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There is an old adage that to really live, one has to risk making stupid mistakes, at any rate

....I wanted to let those that were interested in my previous post know that I did extensively research the topic of the patent, and did not come to any conclusion

that resolved the issue definitively, so I will just report my findings.

I did discover numerous references to companies such as Dupont Corp., various incarnations of Bendix Corp and....the Manhattan Project.

Regarding persons, literally I did discover a patent related to submarines from the Thresher Era, but it was nothing [one would think] that would cause

serious injury, of any kind which seemed to be the implication of what the article I cited was referencing

See

Capt. Charles D. Summitt, USN (Ret.) died January 1, 2009 in St. Petersburg, FL. A graduate of Montgomery Bell Academy, CAPT Summitt, attended Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech before graduating from the United States Naval Academy in 1947.

In 1958 Capt Summitt invented and received a patent for a safer boatswain's chair which came to be known as the "Summitt Chair." On July 21, 1962, nuclear powered submarine, USS Seadragon, based in the Pacific and commanded by Summitt, met the USS Skate, based in the Atlantic, under the polar ice cap and the two made history as they surfaced together through a hole in the ice cap. Capt Summitt's last submarine command was the USS Alexander Hamilton, a Polaris submarine. He served as aide to Admiral Hyman Rickover 1963-64. He retired from the navy in 1974.

In 2004, a book, Tales of a Cold War Submariner, by Dan Summitt was published by Texas A&M University.

http://books.google....epage&q&f=false

These were the most interesting

See pdf

Dupont Fluoropolymer Solutions

Section entitled

"World War II, A turning point for PTFE"

from k20165.pdf

During World War II scientists involved with the US Military

set out to find a material to protect gaskets, valves and fittings from corrosion.

PTFE provides the solution. A range of military applications, made possible

by PTFE, including its use as part of the Manhattan Project, drive increased

use of PTFE and manufacturing on a broader scale.

Dr Roy J Plunkett is granted a patent for PTFE in 1941

In 1944 Dupont registers the trademark Teflon

Robert: Ralph Landau was a contemporary of Dr Roy J Plunkett........

Ralph Landau (1916–2004) founded one of the world's most successful engineering and design firms, Scientific Design Company, Inc., and its successor corporations, which developed and commercialized nearly a dozen processes for producing petrochemicals.

As a high school student in Philadelphia during the Depression, Landau noticed a newspaper article about the new "glamour field" of chemical engineering and decided that it was the career for him. A scholarship student at the University of Pennsylvania, he majored in chemical engineering and went on to receive his doctorate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. As a new Ph.D. he worked for the New Jersey–based M. W. Kellogg Company, one of the first engineering firms that specialized in design and development for the oil refining and chemical industries. During World War II, Kellogg was asked to build a large-scale facility at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, to separate uranium 235, which was needed for the atomic bomb, from the predominant isotope, uranium 238. Landau was given the responsibility of designing the equipment to produce fluorine, a highly reactive substance needed to make the uranium hexafluoride used in the gaseous diffusion process. He also oversaw the production of the fluorinated compounds used to protect surfaces in contact with the uranium hexafluoride.

After the war he and a construction engineer he had met at Oak Ridge, Harry Rehnberg, started Scientific Design with the objective of improving petrochemical production processes. Much of their business in the early days was abroad, and one of their first successes was an improved method of producing terephthalic acid—the main raw ingredient in polyester fiber—by bromine-assisted oxidation of paraxylene. Worldwide rights for this process were purchased by Standard Oil of Indiana (now BP Amoco). Another triumph was an improved process for producing propylene oxide, a substance used in polyurethane foams and in rigid polymers; in this case the partner in the new corporation, called Oxirane, was Arco Chemical Company (also now BP Amoco).

Later, as a faculty member of the economics department at Stanford University and a fellow at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Landau focused on understanding the political and economic environment necessary to encourage technological innovation—the lifeblood of a successful economy.

Landau received more than 50 honors and awards in his lifetime, including the National Medal of Technology, the Founders Award of the American Institute of Chemical Engineers, the Chemical Industry Medal, and the Perkin Medal. He was an elected member of the National Academy of Engineering. In his spare time he enjoyed swimming, opera, travel, wine, art, and tapestries. Landau and his wife, Claire, had one daughter.

Both Dr Plunkett and Ralph Landau are detailed at

http://www.chemheritage.org

List of significant technological developments of the pre-World War II and World War II Era

Robert: Does anybody remember Dr Mary Sherman?

1929 Particle accelerator

A particle accelerator is a device that uses electric fields to propel electrically-charged particles to high speeds and to contain them. The earliest particle accelerators were cyclotrons, invented in 1929 by Ernest Lawrence at the University of California, Berkeley.

1933 Frequency modulation

In telecommunications, frequency modulation (FM) conveys information over a carrier wave by varying its frequency. While working in the basement laboratory of Columbia's Philosophy Hall, Edwin Armstrong invented wide-band frequency modulation radio in 1933. Rather than varying the amplitude of a radio wave to create sound, Armstrong's method varied the frequency of the wave instead. FM radio broadcasts delivered a much clearer sound, free of static, than the AM radio dominant at the time. Armstrong received a patent on wideband FM on December 26, 1933.[322]

1937 Digital computer

A digital computer is a device capable of solving problems by processing information on discrete form. It operates on data, including magnitudes, letters, and symbols that are expressed in binary form. While working at Bell Labs in November 1937, George Stibitz, who is internationally recognized as the father of the modern digital computer, built the world's first relay-based computer which calculated binary addition.

1937 Klystron

A klystron is a specialized linear-beam vacuum tube. Klystrons are used as amplifiers at microwave and radio frequencies to produce both low-power reference signals for superheterodyne radar receivers and to produce high-power carrier waves for communications and the driving force for modern particle accelerator. Russell and Sigurd Varian of Stanford University are generally considered to be the inventors. Their prototype was completed in August 1937.

1941 Acrylic fiber

Acrylic fibers are synthetic fibers made from a polymer Polyacrylonitrile with an average molecular weight of ~100,000, about 1900 monomer units. To be called acrylic in the United States, the polymer must contain at least 85% acrylonitrile monomer. Typical comonomers are vinyl acetate or methyl acrylate. The Dupont Corporation invented the first acrylic fibers in 1941 and trademarked them under the name "Orlon".

1942 Ames process

The Ames process is a process to purify uranium ore. It can be achieved by mixing any of the uranium halides with calcium powder or aluminium powder. The Ames process was invented and used on August 3, 1942 by a group of chemists led by Frank Spedding at the Ames Laboratory.

from answers.com

American chemist (1902–1984)

Spedding was born at Hamilton, Ontario, in Canada and educated at the University of Michigan and Berkeley where he obtained his PhD in 1929. After working at Cornell from 1935 to 1937, he moved to Iowa State University, where he remained for the rest of his career. He was appointed professor of chemistry in 1941 and director of the Institute of Atomic Research from 1945 to 1968. In 1942, at the request of Arthur Compton, Spedding and his Iowa colleagues devised new techniques for the purification of the uranium required urgently for the development of the atomic bomb. Their method reduced the price of uranium from $22 per pound to $1 per pound. After the war Spedding put his new skills to separating the lanthanide elements, an extremely difficult task because of the similarity of their physical and chemical properties. The technique used on uranium, and later successfully applied to the lanthanides, was that of ion-exchange chromatography. A simple example is seen when hard water is allowed to percolate through a column of the mineral zeolite; calcium ions are absorbed by the mineral, which releases its own sodium ions into the water – in effect, an exchange of ions. In the late 1930s more efficient synthetic resins were introduced as ion exchangers. Spedding passed lanthanide chlorides through an exchange resin that differentially absorbed the compounds present, thus allowing them to be separated. As a result, for the first time, chemists could deal with lanthanoids in substantial quantities.

In 1965 Spedding published, with Adrian Daane, an account of his work in his Chemistry of Rare Earth Elements.

1943 Napalm

Napalm is the name given to any of a number of flammable liquids used in warfare, often jellied gasoline. Napalm is actually the thickener in such liquids, which when mixed with gasoline makes a sticky incendiary gel. Invented in the United States during World War II by a team of Harvard chemists led by Louis Fieser*, Napalm's name is a portmanteau of the names of its original ingredients, coprecipitated aluminium salts of naphthenic acid and palmitic acids. These were added to the flammable substance to cause it to gel.

More......

1943 Yerkes spectral classification*

The Yerkes spectral classification, also called the MKK system from the authors' initials, is a system of stellar spectral classification invented in 1943 by William Wilson Morgan, Phillip C. Keenan* and Edith Kellman from the Yerkes Observatory.

obit Philip C. Keenan, 92, Pioneer In the Classification of Stars

By ERIC COPAGE

Published: April 24, 2000

Philip C. Keenan, whose work in the spectral classification of stars helped astronomers understand the chemical evolution of galaxies, died on Thursday at a hospital in Columbus, Ohio. He was 92. Dr. Keenan (pronounced kee-NAN) was emeritus professor of astronomy at Ohio State University in Columbus.

He wrote the Atlas of Stellar Spectra in 1943 with Dr. W. W. Morgan, who died in 1994. Its system of classifying stars by their spectra, or the wavelengths of light they emit, is still in wide use. Dr. Keenan also had an extraordinarily long history of professional publication. ''He published longer than most astronomers live,'' said Jay A. Frogel, a colleague of Dr. Keenan's at Ohio State.]

Robert: But, there was even more

Reflections of a Technocrat: Managing Defense, Air, and Space Programs During the Cold War ...by John McLucas Col Kenneth W. Alnwick & Lawrence Benson; Publication: Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala Air University Press, 2006. John McLucas died on December 1st, 2002 at age 82; Foreword By Melvin Laird

keywords

Edwin Keller NSA

Haller, Raymond and Brown

Joseph Amato

Brig Gen Edwin "Spec" Powell

MITRE

Col George Munroe

James M. Landis who presided over the 1947 hearings on airliner crew size

Attending Davidson College & Tulane University

blurbs

Among my professors was Dr Joseph Morris

page 9 Employing Radio In The Navy

In June 1943, with degree in hand I signed on with the U S Navy

Assigned to the USS Saint George in 1944...

I took my place as the Saint George's radar officer.....

I had accepted an offer to become a junior engineer, designing parts for new radars at the Cambridge Field Station of the Watson Laboratories. Although operated by the Army Air Forces, the lab [located in New Jersey] was still under contract to the Army Signal Corps.

page 17 One day in early 1948....Dean George Haller of the Department of Physics and Chemistry, asked if I might like a part-time job working for something called H. R. & B........He explained that it stood for Haller, Raymond and Brown [ ie Geore Haller Raymond and Walt Brown George Haller, a local native whose father managed Penn State's farm had headed the Aircraft Radio Section of the Signal Corp lab at Wright Field during the war, and among other things, developed an aerial training wire antenna. The government retained rights to this invention for military use but let him keep the rights for commercial development.

Foot note

Wright and Patterson Fields near Dayton, Ohio were combined into one base in 1948 called Wright-Patterson Air Force Base [AF15]. Long the center

for aviation research, development and testing and logistics for the Army Air Forces, it also became the site for Air Material Command headquarters.

page 19 When the Korean War buildup began, the unit was called to active duty to eventually serve as a source of replacements of other radar units scattered along the eastern seaboard and overseas. At the time the 112th was federalized, H R and B [George Haller, Richard "Dick" Raymond and Walt Brown] was so deeply involved in classified work for the Air Force that Haller, Brown and McLucas were given what amounted to deferments.

page 21..Although always looking for commercial opportunities, HRB's core business remained focused on some of the most highly classified areas of national defense. We were one of the first companies to move into the post World War II signal intelligence [sIGINT] business....

Even though HRB was rapidly expanding into such areas [photo-reconnaissance and camera work] Dick Raymond became attracted to bigger challenges. In 1953 he [Thompson] joined the RAND Corporation

page 24 In the summer of 1955 Walt Brown died in the surf off Redbank, New Jersey

page 41, Theodore Von Karman

Robert: While Boris Pash was working Europe toward the end of WW II, looking for scientists

Theodore Von Karman was beginning his association with the US Military

In one of the precursors of what is known as the Woods-Hole Summer Study

END

Question Who was Theodore Von Karman?

