The CIA Did Not Do It!

[Tim Gratz]

Duh. . . Dawn: I answered it in the thread in which you posted it.

[Dawn Meredith]

Duh. . . Dawn: I answered it in the thread in which you posted it.

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Sorrry, no time, going on vacation!!! So missed it.

Will miss the forum.

Dawn

I will have more questions tho:)))))

[Tim Gratz]

Have fun on your vacation! And be sure not to think of me (it'd just spoil your vacation). But have a good time.

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Why are people wasting their time with this...Oh Gawd, now I'm doing it, insideous is'nt it.

Edited July 21, 2005 by Stephen Turner

[Thomas H. Purvis]

OK, Tim...and this little exercise in blowing smoke is meant to distract us from WHAT other event or discussion that's getting into some serious territory right about now?  Your thread is a distraction, a diversion...just wish I knew what you were trying to steer us away from, because that's where we probably SHOULD be looking.

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I expect it is the thread on Young Americans for Freedom. The one where Tim cannot remember the political policies of this YAF.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4437

Concerning my theories on the Mafia and the CIA. Yes, you can apply the same criteria to both organizations. I therefore do not believe that the Mafia or the CIA ordered the assassination of JFK. What I do believe is that some middle-ranking CIA officers (David Morales and Rip Robertson) were involved in the assassination.

I also believe that some, if not all, high-ranking CIA officials were involved in the cover-up. Mainly because they discovered that their own agents and CIA assets were involved in the assassination.

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The indirect actions of Rip Robertson & William Pawley appear to have certain relationships to the assassination. However, there part appears to be indirect.

Just as he did with attempting to divert attention to Castro having some connection with the assassination, LHO also "left his scent/trail" to point at the CIA.

This is a common tactic in making them "run for cover".

Those who have continually questioned the usage of the Carcano rifle should of course be aware of the manufacture of the ammunition by WCC.

What most are unaware of is the fact that Klein's Sporting Goods was in fact owned by the Pepsi Corporation, which has been a CIA "Front" organization for years.

Therefore, LHO ordered a weapon, for which he did not order any ammunition, thereafter to acquire the ammunition made by WCC, which is still highly suspect.

As with most of LHO's background, it is hardly coincidence that he acquired weapons and ammunition which would point directly towards the CIA.

And, someone had to inform him of this as well.

I have little doubt that these actions made a lot of persons "run for cover"!

It is also not likely coincidence that the "Magic Bullet" carries the identification of CE# 399.

All that one has to do is look up "Force 399" to know that the 399 designation is somewhat of a "red flag".

Although there continues to be usage of this "Flag", specific attention should be given to the OSS operations in the Balkans.

Someone with a lot of "Intelligence Knowledge" was feeding information to LHO.

Tom

P.S. William P. Burke

Director of Overt Operations, Central Intelligence Group

New Orleans Attorney

Marine Corps Officer

Association with REX

Association with Boston Club

Confederate Heritage

Forced into retirement in 1962 by JFK

Died: Touro Infirmary Hospital, New Orleans, LA.

Of course, Claire Chennault, a direct link to William Douglas Pawley, also died at Touro Infirmary Hospital as well.

Not to mention Pawley's other links to New Orleans, such as:

1. A wife who graduated from Newcomb College (Tulane)

2. Ambassador to Peru-------See Cunningham Award

3. Bay of Pigs release/Dr. Milton Eisenhower/---See Cunningham Award

4. The Cuban Airline of William D. Pawley. (which Castro took)

(To be continued:)

Tom

[Mark Knight]

Tim, my comments about your mental state were meant as a joke...but also as an illustration that what one person sees as a joke, someone else may not. This is a point you apparently missed when YOU were the one making jokes that not everyone got; but perhaps you now understand a bit better, since it was YOU who couldn't see that I was attempting to make some humor at your expense [good-naturedly, of course]. It was when you started coming unglued about it that I just couldn't stop myself...and that IS my fault.

And Tim, you need to understand that there are varying degrees of mental illness that do NOT render a person "insane." A person may be mildly schizophrenic, or mildly depressed, or mildly paranoid, for example, and their illness can be controlled by medication, allowing them to be a functioning member of society. Your characterization of mental illness as "insanity" merely shows your prejudice [preconceived notions] toward the subject, rather than any insight or understanding. While I don't have personal experience, I have had a close family member who had been treated for depression and other mental conditions, and I have been educated about the use of the word "insanity" under these circumstances by some highly qualified experts in the field. [Coincidentally, this same family member was treated for heart problems by world-famous heart transplant specialist Dr. William DeVries...just an aside, but he's another expert with whom I've discussed this person's medical conditions.]

