Headshot Theory

[Robin Unger]

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date 3/10/64

Mr. WALTER LUKE WINBORN, 2823 Maple Springs, Dallas, Texas, was interviewed at 500 South Houston Street, Dallas, and furnished the following information:

Mr. WINBORN stated he was presently employed as a switchman for Union Terminal Company, 500 South Houston Street, Dallas, and was so employed on November 22, 1963. On this date, Mr. WINBORN took a position on the Elm Street railroad viaduct so that he could observe the Presidential motorcade and President KENNEDY. As the motorcycle escort and the vehicle carrying the President approached the viaduct, Mr WINBORN heard three distinct shots ring out. Mr. WINBORN stated he was not able to ascertain exactly where the shots were fired from and his attention remained on President KENNEDY and the motorcycle escort. He stated, however, that the shots sounded as if they all came from the same area.

Mr. WINBORN stated that very shortly theafter the motorcycle escort dispersed and one motorcycle was abadoned by the police officer riding it on the grassy slope on the north side of Elm Streetand this officer rushed up the steps leading to the pavillion and was lost from sight. The vehicle carrying the President immediately left the area at a high rate of speed. Mr WINBORN then moved away from the east edge of the viaduct, where he could get a clear view of the area to the West of the Texas School Book Depositor Building (TSBD). he remained at this point and observed the approach to the railroad tracks for a few minutes, but failed to see anyone moving toward the railroad tracks.

Mr. WINBORN stated he then returned to his work and had no further personal kmowledge concerning the activities in this area.

Mr. WINBORN stated he did not know LEE HARVEY OSWALD and had never met JACK RUBY.

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on 3/17/64 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 100-10461

By Special Agent THOMAS T. TRETTIS JR. and E.J. ROBERTSON Date Dictated 3/17/64

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/wit.htm

Edited July 30, 2005 by Robin Unger

[Robin Unger]

VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86

SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS

Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Austin Lawerence Miller W/M26 Address 1006 Powell Circle, Mesquitte, Phone No AT 5-2998

Deposes and says:

My Business Address is Texas and Louisiana Freight Bureau, 125 Union Terminal Bldg. and the phone number is RI 1-1396. I and Roy Shelton who works with me was standing on the Tripple Underpass bridge with a large group of people watching the Presidential Motorcade. I saw a Convertable automobile turn West on Elm off Houston Street. It had preceeded about halfway from Houston Street to the underpass when I heard what sounded like a shot a short second two were sharp reports. A man in the back seat slumped over and a woman in bright collored dress (Orange or Yellow) grabbed the man and yelled. One shot apparently hit the street past the car. I saw something which I thought was smoke or steam coming from a group of trees north of Elm off the Railroad tracks. I did not see anyone on the tracks or in the trees. A large group of people concreated and a motorcycle officer dropped his motor and took off on foot to the car.XXXXXXXX

/s/ Austin L. Miller

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963

/s/ (illegible)

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

WC Testimony:

Mr. BELIN - Did you see any police officer around there?

Mr. MILLER - There was one on both sides of the bridge.

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?

Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.

Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?

Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.

Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?

Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.

Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?

Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.

Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?

Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.

Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?

Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?

Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.

Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?

Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't

Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before

Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't. We was all standing in one group right at the rail looking over, and the police officer, he was standing about 5 or 10 feet behind us.

Mr. BELIN - Now about how many were there in that group altogether, if you can remember?

Mr. MILLER - I would say in the neighborhood of 10 or 12 people. Maybe more, maybe less.

Mr. BELIN - Apart from those people, did you see anyone else in the vicinity at all on the railroad tracks?

Mr. MILLER - There was one young man or boy. He was going to come up on the tracks, but the officer stopped him and asked him where he was going, and he said he was going to come up where he could see, and he asked if he worked for the train station, and he said, "No," so the police officer made him go back down. Where he went to, I don't know.

Mr. BELIN - When was this?

Mr. MILLER - Oh, before the President came along.

Mr. BELIN - About how much before, do you know? Offhand?

Mr. MILLER - I couldn't say.

Mr. BELIN - Do you know anything about this man or boy that you described? About how old he was, or anything?

Mr. MILLER - I can't think. I would say he was in his early twenties.

Mr. BELIN - Tall or short?

Mr. MILLER - I don't remember that much about him. I do recall him coming up and the man talking to him and turning him back.

