T.F. Bowley, A Wind-Up Wristwatch & 1:17

[Kevin Balch]

6 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

Because he rode a bus to get to the theater.

 

Oswald was waiting at a bus stop but on the wrong side of the street for a bus that would take him to the Texas Theatre. Oswald was familiar enough with the bus system and Oak Cliff to know this.

It’s possible that Oswald was still uncertain as to where he wanted to go. But then that conflicts with going to the theatre specifically to meet a contact.

Another problem with taking the bus to the theatre is that would have involved taking the Beckley bus. Oswald had the option of taking the Beckley bus after he left the TSBD but he chose the Marsalis bus. Perhaps he was concerned about being recognized by the driver and passengers since this is presumably the bus he took to get to and from work.

[Tom Gram]

24 minutes ago, Kevin Balch said:

Another problem with taking the bus to the theatre is that would have involved taking the Beckley bus. Oswald had the option of taking the Beckley bus after he left the TSBD but he chose the Marsalis bus. Perhaps he was concerned about being recognized by the driver and passengers since this is presumably the bus he took to get to and from work.

This is a fair point, and brings up a related issue. You’d think the Beckley bus drivers and passengers would’ve been some pretty important people to interview, but as far as I know, no investigation of that sort was ever conducted. I know @Ed LeDoux has looked into this angle a bit: 

https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t2511-beckley-bus?highlight=Beckley

I’m not very familiar with the bus routes. If Oswald wanted to take a bus to the theater from DP, would it still have been possible to make a pit stop in Oak Cliff from that route? 

[Kevin Balch]

10 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:

The only explanation I have seen that attempts to make sense of why Oswald would be at Tenth and Patton is that of Burt Griffin's recent book, and it is possible Myers also said something like this somewhere: that Oswald was on his way to a Marsallis bus stop, where he would use his transfer and get to a Greyhound bus station by city bus, from where he might then take a bus to Mexico which he could afford with the $11.20 or whatever it was he had in his pocket. (If this was an escape, it was not a very well-planned one.) 

THIS is my big problem with the standard account of the Tippit killing.

Even if you use the rapid walking paces (~ 4 mph) of re-enactments of Oswald’s walk, there is not enough time for Oswald to reach Marsalis, take the time (perhaps several minutes?) to conclude that he must travel west down 10th Street and arrive to encounter Tippit at 1:14:30 (Myer’s estimate) or even later times. Myers does not explain WHY Oswald turns around to end up encountering Tippit but a turnaround is necessary to explain why no one saw Oswald cross Patton while traveling east just before encountering Tippit while there are witnesses that saw him walking west just prior to the Tippit encounter.

The other problem with the standard account is why would Tippit’s killer change direction after the killing? Anyone walking at the pace Oswald is supposed to have walked at is not “just walking around aimlessly” but has a definite destination in mind. It makes a lot more sense that Tippit’s killer continued on his original direction of travel (west).

[Richard Bertolino]

4 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

I owe you an apology. While the Dallas Police transcript shows the caller to be "78", ( Tippit ) the FBI transcript shows the callers to be two different units, the first being "58" and the second being "488". I went back and listened to the audio and the FBI transcript is correct. The two calls made at 1:08 that the Dallas Police attributed to Tippit were not made by him. This is the FBI transcript and I've added the audio to show this to be true.

Note: The FBI did not transcribe all the the broadcasts only those they felt were pertinent. So you're going to hear exchanges that are not on the transcript. 

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/the-two-78s.mp4

I erred in saying that both versions of the radio transcripts had the same information. I also erred in taking the Dallas PD version as gospel without comparing it to the FBI version. When I did and found the conflict between the two transcripts, I went back and studied the audio and found that the FBI transcript was the correct one.

I apologize to anyone who was misled. The two calls to dispatch made at 1:08 were NOT made by Tippit.

But that doesn't mean he was killed at 1:15.

I did not expect that. Apology accepted, and thank you. The radio traffic is a treacherous topic, and I never meant to imply that you altered anything.

