Guest Duncan MacRae Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 It has long been known that a bottle of Coka Cola was sitting on the corner of the retaining wall immediately after the assassination.This can be verified by looking at the Bond photograph. Many,including Dale Myers have claimed that Badgeman is nothing but this same Coka Cola bottle sitting on the wall in the Moorman photograph.I believe my enhancement shows a person drinking from a Coka Cola bottle in the Moorman photograph,and i have indicated the bottle in the enhancement.Badgeman and Coka Cola Man are in different locations.I can see the man and the bottle very clearly.I wonder how many others can,and will perhaps try to outline him and post what they see. Duncan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 Thanks for the pix Dunc, I can see the guy drinking the coke. I wonder if they paid for the ensorsement? But you can't prove Dale wrong, he's so far off base, I'm beginning to doubt the Rosetta Stone is accurate. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stapleton Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 I've been trying for five minutes but I can't make out a Coke bottle--or any bottle. My eyes aren't as sharp as they used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 I've been trying for five minutes but I can't make out a Coke bottle--or any bottle. My eyes aren't as sharp as they used to be. I don't see anything either. Like so much of the JFK photographic evidence it's like a '"Rorschach test " and people see in it what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 Thanks Bill,He sticks out like a sore thumb to me too.I've made up this gif animation which makes him blatantly clearer for those like Len who doubt and who can't see him.I hope this helps. Duncan That does make it clearer but to me it looks like he is holding a camera probably a metallic (or other light color) 35mm rangefinder. What ever it is it appers (to me atleast) to be wider than it's tall, rectangular, and light colored and thus NOT a bottle of Coke. What does everyone esle see? Len Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed O'Hagan Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 Good work, Duncan, but I do not see what you describe. I have attached what I see as being a policeman aiming a large camera (35mm ?) . I have indicated the position of his hands . The camera appears to have a large zoom -type lever- controlled lens. If that 's what it was, it in all probability was also tripod -mounted. Could you mark the location of the bottle, so that it stands out. Second thoughts are not out of the question, but right now this is what I see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Richards Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 Is this the same soda bottle being referred to here? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Wilkinson Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Thanks Bill,He sticks out like a sore thumb to me too.I've made up this gif animation which makes him blatantly clearer for those like Len who doubt and who can't see him.I hope this helps. Duncan That does make it clearer but to me it looks like he is holding a camera probably a metallic (or other light color) 35mm rangefinder. What ever it is it appers (to me atleast) to be wider than it's tall, rectangular, and light colored and thus NOT a bottle of Coke. What does everyone esle see? Len With the help of the animation, I can see what MAY or MAY NOT be a coke bottle. To me it also appears that it could be a camera or possibly binoculars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 It has long been known that a bottle of Coka Cola was sitting on the corner of the retaining wall immediately after the assassination.This can be verified by looking at the Bond photograph. Many,including Dale Myers have claimed that Badgeman is nothing but this same Coka Cola bottle sitting on the wall in the Moorman photograph.I believe my enhancement shows a person drinking from a Coka Cola bottle in the Moorman photograph,and i have indicated the bottle in the enhancement.Badgeman and Coka Cola Man are in different locations.I can see the man and the bottle very clearly.I wonder how many others can,and will perhaps try to outline him and post what they see. Duncan ___________________________________________ Looks like a Pepsi bottle to me. Just Kidding. ___________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 (edited) It has long been known that a bottle of Coka Cola was sitting on the corner of the retaining wall immediately after the assassination.This can be verified by looking at the Bond photograph. Many,including Dale Myers have claimed that Badgeman is nothing but this same Coka Cola bottle sitting on the wall in the Moorman photograph.I believe my enhancement shows a person drinking from a Coka Cola bottle in the Moorman photograph,and i have indicated the bottle in the enhancement.Badgeman and Coka Cola Man are in different locations.I can see the man and the bottle very clearly.I wonder how many others can,and will perhaps try to outline him and post what they see. Duncan ___________________________________________ Looks like a Pepsi bottle to me. Just Kidding. ___________________________________________ It seems to me that once it's pointed out and outlined and coloured then one could choose to see as you say. I don't see why you would outline so exactly though I can't see any reasons