Mr. BELIN - So he went back down?

Mr. MILLER - Yes.

Mr. BELIN - Where did he come up from?

Mr. MILLER - He came up from the - I am going by where I was standing. He was from our left, from around behind that parking lot.

Mr. BELIN - Did you ever see him again or not?

Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. BELIN - Did you ever see anyone else in that area at all or anything on the railroad tracks at any time?

Mr. MILLER - No, Sir; not until after the shots were fired and the police officers came up the hill and climbed over the fence and started searching.

Mr. BELIN - That was the only other people that you saw?

Mr. MILLER - That is all I recall seeing.

[Lee Forman]

[Mr. BELIN - Apart from those people, did you see anyone else in the vicinity at all on the railroad tracks?

Mr. MILLER - There was one young man or boy. He was going to come up on the tracks, but the officer stopped him and asked him where he was going, and he said he was going to come up where he could see, and he asked if he worked for the train station, and he said, "No," so the police officer made him go back down. Where he went to, I don't know.

Mr. BELIN - When was this?

Mr. MILLER - Oh, before the President came along.

Mr. BELIN - About how much before, do you know? Offhand?

Mr. MILLER - I couldn't say.

Mr. BELIN - Do you know anything about this man or boy that you described? About how old he was, or anything?

Mr. MILLER - I can't think. I would say he was in his early twenties.

Mr. BELIN - Tall or short?

Mr. MILLER - I don't remember that much about him. I do recall him coming up and the man talking to him and turning him back.

Mr. BELIN - So he went back down?

Mr. MILLER - Yes.

Mr. BELIN - Where did he come up from?

Mr. MILLER - He came up from the - I am going by where I was standing. He was from our left, from around behind that parking lot.

Mr. BELIN - Did you ever see him again or not?

Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. BELIN - Did you ever see anyone else in that area at all or anything on the railroad tracks at any time?

Mr. MILLER - No, Sir; not until after the shots were fired and the police officers came up the hill and climbed over the fence and started searching.

Mr. BELIN - That was the only other people that you saw?

Mr. MILLER - That is all I recall seeing.

Robin,

I've seen this before - I see no reason why this could not have been Gordon Arnold. Just my opinion. Arnold reportedly died in 1997, however I was never able to find an obituary. Bizarre, if he had worked as a Government employee in Dallas, and had a military record of service.

- lee

In 1978, at a time when a House of Representatives Select Committee was stirring up public interest in JFK’s murder, some members of a Dallas jury panel, during a break in proceedings, began discussing the assassination. One member of the group, Gordon Arnold, volunteered the information that he had been an eyewitness in Dealey Plaza, but had never been interviewed by the authorities. 

Internet postings of Gary Mack and Jack White.

Close His statements were brought to the attention of newsman Earl Golz, who first reported Arnold’s tale in the Dallas Morning News of Sunday, August 27, 1978:

[John Dolva]

Lee, while looking at the Martin film for indications of wind directions (flag) I spotted this that might be of interest to you. It's the best res one I got, but no doubt better exist.

[John Dolva]

a moment later

[Robin Unger]

John looking at the coats in this muchmore frame, there appears to be a stiff breeze blowing from the north west.

[Thomas H. Purvis]

John looking at the coats in this muchmore frame, there appears to be a stiff breeze blowing from the north west.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Although the wind speed and gusts of wind in Dealy Plaza would most assuredly affect the sounds of the shots as heard by various witnesses, and an attempted study of the flag movement of the Presidential Flag on the front of the limousine is worthwhile, neither will provide the factual evidence necessary to end the controversy.

However, the position of Mary Moorman in relationship to the yellow mark on the curb, and her thereafter alignment with the flat platform section of the concrete walkway/steps in the background, as correlated with the Presidential Limousine, can place the approximate frame of the Z-film at which this photo was taken.

Once this is established, one can then make an attempt to determine the difficulty rating for Clint Hill (seen here) to overtake the Presidential Limousine were it travelling at a speed in excess of 13 mph.

Tom

[John Dolva]

John looking at the coats in this muchmore frame, there appears to be a stiff breeze blowing from the north west.

Although the wind speed and gusts of wind in Dealy Plaza would most assuredly affect the sounds of the shots as heard by various witnesses, and an attempted study of the flag movement of the Presidential Flag on the front of the limousine is worthwhile, neither will provide the factual evidence necessary to end the controversy.