[Kevin Balch]

The issue of Bowley’s reported 1:10 arrival time at the Tippit murder could be settled if it can be determined whether he had arranged to pick up his daughter at 12:55 (perhaps between classes) or at 1:00 PM (an even time for convenience).

Bowley’s son-in-law made a comment on a Youtube video about the Tippit murder remarking that his wife had been at the scene with her father. I asked him if she remembered what the arrangements were made for her being picked up early from school that day but never received an answer.

It was too early for anyone to leave early because of the JFK assassination because his death had not yet been announced.

My recollection of my own and other’s experience of being dismissed early from school was that it was at a time of convenience which often happened right in the middle of a class.

[Bill Brown]

On 4/12/2024 at 6:44 AM, Gil Jesus said:

All speculation.

Bowley was never called to testify. The only statement he made was an affidavit taken by an unknown officer ( 24 H 202 ). In that affidavit, he stated, "I looked at my watch and it said 1:10 pm." He leaves no doubt what time his watch displayed.

When you claim his watch was 5 minutes slow, you're speculating without any evidence to back it up, choosing to "explain what makes sense" instead of looking at the evidence to the contrary.

There is overwhelming and corroborating evidence that the murder occurred before 1:15.

Bowley's time of 1:10 pm for his arrival is corroborated by other evidence.

Firstly, if the murder occured at or after 1:15, Helen Markham is not standing on the corner. She's on her bus and well on her way to work.

Markham had been walking along Patton on her way to "catch the 1:15 bus" to work at the corner of Patton and East Jefferson, one block from the shooting. She told the Commission that she had left her house a little "after 1:00", walked one block to Tenth and Patton and placed the time of the shooting at 1:06 - 1:07 pm.

Mr. BALL. You think it was a little after 1?

Mrs. MARKHAM. I wouldn't be afraid to bet it wasn't 6 or 7 minutes after 1.

Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?

Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.

Mr. BALL. So it was before 1:15 ?

Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it was.

( 3 H 306 )

The time of the shooting HAD to have been before 1:15, otherwise Mrs. Markham was never going to get her bus.

Helen Markham had to walk two blocks to catch her bus. She had only walked one block when she witnessed the murder. The 1:15 time for the shooting is ridiculous for two reasons: it implies that either Mrs. Markham left her house too late to catch her bus, or that she would have taken over ten minutes to walk that one block.

Markham's sworn affidavit put the time of the murder at "approximately" 1:06 pm:

Markham's estimation that the shooting occurred at 1:06 is completely consistent with her walk to the bus stop taking a total of 10-12 minutes. This is supported by the schedule of the bus Mrs. Markham was trying to catch, which indicates that the time the bus would get to Patton and Jefferson was 1:12 pm.

You can't have Markham on the corner at 1:15 AND the murder occurring at that time.

Her bus arrives at Patton Ave and East Jefferson at 1:12 and leaves at 1:15. She can't be one block away at 1:15 and still catch her bus.

Either you have the crime occurring after 1:15 pm and Markham is on her bus, or you have Markham on the corner witnessing the murder BEFORE 1:15.

But you can't have it both ways. The evidence doesn't support it.

Tippit's last radio broadcast ( Car 78 ) was at 1:08 pm. At that time, he was still alive.

The evidence now indicates that the time of the murder was between the 1:08 of his last transmission and the 1:12 arrival of Mrs. Markham's bus.

Secondly, there are the transcripts of the police log.

Commission Document 1420 is the transcript of the Dallas police log for 11/22/63. It shows that T.F. Bowley made the original call on the radio at 1:16 ( page 52 ).

BUT the ambulance WENT TO THE WRONG LOCATION before it arrived at the Tippit shooting scene. On page 54, The ambulance responding to the call ( 602 ) radioes that he's arrived at the scene, ( Code 6 ) the time is noted as 1:19. Then he asks, "what's that address on Jefferson ?" He's redirected by the dispatch to a second wrong address, "501 East Tenth".

On the next page, the ambulance once again indicates a Code 6 ( out at destination ).

