Guest Eugene B. Connolly Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 (edited) Robin, Having enlarged and colourised (False colours) your original Altgens6 sharp image which you posted at the beginning of this thread I have come to the conclusion that the area you highlighted contains only one person. The area you believe to be another person is - IMO - a coat,a shawl or a cardigan. The woman has draped a coat/shawl/cardigan over her right shoulder. The coat/shawl/cardigan looks like another person but,IMO,is not. The dark area which has been mistaken for hair is again - IMO - the shadow of the coat/shawl/cardigan on the woman's arm. Bernice posted an image of the same woman(?) seconds after the Altgens6 picture was taken and a woman, IMO, can be seen in that image with the same coat/shawl/cardigan over her upper right arm.Is this the same woman as the one in Altgens6? Bernice's image tends to make me think that it is. However, in the Altgens6 image I originally thought the person in question was wearing a belt and wearing trousers! In the area of her left shoulder is a man's face visible? The woman in Bernice's image seems to have a wide sleeve dress on. Would her sleeves have fallen automatically when she raised her arms? Thanks to Bernice for her post. This is all conjecture on my part. I may be totally wrong. In conclusion it may be a man or it may be a woman. IF (Big if) the woman in Bernice's image and the person in Robin's Altgens6 are the same person then obviously it follows that the person in Robin's Altgens6 is a woman. However, I am - FWIW - pretty sure that there is just one person. EBC Edited March 13, 2007 by Eugene B. Connolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 (edited) Hi Eugene: These photos are seconds between...Wiegman says, he started running, as the second shot sounded, this is from the beginning of his films sequence... Scroll down to the Wiegman film... http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/photos.html Thanks....B.. Edited March 12, 2007 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 (edited) No Problem Eugene. We all see things in different ways, i also agree that the figure could be either man or woman. This is Allan Eaglesham's notation on wiegman & Altgen 6 You may find one of my previous post of interest. http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.p...mp;topic_page=5 Edited March 12, 2007 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eugene B. Connolly Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Robin, My interpretation may be totally wrong. You make an interesting point on why this particular area of the photo seems to be blemished. Has someone attempted to draw a veil over that area? EBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 Robin,My interpretation may be totally wrong. You make an interesting point on why this particular area of the photo seems to be blemished. Has someone attempted to draw a veil over that area? EBC That post was made sometime ago, i have had a re-think on the green "blemished area" and i no longer agree with the comment i made regarding it. If you look at the corrolation between the two annotated photo's above it puts the person with two hands raised way over in the top right hand corner of the wiegman frame, and the one you colorised right down the bottom in the middle, even lower than the Dark complected man in the left hand corner. I think it is very important to look at both photo's together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I've comandeered the term "cognitive dissonance" to describe the phenomenon consciously generated by manipulators/forgers of evidence in this case. The Z-film, for example, may have been altered as much to be discovered as a "fake" -- and thus promote rancor and confusion among investigators and otherwise dilute our energies and mire us in secondary mysteries -- as to obliterate proof of conspiracy. And so the figure in the doorway with the distinctive over/under shirts and the oh-so-tantalyzing facial features drives us to distraction. Oswald? Lovelady? Yes. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I've comandeered the term "cognitive dissonance" to describe the phenomenon consciously generated by manipulators/forgers of evidence in this case. The Z-film, for example, may have been altered as much to be discovered as a "fake" -- and thus promote rancor and confusion among investigators and otherwise dilute our energies and mire us in secondary mysteries -- as to obliterate proof of conspiracy.And so the figure in the doorway with the distinctive over/under shirts and the oh-so-tantalyzing facial features drives us to distraction. Oswald? Lovelady? Yes. Charles ************** Yes: And so much more...documents, statements within the WC, and on...... Results, being to keep the researchers from their further and perhaps new investigative studies.. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Robin,My interpretation may be totally wrong. You make an interesting point on why this particular area of the photo seems to be blemished. Has someone attempted to draw a veil over that area? EBC That post was made sometime ago, i have had a re-think on the green "blemished area" and i no longer agree with the comment i made regarding it. If you look at the corrolation between the two annotated photo's above it puts the person with two hands raised way over in the top right hand corner of the wiegman frame, and the one you colorised right down the bottom in the middle, even lower than the Dark complected man in the left hand corner. I think it is very important to look at both photo's together. A and E would appear to be O.K. B might be a problem. B body fits E head in Altgen's Inset shows B body below E head in Wiegman. Validated Time Sync Needed. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 (edited) This is all I have Chris, re the timing......of the David Wiegman film.... the wee bit on the Sprague-Mack study, included, was found on the web....and the article is not available. Though if anyone does have this copy of "Coverups" 9/82.. the information would be appreciated, when I contacted Gary a few years ago he had them packed away and they were not accessible. David Wiegman: "We were in that straight-a-way heading down to what I now know as the Book Depository, and I heard the first report and I thought like every body that it was a good size firecracker---a cherry bomb .Then when I heard the second one, the adrenaline really started pumping because there was a reaction in the motorcade, I was sitting on the edge of the (car door) frame,which I sometimes did. I keenly remember right after the incident that my feet were on the ground during one of the reports. I don't think I was fast enough to react to the second, but I think on the third one I was running. The car had slowed down enough for me to jump out. I swung my leg over and jumped while the car was still moving, but it was very slow. I jumped and I remember running and I remember the third shot. When I got out I knew I better get around the corner. The car was stopping. I'd better run around there and see what was happening. I knew the reaction was to run forward. I'd done this before in other motorcades because a lot of times the President will stop and do something. He might just shake a hand. He might look at a sign. So your doing no good sitting in your car, and you can always retrieve your car as it goes by....It was a technique I've used and I've gotten some good pictures that way. That may have been built in to get out and run and get up there and see what the heck's happening . The motorcade has stopped, plus you heard a report I don't think I thought on the first or second ( shot ), but when the third one went off, I really thought I felt the compression on my face. ----I really thought I felt it. The I thought "Somebody is shooting". The idea of turning on the camera, I don't know where that came from. I’ve turned in some real sloppy work over the years that went into editing because I believed that sometimes your not photographing what's happening as much as the moment. It's a slice of time. And something told me, "hey look, what have I got to lose. I've got a full spring and just turn it on." I can't stop and plant my feet, so I put it against my chest because you can't run with a Filmo up to your eyes. So I just slid it down under my chin and looked forward and ran as fast as I could and took in everything I could." Telephone interview Wiegman, 3/11/89..P.O.T.P...Trask.. pages 371-372. .......................... He was in the Press car 1."the reel car" the first with photographers aboard..A yellow 1964 Chev.Impala convertible. The President's Lincoln..The Queen Mary.SS...L.B.Js ... SS..The Bell Telephone press pool car ..then the Press #1 Car.. (Wiegman's). Along with Atkins,Craven,John Hoefen,( Wiegman's sound man..Front seat driving a Texas Ranger..then Cleve Ryan then Wiegman on the passenger seat in the sixth car behind the President.. He was carrying a Filmo movie camera,used no handle, shot with left eye finders on left side of camera.Wide angle lens, He thought he used a 10mm.that day.. Worked for NBC..TV cameraman..White House attachment every day for 8 years..37 years old.. ......................... "It would appear through careful analysis of this film, and aided in research done by Richard Sprague and Gary Mack ,on the timing of the sequence, that Wiegman began filming A LITTLE OVER THREE SECONDS:.... prior to the President BEING HIT IN THE HEAD". Gary Mack 's,"Coverups!"..9/1982..p.2-5...9/1985, p.1-2.. Letter Richard Sprague to Robert Cuttler, 10/31/1982. .......................... "Wiegman probably first pressed his camera trigger just after the second shot."..clip.."begins as Wiegman's car is approaching the TSDB, while the telephone car infront begins making the left hand turn.".." shows various spectators on the steps of the Book Depository as well as others on the sidewalk..Many are looking forwards towards the presidential vehicle while some are gazing back at the vehincles coming in their direction." .Trask..p373 ....... In the film we see, the film begins with a panning of the front entrance of the TSBD,swings to the left, then back to the right, he then was on his way to the knoll,and behind the fence...see. the film at below...click, Wiegman, then when page loads, click top right hand corner button....ta da.. http://www.jfk-online.com/films.html ................................. We have Wiegman capturing the TSBD entrance approximately "A little over three seconds" prior to the President being hit in head."