The universal man:

Theodore von Kármán's life in aeronautics

Michael H. Gorn

0 Reviews

Smithsonian Institution Press, 1992 - Biography & Autobiography - 202 pages

The Universal Man recounts the full range of Theodore von Karman's scientific and social accomplishments. Regarded as one of the fathers of supersonic flight, von Karman pioneered the use of applied mathematics in aeronautics and astronautics and, in the process, discovered some of the fundanmental laws of both disciplines. Von Karman used his theoretical knowledge to design aircraft, dirigibles, rockets, and missiles. He also demonstrated the first solid-propellant rocket engine. As significant as these accomplishments are (President John Kennedy presented him with the first National Medal of Science in 1963), they form but a portion of this great man's legacy. Born in Hungary, von Karman (1881-1963) emigrated to the United States in 1930 and lived the remainder of his life in Pasadena, California. He was a gifted teacher, passing on to three generations of students his own, novel approach to problem solving. Possessing a unique capacity to harmonize unlike temperaments and focus them on common objectives, he promoted an unprecedented degree of international scientific cooperation. Von Karman was the moving force behind many now-famous institutions, including NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Cal Tech's Guggenheim Aeronautical Laboratory, and the USAF Scientific Advisory Board. His circle of colleagues included such diverse personalities as Dr. Hugh L. Dryden, the first deputy administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration; General Bernard A. Schriever (USAF, ret.), the father of the USAF ballistic missile program; and Dr. William Pickering, former director of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. In a compact, nontechnical work intended for general readers, The UniversalMan provides a rounded picture of this warm and eminently humane scientist's life and examines the extent to which personality influences the course of science.

HRB Systems Inc., formerly HRB Singer, now part of Raytheon Intelligence and Information

Systems, is/was a defense contractor located in State College, Pennsylvania. The company was started by

three scientists: Haller, Raymond, and Brown. The company was part of E-Systems before Raytheon

purchased........

Wikipedia...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HRB_Systems

In 1987-88 some State College HRB emplyees (The Droski Group) did an away assignment at H

RB's Sister Company, Kearfott in Little Falls, NJ- project TACMS . Kearfott was founded in 1917

as The Kearfott Company Inc., becoming the Kearfott Division of the General Precision Equipment

Corporation in 1955 and then, in 1968, the Kearfott Division of Singer Business Corporation.

In 1987 Singer split Kearfott; the Kearfott Guidance & Navigation division was sold to the

Astronautics Corporation of America in 1988, and the Electronic Systems Division was purchased by

GEC-Marconi in 1990 and renamed GEC-Marconi Electronic Systems.

From facebook

http://www.facebook....gid=24683897961

End

Read my post Number 52, and then read the following, also compare the information contained on this thread with the thread on Lansdale, I don't believe there

are any two threads on the Forum that intertwine with each other in a more remarkable way.......

Carl J Baer

http://www.google.co...put=text&pg=PA3

Patented Oct. 26, 1943

2,332,549

UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE

2,332,549

SUBMARINE CRAFT : ' .-.-. Carl J. Baer, Lemay Station, Mo. Application July 15,1941, Serial No. 402,529

5 Claims. (CI. 114—16.7) — ..".

This invention is concerned primarily with the provision of multiple submarine craft by means of which there may be removably nested .upon a submarine, of normal size, and during partial or total submergence thereof, one or more auxiliary submarines and I consider it to be a material improvement over my patent on a Marine carrier, Number 2,134,352; and dated October, 1938. :

In the above mentioned patent there is the 10 contemplated use of small marine units in a mother ship and separable therefrom by flotation methods. The parent craft in said patent being a streamlined dry dock with a gate hold, a hatch susceptible of opening and closing anc^ admitting 15 water, when the craft is partially submerged, into certain compartments in the parent craft thereby enabling the flotation of smaller units in and out of the parent craft without the use of mechanical equipment, however, the modified craft under this application contemplates the structure of craft known as submarines in two or more units of vessels of the submarine type each of which is fully equipped and operative independently as submarines, and which may be designed in any: vi-3 shape, form, size or type, and of such structure that the miniature submarine is removably nested in and attached to the hull of the parent submarine, during complete submergence, in such manner that a passageway may be established,: 30 through connectible hatchways formed integrally on the surface and with the hull of both of said craft, and said hatchways may be opened or sealed at will.

With these and other objects in view, this invention consists in certain novel features of construction, combination, and arrangement of parts to be more fully described and claimed.

For a complete understanding of this invention reference is to be had to the following description and accompanying drawings, in which

Figure 1, is a side elevational view of a craft embodying my invention.

Figure 2, is an enlarged side elevational view of the stern portion of the hull embodying my invention, and partially in section.

Figure 3, is a plan view of the stern portion of a submarine hull embodying a part of this invention.

Fig. 4 is a broken view and section on substantially line 4—4 Pig. 2 of a portion of the hull of the parent craft, disclosing channels in nesting depressions within said hull, and an auxiliary craft nested in one of said depressions.

Now referring more particularly to the drawings there is shown what is herein described as a parent craft A and an auxiliary craft B, and while the drawings do not show detail of structure of bulkheads, conventional operating machinery, radio equipment, and rigging, it is intended both the parent and the auxiliary craft shall be of normal structure with such exceptions as.my invention may require and fully equipped that they may.be operatable either when joined together or separated for multiple or single sub.marine usage.

Suitably disposed within the surface of the hull of the parent craft A,, are depressions 2 forming a nest or recess for seating the auxiliary craft B, the line of said depression or recess following substantially the contour of the lower portion of the hull of the auxiliary :craft, with the exception of the bow and stern ends thereof which are sloped at a greater.angle than the configuration of the vessel craft to be nested therein to permit longitudinal movement thereof'. during entry to or withdrawal from said nest, angle of bow slope being more abrupt than stern slope to provide the further element of an abutment for the auxiliary craft, at lower portion of its bow, when ' nested. '.•••••

Substantially centrally disposed in said depression or recess, is hatch 3 and within the hull of the baby submarine is a hatch 4 said hatches having complementary joint parts composed of male and female portions 5 and 6 respectively and during nesting of the auxiliary craft upon the parent craft there is interval, said portions 5 and 6, gaskets 7 and 8 through which sealing of the joint is effected when the auxiliary craft is weighted by water suitably disposed within the hull in sufficient amount that its contents of water plus weight of craft is heavier than the amount of water which the auxiliary craft displaces in normal operation. The auxiliary craft may also be held in juxtaposition with the parent craft by suitable mechanical means.

Longitudinally disposed within the nest 2 are channels 12 to permit the flow of water under the auxiliary craft without affecting its nesting properties and enabling the miniature submarine to operate its driving propeller, rudder or other driving mechanism while seated in the nest and to aid in releasing it from or seating it in its nesting place.

It is obvious that the above described complementary connection forms a double hatchway which may be opened or closed by removal or replacement of the hatches 9.

During the above described nesting operation

2,332,549

water is accumulated with the hatchway 5 and to provide suitable drainage means for same, before opening the hatchway, 1 provide a drainage opening 10 from which suitable controllable drainage means may be extended.

Location posts or rods can be placed at the bow and stern points of the nest 2 for use as guiding means for the miniature submarine to locate its position above the nest in which it is to rest. The shape and design of the nest is in conformity to readily make the hull of the auxiliary craft fit substantially therewith, joined with the weight of the water in said hull sufficient to sink it in place.

From the above description it will be-apparent to those skilled in the art that the details of construction illustrated herein may be varied without departure from the novel subject matter herein disclosed. It must therefore be understood that except as limited by the claims the invention is not limited to multiple submarine craft of the shape shown and described, or to the shape of the nest, holding means as between submarines when nested, or structure of the double hatchway, although utility resides .in this structure.

Although not shown in the drawing it is obvious that man passage ms.y be established as between two or more nest hatchways by means of water tight pipe or other suitable means foreign to the convential compartment passage ways, thereby providing means for escape from any compartment in submarine, connected thereby.

While it is not considered an essential part of this invention, if it is so desired, mooring lines may be considered a part of the rigging of the auxiliary craft, and which, when in communication with the parent craft, may be used as an aid in the nesting operation, or to maintain a Jinked contact with the parent craft, when unseated from the nest and in flotation.

The utility of submarine craft as herein described is far reaching, aside from having all the utility of the present day submarine, this type of craft provides added utility including such elements as a safety means especially in case of damage to a parent or associated auxiliary craft, further such a combination would be useful for carrying on combatant or observation service in view of the fact that the auxiliary units could distribute themselves in various areas for combat service and return to the parent craft for supplies and admitting the parent craft to take its resting place and discharge its auxiliary units for duty where ever required.

What is claimed:

1. A combination submarine and auxiliary submarine carried by and adaptable for nesting on said submarine, a nesting depression for said auxiliary submarine within the hull of the submarine, said depression having bow and stern ends sloped at greater angle than the configuration of the auxiliary submarine to be nested thereon, to permit forward or backward longitudinal movement of the auxiliary submarine during entry to or withdrawal from said nest.

2. The combination of a submarine and auxiliary submarine carried by and adaptable for nesting on said submarine, a nesting depression for said auxiliary submarine within the submarine, said depression having bow and stern ends sloped at greater angle than the configuration of the auxiliary submarine to be nested thereon, to permit forward or backward longitudinal movement of the auxiliary submarine during entry to or withdrawal from said nest, the bow of said depression sloped at an angle to further provide an abutment for the lower portion of the bow of the auxiliary submarine when nested.

3. The combination of a submarine and auxiliary submarine carried thereon and adaptable for nesting on said parent craft, a nesting depression for said auxiliary submarine within the hull of the submarine, said depression having bow and stern ends sloped at greater angle than the configuration of the auxiliary submarine to be nested thereon, to permit forward or backward longitudinal movement of the auxiliary submarine during entry to or withdrawal from said nest, and longitudinal channels disposed within the base of said depression to permit flow of water under a nested submarine, without affecting nesting properties, thereby enabling submarine propulsion within said nest.

4. The combination of a submarine and auxiliary submarine adaptable for nesting on said parent submarine, a nesting depression for said auxiliary submarine within the hull of the parent submarine and longitudinal channels disposed within the base of said depression to permit flow of water under a nested submarine, without effecting nesting properties, thereby enabling submarine propulsion within said nest.

5. In a craft, comprising, a submarine and auxiliary submarine adaptable for nesting on said parent submarine, a nest for said auxiliary submarine within said parent submarine and means disposed within said nest to permit flow of water under a nested submarine, without affecting nesting properties, thereby enabling submarine propulsion within said nest.

CARL, J. BAER.

Robert

Note the second patent is for October 26, 1943

Baer, Carl Carl Joseph Baer was born on October 10, 1921 in Little Rock, Ark. to Will Joseph and Pauline Baer. He passed away on October 1, 2009 in Plano, Texas. He had one brother, William. He graduated from Little Rock Senior High School in 1939, where he lettered in football, track and made all-conference in basketball. He attended Arkansas State Teachers College and UCLA, where he also excelled in academics and sports. He enlisted in the Navy during WWII, and attended Midshipmen's School at Columbia University where he graduated third in his class and was commissioned as an Ensign. He met the love of his life, Billie Marie Mathis, and made her his bride in 1945. They had 64 wonderful years together. He started his career in banking and insurance before he joined Powell and Satterfield Investment Firm and stayed with the firm until 1977. In 1977, Rauscher - Pierce Investment Firm recruited him to move to Dallas and he left his beloved Arkansas to advance his career and be closer to his son and his family. He was with Rauscher - Pierce Investment Firm for 18 years, rose to the position of Vice-President, and retired in 1995. He was an avid golfer and won the Little Rock City Championship three times, the Pleasant Valley Country Club Championship and Riverdale Country Club Championship. Over the course of his golfing avocation, he made 10 hole-in-ones, his last coming in San Antonio in 1999, at the age of 78. He is survived by his loving wife, Billie, his son, Michael and his daughter-in-law, Sharon, his grandson Joshua, his wife, Jenny, and great grandson, Oliver, and grandson Brandon. Carl was a devoted husband, father and grandfather, loved and respected by all who knew him, lived his life by the golden rule and was one of the greatest joke tellers of all time. He loved to laugh, almost as much as he loved to bring laughter to others. He was a good and kind man and he will be missed by all. Memorial services will be at 2:00 PM Friday, October 9, 2009 in the Ted Dickey West Funeral Home Chapel. The family suggests memorials may be made to The Church of the Transfiguration, 14115 Hillcrest Rd, Dallas, TX 75254 or to Alzheimer's Foundation of America, 322 Eighth Ave., New York, NY 10001

http://www.legacy.co...ymaop0fyw%3d%3d

There was also a Henry Baer, who was the law partner of William McKenzie, if anyone is keeping score.

I hope someone is paying attention

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There is an old adage that to really live, one has to risk making stupid mistakes, at any rate

....I wanted to let those that were interested in my previous post know that I did extensively research the topic of the patent, and did not come to any conclusion

that resolved the issue definitively, so I will just report my findings.

I did discover numerous references to companies such as Dupont Corp., various incarnations of Bendix Corp and....the Manhattan Project.

Regarding persons, literally I did discover a patent related to submarines from the Thresher Era, but it was nothing [one would think] that would cause

serious injury, of any kind which seemed to be the implication of what the article I cited was referencing

See

Capt. Charles D. Summitt, USN (Ret.) died January 1, 2009 in St. Petersburg, FL. A graduate of Montgomery Bell Academy, CAPT Summitt, attended Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech before graduating from the United States Naval Academy in 1947.