On the following page, although the ambulance has already arrived, there is a second use of the police car radio by a civilian ( highlighted in blue ) to report the shooting.

Why on earth would someone use the police radio to report the shooting a second time if the ambulance was already on the scene ? Is this evidence that the dictabelt has been tampered with ?

Thirdly, witnesses in the neighborhood placed the time of the shooting closer to 1:00 pm, rather than after 1:15.

Ted Callaway " about 1 pm" ( 24 H 204 )
Sam Guinyard "about 1pm" ( 24 H 210 )
Barbara Davis "a few minutes after 1pm" ( CD 87, pg. 556 )
Domingo Benavides " it was about 1 o'clock" ( 6 H 446 )

Francis Kinneth "approximately 1 pm" ( Oswald 201 file, Vol 25, part 2 of 2, pg. 119 )
Frank Cimino "around 1pm" ( Oswald 201 file, Vol. 8, pg. 239 )

Mrs. Higgins "heard the shots and ran out her front door to see Tippit lying in the street. She said it was 1:06. She knew that because she was watching TV and the announcer said it. So she automatically checked her clock when he said it and he was right." ( Barry Ernest interview with Mrs. Higgins from his book, "The Girl on the Stairs", 2010 )

Not one witness puts the murder later than 1:10 pm.

Fourthly, Dallas Police Officers Davenport and Bardin escorted the ambulance with Tippit's body to Methodist Hospital. Their report indicates that Tippit was pronounced dead at 1:15 pm.

Not only was Tippit pronounced dead, he was pronounced "dead on arrival ". The term D.O.A. means that the victim was "dead on arrival" or "dead on admission" to the hospital. In the case of a D.O.A., doctors at the hospital have no way of knowing when a victim actually lost his life, so the time of pronunciation of death is based on the time of arrival at the hospital, hence dead-on-ARRIVAL.

The report of the officers is corroborated by the "Permit for Autopsy" , which states that Tippit was indeed "dead on arrival" and that the time of his arrival was 1:15 pm.

Tippit couldn't have been shot later than  1:15 as the Commission ( and you ) contend if his body was arriving D.O.A. at the hospital at 1:15.

Fifthly, in his interview with the House Select Committee on Assassinations, in September 1977, ambulance driver Jasper Clayton Butler said that from the time the ambulance company got the call to the time Tippit was pronounced dead was "approximately four minutes."

This puts the call from police to the ambulance company at 1:11, again, consistent with Bowley's arrival time of 1:10 and Tippit's last use of the radio at 1:08. 

This puts the killing in the 1:08-1:10 range, a physical impossibility for Oswald to have been in that location if he left his roominghouise a few minutes after 1:00.

Sixthly, there is evidence that the FBI tampered with the written record.

The FBI claimed that it interviewed Dr. Richard Liquori, who pronounced Tippit dead and that Liquori stated that he pronounced Tippit dead at 1:25 pm.

But if you look closely at the time, the original time was handwritten over to read 1:25.

And this wasn't the only document the FBI changed the time by hand to read "1:25". They did the same thing in their report on the records of the Dudley Hughes Funeral Home.

Dr. Liquori was never called to testify. A homicide case where the doctor who pronounces the victim dead is never called to testify ?

I suggest to the reader that these documents originally said "1:15" and the second "1" was altered by hand to a "2 ".

Seventhly, and finally, more than one witness claimed to have seen Oswald BEFORE Tippit was murdered, more than 3/4 of a mile from the murder scene.

Perhaps the most damaging evidence to an Oswald-killed-Tippit scenario comes from the man who ran the concession stand at the Texas Theater, Warren ( Butch ) Burroughs, who said he saw Oswald enter the Texas Theater between 1:00 and 1:07 pm.

 

Burroughs said that Oswald had purchased popcorn about 1:15 and then sat next to a pregnant woman who went to the bathroom and then disappeared.

A second witness who puts Oswald inside the Texas Theater at the time of the Tippit killing was Jack Davis.