..see above..Sprague..Mack.. ...................... He continued filming as he ran his film shakes and jumps as he spans the grassy knoll area, the Limo travelling to the underpass, and what appears to be smoke coming from under the trees in the area of the fence ,then the pergola area again, and some of the witnesses laying on the ground,finally he proceeded to the parking lot behind the fence area.. Wiegman ********************************* Altgens From what I have been able to find out, the Altgens 1st..then..approximately in the area of 30 to 45 seconds later the Wiegman was taken.. The Altgens as the first shot rang out, the Wiegman as he heard the final two shots as he was jumping from the press car running and filming . B...... Edited March 13, 2007 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 My interpretation of the Wiegman frame: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eugene B. Connolly Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Here is a full length view of the Shawl Woman. There is a person holding a briefcase to her left. Sandwiched between the Briefcase person and her can be seen Lovelady's clothing. Is Briefcase Holder resting his case on woman's head??!! I have redone the image showing woman with two hands in air. Is there a man wearing a hat behind her? Also was this woman acting as some sort of diversion? Or was she signalling to the shooter(s) that JFK had been hit? Or is she a totally innocent bystander? EBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eugene B. Connolly Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 And so the figure in the doorway with the distinctive over/under shirts and the oh-so-tantalyzing facial features drives us to distraction. Oswald? Lovelady? Yes. Charles Charles, I am toying with the idea that Oswald is the man standing beside the animated woman with two hands in the air and that the man behind her is Jack Ruby. Am I going too far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 And so the figure in the doorway with the distinctive over/under shirts and the oh-so-tantalyzing facial features drives us to distraction. Oswald? Lovelady?Yes. Charles Charles, I am toying with the idea that Oswald is the man standing beside the animated woman with two hands in the air and that the man behind her is Jack Ruby. Am I going too far? Eugene, Who am I to say? My studies of the JFK assassination and related phenomena throughout history have focused on, for lack of a more appropriate term, more arcane aspects. As a point of general reference, I direct you to the recent work of author Peter Levenda. The recurrences of doubles -- doppelgangers, agents, etc. -- within the relatively narrow confines of this site's main area of interest intrigue on any number of levels. I write "doubles," but of course, in the case of LHO manifestations, we can count to ... what ? ... a half-dozen or more. In an earlier post I asked, not rhetorically, if the Oswald/Lovelady figure in the doorway was a construct designed to create what I've defined as cognitive dissonance in the minds of investigators. I'd expand upon the question by noting that iron-clad evidence for the impossibility of forgery of the photos in question would hardly moot my point. I'm lacing up my skates and heading for thin ice now, but what I'm referencing is the singularity most commonly personified and referred to as The Trickster. We needn't go skipping off into the realms of Bruno, Eliade, and Culianu to reach an understanding of this strangeness. We need not look beyond the works of contemporary masters of manipulation of human perceptions and behavior -- Gottlieb, Cameron, Delgado, and the rest of the BLUEBIRD and MK/ULTRA boys who in another age might have been labeled magicians -- to gain a workable sense of how and why JFK evidence has been altered. The Oswald/Lovelady conundrum stops us dead in our tracks. The under/overshirts configuration stands out like a frigate bird's crimson puffery. Was this fashion statement rendered by others while LHO was in custody -- specifically to resemble the figure in the doorway? Am I going too far? Another example: Was the "terrible sound," as George Michael Evica has described what earwitnesses characterized as everything from a firecracker to a railroad torpedo, designed to trump the instincts and blur the long-term perceptions of protective agents and witnesses? This in addition to creating a tangible threat in the front of the motorcade that would prompt the drivers to halt their progress -- if only for a moment -- toward the sound? There are studies focusing on the expansion of sensory input during trauma which leads to time dilation. Surely we can expand the definition of "trauma" to include the psychological as well as the physical. And the former surely was experienced by the innocent in Dealey Plaza that day. Do I "believe" that the figure in the doorway -- at least in Altgens -- is a combination of LHO's body and Lovelady's head, or is the photo unaltered? Yes. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Add to the mix that the figure in the doorway was first brought to the attention of everyone by none other than MARGUERITE OSWALD. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Do I "believe" that the figure in the doorway -- at least in Altgens -- is a combination of LHO's body and Lovelady's head, or is the photo unaltered?Yes. Charles If it is Lee Oswald's body, then they dressed him in Lovelady's red plaid shirt. Oswald's arrest photos show Lee wearing a brown grainy shirt. Groden's book "TKOAP" shows Lovelady wearing his red plaid shirt. The Hughes film shows it to be a read shirt. Altgens photo #6 shows the plaid design. Lovelady's head - Lovelady's clothes. Bill Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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