In 1958 Capt Summitt invented and received a patent for a safer boatswain's chair which came to be known as the "Summitt Chair." On July 21, 1962, nuclear powered submarine, USS Seadragon, based in the Pacific and commanded by Summitt, met the USS Skate, based in the Atlantic, under the polar ice cap and the two made history as they surfaced together through a hole in the ice cap. Capt Summitt's last submarine command was the USS Alexander Hamilton, a Polaris submarine. He served as aide to Admiral Hyman Rickover 1963-64. He retired from the navy in 1974.

In 2004, a book, Tales of a Cold War Submariner, by Dan Summitt was published by Texas A&M University.

http://books.google....epage&q&f=false

These were the most interesting

See pdf

Dupont Fluoropolymer Solutions

Section entitled

"World War II, A turning point for PTFE"

from k20165.pdf

During World War II scientists involved with the US Military

set out to find a material to protect gaskets, valves and fittings from corrosion.

PTFE provides the solution. A range of military applications, made possible

by PTFE, including its use as part of the Manhattan Project, drive increased

use of PTFE and manufacturing on a broader scale.

Dr Roy J Plunkett is granted a patent for PTFE in 1941

In 1944 Dupont registers the trademark Teflon

Robert: Ralph Landau was a contemporary of Dr Roy J Plunkett........

Ralph Landau (1916–2004) founded one of the world's most successful engineering and design firms, Scientific Design Company, Inc., and its successor corporations, which developed and commercialized nearly a dozen processes for producing petrochemicals.

As a high school student in Philadelphia during the Depression, Landau noticed a newspaper article about the new "glamour field" of chemical engineering and decided that it was the career for him. A scholarship student at the University of Pennsylvania, he majored in chemical engineering and went on to receive his doctorate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. As a new Ph.D. he worked for the New Jersey–based M. W. Kellogg Company, one of the first engineering firms that specialized in design and development for the oil refining and chemical industries. During World War II, Kellogg was asked to build a large-scale facility at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, to separate uranium 235, which was needed for the atomic bomb, from the predominant isotope, uranium 238. Landau was given the responsibility of designing the equipment to produce fluorine, a highly reactive substance needed to make the uranium hexafluoride used in the gaseous diffusion process. He also oversaw the production of the fluorinated compounds used to protect surfaces in contact with the uranium hexafluoride.

After the war he and a construction engineer he had met at Oak Ridge, Harry Rehnberg, started Scientific Design with the objective of improving petrochemical production processes. Much of their business in the early days was abroad, and one of their first successes was an improved method of producing terephthalic acid—the main raw ingredient in polyester fiber—by bromine-assisted oxidation of paraxylene. Worldwide rights for this process were purchased by Standard Oil of Indiana (now BP Amoco). Another triumph was an improved process for producing propylene oxide, a substance used in polyurethane foams and in rigid polymers; in this case the partner in the new corporation, called Oxirane, was Arco Chemical Company (also now BP Amoco).

Later, as a faculty member of the economics department at Stanford University and a fellow at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Landau focused on understanding the political and economic environment necessary to encourage technological innovation—the lifeblood of a successful economy.

Landau received more than 50 honors and awards in his lifetime, including the National Medal of Technology, the Founders Award of the American Institute of Chemical Engineers, the Chemical Industry Medal, and the Perkin Medal. He was an elected member of the National Academy of Engineering. In his spare time he enjoyed swimming, opera, travel, wine, art, and tapestries. Landau and his wife, Claire, had one daughter.

Both Dr Plunkett and Ralph Landau are detailed at

http://www.chemheritage.org

List of significant technological developments of the pre-World War II and World War II Era

Robert: Does anybody remember Dr Mary Sherman?

1929 Particle accelerator

A particle accelerator is a device that uses electric fields to propel electrically-charged particles to high speeds and to contain them. The earliest particle accelerators were cyclotrons, invented in 1929 by Ernest Lawrence at the University of California, Berkeley.

1933 Frequency modulation

In telecommunications, frequency modulation (FM) conveys information over a carrier wave by varying its frequency. While working in the basement laboratory of Columbia's Philosophy Hall, Edwin Armstrong invented wide-band frequency modulation radio in 1933. Rather than varying the amplitude of a radio wave to create sound, Armstrong's method varied the frequency of the wave instead. FM radio broadcasts delivered a much clearer sound, free of static, than the AM radio dominant at the time. Armstrong received a patent on wideband FM on December 26, 1933.[322]

1937 Digital computer

A digital computer is a device capable of solving problems by processing information on discrete form. It operates on data, including magnitudes, letters, and symbols that are expressed in binary form. While working at Bell Labs in November 1937, George Stibitz, who is internationally recognized as the father of the modern digital computer, built the world's first relay-based computer which calculated binary addition.

1937 Klystron

A klystron is a specialized linear-beam vacuum tube. Klystrons are used as amplifiers at microwave and radio frequencies to produce both low-power reference signals for superheterodyne radar receivers and to produce high-power carrier waves for communications and the driving force for modern particle accelerator. Russell and Sigurd Varian of Stanford University are generally considered to be the inventors. Their prototype was completed in August 1937.

1941 Acrylic fiber

Acrylic fibers are synthetic fibers made from a polymer Polyacrylonitrile with an average molecular weight of ~100,000, about 1900 monomer units. To be called acrylic in the United States, the polymer must contain at least 85% acrylonitrile monomer. Typical comonomers are vinyl acetate or methyl acrylate. The Dupont Corporation invented the first acrylic fibers in 1941 and trademarked them under the name "Orlon".

1942 Ames process

The Ames process is a process to purify uranium ore. It can be achieved by mixing any of the uranium halides with calcium powder or aluminium powder. The Ames process was invented and used on August 3, 1942 by a group of chemists led by Frank Spedding at the Ames Laboratory.

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American chemist (1902–1984)

Spedding was born at Hamilton, Ontario, in Canada and educated at the University of Michigan and Berkeley where he obtained his PhD in 1929. After working at Cornell from 1935 to 1937, he moved to Iowa State University, where he remained for the rest of his career. He was appointed professor of chemistry in 1941 and director of the Institute of Atomic Research from 1945 to 1968. In 1942, at the request of Arthur Compton, Spedding and his Iowa colleagues devised new techniques for the purification of the uranium required urgently for the development of the atomic bomb. Their method reduced the price of uranium from $22 per pound to $1 per pound. After the war Spedding put his new skills to separating the lanthanide elements, an extremely difficult task because of the similarity of their physical and chemical properties. The technique used on uranium, and later successfully applied to the lanthanides, was that of ion-exchange chromatography. A simple example is seen when hard water is allowed to percolate through a column of the mineral zeolite; calcium ions are absorbed by the mineral, which releases its own sodium ions into the water – in effect, an exchange of ions. In the late 1930s more efficient synthetic resins were introduced as ion exchangers. Spedding passed lanthanide chlorides through an exchange resin that differentially absorbed the compounds present, thus allowing them to be separated. As a result, for the first time, chemists could deal with lanthanoids in substantial quantities.

In 1965 Spedding published, with Adrian Daane, an account of his work in his Chemistry of Rare Earth Elements.

1943 Napalm

Napalm is the name given to any of a number of flammable liquids used in warfare, often jellied gasoline. Napalm is actually the thickener in such liquids, which when mixed with gasoline makes a sticky incendiary gel. Invented in the United States during World War II by a team of Harvard chemists led by Louis Fieser*, Napalm's name is a portmanteau of the names of its original ingredients, coprecipitated aluminium salts of naphthenic acid and palmitic acids. These were added to the flammable substance to cause it to gel.

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1943 Yerkes spectral classification*

The Yerkes spectral classification, also called the MKK system from the authors' initials, is a system of stellar spectral classification invented in 1943 by William Wilson Morgan, Phillip C. Keenan* and Edith Kellman from the Yerkes Observatory.

obit Philip C. Keenan, 92, Pioneer In the Classification of Stars

By ERIC COPAGE

Published: April 24, 2000

Philip C. Keenan, whose work in the spectral classification of stars helped astronomers understand the chemical evolution of galaxies, died on Thursday at a hospital in Columbus, Ohio. He was 92. Dr. Keenan (pronounced kee-NAN) was emeritus professor of astronomy at Ohio State University in Columbus.

He wrote the Atlas of Stellar Spectra in 1943 with Dr. W. W. Morgan, who died in 1994. Its system of classifying stars by their spectra, or the wavelengths of light they emit, is still in wide use. Dr. Keenan also had an extraordinarily long history of professional publication. ''He published longer than most astronomers live,'' said Jay A. Frogel, a colleague of Dr. Keenan's at Ohio State.]

Robert: But, there was even more

Reflections of a Technocrat: Managing Defense, Air, and Space Programs During the Cold War ...by John McLucas Col Kenneth W. Alnwick & Lawrence Benson; Publication: Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala Air University Press, 2006. John McLucas died on December 1st, 2002 at age 82; Foreword By Melvin Laird

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Edwin Keller NSA

Haller, Raymond and Brown

Joseph Amato

Brig Gen Edwin "Spec" Powell

MITRE

Col George Munroe

James M. Landis who presided over the 1947 hearings on airliner crew size

Attending Davidson College & Tulane University

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Among my professors was Dr Joseph Morris

page 9 Employing Radio In The Navy

In June 1943, with degree in hand I signed on with the U S Navy

Assigned to the USS Saint George in 1944...

I took my place as the Saint George's radar officer.....

I had accepted an offer to become a junior engineer, designing parts for new radars at the Cambridge Field Station of the Watson Laboratories. Although operated by the Army Air Forces, the lab [located in New Jersey] was still under contract to the Army Signal Corps.

page 17 One day in early 1948....Dean George Haller of the Department of Physics and Chemistry, asked if I might like a part-time job working for something called H. R. & B........He explained that it stood for Haller, Raymond and Brown [ ie Geore Haller Raymond and Walt Brown George Haller, a local native whose father managed Penn State's farm had headed the Aircraft Radio Section of the Signal Corp lab at Wright Field during the war, and among other things, developed an aerial training wire antenna. The government retained rights to this invention for military use but let him keep the rights for commercial development.

Foot note

Wright and Patterson Fields near Dayton, Ohio were combined into one base in 1948 called Wright-Patterson Air Force Base [AF15]. Long the center

for aviation research, development and testing and logistics for the Army Air Forces, it also became the site for Air Material Command headquarters.

page 19 When the Korean War buildup began, the unit was called to active duty to eventually serve as a source of replacements of other radar units scattered along the eastern seaboard and overseas. At the time the 112th was federalized, H R and B [George Haller, Richard "Dick" Raymond and Walt Brown] was so deeply involved in classified work for the Air Force that Haller, Brown and McLucas were given what amounted to deferments.

page 21..Although always looking for commercial opportunities, HRB's core business remained focused on some of the most highly classified areas of national defense. We were one of the first companies to move into the post World War II signal intelligence [sIGINT] business....

Even though HRB was rapidly expanding into such areas [photo-reconnaissance and camera work] Dick Raymond became attracted to bigger challenges. In 1953 he [Thompson] joined the RAND Corporation

page 24 In the summer of 1955 Walt Brown died in the surf off Redbank, New Jersey

page 41, Theodore Von Karman

Robert: While Boris Pash was working Europe toward the end of WW II, looking for scientists

Theodore Von Karman was beginning his association with the US Military

In one of the precursors of what is known as the Woods-Hole Summer Study

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Question Who was Theodore Von Karman?

The universal man:

Theodore von Kármán's life in aeronautics

Michael H. Gorn

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Smithsonian Institution Press, 1992 - Biography & Autobiography - 202 pages

The Universal Man recounts the full range of Theodore von Karman's scientific and social accomplishments. Regarded as one of the fathers of supersonic flight, von Karman pioneered the use of applied mathematics in aeronautics and astronautics and, in the process, discovered some of the fundanmental laws of both disciplines. Von Karman used his theoretical knowledge to design aircraft, dirigibles, rockets, and missiles. He also demonstrated the first solid-propellant rocket engine. As significant as these accomplishments are (President John Kennedy presented him with the first National Medal of Science in 1963), they form but a portion of this great man's legacy. Born in Hungary, von Karman (1881-1963) emigrated to the United States in 1930 and lived the remainder of his life in Pasadena, California. He was a gifted teacher, passing on to three generations of students his own, novel approach to problem solving. Possessing a unique capacity to harmonize unlike temperaments and focus them on common objectives, he promoted an unprecedented degree of international scientific cooperation. Von Karman was the moving force behind many now-famous institutions, including NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Cal Tech's Guggenheim Aeronautical Laboratory, and the USAF Scientific Advisory Board. His circle of colleagues included such diverse personalities as Dr. Hugh L. Dryden, the first deputy administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration; General Bernard A. Schriever (USAF, ret.), the father of the USAF ballistic missile program; and Dr. William Pickering, former director of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. In a compact, nontechnical work intended for general readers, The UniversalMan provides a rounded picture of this warm and eminently humane scientist's life and examines the extent to which personality influences the course of science.