except interpolation of data that doesn't exist. Let's assume there is something there as suggested. One would have to consider the means used to magnify the pixels that interpolated the pixel smears as done. compare unenhanced (except for pixel outlines for illustration) One would have to consider perspective and dimension, see the moorman position and the size of the 'figure' compared to the persons on the stairs. One would have to consider shadow locations, consider the shadows on the known figure. Edited February 9, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 As long as crap is being thrown at the wall without sensibly investigating the other assassination images ... how about it being a bottle of "IDIOT JUICE" and Duncan has drank the whole thing! Jack White had the best Moorman print when he and Gary Mack worked on the Badge Man images - why not ask him what his print shows instead of playing games with inferior images such as the one posted here? Also, how many men with pop bottles can be seen in the Willis and Betzner photos? Bill Miller JFK assassination researcher/investigator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Infrequently do I agree with Mr. Graves but I do find myself in agreement with his assessment that it looks more like a bottle of Pepsi than a bottle of Coke. Now you all know I think it is nonsense to suggest that Richard Nixon had anything to do with the assassination. But it is well known that Pepsi-Cola and its president Donald Kendall were staunch Nixon supporters. And Nixon had attended the Pepsi Cola Bottlers Convention in Dallas. So although I agree with Thomas that it looks more like a Pepsi than a Coke, nevertheless I suspect Thomas' post was motivated by an insiduous desire to link Nixon to the assassination. That the theory linking Pepsi-loving Nixon to the assassination is nonsense is conclusively demonstrated by the fact that when LHO was confronted in the TSBD he had in his hand a can of Coke, not a Pepsi! Kidding aside, I got a hearty laugh from his post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 As long as crap is being thrown at the wall without sensibly investigating the other assassination images ... how about it being a bottle of "IDIOT JUICE" and Duncan has drank the whole thing!Jack White had the best Moorman print when he and Gary Mack worked on the Badge Man images - why not ask him what his print shows instead of playing games with inferior images such as the one posted here? Also, how many men with pop bottles can be seen in the Willis and Betzner photos? Bill Miller JFK assassination researcher/investigator _______________________________ drink, drank, drunk _______________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Duncan wrote: Thanks for your opinion John as usual.All points you mentioned were considered.Your example looks like a simple blow up causing extreme pixelation in a low quality starting image.My enhancement was completed by using a top quality high resolution digitised scan which was sent to me by a fellow researcher. Duncan Jack writes: Josiah Thompson circulated what he called a top quality high resolution digitised DRUM scan, but it was not high quality at all. See comparison between my scan of a good print and the so-called DRUM scan. Inferior original = inferior enhancement. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 As long as crap is being thrown at the wall without sensibly investigating the other assassination images ... how about it being a bottle of "IDIOT JUICE" and Duncan has drank the whole thing! Jack White had the best Moorman print when he and Gary Mack worked on the Badge Man images - why not ask him what his print shows instead of playing games with inferior images such as the one posted here? Also, how many men with pop bottles can be seen in the Willis and Betzner photos? Bill Miller JFK assassination researcher/investigator I was wondering when you would appear from your darkened cave. Once more you are spewing out unprovoked insults and ignorant crappy assertions based on your "Miller knows it all" theory which is as accurate as Oswalds Carcano. You obviously do not keep up to date with Jack's beliefs on the Moorman polaroid.Let me get you up to date.He thinks it has been altered in some areas.If you want to know his full opinion,ask him yourself,i'm not your babysitter. You ask how many pop bottles can be seen in Willis and Betzner...What a STUPID question.I'm not even going to bother answering that as it is completely irrelevant,it's like asking how may Badgemen are seen in Willis and Betzner...geeeeeez. It appears to me from this thread that the majority in general are in favour of the Coke Bottle man although some say it appears he may be holding a camera or binoculars......live with it and go have a Coke to let that overactive hot wind blowing mouth of yours cool down.....unless you're still on the Jack Daniels of course.....hic Duncan.....Bills hero and photograhic interpretation advisor Duncan...you are correct that I no longer believe the Moorman polaroid is entirely genuine. For years for various reasons I believed it escaped the govt dragnet. I now believe, for various reasons, that the Moorman is altered in the extreme right edge to make changes in the persons on the pedestal. Be wary in dealing with "Bill Miller/Larry Peters"; he is not necessarily all that he seems. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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