Getting back to the subject at hand, I believe that Tom is headed in the right direction. The Carcano, the lack of any records that Oswald ever purchased any ammo, and indeed Klein Sporting Goods itself are all indications that whatever transpired in Oswald's case, the groundwork was laid to point the finger of suspicion at the CIA long before the assassination itself occurred [e.g., gun ordered from Klein's in March/April (I forgot which), yet exact motorcade route was months away...as was Oswald's employment by TSBD]. Obviously, Oswald was being set up for something long before the specific 11/22/1963 assassination plot ...

Edited July 22, 2005 by Mark Knight

[Nic Martin]

For love of all things positive, can everyone just grow up already? I'm one of the youngest, if not THE youngest by now, person on this board and sometimes I feel like the teacher in a second grade classroom. Now all of you, go to seperate corners and THINK about what you've done..

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Tim, my comments about your mental state were meant as a joke...but also as an illustration that what one person sees as a joke, someone else may not.  This is a point you apparently missed when YOU were the one making jokes that not everyone got; but perhaps you now understand a bit better, since it was YOU who couldn't see that I was attempting to make some humor at your expense [good-naturedly, of course].  It was when you started coming unglued about it that I just couldn't stop myself...and that IS my fault.

And Tim, you need to understand that there are varying degrees of mental illness that do NOT render a person "insane."  A person may be mildly schizophrenic, or mildly depressed, or mildly paranoid, for example, and their illness can be controlled by medication, allowing them to be a functioning member of society.  Your characterization of mental illness as "insanity" merely shows your prejudice [preconceived notions] toward the subject, rather than any insight or understanding.  While I don't have personal experience, I have had a close family member who had been treated for depression and other mental conditions, and I have been educated about the use of the word "insanity" under these circumstances by some highly qualified experts in the field. [Coincidentally, this same family member was treated for heart problems by world-famous heart transplant specialist Dr. William DeVries...just an aside, but he's another expert with whom I've discussed this person's medical conditions.]

Getting back to the subject at hand, I believe that Tom is headed in the right direction.  The Carcano, the lack of any records that Oswald ever purchased any ammo, and indeed Klein Sporting Goods itself are all indications that whatever transpired in Oswald's case, the groundwork was laid to point the finger of suspicion at the CIA long before the assassination itself occurred [e.g., gun ordered from Klein's in March/April (I forgot which), yet exact motorcade route was months away...as was Oswald's employment by TSBD].  Obviously, Oswald was being set up for something long before the specific 11/22/1963 assassination plot ...

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It is hoped that all have taken the time to review and understand the "Squirrel Concept" in which the squirrel jumps up onto, and then off many trees in the forest before he finally climbs one.

Only the best and most experienced squirrel dog can determine which trees were "false trails" and which the squirrel really climbed.

However, LHO was most certainly not "set up".

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Tim, my comments about your mental state were meant as a joke...but also as an illustration that what one person sees as a joke, someone else may not.  This is a point you apparently missed when YOU were the one making jokes that not everyone got; but perhaps you now understand a bit better, since it was YOU who couldn't see that I was attempting to make some humor at your expense [good-naturedly, of course].  It was when you started coming unglued about it that I just couldn't stop myself...and that IS my fault.

And Tim, you need to understand that there are varying degrees of mental illness that do NOT render a person "insane."  A person may be mildly schizophrenic, or mildly depressed, or mildly paranoid, for example, and their illness can be controlled by medication, allowing them to be a functioning member of society.  Your characterization of mental illness as "insanity" merely shows your prejudice [preconceived notions] toward the subject, rather than any insight or understanding.  While I don't have personal experience, I have had a close family member who had been treated for depression and other mental conditions, and I have been educated about the use of the word "insanity" under these circumstances by some highly qualified experts in the field. [Coincidentally, this same family member was treated for heart problems by world-famous heart transplant specialist Dr. William DeVries...just an aside, but he's another expert with whom I've discussed this person's medical conditions.]

Getting back to the subject at hand, I believe that Tom is headed in the right direction.  The Carcano, the lack of any records that Oswald ever purchased any ammo, and indeed Klein Sporting Goods itself are all indications that whatever transpired in Oswald's case, the groundwork was laid to point the finger of suspicion at the CIA long before the assassination itself occurred [e.g., gun ordered from Klein's in March/April (I forgot which), yet exact motorcade route was months away...as was Oswald's employment by TSBD].  Obviously, Oswald was being set up for something long before the specific 11/22/1963 assassination plot ...

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It is hoped that all have taken the time to review and understand the "Squirrel Concept" in which the squirrel jumps up onto, and then off many trees in the forest before he finally climbs one.