HRB Systems Inc., formerly HRB Singer, now part of Raytheon Intelligence and Information

Systems, is/was a defense contractor located in State College, Pennsylvania. The company was started by

three scientists: Haller, Raymond, and Brown. The company was part of E-Systems before Raytheon

purchased........

Wikipedia...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HRB_Systems

In 1987-88 some State College HRB emplyees (The Droski Group) did an away assignment at H

RB's Sister Company, Kearfott in Little Falls, NJ- project TACMS . Kearfott was founded in 1917

as The Kearfott Company Inc., becoming the Kearfott Division of the General Precision Equipment

Corporation in 1955 and then, in 1968, the Kearfott Division of Singer Business Corporation.

In 1987 Singer split Kearfott; the Kearfott Guidance & Navigation division was sold to the

Astronautics Corporation of America in 1988, and the Electronic Systems Division was purchased by

GEC-Marconi in 1990 and renamed GEC-Marconi Electronic Systems.

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Read my post Number 52, and then read the following, also compare the information contained on this thread with the thread on Lansdale, I don't believe there

are any two threads on the Forum that intertwine with each other in a more remarkable way.......

Carl J Baer

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Patented Oct. 26, 1943

2,332,549

UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE

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SUBMARINE CRAFT : ' .-.-. Carl J. Baer, Lemay Station, Mo. Application July 15,1941, Serial No. 402,529

5 Claims. (CI. 114—16.7) — ..".

This invention is concerned primarily with the provision of multiple submarine craft by means of which there may be removably nested .upon a submarine, of normal size, and during partial or total submergence thereof, one or more auxiliary submarines and I consider it to be a material improvement over my patent on a Marine carrier, Number 2,134,352; and dated October, 1938. :

In the above mentioned patent there is the 10 contemplated use of small marine units in a mother ship and separable therefrom by flotation methods. The parent craft in said patent being a streamlined dry dock with a gate hold, a hatch susceptible of opening and closing anc^ admitting 15 water, when the craft is partially submerged, into certain compartments in the parent craft thereby enabling the flotation of smaller units in and out of the parent craft without the use of mechanical equipment, however, the modified craft under this application contemplates the structure of craft known as submarines in two or more units of vessels of the submarine type each of which is fully equipped and operative independently as submarines, and which may be designed in any: vi-3 shape, form, size or type, and of such structure that the miniature submarine is removably nested in and attached to the hull of the parent submarine, during complete submergence, in such manner that a passageway may be established,: 30 through connectible hatchways formed integrally on the surface and with the hull of both of said craft, and said hatchways may be opened or sealed at will.

With these and other objects in view, this invention consists in certain novel features of construction, combination, and arrangement of parts to be more fully described and claimed.

For a complete understanding of this invention reference is to be had to the following description and accompanying drawings, in which

Figure 1, is a side elevational view of a craft embodying my invention.

Figure 2, is an enlarged side elevational view of the stern portion of the hull embodying my invention, and partially in section.

Figure 3, is a plan view of the stern portion of a submarine hull embodying a part of this invention.

Fig. 4 is a broken view and section on substantially line 4—4 Pig. 2 of a portion of the hull of the parent craft, disclosing channels in nesting depressions within said hull, and an auxiliary craft nested in one of said depressions.

Now referring more particularly to the drawings there is shown what is herein described as a parent craft A and an auxiliary craft B, and while the drawings do not show detail of structure of bulkheads, conventional operating machinery, radio equipment, and rigging, it is intended both the parent and the auxiliary craft shall be of normal structure with such exceptions as.my invention may require and fully equipped that they may.be operatable either when joined together or separated for multiple or single sub.marine usage.

Suitably disposed within the surface of the hull of the parent craft A,, are depressions 2 forming a nest or recess for seating the auxiliary craft B, the line of said depression or recess following substantially the contour of the lower portion of the hull of the auxiliary :craft, with the exception of the bow and stern ends thereof which are sloped at a greater.angle than the configuration of the vessel craft to be nested therein to permit longitudinal movement thereof'. during entry to or withdrawal from said nest, angle of bow slope being more abrupt than stern slope to provide the further element of an abutment for the auxiliary craft, at lower portion of its bow, when ' nested. '.•••••

Substantially centrally disposed in said depression or recess, is hatch 3 and within the hull of the baby submarine is a hatch 4 said hatches having complementary joint parts composed of male and female portions 5 and 6 respectively and during nesting of the auxiliary craft upon the parent craft there is interval, said portions 5 and 6, gaskets 7 and 8 through which sealing of the joint is effected when the auxiliary craft is weighted by water suitably disposed within the hull in sufficient amount that its contents of water plus weight of craft is heavier than the amount of water which the auxiliary craft displaces in normal operation. The auxiliary craft may also be held in juxtaposition with the parent craft by suitable mechanical means.

Longitudinally disposed within the nest 2 are channels 12 to permit the flow of water under the auxiliary craft without affecting its nesting properties and enabling the miniature submarine to operate its driving propeller, rudder or other driving mechanism while seated in the nest and to aid in releasing it from or seating it in its nesting place.

It is obvious that the above described complementary connection forms a double hatchway which may be opened or closed by removal or replacement of the hatches 9.

During the above described nesting operation

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water is accumulated with the hatchway 5 and to provide suitable drainage means for same, before opening the hatchway, 1 provide a drainage opening 10 from which suitable controllable drainage means may be extended.

Location posts or rods can be placed at the bow and stern points of the nest 2 for use as guiding means for the miniature submarine to locate its position above the nest in which it is to rest. The shape and design of the nest is in conformity to readily make the hull of the auxiliary craft fit substantially therewith, joined with the weight of the water in said hull sufficient to sink it in place.

From the above description it will be-apparent to those skilled in the art that the details of construction illustrated herein may be varied without departure from the novel subject matter herein disclosed. It must therefore be understood that except as limited by the claims the invention is not limited to multiple submarine craft of the shape shown and described, or to the shape of the nest, holding means as between submarines when nested, or structure of the double hatchway, although utility resides .in this structure.

Although not shown in the drawing it is obvious that man passage ms.y be established as between two or more nest hatchways by means of water tight pipe or other suitable means foreign to the convential compartment passage ways, thereby providing means for escape from any compartment in submarine, connected thereby.

While it is not considered an essential part of this invention, if it is so desired, mooring lines may be considered a part of the rigging of the auxiliary craft, and which, when in communication with the parent craft, may be used as an aid in the nesting operation, or to maintain a Jinked contact with the parent craft, when unseated from the nest and in flotation.

The utility of submarine craft as herein described is far reaching, aside from having all the utility of the present day submarine, this type of craft provides added utility including such elements as a safety means especially in case of damage to a parent or associated auxiliary craft, further such a combination would be useful for carrying on combatant or observation service in view of the fact that the auxiliary units could distribute themselves in various areas for combat service and return to the parent craft for supplies and admitting the parent craft to take its resting place and discharge its auxiliary units for duty where ever required.

What is claimed:

1. A combination submarine and auxiliary submarine carried by and adaptable for nesting on said submarine, a nesting depression for said auxiliary submarine within the hull of the submarine, said depression having bow and stern ends sloped at greater angle than the configuration of the auxiliary submarine to be nested thereon, to permit forward or backward longitudinal movement of the auxiliary submarine during entry to or withdrawal from said nest.

2. The combination of a submarine and auxiliary submarine carried by and adaptable for nesting on said submarine, a nesting depression for said auxiliary submarine within the submarine, said depression having bow and stern ends sloped at greater angle than the configuration of the auxiliary submarine to be nested thereon, to permit forward or backward longitudinal movement of the auxiliary submarine during entry to or withdrawal from said nest, the bow of said depression sloped at an angle to further provide an abutment for the lower portion of the bow of the auxiliary submarine when nested.

3. The combination of a submarine and auxiliary submarine carried thereon and adaptable for nesting on said parent craft, a nesting depression for said auxiliary submarine within the hull of the submarine, said depression having bow and stern ends sloped at greater angle than the configuration of the auxiliary submarine to be nested thereon, to permit forward or backward longitudinal movement of the auxiliary submarine during entry to or withdrawal from said nest, and longitudinal channels disposed within the base of said depression to permit flow of water under a nested submarine, without affecting nesting properties, thereby enabling submarine propulsion within said nest.

4. The combination of a submarine and auxiliary submarine adaptable for nesting on said parent submarine, a nesting depression for said auxiliary submarine within the hull of the parent submarine and longitudinal channels disposed within the base of said depression to permit flow of water under a nested submarine, without effecting nesting properties, thereby enabling submarine propulsion within said nest.

5. In a craft, comprising, a submarine and auxiliary submarine adaptable for nesting on said parent submarine, a nest for said auxiliary submarine within said parent submarine and means disposed within said nest to permit flow of water under a nested submarine, without affecting nesting properties, thereby enabling submarine propulsion within said nest.

CARL, J. BAER.

Robert

Note the second patent is for October 26, 1943

Baer, Carl Carl Joseph Baer was born on October 10, 1921 in Little Rock, Ark. to Will Joseph and Pauline Baer. He passed away on October 1, 2009 in Plano, Texas. He had one brother, William. He graduated from Little Rock Senior High School in 1939, where he lettered in football, track and made all-conference in basketball. He attended Arkansas State Teachers College and UCLA, where he also excelled in academics and sports. He enlisted in the Navy during WWII, and attended Midshipmen's School at Columbia University where he graduated third in his class and was commissioned as an Ensign. He met the love of his life, Billie Marie Mathis, and made her his bride in 1945. They had 64 wonderful years together. He started his career in banking and insurance before he joined Powell and Satterfield Investment Firm and stayed with the firm until 1977. In 1977, Rauscher - Pierce Investment Firm recruited him to move to Dallas and he left his beloved Arkansas to advance his career and be closer to his son and his family. He was with Rauscher - Pierce Investment Firm for 18 years, rose to the position of Vice-President, and retired in 1995. He was an avid golfer and won the Little Rock City Championship three times, the Pleasant Valley Country Club Championship and Riverdale Country Club Championship. Over the course of his golfing avocation, he made 10 hole-in-ones, his last coming in San Antonio in 1999, at the age of 78. He is survived by his loving wife, Billie, his son, Michael and his daughter-in-law, Sharon, his grandson Joshua, his wife, Jenny, and great grandson, Oliver, and grandson Brandon. Carl was a devoted husband, father and grandfather, loved and respected by all who knew him, lived his life by the golden rule and was one of the greatest joke tellers of all time. He loved to laugh, almost as much as he loved to bring laughter to others. He was a good and kind man and he will be missed by all. Memorial services will be at 2:00 PM Friday, October 9, 2009 in the Ted Dickey West Funeral Home Chapel. The family suggests memorials may be made to The Church of the Transfiguration, 14115 Hillcrest Rd, Dallas, TX 75254 or to Alzheimer's Foundation of America, 322 Eighth Ave., New York, NY 10001

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There was also a Henry Baer, who was the law partner of William McKenzie, if anyone is keeping score.

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03-29-1940; DMN Luncheon Planned for Girl Reserve Advisers, Sponsors; Dallas YWCA ...member Girl Reserve Mother’s Council Mrs. Carl T. Baer

05-29-1940; DMN Miss Bassett, Bride-Elect, Will be Guest for Shower; Bassett is bride elect of Lt. Jack Merrill [Merrill’s Marauders?] Guest’s included Mrs Carl Baer

12-02-1940; Echoes from the City Hall; Article Type: News/Opinion......[Here and There Carl Baer, chief design engineer, for the public works department has been given a leave to

assist Rollins and Forest on national defense construction in Mineral Wells. . .

07-04-1941; DMN Design Engineer Wanted by City as Baer Leaves; City officials were looking for a new design engineer as Carl Baer prepared to leave

that job and report for active duty as major on the staff of the Eighth Construction Zone, United States Army Quartermaster Corps, San Antonio. Baer has been a member

of the city engineering staff for twelve years.

07-23-1941; DMN Engineer Enters Army; Major Carl T. Baer, formerly a civil engineer in Dalllas, has reported to the office of the constructing quartermaster

Eighth Construction Zone, Fort Sam Houston, for extended active duty. Major Baer was in the Coast Artillery Reserve before his call to active duty.

11-01-1941; Dallas Naval Officer Transferred Recently Form Torpedoed Ship;

Fate may have spared the life of a Dallas native, by a 90-day margin because Lieutenant Sam D. Dealey was transferred from the Destroyer Reuben James

to submarine duty only three months ago, after having served as second-in-command of the fighting ship for two years.

Lieutenant Dealey, son of Mrs. Virgie Dealey, 1500 North Beckley, is in the Atlantic on submarine duty, and he probably does not know the fate of the Reuben James,

or one of his friends, Lieutenant Com. H. L. Edwards of San Saba, who was in charge of the destroyer.