Author Bill Simpich writes, "Burroughs’ story was corroborated by eighteen-year-old Jack Davis, never questioned by the Warren Commission, who remembered at 1:15 seeing Oswald squeeze in right next to him at the mostly deserted theater during the opening credits to the movie, then got up quickly and sat down next to someone else. Davis stated that Oswald sat next to him and then another patron before going out to the lobby."

Documentation indicates that Tippit was pronounced dead on arrival at Methodist Hospital at 1:15. Given the four minute approximate that it took for the ambulance to respond to the call and transport the fallen officer, I believe that the timeline supports that Tippit was killed before 1:11. I believe he was killed between 1:08 and 1:10.

Tippit's last broadcast was at 1:08 pm. He called dispatch twice and got no response.

T.F. Bowley came upon Tippit lying in the street, looked at his watch and it said 1:10.

If Tippit was killed AFTER 1:15, Helen Markham and T. F. Bowley would not have been witnesses. Markham would have been on her bus and Bowley would have already picked up his daughter at school.

The documented evidence supports a shooting timeline prior to 1:15 pm, probably in the 1:08-1:10 range, too early for Oswald to have walked to the scene from his roominghouse, even if he left at 1:00 pm.

When it comes to the time of the murder, you can believe the dictabelt or you can believe the mountain of corroborating evidence to the contrary.

But the timing of the Tippit murder as proof for or aganist Oswald's guilt becomes insignificant when you consider that Oswald had an alibi. Two witnesses ( Burroughs and Davis ) saw Oswald in the Texas Theater at or before 1:15 pm and their corroborating accounts make it impossible for him to have been Tippit's killer.

Learn the case.

 

 

"The report of the officers is corroborated by the "Permit for Autopsy" , which states that Tippit was indeed "dead on arrival" and that the time of his arrival was 1:15 pm."

 

No.

It doesn't say that at all.

Why do you continually misquote and misrepresent?

 

[Gil Jesus]

5 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

 

"The report of the officers is corroborated by the "Permit for Autopsy" , which states that Tippit was indeed "dead on arrival" and that the time of his arrival was 1:15 pm."

 

No.

It doesn't say that at all.

Why do you continually misquote and misrepresent?

 

It's been explained to you in the paragraph previous to the one you cited.

Please try to keep up.

[Bill Brown]

2 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

It's been explained to you in the paragraph previous to the one you cited.

Please try to keep up.

 

No.  Again, no.

The Supplementary Offense Report is not an official medical document, in regards to Tippit's time of death and/or when he was pronounced dead.  It was given by Davenport, who was the police officer who followed the ambulance to Methodist Hospital.

The only document that matters says that Tippit was D.O.A.

It also says that his time of death was 1:15.

However, it does NOT say that Tippit was pronounced D.O.A. at 1:15, as you'd have others believe.

 

 

 

[Richard Bertolino]

Time of death seems to apply to the time at which the doctor declared the person dead. Even Dale Myers recognized this, explaining why he had to obtain a statement that the clocks at Baylor were slow or fast or something. Whatever. Myers talked to some doctor, not the one responsible for Tippit, who allegedly gave Myers the excuse. I think the name was Moellenhoff. But Dale Myers never lets us see his interviews and we have his Jack Tatum example to judge him by. Gil Jesus is right here when he lines up the evidence for an early shooting, at least so far as Bowley, Markham and the autopsy permit go. That is solid evidence for an early shooting time. We also have solid evidence for a later shooting time, the DPD radio recording. AS usual with this case, you can believe whatever you want. Funny how that happens.

[Richard Bertolino]

On 4/14/2024 at 11:55 PM, Richard Bertolino said:

Time of death seems to apply to the time at which the doctor declared the person dead. Even Dale Myers recognized this, explaining why he had to obtain a statement that the clocks at Baylor were slow or fast or something. Whatever. Myers talked to some doctor, not the one responsible for Tippit, who allegedly gave Myers the excuse. I think the name was Moellenhoff. But Dale Myers never lets us see his interviews and we have his Jack Tatum example to judge him by. Gil Jesus is right here when he lines up the evidence for an early shooting, at least so far as Bowley, Markham and the autopsy permit go. That is solid evidence for an early shooting time. We also have solid evidence for a later shooting time, the DPD radio recording. AS usual with this case, you can believe whatever you want. Funny how that happens.