However, the position of Mary Moorman in relationship to the yellow mark on the curb, and her thereafter alignment with the flat platform section of the concrete walkway/steps in the background, as correlated with the Presidential Limousine, can place the approximate frame of the Z-film at which this photo was taken.

Once this is established, one can then make an attempt to determine the difficulty rating for Clint Hill (seen here) to overtake the Presidential Limousine were it travelling at a speed in excess of 13 mph.

Tom

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Tom, I agree with all of the above. An added dimension that I'm looking at is the degree to which wind conditions need to be taken into account in a shot from perhaps more stable, predictable conditions, into an area of unpredictability. Hence deducing perhaps the degree of skill needed for the shot.

Also there is the peripheral issue of the 'smoke', and dispersal of wound matter.

Edited August 1, 2005 by John Dolva

[Guest Eugene B. Connolly]

Lee,

I took your photo and have done some work on it and

hope you find it interesting.

As far as I can see the subject seems to be standing

behind a car(?). The car front door seems to be open

and the subject is resting his right arm either

on the open door or perhaps the car roof.

Also the subject seems to be reflected

in the car roof (?) (as are other details beside the subject).

If it is not a car then perhaps some other

reflecting material - a white wall?

I would suggest the subject is a policeman.

On his right someone is standing slightly back from the

policeman (?) to the p'man's left with his back

to the camera. This individual seems to be wearing a dark

jacket and white shirt. The shirt collar can be seen clearly(?).

Is he a look out of some sort?

Is the 'lookout''s reflection also seen?

Between the 'policeman' and the 'lookout',

in the background, is standing what I

refer to as 'The Gene Wilder man'.

GWM seems to be standing quite close to the p'man.

As for the 'policeman' -

is that a badge on his left arm area?

Is there a light source (flash?) around the upper right

face area?

Also, is the subject pointing (aiming)

something towards the viewer?

The subject's stance brings to mind the Badgeman.

I used The Gimp 2.2.7, Paint Shop Pro 7 and Photoshop 5

which I recommend to you.

I also used Mediachance Bworks.

You can enlarge the pictures since I also used

Shortcut to Photozoom which allows greater

detail at high magnification.

I have not changed the photo by

adding to it or taking from it

but merely by changing the contrast,

sharpening and experimenting

with the duotones etc., etc.

Lee, can you send me the

unenhanced crop and the scan?

N.B.

My interpretations may be

pure conjecture

and entirely wrong.

EBC

Edited August 5, 2005 by Eugene B. Connolly

[Lee Forman]

Hi Eugene!

I'll send you an email - shoot me one back and I'll send you the files.

Good stuff! It's not easy, but here attached is my view on it. The area in question is the walled walkway - so there would be a wall in front of this individual, and a wall behind him. I took this photo about a month agao, and pasted in the Croft section. The inset at top right is an enlarged and enhanced view, with my notations on it. The walkway begins some ~80 feet from the corner of Elm Street and the Elm Street Extension. It terminates at Shelter #4.

I don't believe that this individual is in the process of firing a shot - he seems to be tracking Kennedy. I still think it's possible that this individual may have fired the throat shot, as well as the occiput, right rear headshot.

I have used a few interpolator programs myself - without having to pay for them - it's interesting to note that you need to start with a very hi res version of the Croft. I having been trying to obtain a UPI version, etc. to do my own scan - so far no luck.

1. I am assuming that the shooter has a camera mounted on his weapon. That's a theory I developed a long time ago, based upon all of the various lenses I had seen, and information concerning individuals having [allegedly] viewed assassination films through crosshairs. Also the Bray document. Just a guess really, but might explain the light area.

2. I am assuming that any shooter would have been teamed with a spotter, whose role was to use some piece of hardware to determine when the shot would best be taken - especially given the spectators. Just another guess, but I see what appears to be a second man, and that man seems to be holding a camera or something with a lens.

3. Someone posted somewhere about a film taken across the street which showed 2 men behind a wall - I don't believe it was this forum. That one of these men was the shooter. I can't help but believe that the film was taken by one of the guys at the North Peristyle, who have been semi-concealed in the z-film. I believe the reference came from a man who was acting as busboy to a high brass meeting of Navy Admirals or something to that effect. After dinner, they watched an assassination film, which was taken from the opposite side of the street [south side of Elm], from Zapruder's position. It was not the Bronson, Nix, Muchmore, etc - because it showed the shooter. If I find the reference I'll post it - unless someone beats me to it .