Only the best and most experienced squirrel dog can determine which trees were "false trails" and which the squirrel really climbed.

However, LHO was most certainly not "set up".

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Tom, with all due respect,unless you have unimpeachable evidence of this fact, the above would be better phrased "IMO, LHO was not set up." Steve.

[Mark Knight]

Actually, I believe that the most honest statement would be that Oswald WAS set up, but that he may have been a knowing and willing participant in setting himself up. There was a lot of activity involved in creating his "legend," and he was a willing participitant in most of it. I suppose the correct QUESTION would be, did he have foreknowledge of the assassination, or was THAT part a surprise to him?

When we can answer THAT question, we will be well on our way to discovering the truth.

There is no doubt that the "squirrel concept" was used; the difficult part is determining which trails were false ones, and EXACTLY why that is so.

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Actually, I believe that the most honest statement would be that Oswald WAS set up, but that he may have been a knowing and willing participant in setting himself up.  There was a lot of activity involved in creating his "legend," and he was a willing participitant in most of it.  I suppose the correct QUESTION would be, did he have foreknowledge of the assassination, or was THAT part a surprise to him?

When we can answer THAT question, we will be well on our way to discovering the truth.

There is no doubt that the "squirrel concept" was used; the difficult part is determining which trails were false ones, and EXACTLY why that is so.

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90% probibility LHO was the single & only person involved in the shooting.

10% possibility that LHO was a co-conspirator and the "rabbit" who was supposed to be chased.

Either way, in it up to his A**.

All indications of his actions are that he/LHO fired the shots.

[Jack White]

Mr. Purvis...you are extremely ill-informed on Oswald.

Jack White

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Mr. Purvis...you are extremely ill-informed on Oswald.

Jack White

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It would appear that I just may be considerably more informed than those who expouse the "Giant Conspiracy" by the US Government/Secret Service/CIA/FBI/etc; etc; etc.

To include "forged" autopsy photographs and X-rays!

Perhaps a comparison of our background and training in covert operations may provide some scale by which readers could judge.

I'll discuss my CIA/SS/& FBI training after you have posted yours.

Tom

[Justin Martell]

Mr. Purvis...you are extremely ill-informed on Oswald.

Jack White

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It would appear that I just may be considerably more informed than those who expouse the "Giant Conspiracy" by the US Government/Secret Service/CIA/FBI/etc; etc; etc.

To include "forged" autopsy photographs and X-rays!

Perhaps a comparison of our background and training in covert operations may provide some scale by which readers could judge.

I'll discuss my CIA/SS/& FBI training after you have posted yours.

Tom

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Hello Tom I was wondering if you could use your military experience to explain how Oswald with the poor shooting scores he recieved in the Marines achieve the feat he did in Dallas without another shooter. I am also curious about your thoughts on the HSCA acoustical tests that proved a shot was fired from the grassy knoll area while LHO was supposedly firing from the TSBD. I was also wondering if you have ever witnessed a bullet pass through two people causing 8 wounds total, yet when it is "retrieved" it appears as if it hit nothing, like it was fired into cotton or water. I think that these are some tough obstacles to climb for people who believe that LHO acted all by himself. I think that it is a possibilty that LHO was a willing conspirator and not a completely innocent person. On the other hand you have a long way to go before you convince me or most other people here that he acted entirely alone.

[Jack White]

Mr. Purvis...you are extremely ill-informed on Oswald.

Jack White

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It would appear that I just may be considerably more informed than those who expouse the "Giant Conspiracy" by the US Government/Secret Service/CIA/FBI/etc; etc; etc.

To include "forged" autopsy photographs and X-rays!

Perhaps a comparison of our background and training in covert operations may provide some scale by which readers could judge.

I'll discuss my CIA/SS/& FBI training after you have posted yours.

Tom

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Mr. Purvis...if your "security clearance" permits, please share with

us your "classified information" on Oswald.

You present many intriguing "tidbits" on LHO to prop up your

bonafides. In my 40+ years of researching, I have encountered

many "ex-CIA" disinformation agents and provocateurs, beginning

back in the '60s. Your modus operandi parallels theirs.

1. Gain credibility by DANGLING bits of information which may or

may not be true.

2. Claim their inside information gave them access to "facts about LHO".

3. Claim they NO LONGER ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE AGENCY.

4. After establishing their "bonafides" (an agency term), they then

present a "red herring scenario" created by Langley.

Come on, Mr. Purvis...do something original. Your modus operandi

has been used by several dozen before you.

If you have some "real" information, please share it with us.

But do not try to "posner" us by claiming LHO acted alone. Case Closed.

Jack

(experienced with dealing with

"former CIA" people who claim to

be researchers)

Edited July 23, 2005 by Jack White