After his graduation from Oak Cliff High School, Lieutenant Dealey attended the United States Naval Academy and there he and Lieutenant Commander Edwards became fast friends

Later Edwards became commanding officer of the Reuben James and Dealey was second-in-command until three months ago. Almost a year ago, on Nov. 16 and 17, 1940, they brought the Reuben James to Houston while escorting two submarines on a shakedown cruise, the two submarines were the Squalus, renamed the Sailfish after it was raised and reconditioned and the Thresher

04-08-1942; DMN McDonald in New Job as Designing Engineer; W. S. McDonald office engineer for the Dallas district office of the State Highway Dept., takes the place of Carl Baer

08-26-1942; Fightin Men; Major Carl T Baer formerly of Dallas, has been promoted to Lieutenant Colonel, engineers. He is chief of the engineering section at San Antonio.

Greenville, Texas - A Greenville bombadier with the United States Army Air Corps, Lieutenant Donald Miller, son of Mrs. W. N. Miller, was one of the Americans to drop bombs on bases in the Solomon Islands, his mother has learned. Mrs. Miller knew that her son was stationed in the Western Pacific, but she did not believe he was in the Battle of the Solomons until she received a clipping from an Oklahoma City, newspaper which told of the feats of Oklahomans and listed her son as one of the crew of a Flying Fortress which blasted Rabaul. Early in the war, Lieutenant Miller was cited for dropping a bomb which sank a Japanese warship.

12-25-1942; City Hall's Gay Christmas Eve is Hit Hard Blow by Wartime; Christmas Eve at City Hall was a ghost of its former self as the once gay holiday passed with a dullness

that would have made many an oldtimer shudder and go out looking for gayer pastures.......

City Manager James W Aston, who joined the parties, when he came into the municipal organization as a youngster, only a few years ago, and grew into the job of City Manager is

at the headquarters of the Army Air Forces at Washington as a lieutenant colonel.

others scattered to the four winds include Major R.G. Storey, and Capt. Hamilton Lee both former President’s of the Park Board, Major Carl Baer from the Public Works Department,

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Robert,

Could you give me a quick summary of your points? I'm not a JFK person, and have no knowledge nor real interest in the subject... but matters naval and some mention of technological development interests me.

Thanks!

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In regards to the origin of the Thresher links to the JFK assassinatiojn, I would point out first that the Thresher went down while on deep diving tests in the North Atlantic on April 10, 1963, the same day Oswald is accused of trying to shoot Gen. Walker in Dallas.

According to former Bendix employee Edward Bray, he met three men who visited him at home saying they had formed a group Justice For the Crew Of the Thresher (JFCOTT), and theatened JFK, much like three men who visited Sylvia Odio, and in a court case Bray vs. Bendix, there is mention of another film of the assassination - a film other than the Zapruder film.

The Woods Hole research facility mentioned in one of Robert's more recent posts is also very close in proximity to the Forbes private island off Massachusetts where Ruth Paine visited Michael Paine's family in the summer of '63 before returning home via Philadelphia (visiting Arthur Young and Michael's mom), DC, Ohio and New Orelans, where she picked up Marina, the baby and ostensibly the rifle and brought them to Texas while Oswald went to Mexico City.

There certainly are a number of leads here that have yet to be run down.

BK

Strange court correspondence. The only Edward F. Bray I found was an officer in the CCIA, the Connecticut Contractors Industrial Association. The man Bray claimed to have film of the assassination taken from the TSBD and a film of a practice ambush staged at Denison Dam, Wyoming.

Anyone else heard of this anomalous film, or films? He claims to have offered it to LIFE magazine, and that is stimulated an ONI investigation. Bray also claims to have warned Connally in a letter in August of 1963. Strange....

[the court documents refer to CIVIL ACTION 27451, 7th District Court Wyoming, 1965 "Bendix Corporation vs. Bray"]

Addition to post:

Larry Hancock was right. I googled BENDIX BRAY and found this in FAIRPLAY online magazine.

Excerpt of long article [red text copyright Richard Bartholomew 1994] :

Bill Kelly made a fascinating connection regarding the June 7, 1963 Life magazine (see my appendix). I looked through it in vain for anything as obviously JFK connected as in the Esquires. Bill called on May 14, 1994 and said it is obvious if you are familiar with a little-known story among the Kennedy assassination lore. In the magazine is a small story about dredging the underwater debris field of a nuclear sub that sank the previous April, the Thresher.

As I have recently learned, only a handful of researchers -- Bill Turner, Kenneth Formet and Larry Haapanen among them -- know anything about this aspect of the assassination. According to Kelly and Haapanen, no one has ever published a word about it; a fact that is most intriguing with regard to Wing's back seat magazines. It is the Bray-Thresher story. I first read about it in Bill Kelly's excellent unpublished manuscript.

In brief, Edward F. Bray sent Governor Connally a warning letter on August 12, 1963. It said that, "a plot is underway to assassinate you." Bray, who worked for the Bendix Corporation, claimed he had been visited by some men who said they were investigating the sinking of the Thresher. They said they were members of an organization known as Justice for the Crew of the Thresher (JFCOTT).

The men claimed its members were planning to assassinate John B. Connally and another former Secretary of the Navy, Fred Korth. Bray reported this to the authorities three months before the assassination. He also predicted, based on what he had learned from the men, that Connally would be shot by a disgruntled ex-serviceman with a high powered rifle while riding in an open car during a parade in Dallas.

The men later returned, according to Bray, and left him an 8mm film of the assassination, taken from the vantage point of the alleged assassin's lair on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. Bray claimed that stills from the film were received by Chief Justice Earl Warren.

The Bendix Corp. was the plaintiff and Bray was the defendant in a trial that took place in Natrona County, Wyoming in March, 1965. Court documents obtained by researcher Kenneth Forment indicate that Bray tried, unsuccessfully, to have the film entered into evidence.

Bray claimed he later showed the film to former Presidential assistant Theodore Sorensen, at a banquet in Portland, Oregon in 1966. when contacted by Formet, however, Sorensen's office, declined to comment on anything involving the assassination of President Kennedy.

Bill Kelly speculates that alternative motives were being set up for Oswald in case the `lone-nut' scenario did not hold up. The JFCOTT motive, according to Kelly, "was predicated upon Oswald's dissatisfaction with his `undesirable' military discharge."

Kelly also points out that during World War II, George DeMohrenschildt lived in Washington D.C. with two men, one a British MI6 agent, and the other a U.S. Naval officer named Hall, who was later a skipper of the Thresher, but not at the time of its accident.

Kelly also notes that "DeMohrenschildt also went out of his way to introduce Oswald to retired Admiral Chester `Henri' Bruton, a former nuclear sub commander who was a senior executive at Collins Radio. Burton's [sic] last job for the Navy was to redesign the Navy's communications systems with its nuclear submarine fleet."

On May 21, I talked with David Gage, whom I've known for several years through local politics. He joined the Navy in 1970, was in underwater demolitions, attended Marine sniper school, and spent most of his Navy career serving submarine duty. For many years he's been involved in high-level sonar research at the University of Texas.

When I mentioned the June 7, 1963 Life pictorial about the dredging operations, he surprised me by saying, "Yeah, the one showing the O-rings." I asked how he knew that. He said everyone in the submarine fraternity knows about the Thresher. He had never heard of JFCOTT or the Bray incident, however -- a fact also intriguing with regard to Wing.

According to Gage, the common opinion among submarine crews is that the official story is wrong. Thresher, he said, could not have been crushed due to a failure of its pressure gauges. Subs have several backup systems and the engineers even have non-technical means of sensing depth.

Gage's theory, shared by other submarine crewmen, is that Thresher was involved in an unauthorized search and destroy bluff of a Soviet sub. It is a game he admitted being involved in often. They would carry the bluff as far as opening the torpedo doors -- which can be heard by the enemy sub. When I asked if they always stopped short of firing, he said, "If they fired, no one ever admitted it."

He described a tricky maneuver that Hunter class subs use in this game to position themselves behind the enemy. It causes a period of blindness of the surrounding terrain. He suspects Thresher clipped a mountain during one of these maneuvers. A coverup could have simply been to keep the Soviets from making political hay out of it. But David said those who knew anything could have kept it from ONI investigators without all that much difficulty.

I asked him about Collins Radio equipment on board and he said he didn't know of any used for navigation, which is what he did. He added that they could have been used in communications but subs never transmitted, they only received. He encouraged me to keep digging and said if he comes across anyone with knowledge of the Thresher he would put me in touch with them. I also intend to contact a former next door neighbor, Eric Copt, who is now an executive with Chevron Oil in Denver, Colorado. He was serving on a sub in 1963 which was later in the Tonkin Gulf during the "attack" on the Maddox.

I also need to see if another fellow I know, Gerrell Moore, can shed any light on this. He's currently the comptroller of the Pflugerville Independent School District. He was the chief intelligence officer (NSA) aboard the Maddox during the Tonkin Gulf incidents. He's been telling what he knows about that period for years but none of the "authors" who have interviewed him, including one from U.S. News and World Report, have every published his more incriminating observations. He may at least know someone equally willing to talk about the Thresher. The fundamental question, though, is: What, if any, was George Wing's interest in the subject?

{End excerpt of the long FAIRPLAY online article by R. Bartholomew]

..............Well, that makes it all clear as mud................

This would indicate that BENDIX had some naval contracts and they sued Mr. Bray over these accusations about BENDIX employees planning an assassination (Connally's) ....... this all may lead somewhere. It is possible Mr. Bray stumbled onto the planning of an assassination ...

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Bill, are you unaware of this, or dismissive of it to the point of considering it not worthy of mention? There is another FBI document dated

a year later, attributing Bray's mass mailings to diagnosed mental disorder.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62363&relPageId=212

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http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box8.htm

1. Letter, by Edward F. Bray. Correspondence concerning threats against John Connally by the Justice for the Crew of the Thresher (JFCOTT), (Original), date unknown. 00002437 5 pages 08 07 001 2437-001.gif 2437-002.gif 2437-003.gif 2437-004.gif 2437-005.gif

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Holding myself to the same high standard of disclosure, I am suspicious of the authorship of letter, above.

If it was written by Ruth Bray, the contents, especially the bottom paragraph, are troubling for the FBI position.

More...

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box13.htm

8. Handbill, by Edward F. Bray. Handbill concerning the Warren Commission and Justice for the Crew of the Thresher, (Photocopy), 03/15/65. 00002765 3 pages 13 05 008 2765-001.gif 2765-002.gif 2765-003.gif

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To Evan Burton, I would imagine your technical knowledge of submarines far exceed mine, so if your request for summary of points is in reference to that I would not be able to help you.

If your request for summary of points relates to some of the individuals I have posted information about, I would say that in my view the the Thresher incident, the fact that the submarine went down on the same day that there was an "attempt" [and I use the word loosely] on the life of Edwin Walker in my estimation, begs for closer examination.

Edward Bray is just one of many persons who was categorized as a mental case, but the fact remains that the tag, or portrayal of mental cases, also fits anybody in the Warren

Commission period who suggested or claimed, or "allegedly" produced evidence pointing to a conspiracy in President Kennedy's death.

So there is obviously a chasm between believers in Oswald's guilt as the assassin of JFK and those who do not.

What I have attempted to do, and I am not sure I have done a really good job, is look for persons, beneath the surface who had some type of connection to the Thresher incident.

The issue of patents granted during World War II, see my first post re that, is why I am interested in Carl J Baer.

In fact the Baer surname is more than interesting, those who believe I am jumping the gun on this will certainly have ample fodder for accusations that I am stirring an empty pot,

but so far I have presented evidence that Sam Dealey had a connection loosely, albeit to the Thresher saga, that there is a good chance that Carl J Baer, may have been

related to Carl T Baer, and that some Dallas government officials circa World War II were employees of the Park Board, which is pertinent due to the fact, that somewhat recently

it was claimed by a retired Dallas Police officer that members of the Game and Fish Commission were among the first to enter the Texas School Book Depository, see thread Texas Game and Fish Commission.

As far as the Baer name I would suggest that for those interested in this area read Peter Dale Scott's research into Henry Baer, when considering whether I am on a fishing expedition.

Or consider the following death, which took place in June of 1963.......

12-15-1963 Nazi Death Camp Operators to Go on Trial This Week......Auschwitz's last commander S.S. officer Richard Baer, was to be the star defendant at the trial, but he died of a heart attack.

Particularly noteworthy is the fate of the most prominent of the defendants, Richard Baer, the last commandant of Auschwitz. He did not live to see the beginning of the trial. In December of 1960, Baer was arrested in the vicinity of Hamburg, where he was employed as a lumberjack. He died in June of 1963 under mysterious circumstance while being held in pre-trial custody, According to various sources, which, in turn, rely on reports that appeared in the French press, Baer adamantly refused to confirm the existence of "gas chambers" at the camp he once administered. Although it has been alleged that he was eliminated by poisoning on account of this refusal, the cause of his death has never been established. His wife claimed that he was in excellent health. While Langbein merely states that an autopsy revealed that he died of "natural causes," Naumann specifies a "circulatory ailment" as the cause of death. Of course a circulatory ailment is only a symptom of pre-existing disease that has causes of its own. It is quite possible, however, that the physical condition of this strong and healthy outdoor laborer deteriorated as a result of his treatment in prison. That would be damning enough to those suspicious of the whole affair when one reads the report on the autopsy performed at the Frankfurt-Main University School of Medicine: "The ingestion of an odorless, non-corrosive poison...cannot be ruled out." Nevertheless, there was no further probe into the cause of Baer's death, and chief Public Prosecutor Bauer (Jewish - JB) ordered his body cremated.