Of course, Bill Brown knows all of this. That's how I know. I certainly would not buy the Myers book. The attacked jpg shows Brown's August 29, 2020 post to this forum.
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[Gil Jesus]

7 hours ago, Richard Bertolino said:

Of course, Bill Brown knows all of this. That's how I know. I certainly would not buy the Myers book. The attacked jpg shows Brown's August 29, 2020 post to this forum.
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Mr. Brown has provided no evidence to support his claim ( the subject of this thread ) that Bowley's watch was slow and that the killing occurred at 1:17.

Mr. Brown does not tell you that the average time of Bowley's trip between the Robert L. Thornton Elementary School, where he picked up his daughter at "approximately 12:55", to the Tippit murder scene was 14 minutes, completely consistent with Bowley's arrival at 1:10 pm. 

In addition, Mr. Brown fails to explain why Helen Markham was on the corner of 10th and Patton at 1:15 when she should have been on her bus at that time.

As I've explained before: you can't have the shooting either at or after 1:15 and have Markham on the corner. It doesn't add up. So either Markham is on the corner and the shooting is BEFORE 1:15, or the shooting is at or AFTER 1:15 and Markham is on her bus.

Mr. Brown also fails to tell us ( if Tippit was killed instantly at 1:15 ) how Judge Joe Brown knew that when he issued the permit for the autopsy. 

Mr. Brown also fails to tell us how the time of death is determined when a victim is D.O.A.

Doctors only use a clock to declare a victim dead if the victim displays signs of life when admitted, as in the case of President Kennedy. The President was making an effort to breathe, so the doctors decided to resuscitate him. That effort began with establishing an airway. When efforts to resuscitate him were exhausted, Dr. Clark declared him dead. Although the clock inidcated the time was earlier, the doctor decided that the official time would be 1:00 pm, in order to give LBJ time to get to Love Field.

The point is that times-of-death are determined in different ways depending on the circumstances. In the case of a D.O.A. ( such as this was ) the time of death is not determined by the time of injury. It is determined by the time of arrival at the hospital, hence "Dead-On-ARRIVAL". If the autopsy request says the body was dead on arrival and the time of death was 1:15, then the body arrived at the hospital at 1:15. 

It's not rocket science but apparently Mr. Brown doesn't get it.

Mr. Brown also does not tell you why, when the FBI realized that they had a problem with different times of the murder, they instructed the Dallas office to " make sure our times jibe".

Were they ordering the Dallas FBI to alter the times in their reports ? Apparently yes, because the next day, that's exactly what they did. In this report, the time Tippit was pronounced dead has been altered.

As I've said before, if you look closely at the time, the original time was altered to read 1:25.

 

And this wasn't the only document the FBI changed the time to read "1:25". They did the same thing in their report on the records of the Dudley Hughes Funeral Home, the ambulance company that transported Tippit. On this document, the time has been altered by hand.

It's obvious to anyone looking at these documents that they were altered. The first was typed over, the second was altered by hand. All of this in order to make the times "jibe".

Mr. Brown also failed to respond when I asked him why the dictabelt indicates that Ted Callaway made a second citizen call for help AFTER the ambulance had already arrived.

Mr. Brown also fails to tells us why the record shows that taxi driver William Scoggins radioed his dispatcher for an ambulance ( 3 H 326 ) at 1:25 ( CD 5, pg. 78 ) when Tippit's body was already at Methodist Hospital. 

There are a lot of things Mr. Brown doesn't tell you about this case. Probably because Dale Myers never addresses it.

Of course this whole timing issue could have been resolved by the doctor who pronounced Tippit dead, but Dr. Liquori was never called to testify. Why not ?

