Thomas Graves Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 3/2/2017 at 11:06 AM, Sandy Larsen said: Just to summarize, here are the three woman said to be standing on the south side of Elm: Stella Mae Jacob (Native American) Gloria Jeanne Holt (blond) Sharon (Simmons) Nelson Sharon Nelson said she was "standing on the sidewalk on Elm Street about midway between the TSBD building and the underpass." This places her and her friends in the same location as the woman marked as Calvery, Hicks, and Reed. It's looking to me like you've identified the real names of the three woman, Thomas. Calvery, Hicks, and Reed are really Jacob, Holt, and Nelson, respectively. Or so it seems. (Note: Testimony indicates a few other woman were standing with these three. So I/Thomas might be misidentifying the woman labeled as Reed.) Sandy, "Or so it seems" ?? I'm Laughing Out Loud, Comrade! -- TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Thomas Graves said: Sandy, "Or so it seems" ?? I'm Laughing Out Loud, Comrade! -- TG Yep, and it still seems! Congratulations on your March 2017 discovery that ultimately led to a number of important discoveries and conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Living history with Karen Westbrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Robin Unger said: Living history with Karen Westbrook Robin, Sandy and I are already well aware of Westbrook's major boo-boos in that interview, as well as Thierry Speth's, Don Roberdeau's, and YOURS regarding your collective misidentification of Jacob, Holt, and Simmons, respectively, as "Calvary, Hicks, and Reed" in the Z-Film back in the day. Are you aware that Roberdeau FINALLY got it right about Jacob, Holt, and Simmons on his revised map? My God, haven't you been following our posts on the subject matter, Robin? -- TG Edited March 26, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 He probably has, but just doesn't buy the crap you two are obliterating this forum with. Just because you post it a million times doesn't make it true. it is Calvery and not Holt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said: He probably has, but just doesn't buy the crap you two are obliterating this forum with. Just because you post it a million times doesn't make it true. it is Calvery and not Holt. Bart, Why has Don Roberdeau (correctly) labeled those three women as Jacob, Holt, and Simmons in his revised map? And why have you at least (correctly) identified the brown-coat-wearing woman in Cabluck as Stella Mae Jacob? (Sarcasm: Was that a mistake on your part?) -- TG Edited March 26, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said: it is Calvery and not Holt. Bart, The woman you say is Gloria Calvery has light-colored hair, almost blond. Gloria Calvery has dark hair. You can't see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said: Bart, The woman you say is Gloria Calvery has light-colored hair, almost blond. Gloria Calvery has dark hair. You can't see that? Sandy, I suspect that Calvery had dark red hair and that Holt had light red hair. Either that, or Westbrook's memory is really, really bad. -- TG BTW, Brian Doyle told me by FM Messenger today that Mr. Calvery mentioned on the phone that his mother had told him that she was wearing a headscarf that day. Edited March 26, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 How big of a denier are you Sandy? First Shelley and Lovelady, then Calvery, then the teeth and now this? A pattern is emerging man! Westbrook stated she had red hair, ah of course she was wrong and you are 100% right....I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 50 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said: Bart, The woman you say is Gloria Calvery has light-colored hair, almost blond. Gloria Calvery has dark hair. You can't see that? You can't see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) Bart, Gloria (nee Little) Calvery did not have that shade of hair. She had dark hair. AND she always wore those glasses: You've done a lot of great 2nd floor encounter work. But you are definitely wrong about this. Edited March 27, 2018 by Sandy Larsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Stop mixing Jacob with Calvery. And stop using that multi generational copy of the newspaper article, from a hair colour p.o.v. it serves no pruposes. Westbrook said she had red hair. But no 'we' don't believe that do we.......your little pet theory like the ones before would fall apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Tommy, If we were to do a study on Gloria Calvery's height, I'm pretty sure that Bart's Calvery would be far shorter than the real Calvery. Just look at the height of our Calvery in the Z-frame. Gloria's husband was 6 ft. tall according to their son. That would make Gloria 5' 8" to 5' 9" tall. Or 5' 7" to 5' 8" tall in low heels. Look at how tall our Gloria is... tallest woman there. 5 ' 8" seems about right. Now look how tall Bart's Gloria is: Wow, look how tall Bart's Westbrook is! She must be close to 6 ft herself if that is Bart's Gloria standing next to her. (Gee, I wonder why Bart's Gloria isn't wearing those glasses she ALWAYS wears.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said: Tommy, If we were to do a study on Gloria Calvery's height, I'm pretty sure that Bart's Calvery would be far shorter than the real Calvery. Just look at the height of our Calvery in the Z-frame. Gloria's husband was 6 ft. tall according to their son. That would make Gloria 5' 8" to 5' 9" tall. Or 5' 7" to 5' 8" tall in low heels. Look at how tall our Gloria is... tallest woman there. 5 ' 8" seems about right. Now look how tall Bart's Gloria is: Wow, look how tall Bart's Westbrook is! She must be close to 6 ft herself if that is Bart's Gloria standing next to her. (Gee, I wonder why Bart's Gloria isn't wearing those glasses she ALWAYS wears.) Sandy, Being fair-minded but ignorant and lazy, I gotta ask this question: were they walking on a level sidewalk there, or on the slight slope that comprises the right side of the Grassy Knoll near the curb? -- TG Edited March 27, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) Karen Westbrook identified two bystanders. She identified herself as the woman wearing the blue scarf. and she also identified the red headed woman standing next to her as Gloria Calvery. Mr. SHELLEY - Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute. Edited March 27, 2018 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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