COMMENT: Could this be the same prosecutor Bauer who faithfully supplied the Israelis with information which led to the capture of Adolf Eichmann? Yes, it is one and the same, and one wonders why this Jewish prosecutor was supplying information to the Israelis rather than to the German Government.

Was Bauer part of a conspiracy to eliminate the last major potential witness to the events which transpired in Auschwitz? Note with what ease the major players were eliminated in this regard, one by one: 1. Himmler 2. Globocnik 3. Wirth 4. Preutzmann 5. Aumeir 6. Hoess 7.

Liebehenschel, Hoess, and Liebehenschel werre rather foregone conclusions, after all, but even the minor players in the Auschwitz camp were systematically hunted down and silently eliminated, whenever and wherever possible. In fact, after the capture of Eichmann, it appears that someone noticed that Baer was still at large and instituted steps which led to his capture. Apparently the intent had been that a German trial would nicely compliment the Eichmann trial, but those responsible for the creation of this judicial facade did not count on Baer's intractable position in relation to the gas chamber claims. Thus, the need for his fast and silent elimination, after which Baer's body is ordered cremated by none other than Bauer himself!

http://www.cwporter.com/b1.htm

Addendum: Anyone who knows me, and has read my posts, knows that I abhor anti-Semitism, I am not endorsing any comments or beliefs of the website mentioned, but merely trying to point out that in June 1963 Richard Baer, in Cologne, Germany, died under strange circumstances.

Connections between Richard Baer in Germany and persons in Dallas are not being inferred, but there are German aspects to the assassination, [see thread mentioning Anton Erdinger] in which events which potentially provide linkages are not mutually exclusive, from other areas hitherto unknown.

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Hi Tom,

No, I was not aware of these documents, though I was aware of the fact that Bray was considered a nut case. He did have a court case however, the transcript of which takes up an entire roll of microfim, so somebody took him seriously enough to go to court.

Nor do I think, however crazy he was, that he made up the JFCOTT visitors, and Odio was subjected to the same accusations that she too was crazy.

And maybe they were, though parts of their stories are verifiable.

Such as Bray most certainly did work for Bendix on top secret projects, and Odio was the daughter of a member of JURE who was imprisoned in Cuba for harboriong a Castro assassin.

BK

Bill, are you unaware of this, or dismissive of it to the point of considering it not worthy of mention? There is another FBI document dated

a year later, attributing Bray's mass mailings to diagnosed mental disorder.

http://www.maryferre...3&relPageId=212

a href=

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box8.htm

1. Letter, by Edward F. Bray. Correspondence concerning threats against John Connally by the Justice for the Crew of the Thresher (JFCOTT), (Original), date unknown. 00002437 5 pages 08 07 001 2437-001.gif 2437-002.gif 2437-003.gif 2437-004.gif 2437-005.gif

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Holding myself to the same high standard of disclosure, I am suspicious of the authorship of letter, above.

If it was written by Ruth Bray, the contents, especially the bottom paragraph, are troubling for the FBI position.

More...

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box13.htm

8. Handbill, by Edward F. Bray. Handbill concerning the Warren Commission and Justice for the Crew of the Thresher, (Photocopy), 03/15/65. 00002765 3 pages 13 05 008 2765-001.gif 2765-002.gif 2765-003.gif

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Article is dated 05 December, 1965, four weeks after

the great northeast U.S. power failure.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Blackout_of_1965

Unless this can be attributed to an official campaign to discredit Edward Bray, this isn't looking like a good indicator of his overall credibility.:

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Robert,

Carl J. Baer, born in 1921 in the obit you posted, would have been a high school junior at the time of the 1938 patent described in the google book link. The Baer person who patented the 1943 invention was from Lemay Station, MO, just outside of St. Louis, MO.

http://www.google.com/patents?printsec=abstract&zoom=4&id=38ZHAAAAEBAJ&output=text&pg=PA3

....Patented Oct. 26, 1943

2,332,549

UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE

2,332,549

SUBMARINE CRAFT : ' .-.-. Carl J. Baer, Lemay Station, Mo. Application July 15,1941, Serial No. 402,529

5 Claims. (CI. 114—16.7) — ..".

This invention is concerned primarily with the provision of multiple submarine craft by means of which there may be removably nested .upon a submarine, of normal size, and during partial or total submergence thereof, one or more aux- 5 iliary submarines and I consider it to be a material improvement over my patent on a Marine carrier, Number 2,134,352; and dated October, 1938. :

In May, 1899, the Carl J. Baer described below received an M.D. degree, and had already earned a law degree.:

http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=carl+baer+Gambier&btnG=Search+Books#hl=en&safe=off&q=carl%20j%20baer%20%22University%20of%20Cincinnati%22&psj=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw&psj=1&fp=d6c676e6ca915cda

Annual reports - Google Books Result

University of Cincinnati - 1887

... awarded the prize by the committee, composed of Judge John R. Sayler, Mr. Jos. ... upon forty young men, whose names follow : OHIO— Carl J. Baer, LL. ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZAQ9AAAAYAAJ&pg=RA2-PA164&lpg=RA2-PA164&dq=carl+baer+Gambier+military&source=bl&ots=bBqQBq_0Qk&sig=sWX7yPddKomugL9FNXW7PNDYsmg&hl=en&ei=sn0ZTZKWPIP-8Aa7wPi5Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=carl%20baer%20Gambier%20military&f=false

Town development - Google Books Result

Town Development Company - 1916 - Business & Economics

A native of Gallipolis, Ohio, Mr. Baer was educated at the Gambier Military Academy and at the University of Cincinnati, Ohio. From the latter institution ...

books.google.com/books?id=ZAQ9AAAAYAAJ...

I strongly suspect that the inventor Carl J. Baer also invented the SUNCO system of inland waterway transport, a diesel electric propulsion system.:

http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=carl+baer+sunco&btnG=Search+Books#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Standard+Unit+Navigation+Company%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=%22Standard+Unit+Navigation+Company%22&gs_rfai=&psj=1&fp=83f87efc6f926f13

Carl J. Baer, member of the St. Louis Chamber of Commerce, was president of Standard Unit Navigation Company aka SUNCO, in 1930.

http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=sunco+system&btnG=Search+Books#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbs=bks:1&q=Standard+Unit+Navigation+Company+carl+baer+Gallipolis+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=Standard+Unit+Navigation+Company+carl+baer+Gallipolis+&gs_rfai=&psj=1&fp=fc8aae4abccfd483

Missouri, mother of the West: Volume 3

No cover image

Walter Williams, Floyd Calvin Shoemaker - 1930 - Snippet view

CARL J. BAER is president of the Standard Unit Navigation Company, which was incorporated in Delaware, ... he was born on the banks of one of those waterways, at the historic old town of Gallipolis in Southern Ohio, on the Ohio River. ...

He was from Gallipolis, OH, and his family background is here.:

http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=sunco+system&btnG=Search+Books#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbs=bks:1&q=carl+baer+Gallipolis&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=carl+baer+Gallipolis&gs_rfai=&psj=1&fp=fc8aae4abccfd483

History of Fayette County, Ohio: her people, industries and ... - Page 647

Frank M. Allen - 1914 - 756 pages - Full view

Clarence N. Baer was four years of age when his parents left Gallipolis and located in W ashington CH He spent his summers in ... Carl J. Baer; secretary and treasurer, Clarence N. Baer, who is also acting as manager of the company. ...

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Carl J. Baer, born in 1921 in the obit you posted, would have been a high school junior at the time of the 1938 patent described in the google book link. The Baer person who patented the 1943 invention was from Lemay Station, MO, just outside of St. Louis, MO.

http://www.google.co...put=text&pg=PA3

....Patented Oct. 26, 1943

2,332,549

UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE

2,332,549

SUBMARINE CRAFT : ' .-.-. Carl J. Baer, Lemay Station, Mo. Application July 15,1941, Serial No. 402,529

5 Claims. (CI. 114—16.7) — ..".

This invention is concerned primarily with the provision of multiple submarine craft by means of which there may be removably nested .upon a submarine, of normal size, and during partial or total submergence thereof, one or more aux- 5 iliary submarines and I consider it to be a material improvement over my patent on a Marine carrier, Number 2,134,352; and dated October, 1938. :

In May, 1899, the Carl J. Baer described below received an M.D. degree, and had already earned a law degree.:

http://www.google.co...6c676e6ca915cda

Annual reports - Google Books Result

University of Cincinnati - 1887

... awarded the prize by the committee, composed of Judge John R. Sayler, Mr. Jos. ... upon forty young men, whose names follow : OHIO— Carl J. Baer, LL. ...

http://books.google....ilitary&f=false

Town development - Google Books Result

Town Development Company - 1916 - Business & Economics

A native of Gallipolis, Ohio, Mr. Baer was educated at the Gambier Military Academy and at the University of Cincinnati, Ohio. From the latter institution ...

books.google.com/books?id=ZAQ9AAAAYAAJ...

I strongly suspect that the inventor Carl J. Baer also invented the SUNCO system of inland waterway transport, a diesel electric propulsion system.:

http://www.google.co...3f87efc6f926f13

Carl J. Baer, member of the St. Louis Chamber of Commerce, was president of Standard Unit Navigation Company aka SUNCO, in 1930.

http://www.google.co...c8aae4abccfd483

Missouri, mother of the West: Volume 3

No cover image

Walter Williams, Floyd Calvin Shoemaker - 1930 - Snippet view

CARL J. BAER is president of the Standard Unit Navigation Company, which was incorporated in Delaware, ... he was born on the banks of one of those waterways, at the historic old town of Gallipolis in Southern Ohio, on the Ohio River. ...

He was from Gallipolis, OH, and his family background is here.:

http://www.google.co...c8aae4abccfd483

History of Fayette County, Ohio: her people, industries and ... - Page 647

Frank M. Allen - 1914 - 756 pages - Full view

Clarence N. Baer was four years of age when his parents left Gallipolis and located in W ashington CH He spent his summers in ... Carl J. Baer; secretary and treasurer, Clarence N. Baer, who is also acting as manager of the company. ...

My prediction is that there is definitely more to come.......

DMN March 10, 1946 Business in the News;

James G. Bray 6112 Kenwood, has resumed his duties

as assistant circulation manager of Texas Farm and

Ranch Publishing Company, following his recent

discharge from the Navy. Bray served fifteen months

in the Pacific. Another employee, Jack B. Blakeney,

6018 Kenwood, has returned to his civilian job

after three and a half years in the Army Air Corps

He was a captain at the time of his release

DMN October 6, 1963 Deaths and Funerals

Von M. Bray, 528 Monssen. survived by wife, Mrs.

Frances Bray, daughter Miss Deborah Bray, son

Vonam M Bray, Jr, both of Dallas; mother Mrs. L.G.

Bray, Cedar Hill; services 3 pm Lamar and Smith

Chapel, Rev W. Francis Craig officiating;

Pallbearers R.M. Davis, Dr. Jack C. Harper,

Raymond Castleman, E. R. Hinson, Jr.,

Charles Reagan, Charles Worthington.

Remains will lie in state until service time

Lamar & Smith WH6-2146

DMN July 5, 1966 Miss Bray, Mr. Reedy Are Wed;

Irwindell Methodist Church was the setting for the June 18 wedding of

Miss Betty Dianne Bray and Edward Allen Reedy, 3693 Folklore

Trail. The Rev. Jack Gibson officiated.

The bride is the daughter of Mrs. Leslie William Bray 3405, W. Illinois

and the late Mr. Bray. Parents of the bridegroom are Mr. and Mrs. Garland

V. Reedy of Austin.

The bride was given in marriage by her brother Col. Lester William Bray,

Jr., of San Antonio. Her honor attendants were Mrs. Richard Menchaca of

Irving, and Mrs. Janet Nelson of Texarkana Ark., G. V. Reedy Jr., of Hous-

ton was best man.

Mrs Reedy is a graduate of North Texas State University and her husband

was graduated from the University of Texas

After a wedding trip to San Francisco and Carmel, Calif., and Las Vegas

Nev., they will live at the Folklore Trail address.

I just need more time, and I will figure this out.

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DATE 9-23-66

TO: DIRECTOR FBI

FROM: SAC SEATTLE (89-47)

Subject: PPRESIDENTS COMMISSION ON

THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY

There is attached a pamphlet entitled “The Warren Report Is A Hoax,”

which has been recieved in the Seattle Division in an envelope postmarked

Coos Bay, Oregon, with the return address Box 652 Empire, Oregon, on it.

The identity of the sender is not known. Therefore the letter has not been

acknowledged.