Does Dale Myers address any of these issues ? Because Mr. Brown doesn't.

The "Oswald-did-it" timeline only worked if Tippit was shot at 1:15 or after. A week after the assassination, the FBI knew that. They ordered the Dallas Office to make sure their records reflected that. The altering of these documents causes me to question the motive behind those alterations. I believe that the record was altered to hide the fact that Tippit was murdered sometime between 1:06 and 1:10 and that Oswald could not have been that killer.

But for folks like Dale Myers and Mr. Brown, there's nothing to see here.

Edited April 15 by Gil Jesus

[Gerry Down]

1 hour ago, Gil Jesus said:

Mr. Brown has provided no evidence to support his claim ( the subject of this thread ) that Bowley's watch was slow and that the killing occurred at 1:17.

Mr. Brown does not tell you that the average time of Bowley's trip between the Robert L. Thornton Elementary School, where he picked up his daughter at "approximately 12:55", to the Tippit murder scene was 14 minutes, completely consistent with Bowley's arrival at 1:10 pm. 

In addition, Mr. Brown fails to explain why Helen Markham was on the corner of 10th and Patton at 1:15 when she should have been on her bus at that time.

As I've explained before: you can't have the shooting either at or after 1:15 and have Markham on the corner. It doesn't add up. So either Markham is on the corner and the shooting is BEFORE 1:15, or the shooting is at or AFTER 1:15 and Markham is on her bus.

Mr. Brown also fails to tell us ( if Tippit was killed instantly at 1:15 ) how Judge Joe Brown knew that when he issued the permit for the autopsy. 

Mr. Brown also fails to tell us how the time of death is determined when a victim is D.O.A.

Doctors only use a clock to declare a victim dead if the victim displays signs of life when admitted, as in the case of President Kennedy. The President was making an effort to breathe, so the doctors decided to resuscitate him. That effort began with establishing an airway. When efforts to resuscitate him were exhausted, Dr. Clark declared him dead. Although the clock inidcated the time was earlier, the doctor decided that the official time would be 1:00 pm, in order to give LBJ time to get to Love Field.

The point is that times-of-death are determined in different ways depending on the circumstances. In the case of a D.O.A. ( such as this was ) the time of death is not determined by the time of injury. It is determined by the time of arrival at the hospital, hence "Dead-On-ARRIVAL". If the autopsy request says the body was dead on arrival and the time of death was 1:15, then the body arrived at the hospital at 1:15. 

It's not rocket science but apparently Mr. Brown doesn't get it.

Mr. Brown also does not tell you why, when the FBI realized that they had a problem with different times of the murder, they instructed the Dallas office to " make sure our times jibe".

Were they ordering the Dallas FBI to alter the times in their reports ? Apparently yes, because the next day, that's exactly what they did. In this report, the time Tippit was pronounced dead has been altered.

As I've said before, if you look closely at the time, the original time was altered to read 1:25.

 

And this wasn't the only document the FBI changed the time to read "1:25". They did the same thing in their report on the records of the Dudley Hughes Funeral Home, the ambulance company that transported Tippit. On this document, the time has been altered by hand.

It's obvious to anyone looking at these documents that they were altered. The first was typed over, the second was altered by hand. All of this in order to make the times "jibe".

Mr. Brown also failed to respond when I asked him why the dictabelt indicates that Ted Callaway made a second citizen call for help AFTER the ambulance had already arrived.

Mr. Brown also fails to tells us why the record shows that taxi driver William Scoggins radioed his dispatcher for an ambulance ( 3 H 326 ) at 1:25 ( CD 5, pg. 78 ) when Tippit's body was already at Methodist Hospital. 

There are a lot of things Mr. Brown doesn't tell you about this case. Probably because Dale Myers never addresses it.

Of course this whole timing issue could have been resolved by the doctor who pronounced Tippit dead, but Dr. Liquori was never called to testify. Why not ?

Does Dale Myers address any of these issues ? Because Mr. Brown doesn't.

