, never once mentioning Castro btw even though it was the anniversary of the revolution. And there’s the guy the boarding house owners say who wanted the room nearest people and broke up a fight between two kids in their family.

Then there’s the ‘fanatic’ willing to cross any line to achieve his goals:

- the ‘suicide’ attempt to get in Russia 

- telling a DRE member to ‘hit me’ during the fracas in NO

- brandishing a gun in the Soviet embassy in MC and creating a scene

The question is - why was he only ‘mentally unstable’ in political situations?

It appears to me he would do anything asked of him to meet the goals of an operation. That could include shooting Tippit as SOP - don’t let anyone get in your way if an operation goes south.

There were plenty of coffeehouse communists to hang out with in the early 60s. Oswald never once sought them out. He was clean cut, didn’t drink and was publicly polite and reasoned unless he was ‘on the clock’ as an intel asset.

Figuring out who he was is key to getting a final understanding of the JFKA. It’s amazing after 60 years no one has gotten close. That’s one helluva good cover.

[Jean Ceulemans]

1 hour ago, Michaleen Kilroy said:

Figuring out who he was is key to getting a final understanding of the JFKA. It’s amazing after 60 years no one has gotten close. 

Oswald is indeed an enigma. As it is now, his actions are beyond understanding.

What if he had lived to stand trial... I don't think we'll ever know.

 

[Benjamin Cole]

3 hours ago, Michaleen Kilroy said:

There’s really two Oswald’s at least in personality.

One is the guy giving a level-headed speech about his time in Russia at Tulane University, never once mentioning Castro btw even though it was the anniversary of the revolution. And there’s the guy the boarding house owners say who wanted the room nearest people and broke up a fight between two kids in their family.

Then there’s the ‘fanatic’ willing to cross any line to achieve his goals:

- the ‘suicide’ attempt to get in Russia 

- telling a DRE member to ‘hit me’ during the fracas in NO

- brandishing a gun in the Soviet embassy in MC and creating a scene

The question is - why was he only ‘mentally unstable’ in political situations?

It appears to me he would do anything asked of him to meet the goals of an operation. That could include shooting Tippit as SOP - don’t let anyone get in your way if an operation goes south.

There were plenty of coffeehouse communists to hang out with in the early 60s. Oswald never once sought them out. He was clean cut, didn’t drink and was publicly polite and reasoned unless he was ‘on the clock’ as an intel asset.

Figuring out who he was is key to getting a final understanding of the JFKA. It’s amazing after 60 years no one has gotten close. That’s one helluva good cover.

MK--

Excellent points, well-framed. 

It might help if JFKA researchers could get ahold of the docs pertaining to George Joannides' time in New Orleans, which coincide with LHO's time in New Orleans. 

For some reason, those docs, 60 years old, would pose a clear and present danger to US national security if released---or so says the present Puppet-Dictator-in-Chief. 

So it goes.

[Lawrence Schnapf]

I suspect he may have been aware that there was going to be a "demonstration" to protest JFK policy regarding Cuba and was not aware there would be an assassination attempt. 

[Benjamin Cole]

4 hours ago, Lawrence Schnapf said:

I suspect he may have been aware that there was going to be a "demonstration" to protest JFK policy regarding Cuba and was not aware there would be an assassination attempt. 

That could be. 

But the creation of an LHO paper trail of gun ownership suggests what was planned was false flag failed JFKA attempt. 

As pointed out by thousands, LHO could have bought rifles and handguns anywhere in Texas, while wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses with minimal conversation, or even faking a British accent, etc.  No ID.

My guess is LHO was told the mysterious Alek Hiddel would get the blame for a missed shot, and a body would be found with Hiddel's ID on it, or something to that effect. 

Just IMHO....