Mike Rago Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) Given the facts as Lyndon Johnson supposedly knew them about Oswald, how was he so sure that it was not the Soviet Union behind the assassination of John Kennedy? How could he be so sure? Did he issue an alert of any kind to the military? Was that his first act as president? What was his first act as president. I know he demanded that someone be beside Oswald as he lay dying so his last words could be recorded. But that can be looked at two ways. Johnson expressed a strong interest in knowing what Oswald would say. Lyndon could have been worried about what Oswald was going to say. Edited September 11, 2012 by Mike Rago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Given the facts as Lyndon Johnson supposedly knew them about Oswald, how was he so sure that it was not the Soviet Union behind the assassination of John Kennedy? How could he be so sure? Did he issue an alert of any kind to the military? Was that his first act as president? What was his first act as president. I know he demanded that someone be beside Oswald as he lay dying so his last words could be recorded. But that can be looked at two ways. Johnson expressed a strong interest in knowing what Oswald would say. Lyndon could have been worried about what Oswald was going to say. The US government and LBJ could be sure that the Soviets and Cubans were not behind the assassination because of NSA intercepts of their reactions and conversations - surprise, shock and in the case of their leaders - dismay. As for Castro's reaction, we also have Jean Daniel, the French journalist who was with Castro when he was given the news from Dallas, and his report published in The New Republic. If LBJ interacted with his military commanders, other than his military aides aboard AF1, those conversations are not on the existing, edited AF1 radio tapes. When he arrived back in DC LBJ made a number of important phone calls from his VP office in the EOB, and then went home to the Elms, where Gus Russo says he received the CIA director for a briefing, but there is no other record of that. LBJ's first decision as president was to leave Parkland hospital for AF1, which he commandeered rather than the plane he flew in on because it had better communication equipment. His first phone call as president, apparently went to his personal tax attorney concerning his Haliburton stock. For more details see: JFKcountercoup: The Tipping Point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robert Morrow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) Lyndon Johnson told a Dallas police officer there was a conspiracy. Then he told Malcolm Kilduff, the acting press secretary for JFK because Pierre Salinger did not make the trip, that there might be an international conspiracy, then LBJ was so hysterical (play acting) that Gen. Godfrey McHugh had to slap him to regain his composure. LBJ was saying "Conspiracy, conspiracy, they are going to kill us all" or some other horse rubbish. Then Lyndon Johnson calls his tax attorney Wally Bullion to sell his "goddamned Halliburton stock." Is that the behavior of an innocent man within hours of the murder of the US president? The reason LBJ was so convinced that the Soviets were not involved was because Lyndon Johnson and US military intelligence murdererd JFK. When one is an inner circle plotter who was within one week of being politically executed by the Kennedys, one knows it is not an "international conspiracy," although he was telling plenty of people it was as a diversionary tactic. How hard is this to figure out in the year 2012 with all that has come out over fifty years? Isn't it kind of obvious? LBJ then goes back to Wash DC and he is suddenly not concerned about international war YET the threat of international war and nuclear holocaust is the whip he uses to get everyone to go along with the lone nutter theory. I think one can safely *assume* that LBJ used the threat of nuclear war on far more people than just Earl Warren (to get him on the President's Commission on the JFK assassination. LBJ spent a lot of time watching TV on Friday night to see how the JFK assassination was playing out in the media - no doubt to see if things were going to take a turn against him. Lyndon Johnson calling his tax lawyer to sell his Halliburton stock on the day of JFK’s assassination LBJ makes call from Parkland Hospital; JFK’s corpse was still warm at this point [From Family of Secrets by Russ Baker, p. 132] “Pat Holloway, former attorney to both Poppy Bush and Jack Crichton, recounted to me an incident involving LBJ that had greatly disturbed him. This was around 1PM on November 22, 1963, just as Kennedy was being pronounced dead. Holloway was heading home from the office and was passing through the reception area. The switchboard operator excitedly noted that she was patching the vice president through from Parkland Hospital to Holloway’s boss, firm senior partner Waddy Bullion, who was LBJ’s personal tax lawyer. The operator invited Holloway to listen in. LBJ was talking “not about a conspiracy or a tragedy,” Holloway recalled. “I heard him say: ‘Oh I gotta get rid of my goddamn Halliburton stock.’ Lyndon Johnson was talking about the consequences of his political problems with his Halliburton stock at a time when the president had been officially declared dead. And that pissed me off… It really made me furious.” There are many other examples of LBJ’s apparent unconcern after the assassination, though none so immediate. For instance, on the evening of November 25, LBJ and Martin Luther King talked, and LBJ said, “It’s just an impossible period – we’ve got a budget coming up.” That morning he told Joseph Alsop that “the President must not inject himself into, uh, local killings,” to which Alsop immediately replied, “I agree with that, but in this case it does happen to be the killing of the President.” Also, on the same day LBJ told Hoover, “We can’t be checking up on every shooting scrape in the country.” Edited September 12, 2012 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman T. Field Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Perhaps because the plot had been penetrated by Soviet and Cuban intelligence who let their US counterparts know what would occur if they used the assassination as a pretext to invade Cuba? You might want to read "The man who knew too much". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 If LBJ knew ahead of time what was planned in Dallas, he would have known not to fear USSR involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 If LBJ knew ahead of time what was planned in Dallas, he would have known not to fear USSR involvement. He also would have known to sell his Halliburton stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 LBJ foreshadows the movements and reaction of Dub'ya after learning of the 2nd crash... At least the SS agents in Dallas did their job with LBJ... in the 2001 version, they literally allow the POTUS to remain a target, in a well publicized location, 10 miles from an airport... No rushing the man to safety... no worry or precautions... just let the man read and hear about the goats.... no worries if this appears like a coordinated attack on US soil... WE are in the know WE will be just fine... "the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 LBJ foreshadows the movements and reaction of Dub'ya after learning of the 2nd crash... At least the SS agents in Dallas did their job with LBJ... in the 2001 version, they literally allow the POTUS to remain a target, in a well publicized location, 10 miles from an airport... No rushing the man to safety... no worry or precautions... just let the man read and hear about the goats.... no worries if this appears like a coordinated attack on US soil... WE are in the know WE will be just fine... Good point though veering off topic. No one questions the odd behavior of Bush and the Secret Service in the schoolhouse (or any other of the many odds things on 9/11) except those dirty low-down truthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 LBJ foreshadows the movements and reaction of Dub'ya after learning of the 2nd crash... At least the SS agents in Dallas did their job with LBJ... in the 2001 version, they literally allow the POTUS to remain a target, in a well publicized location, 10 miles from an airport... No rushing the man to safety... no worry or precautions... just let the man read and hear about the goats.... no worries if this appears like a coordinated attack on US soil... WE are in the know WE will be just fine... Good point though veering off topic. No one questions the odd behavior of Bush and the Secret Service in the schoolhouse (or any other of the many odds things on 9/11) except those dirty low-down truthers. Off Topic? just a simile... LBJ already knew who the killers(planners) were, why and what he needed to do next. Difference is THEY could have easily gotten to LBJ where as Bush et al were the "THEY". "How could Johnson be so sure it was not the Soviet Union" He couldn't be "sure" that's why a conspiracy works - even if you're on the inside - right? But I bet he was more than reasonably confident that nukes were not flying towards the USA nor were troops pouring into our borders in the aftermath of the assassination... it was in fact, afterward, eerily quiet - Johnson wasn't the only SURE one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robert Morrow Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 If LBJ knew ahead of time what was planned in Dallas, he would have known not to fear USSR involvement. He also would have known to sell his Halliburton stock. Job #1 for LBJ would be to put a bullet in JFK's head. We now know Johnson was within a week of political extermination. Ed Tatro's 1,200 page unfinished manuscript on the JFK assassination is called "Urgency to Kill" and it is about the LBJ angle. Job #2 is anything that would come later. Just so folks know, I think military intelligence and anti-Castro CIA and Cuban operatives did the murdering of John Kennedy, wtih Lyndon Johnson's full knowledge and participation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 If LBJ knew ahead of time what was planned in Dallas, he would have known not to fear USSR involvement. He also would have known to sell his Halliburton stock. Perhaps...unless that was a loose end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 LBJ knew all along that the Soviets weren't about to kill Kennedy (or so I'd speculate.) When Oswald the Commie Patsy was captured alive (instead of turning up dead, as planned) LBJ had to know the jig was up, Fidel was not going to take the fall. But maybe he would? If the multiple-shooter aspect of the crime could not be concealed, LBJ would take Castro's place as the number one suspect by default. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-m-gillon/a-new-wrinkle-in-the-jfk_b_339026.html McHugh, like most members of the Kennedy entourage, did not know that Johnson was onboard. They believed that the new president was on his own plane flying back to Washington. If LBJ was on the plane, McHugh wanted to see for himself. Since he had not seen Johnson in the aisle -- and at 6'4" Johnson would be tough to miss -- McHugh assumed that he must then be in the bedroom. When he checked there Johnson was nowhere to be seen. The only place on the plane he had not inspected was the bathroom in the presidential bedroom. What McHugh claimed to have witnessed next was shocking. "I walked in the toilet, in the powder room, and there he was hiding, with the curtain closed," McHugh recalled. He claimed that LBJ was crying, "They're going to get us all. It's a plot. It's a plot. It's going to get us all.'" According to the General, Johnson "was hysterical, sitting down on the john there alone in this thing." "They're going to GET us all" -- not "kill us all." How were they going to "get" Lyndon Johnson? Hang the assassination on him! LBJ was a back up patsy -- and he knew it, knew he'd been set up (or so I continue to speculate, etc...). Sometime later during the AF1 flight back to DC, McGeorge Bundy (or was it Robert McNamara?) called AF1 (or so it's believed) and informed LBJ that the lone assassin had been captured. LBJ was off the hook. As soon as Lyndon arrived at the White House his better showed up and told him what's what about the Soviet Union. Max Holland's The Assassination Tapes, pg 57: At 6:55 p.m. Johnson has a ten minute meeting with Senator J. William Fulbright and diplomat W. Averell Harriman to discuss possible foreign involvement in the assassination, especially in light of the two-and-a-half-year sojourn of Lee Harvey Oswald [in Russia]...Harriman, a U.S. ambassador to Moscow during WWII, is an experienced interpreter of Soviet machinations and offers the president the unanimous view of the U.S. government's top Kremlinologists. None of them believe the Soviets have a hand in the assassination, despite the Oswald association. News of Oswald's Soviet connection hadn't hit the wires until 4:20 pm EST. So we are to believe that "the U.S. government's top Kremlinologists" were able to divine Commie innocence in little more than 2 and a half hours?? The U.S. government's top Kremlinologist in 1963 was W.A. Harriman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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