The "Oswald-did-it" timeline only worked if Tippit was shot at 1:15 or after. A week after the assassination, the FBI knew that. They ordered the Dallas Office to make sure their records reflected that. The altering of these documents causes me to question the motive behind those alterations. I believe that the record was altered to hide the fact that Tippit was murdered sometime between 1:06 and 1:10 and that Oswald could not have been that killer.

But for folks like Dale Myers and Mr. Brown, there's nothing to see here.

JFKA researcher Michael Brownlow investigated the Tippit shooting for many years and interviewed many of the witnesses. He confirmed Oswald shot Tippit.

[Kevin Balch]

3 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

JFKA researcher Michael Brownlow investigated the Tippit shooting for many years and interviewed many of the witnesses. He confirmed Oswald shot Tippit.

Michael Brownlow has an interesting account of the Tippit killing. His account does explain how Oswald was able to get into a position to be walking west on 10th street and what his destination was within the allowed time since leaving the rooming house. I had wondered if Oswald might have walked or hitchhiked down Colorado to Marsalis to try to use his transfer on the Marsalis bus. I’ve always been skeptical of Oswald being picked up from the rooming house in a police car as police cars draw a lot of attention.

 

[Gil Jesus]

40 minutes ago, Kevin Balch said:

Michael Brownlow has an interesting account of the Tippit killing. His account does explain how Oswald was able to get into a position to be walking west on 10th street and what his destination was within the allowed time since leaving the rooming house. I had wondered if Oswald might have walked or hitchhiked down Colorado to Marsalis to try to use his transfer on the Marsalis bus. I’ve always been skeptical of Oswald being picked up from the rooming house in a police car as police cars draw a lot of attention.

 

Good story teller, but provides no evidence.

This guy's full of baloney.

A police officer picked up Oswald, but he never tells you who. Only that it wasn't Tippit. How does he know ? Who's his source ?

And who is Mr and Mrs. Malcolm, who allegedly witnessed the murder of Tippit but are never mentioned in the official records ?

Who was the blonde in the '62 Ford who smashed into the back of Tippit's cruiser ? Why isn't she mentioned by any of the witnesses ? Why is there no accident report in the Dallas police files ? And why isn't there any damage in the rear of the cruiser ?

He claims that the limo had a glass partition between the front seat and the rest of the car. But it didn't.

This guy tells a good story but it's the official version with some of his BS speculation added in. He interviewed people but he presents no recordings, no videos and no documents  to prove his case.

Mr. Down writes : "JFKA researcher Michael Brownlow investigated the Tippit shooting for many years and interviewed many of the witnesses. He confirmed Oswald shot Tippit."

If he "confirmed Oswald shot Tippit" I'd have no questions.

I guess you have to buy his books to find out the answers to your questions. That should tell you something.

SMH.

[Kevin Balch]

26 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

A police officer picked up Oswald, but he never tells you who. Only that it wasn't Tippit. How does he know ? Who's his source ?

I don’t believe this happened. A police car would be too conspicuous as everyone rubbernecks when a cop interacts with a civilian.

 

27 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

Who was the blonde in the '62 Ford who smashed into the back of Tippit's cruiser ? Why isn't she mentioned by any of the witnesses ? Why is there no accident report in the Dallas police files ? And why isn't there any damage in the rear of the cruiser ?

I’m skeptical about the chronology in “Car #10 Where are You?” after Tippit leaves his home after lunch. Tippit’s last radio message seems pretty nonchalant to have been involved in the assassination or helping track down Oswald.

 

32 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

He claims that the limo had a glass partition between the front seat and the rest of the car. But it didn't.

Correct. But I don’t believe any of the shots came from the front. If the plan was to frame a patsy firing from behind, why arrange a crossfire and have to get rid of evidence of shots fired from other locations as well as the clean up squad to silence contrary witnesses? 

But he does open the possibility that Oswald took an alternative route to 10th and Patton perhaps with the aid of an unwitting driver who never came forward for obvious reasons. But to be fair, one has to also consider Oswald could have been driven to the Texas Theatre by an unwitting driver as well.