Since undoubtedly, this pamphlet has been widely circulated, it is

presumed the Bureau is aware of the source already.

THE WARREN REPORT IS A HOAX

five members of the organization known as JFCOTT

(Justice for crew of the Thresher) planned and carried out the Dallas tragedy.

Les and Joe were in the Texas Building, Art and Orville were on the overpass

of the causeway. There leader was a man known as H. C. Hill. He was outside

the Texas Building and directed the operation and escape by means of

shortwave radio. Lee Harvey Oswald was setup as “A Patsy” by Hill. Two and

ONLY two shots were fired from the Texas Building.

In August of 1963, over three months prior to the tragedy Naval Officials,

Postal Authorities and others knew that the organization was in Dallas, Texas

making plans to assassinate the former Secretary of Navy Gov. John Connally.

They knew that this group of men had vowed to secure justice in their own way

for the I29 youngf Americans who were aboard the Sub Thresher.

Members of JFCOTT were aware of the fact that Naval Officials, U. S. Senator

Richard B. Russell, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and

others had been warned that Navy was going to lose a “N” sub because

fradulent pressure/depth tests had been used on equipment built for Subs of the

Thresher class.

Naval officials and others have made an all out effort to suppress this evidence.

This court filed Evidence Excluded From The Warren Report is being made

available to the American people. Five thousand volumes will soon roll off the

presses. You can reserve your copy by mailing your check or money order

for $I0.00 to :

Evidence

P.O. Box 652

Empire, Oregon

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62240&relPageId=171

I have never seen any documents related to the Thresher incident that were this detailed, or is it just me?

PS There was one thing that i wanted to point out, and I am not sure whether or not

it is significant but when the reproduction of the pamphlet begins, one could draw the conclusion

that a portion was possibly not included, but that is purely speculative.

For anyone wondering there are no shortage of Hill's in the Warren Report.

HILL, BETH -----

Sources: CE 1578; CD 86, p. 442

Mary's

Comments: -----

HILL, BILLY -----

Sources: Dallas Morning News, Thursday, November 9, 2000

Mary's

Comments: Son of Jean Hill; attorney; was married to Nolanda Hill, "friend" of Ron Brown, Clinton's Secretary of Commerce.

HILL, CLINTON J.

Sources: Warren Report, 21-22, 6064, 66, 71, 109, 429; WC Vol 2, p. 138; CD 205, p. 25; CD 821; CD 1095; Rush to Judgment, Lane, 57, 64, 66; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 34, 328; Witnesses, 40; Ambassador's Journal, Galbraith, 588

Mary's

Comments: Secret Service Agent. Riding on left front running board of President's follow-up car. Witnessed assassination. Was advance man for Jackie Kennedy's March 1962 trip to India.

HILL, COLEMAN -----

Sources: CD 7, p. 646

Mary's

Comments: Manager of apartment building at 114 Plant, Tampa.

HILL, G. R.

Sources: CE 1999 (?); CD 1444 (?); Oswald Talked, LaFontaines, p. 392

Mary's

Comments: Re: Oswald in jail?

HILL, GERALD LYNN (SGT. DPD) (JERRY)

Sources: Warren Report, 111, 167; WC Vol 22, pp. 920-921; WC Vol 23, p. 39; CE 2160; CD 7, p. 224; Hill Exhibits; CD 205, pp. 206-207; CD 1191, pp. 86-88; CD 1210, p. 3; CD 1395, pp. 2, ii; CD 1405; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 123-128, 159, 189; Rush to Judgment, Lane, 135, 197; Dallas Morning News, Fri, Jan 25, 1974

Mary's

Comments: Born in Ferris, TX. Wife: Bobbye J. Dallas Police Sergeant. Was at TSBD and found hulls on 6th floor. Was at Texas Theater when LHO arrested. In Jan 1974, "...Hill was removed Thursday as commander of Bexar Street station's 34-member investigative unit... It was latest in a series of moves down the ladder for the 44-yr-old officer."

HILL, GLADWIN -----

Sources: CE 1757; CD 85, pp. 416-418; Oswald: Assassin or Fall Guy, Joesten, 58, 63-64

Mary's

Comments: New York Times reporter.

HILL, HERMAN -----

Sources: WC Vol 25, p. 506; CE 2415; CD 1215

Mary's

Comments: Property Room supervisor for Dallas Police. Hill and FBI Special Agent Manning Clements examined property taken from Jack Ruby.

HILL, JAMES T.

Sources: CE 2925; CD 205, p. 114

Mary's

Comments: 1963 Chevrolet with 1963 Texas license No. PU 7862 registered to him.

HILL, JEAN LOLLIS (MRS.)

Sources: WC Vol 6, p. 207; CE 2003, p. 212; CE 2582; CE 2594; Decker Exh. 5323, p. 479; Hill Exhibit; Dallas Times Herald, 11/22/63, pp. 17, 19; Dallas Times Herald, 11/23/63 p. 8; CD 711; CD 897, pp. 43-45, 47-48; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 96, 278; Rush to Judgment, Lane, 41, 262, 285, 345, 389; Inquest, Epstein, 70; Oswald: Assassin or Fall Guy, Joesten, 173, 176, 182; Dallas Morning News, Thursday, Nov. 9, 2000, pg. 35A

Mary's

Comments: School teacher. Witnessed assassination with Mary Moorman. Died Tuesday, Nov. 7, 2000, at 8:30 am at Parkland Hospital as result of massive heart attack. Survived by son, Billy Hill (an attorney who lives in Dallas and Cincinnati, Ohio) and daughter, Jeanne Poorman of Wilmett, Illinois. Jeanne's husband is attorney for man who owns Hyatt hotel chain. Poorman had been attorney with Johnson, Swanson firm in Dallas. Jean Hill also survived by mother: Irene Turner of Ft. Worth; two sisters: Wanda Jacobs of Ft. Worth, and ramona Boback of Hagerstown, MD; and six grandchildren.

Record: HILL, JOHN HENRY

Sources: CD 7, pp. 572, 575

Mary's

Comments: -----

HILL & MARTIN, ICE & COLD STORAGE -----

Sources: WC Vol 25, pp. 265, 269

Mary's Comments: Bruce Carlin called that number 10/21/63.

HILL, GERALD LYNN (SGT. DPD) (JERRY)

Sources: Warren Report, 111, 167; WC Vol 22, pp. 920-921; WC Vol 23, p. 39; CE 2160; CD 7, p. 224; Hill Exhibits; CD 205, pp. 206-207; CD 1191, pp. 86-88; CD 1210, p. 3; CD 1395, pp. 2, ii; CD 1405; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 123-128, 159, 189; Rush to Judgment, Lane, 135, 197; Dallas Morning News, Fri, Jan 25, 1974

Mary's Comments: Born in Ferris, TX. Wife: Bobbye J. Dallas Police Sergeant. Was at TSBD and found hulls on 6th floor. Was at Texas Theater when LHO arrested. In Jan 1974, "...Hill was removed Thursday as commander of Bexar Street station's 34-member investigative unit... It was latest in a series of moves down the ladder for the 44-yr-old officer."

HILL, JAMES T.

Sources: CE 2925; CD 205, p. 114

Mary's Comments: 1963 Chevrolet with 1963 Texas license No. PU 7862 registered to him.

Record: HILL, JO BETH

Sources: CD 7, p. 575

Mary's

Comments: -----

HILL, L. L.

Sources: Who Killed Kennedy, Buchanan, 94; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 283

Mary's

Comments: Dallas Police Department officer. Radio #22. Reports at Continental and Industrial at 12:48 p.m.

HILL, THOMAS

More on Thomas Hill

There are 4 NARA Docs on Thomas Hill

So far, I have only been able to find one on Mary Ferrell’s Website

It is a 3-8-1960 LHM to J. Edgar Hoover from the Dallas SAC of the FBI.

The document subject is Robert Welch Jr., and Hill is mentioned.

The document states “On 2-23-60, Mr. Thomas Hill 609 Lawson Road, Garland, Texas advised SA James Hosty, Jr., that on the previous evening he had attended a meeting at the home of some friends of his. This meeting was presided over by an individual also named Thomas Hill, reportedly from Dallas, who stated that he was a full-time paid coordinator for Robert H Welch, Jr., in organizing the “John Birch Society.” Mr. Hill stated that he had four part-time volunteer helpers and that the John Birch Society is now organized in fifteen states. Mr. Hill the paid organizer, told the Texas assembled group that he had previously attended Southern Methodist University (SMU), however, quit SMU because he considered it Communist controlled, and that it was after this that he went to work for Robert Welch, Jr. This meeting consisted of playing four thirty-minute tapes setting forth the aims and purposes of the John Birch Society, which is allegedly anti-Communist in nature. Mr. Hill, the complainant in this matter, stated that it appeared to him that the John Birch Society considers anyone even slightly liberal to be a Communist and he does not believe any of the individuals present at this meeting will join the John Birch Society. It appears they wish to organize the John Birch Society into groups of eight to ten persons who will meet in residences, the main purpose being to organize as many persons as possible to pressure Congress to enact what they allege to be anti-Communist......

HILL, RALPH -----

Sources: Interim Report on Assassinations, p. 329

Mary's

Comments: FBI Special Agent in charge of the investigation of Giancana.

HILL, SEABORN WILLIAM

Sources: WC Vol 22, p. 882

Mary's

Comments: Musician with Joe Johnson's band.

HILL'S LIQUOR STORE, ----- -----

Sources: CD 84, pp. 91-92

Mary's

Comments: Re: Joe Civello and Jack Ruby. Mark on LHO's Enco map at Boll and San Jacinto (one block away).

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FWIW, after reviewing Bray's letters, I tend to agree with the FBI about Bray's mental state. My feeling is he was a disgruntled employee with personality or psychiatric problems used to spread a story designed as a kind of backstop.

Any clues on who "HC Hill" is?

Bottom paragraph, per Greg Parker's 2006 broken link.:

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/24/2437-005.gif

and... "HC Hill and the others who planned the assassination..."

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"Magno-Pulser"? In mid-December, 1965, Paul Harvey referred to Bray's "magno-pulser" explanation for the cause of the 1965 northeast power failure.

He described his unnamed source of the device that could fit in a suitcase as "clandestine" and said the source was an authority on the subject Harvey was "afraid to ignore."

The FBI, WC, and Greg Parker seem unafraid to ignore Edward Bray. The only thing nagging at me is the letter allegedly sent by Bray's wife to McCormick at the Dallas News. If it is authentic, what are the odds she also suffered from similar mental disorder?

Did investigators attempt to track down HC Hill? The record is that a lot of them, from Wade's office in Dallas, to the FBI and the WC, knew of the name. Could all of them failed to treat the name HC Hill as a lead? I doubt that they all would have taken that risk.

Was Bray as portrayed in FBI and media reports so as to mislead the American people about his reliability and sanity? In 1963 and 1964, he is using the mails to distribute his rather sensationalist and unique take on a huge news event. Four weeks after the 1965 N.E. blackout, he is reported to be using the mails to distribute his rather sensationalist and unique take on a huge news event.

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FWIW, after reviewing Bray's letters, I tend to agree with the FBI about Bray's mental state. My feeling is he was a disgruntled employee with personality or psychiatric problems used to spread a story designed as a kind of backstop.

Any clues on who "HC Hill" is?

Bottom paragraph, per Greg Parker's 2006 broken link.:

http://jfk.ci.dallas...24/2437-005.gif

and... "HC Hill and the others who planned the assassination..."

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"Magno-Pulser"? In mid-December, 1965, Paul Harvey referred to Bray's "magno-pulser" explanation for the cause of the 1965 northeast power failure.

He described his unnamed source of the device that could fit in a suitcase as "clandestine" and said the source was an authority on the subject Harvey was "afraid to ignore."

The FBI, WC, and Greg Parker seem unafraid to ignore Edward Bray. The only thing nagging at me is the letter allegedly sent by Bray's wife to McCormick at the Dallas News. If it is authentic, what are the odds she also suffered from similar mental disorder?

Did investigators attempt to track down HC Hill? The record is that a lot of them, from Wade's office in Dallas, to the FBI and the WC, knew of the name. Could all of them failed to treat the name HC Hill as a lead? I doubt that they all would have taken that risk.

Was Bray as portrayed in FBI and media reports so as to mislead the American people about his reliability and sanity? In 1963 and 1964, he is using the mails to distribute his rather sensationalist and unique take on a huge news event. Four weeks after the 1965 N.E. blackout, he is reported to be using the mails to distribute his rather sensationalist and unique take on a huge news event.

Tom, I really appreciate the genealogy related searching you did on Baer. While there are a lot of Hill's in the MFF Database, H.C.Hill is something of a black hole, and, to be honest, as soon as I read the specific names of the shooters, along with "mastermind" H.C.Hill, I started getting a funny feeling.

First, it appears, unless I am mistaken that the Bray allegations re JFCOTT being the prime movers in the JFK Assassination have overtones of not being credible, to me.

