Kirk, you posit as I understand the testimony. And you make a great point, how about all the others at the training session? My recollection, however, is not that the training included the "Dealy Plaza operation", but rather that someone, I think Marvin, said he heard two of the trainers talking between sessions saying "that". Someone needs to follow up with the others on the training orders to see if any are alive and willing to talk. My guess is that, like Marvin's experience with the Green Beret society, you'll get only silence. That's not, in my estimation, what you'd expect of patriots, but my definition of patriotism comes from Leadership Training, not Followship Training.