Bill Newman did not reply to my query concerning the precise location of the 'Pergola Garden' or with his opinion on the enhanced Croft Shooter which I sent to his attention. I am content to stay with this one.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ3.htm

It wasn't until 1984, in the TV production "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald," that Vincent Bugliosi simply asked William Newman to specify the bit about the "garden directly behind me" that was in his affidavit of November 22, 1963. Newman specified the area to the east of the pergola; between the Depository and Newman's position on November 22 is a landscaped walkway.

- lee

[Guest Eugene B. Connolly]

Lee,

Thanks for your e mailed uncut Croft.

I used PhotoZoom and PaintShop Pro 9

to work on this photograph.

I am afraid I have not been able to bring out

much more than I did with my earlier efforts.

As you can see, I have added a few names - pure speculation on

my part but speculation may sometimes

be of limited [if indeed any] value(?).

I have added a picture of David Ferrie for purposes of reflection.

I am of the view that the DPD either wittingly or unwittingly

was, somehow, involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.

The unknown assassin - to my inexpert eye - looks, for all the world, to be a 'policeman'.

A closer study of the Black Dog Man photograph may yield interesting results.

The use of stolen or bogus police uniforms may have played

a part in the death of the President.

What better way for a potential assassin to blend in to the

events of November 22 1963 than to

don a police uniform?

The unknown assassin in the picture, in my view, must have been

captured on film by someone else taking photographs

on that fateful day.

Comparison of photographs of other 'policemen' taken in Dealey Plaza

on 22 Nov 1963

might offer some interesting results.

I have discounted the white area as a gun flash since the people in

the foreground are smiling - unless the people

had not yet heard the sound of the shot which

seems unlikely to a non ballistics expert like me.

EBC

Edited August 17, 2005 by Eugene B. Connolly

[Alan Healy]

Bill Newman did not reply to my query concerning the precise location of the 'Pergola Garden' or with his opinion on the enhanced Croft Shooter which I sent to his attention.  I am content to stay with this one. 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ3.htm

It wasn't until 1984, in the TV production "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald," that Vincent Bugliosi simply asked William Newman to specify the bit about the "garden directly behind me" that was in his affidavit of November 22, 1963. Newman specified the area to the east of the pergola; between the Depository and Newman's position on November 22 is a landscaped walkway.

- lee

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi Lee,

it has always been my impression that Newman was talking about the GK when he referred to the "garden" & I'm pretty sure that in that episode of "TMWKK" he actually turns & points to northen end of the wall nearest the picket fence.

On the afternoon of the 22nd in his TV intervew, Bill says "behind me" & "on the little mound, the top of the hill, the garden".

That description alone rules out the area you are pointing to seen in Croft. There is only one hill with a small garden & that is right behind where the Newmans stood.

Please be careful when dropping names like Bugliosi & Organ to support your theory, they are only interested in shots from Oswald @ the TSBD & I wouldn't be surprised if Vincent had Newman confused in that exchange.

Regards

Alan

[Alan Healy]

Lee,

here are some better grabs from the "POTP" Croft,

Each one varies slightly in quality due to my set up so I've left it to you to decide which is best.

If you want some more examples of the area further east as seen in the last one give us a /nod.

Btw, just in case your wondering, those spectators faces are meant to be blurred since, as it seems, Croft was panning the occupants of the limo when he hit the shutter.

Connallys features are sharp in the full grab &, very interestingly to me, very troubled looking.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5254/sv317cd.png

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/4264/sv6210hx.png

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9417/sv6117pm.png

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3049/sv6315gj.png

Thanks to ImageShack for Free Image Hosting

Alan

[Alan Healy]

PostX2!!! >.<

If the links are slow or show nothing, check back later, seems the server gets busy sometimes.

Edited August 30, 2005 by Alan Healy

[Alan Healy]

Made a new post but it stayed on the Page6!?!

So...

Bump!!!

Also, I'd like to know what Gary Mack can see in the orignal, if he has a copy.

There is obvously some type of vehicle there, looks lke a convertable.