My gut feeling is that if there is any smoke there, it is in the context of a disinformation story, in which Bray himself, may have been a party.....

I need to be clear that, the idea that some family members of the deceased crewmen of the Thresher felt there was a coverup of the real facts behind the loss of the Thresher,

is not at all hard to believe.

The idea of then Gov. John Connally being the target, is reminiscent of the assassination attempt by Guiseppe Zangara, on February 15, 1933, which took place in Bayfront Park in Miami, Roosevelt, of course was not hit, but Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak, was shot in the abdomen, and lingered about three weeks later, before he died.

There are other elements historically, that point to Connally being the real target, but I have never been a big proponent of them.

The main "Hill" names in the JFK assassination, other than those cited in the preceding post I included are:

Ralph Hil, a name associated with Bobby Baker, he was head of Capitol Vending Co., and Bobby Baker said he met him in 1962.

See pages 172-176; Wheeling and Dealing: Confessions of A Capitol Hill Operator - Bobby Baker w/Larry King - 1978- W.W. Norton & Co.,

also

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,938439-2,00.html

and Henry Hill, a member of the Lucchese crime family,and FBI informant who is mentioned in Frank Ragano's book.....

http://mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Henry_Hill

So, that's about the size of it.......

I'm not dismissing anything, but I was a little disappointed with the specifics of Bray's assassination story.

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DATE 9-23-66

TO: DIRECTOR FBI

FROM: SAC SEATTLE (89-47)

Subject: PPRESIDENTS COMMISSION ON

THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY

There is attached a pamphlet entitled "The Warren Report Is A Hoax,"

which has been recieved in the Seattle Division in an envelope postmarked

Coos Bay, Oregon, with the return address Box 652 Empire, Oregon, on it.

The identity of the sender is not known. Therefore the letter has not been

acknowledged.

Since undoubtedly, this pamphlet has been widely circulated, it is

presumed the Bureau is aware of the source already.

THE WARREN REPORT IS A HOAX

five members of the organization known as JFCOTT

(Justice for crew of the Thresher) planned and carried out the Dallas tragedy.

Les and Joe were in the Texas Building, Art and Orville were on the overpass

of the causeway. There leader was a man known as H. C. Hill. He was outside

the Texas Building and directed the operation and escape by means of

shortwave radio. Lee Harvey Oswald was setup as "A Patsy" by Hill. Two and

ONLY two shots were fired from the Texas Building.

In August of 1963, over three months prior to the tragedy Naval Officials,

Postal Authorities and others knew that the organization was in Dallas, Texas

making plans to assassinate the former Secretary of Navy Gov. John Connally.

They knew that this group of men had vowed to secure justice in their own way

for the I29 youngf Americans who were aboard the Sub Thresher.

Members of JFCOTT were aware of the fact that Naval Officials, U. S. Senator

Richard B. Russell, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and

others had been warned that Navy was going to lose a "N" sub because

fradulent pressure/depth tests had been used on equipment built for Subs of the

Thresher class.

Naval officials and others have made an all out effort to suppress this evidence.

This court filed Evidence Excluded From The Warren Report is being made

available to the American people. Five thousand volumes will soon roll off the

presses. You can reserve your copy by mailing your check or money order

for $I0.00 to :

Evidence

P.O. Box 652

Empire, Oregon

http://www.maryferre...0&relPageId=171

I have never seen any documents related to the Thresher incident that were this detailed, or is it just me?

PS There was one thing that i wanted to point out, and I am not sure whether or not

it is significant but when the reproduction of the pamphlet begins, one could draw the conclusion

that a portion was possibly not included, but that is purely speculative.

For anyone wondering there are no shortage of Hill's in the Warren Report.

HILL, BETH -----

Sources: CE 1578; CD 86, p. 442

Mary's

Comments: -----

HILL, BILLY -----

Sources: Dallas Morning News, Thursday, November 9, 2000

Mary's

Comments: Son of Jean Hill; attorney; was married to Nolanda Hill, "friend" of Ron Brown, Clinton's Secretary of Commerce.

HILL, CLINTON J.

Sources: Warren Report, 21-22, 6064, 66, 71, 109, 429; WC Vol 2, p. 138; CD 205, p. 25; CD 821; CD 1095; Rush to Judgment, Lane, 57, 64, 66; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 34, 328; Witnesses, 40; Ambassador's Journal, Galbraith, 588

Mary's

Comments: Secret Service Agent. Riding on left front running board of President's follow-up car. Witnessed assassination. Was advance man for Jackie Kennedy's March 1962 trip to India.

HILL, COLEMAN -----

Sources: CD 7, p. 646

Mary's

Comments: Manager of apartment building at 114 Plant, Tampa.

HILL, G. R.

Sources: CE 1999 (?); CD 1444 (?); Oswald Talked, LaFontaines, p. 392

Mary's

Comments: Re: Oswald in jail?

HILL, GERALD LYNN (SGT. DPD) (JERRY)

Sources: Warren Report, 111, 167; WC Vol 22, pp. 920-921; WC Vol 23, p. 39; CE 2160; CD 7, p. 224; Hill Exhibits; CD 205, pp. 206-207; CD 1191, pp. 86-88; CD 1210, p. 3; CD 1395, pp. 2, ii; CD 1405; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 123-128, 159, 189; Rush to Judgment, Lane, 135, 197; Dallas Morning News, Fri, Jan 25, 1974

Mary's

Comments: Born in Ferris, TX. Wife: Bobbye J. Dallas Police Sergeant. Was at TSBD and found hulls on 6th floor. Was at Texas Theater when LHO arrested. In Jan 1974, "...Hill was removed Thursday as commander of Bexar Street station's 34-member investigative unit... It was latest in a series of moves down the ladder for the 44-yr-old officer."

HILL, GLADWIN -----

Sources: CE 1757; CD 85, pp. 416-418; Oswald: Assassin or Fall Guy, Joesten, 58, 63-64

Mary's

Comments: New York Times reporter.

HILL, HERMAN -----

Sources: WC Vol 25, p. 506; CE 2415; CD 1215

Mary's

Comments: Property Room supervisor for Dallas Police. Hill and FBI Special Agent Manning Clements examined property taken from Jack Ruby.

HILL, JAMES T.

Sources: CE 2925; CD 205, p. 114

Mary's

Comments: 1963 Chevrolet with 1963 Texas license No. PU 7862 registered to him.

HILL, JEAN LOLLIS (MRS.)

Sources: WC Vol 6, p. 207; CE 2003, p. 212; CE 2582; CE 2594; Decker Exh. 5323, p. 479; Hill Exhibit; Dallas Times Herald, 11/22/63, pp. 17, 19; Dallas Times Herald, 11/23/63 p. 8; CD 711; CD 897, pp. 43-45, 47-48; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 96, 278; Rush to Judgment, Lane, 41, 262, 285, 345, 389; Inquest, Epstein, 70; Oswald: Assassin or Fall Guy, Joesten, 173, 176, 182; Dallas Morning News, Thursday, Nov. 9, 2000, pg. 35A

Mary's

Comments: School teacher. Witnessed assassination with Mary Moorman. Died Tuesday, Nov. 7, 2000, at 8:30 am at Parkland Hospital as result of massive heart attack. Survived by son, Billy Hill (an attorney who lives in Dallas and Cincinnati, Ohio) and daughter, Jeanne Poorman of Wilmett, Illinois. Jeanne's husband is attorney for man who owns Hyatt hotel chain. Poorman had been attorney with Johnson, Swanson firm in Dallas. Jean Hill also survived by mother: Irene Turner of Ft. Worth; two sisters: Wanda Jacobs of Ft. Worth, and ramona Boback of Hagerstown, MD; and six grandchildren.

Record: HILL, JOHN HENRY

Sources: CD 7, pp. 572, 575

Mary's

Comments: -----

HILL & MARTIN, ICE & COLD STORAGE -----

Sources: WC Vol 25, pp. 265, 269

Mary's Comments: Bruce Carlin called that number 10/21/63.

HILL, GERALD LYNN (SGT. DPD) (JERRY)

Sources: Warren Report, 111, 167; WC Vol 22, pp. 920-921; WC Vol 23, p. 39; CE 2160; CD 7, p. 224; Hill Exhibits; CD 205, pp. 206-207; CD 1191, pp. 86-88; CD 1210, p. 3; CD 1395, pp. 2, ii; CD 1405; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 123-128, 159, 189; Rush to Judgment, Lane, 135, 197; Dallas Morning News, Fri, Jan 25, 1974

Mary's Comments: Born in Ferris, TX. Wife: Bobbye J. Dallas Police Sergeant. Was at TSBD and found hulls on 6th floor. Was at Texas Theater when LHO arrested. In Jan 1974, "...Hill was removed Thursday as commander of Bexar Street station's 34-member investigative unit... It was latest in a series of moves down the ladder for the 44-yr-old officer."

HILL, JAMES T.

Sources: CE 2925; CD 205, p. 114

Mary's Comments: 1963 Chevrolet with 1963 Texas license No. PU 7862 registered to him.

Record: HILL, JO BETH

Sources: CD 7, p. 575

Mary's

Comments: -----

HILL, L. L.

Sources: Who Killed Kennedy, Buchanan, 94; Whitewash I, Weisberg, 283

Mary's

Comments: Dallas Police Department officer. Radio #22. Reports at Continental and Industrial at 12:48 p.m.

HILL, THOMAS

More on Thomas Hill

There are 4 NARA Docs on Thomas Hill

So far, I have only been able to find one on Mary Ferrell's Website

It is a 3-8-1960 LHM to J. Edgar Hoover from the Dallas SAC of the FBI.

The document subject is Robert Welch Jr., and Hill is mentioned.

The document states "On 2-23-60, Mr. Thomas Hill 609 Lawson Road, Garland, Texas advised SA James Hosty, Jr., that on the previous evening he had attended a meeting at the home of some friends of his. This meeting was presided over by an individual also named Thomas Hill, reportedly from Dallas, who stated that he was a full-time paid coordinator for Robert H Welch, Jr., in organizing the "John Birch Society." Mr. Hill stated that he had four part-time volunteer helpers and that the John Birch Society is now organized in fifteen states. Mr. Hill the paid organizer, told the Texas assembled group that he had previously attended Southern Methodist University (SMU), however, quit SMU because he considered it Communist controlled, and that it was after this that he went to work for Robert Welch, Jr. This meeting consisted of playing four thirty-minute tapes setting forth the aims and purposes of the John Birch Society, which is allegedly anti-Communist in nature. Mr. Hill, the complainant in this matter, stated that it appeared to him that the John Birch Society considers anyone even slightly liberal to be a Communist and he does not believe any of the individuals present at this meeting will join the John Birch Society. It appears they wish to organize the John Birch Society into groups of eight to ten persons who will meet in residences, the main purpose being to organize as many persons as possible to pressure Congress to enact what they allege to be anti-Communist......

HILL, RALPH -----

Sources: Interim Report on Assassinations, p. 329

Mary's

Comments: FBI Special Agent in charge of the investigation of Giancana.

HILL, SEABORN WILLIAM

Sources: WC Vol 22, p. 882

Mary's

Comments: Musician with Joe Johnson's band.

HILL'S LIQUOR STORE, ----- -----

Sources: CD 84, pp. 91-92

Mary's

Comments: Re: Joe Civello and Jack Ruby. Mark on LHO's Enco map at Boll and San Jacinto (one block away).

END

Robert, I don't know if this is our man "H. C. Hill," but he certainly looks interesting. - BK

HILL, THOMAS

More on Thomas Hill

There are 4 NARA Docs on Thomas Hill

So far, I have only been able to find one on Mary Ferrell’s Website

It is a 3-8-1960 LHM to J. Edgar Hoover from the Dallas SAC of the FBI.

The document subject is Robert Welch Jr., and Hill is mentioned.

The document states “On 2-23-60, Mr. Thomas Hill 609 Lawson Road, Garland, Texas advised SA James Hosty, Jr., that on the previous evening he had attended a meeting at the home of some friends of his. This meeting was presided over by an individual also named Thomas Hill, reportedly from Dallas, who stated that he was a full-time paid coordinator for Robert H Welch, Jr., in organizing the “John Birch Society.” Mr. Hill stated that he had four part-time volunteer helpers and that the John Birch Society is now organized in fifteen states. Mr. Hill the paid organizer, told the Texas assembled group that he had previously attended Southern Methodist University (SMU), however, quit SMU because he considered it Communist controlled, and that it was after this that he went to work for Robert Welch, Jr. This meeting consisted of playing four thirty-minute tapes setting forth the aims and purposes of the John Birch Society, which is allegedly anti-Communist in nature. Mr. Hill, the complainant in this matter, stated that it appeared to him that the John Birch Society considers anyone even slightly liberal to be a Communist and he does not believe any of the individuals present at this meeting will join the John Birch Society. It appears they wish to organize the John Birch Society into groups of eight to ten persons who will meet in residences, the main purpose being to organize as many persons as possible to pressure Congress to enact what they allege to be anti-Communist......

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