Robert Harris

The fallacy in David's reasoning is that Connally certainly knew that he had lost a cuff link. If he was just guessing, that's undoubtedly what he would have assumed it was. But he saw the bullet and saw the nurse pick it up and put it in her pocket. He was not a stupid man and would never have said it was a bullet if he hadn't seen it. "A metal object fell to the floor, with a click no louder than a wedding band. The nurse picked it up and slipped it into her pocket. It was the bullet from my body, the one that passed though my back, chest and wrist and worked itself loose from my thigh." Even more conclusive is the fact that DA Henry Wade and officer Bobby Nolan, both saw that nurse. Wade, who actually saw the bullet, told the Dallas Morning News, "I also went out to see (Gov. John) Connally, but he was in the operating room. Some nurse had a bullet in her hand, and said this was on the gurney that Connally was on." Nolan stated, "Nolan: I was talking to a man who was one of governor Connally's aides. His name was - I think it was either Stinton or Stimmons (Bill Stinson). And he was an aide to the Governor. And she came up and told him that she had the bullet that came off of the gurney." I really don't see how there can be any dispute about this.

The overwhelming consensus of the witnesses that day, who commented on the spacing of the shots, was that they heard a single shot or noise, followed by a delay and then closely bunched shots at the end of the attack. This is how the Warren Commission described them: “ ..a substantial majority of the witnesses stated that the shots were not evenly spaced. Most witnesses recalled that the second and third shots were bunched together.” At one point during the hearings, Warren Commissioner Allen Dulles noted the overwhelming consistency of these witnesses, when he described the ratio of those confirming that shooting scenario in comparison with others, “There has been a certain amount of testimony indicating there was a longer pause between the report of the first shot... and the second and third shots, that is not absolutely unanimous but I would say it is something like 5 to 1 or something of that kind..” Specific examples: Eugene Boone, “And we heard what we thought to be a shot. And there seemed to be a pause between the first shot and the second shot and third shots..” Motorcycle officer Clyde Haygood, “Mr. Belin. Were the three spaced equally distant? Mr. Haygood. No.. Mr. Belin. Was one more close than the other one? Mr. Haygood. The last two were closer than the first. In other words, it was the first, and then a pause, and then the other two were real close.” Railroad superintendent Lee Bowers, who was well positioned fifteen feet above the ground in the railroad tower behind the Dealey Plaza pergola, “I heard three shots. One, then a slight pause, then two very close together.” Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell whose vehicle was in the motorcade, several cars behind the President, “There was a longer pause between the first and second shots than there was between the second and third shots. They were in rather rapid succession.” Mrs. Earle Cabell, who was riding with her husband, “It was in just a fleeting second that I jerked my head up and I saw something in that window, and I turned around to say to Earle, "Earle, it is a shot” and before I got the words out, just as I got the words out, he said, "Oh, no; it must have been a.." the second two shots rang out.” U.S. Congressman Ralph W. Yarborough, “..by my estimate - to me there seemed to be a longer time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots..” Secret Service agent William Lawson, “...I heard two more sharp reports, the second two were closer together than the first. There was one report, and a pause, then two more reports closer together, two and three were closer together than one and two.” Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig, “Mr. BELIN. Two or 3 seconds between the first and the second? Mr. CRAIG. Well, it was quite a pause between there. It could have been a little longer. Mr. BELIN. And what about between the second and third? Mr. CRAIG. Not more than 2 seconds. It was, they were real rapid.” James N. Crawford, “..the second shot followed some seconds, a little time elapsed after the first one, and followed very quickly by the third one..” Motorcycle Police Officer, Marrion Baker, “..I looked up, as the shots started, I immediately looked up, you know. I was already facing ahead and I just kind of raised, I sighted up, and while I was looking-up, those other two shots came off.” Secret Service agent William Greer who drove the Presidential limousine, “The last two seemed to be just simultaneously, one behind the other...” Secret Service agent George Hickey in the followup car immediately behind the President, “At the moment he was almost sitting erect I heard two reports which... were in such rapid succession that there seemed to be practically no time element between them.” Texas Highway Patrolman, Hurchel Jacks, who drove the Vice-President's car, “I heard a shot ring out which appeared to come from the right rear of the Vice President's car. Mr. Rufus Youngblood, the Secret Service Agent riding in my car asked me what that was and at the same time he advised the Vice President and Mrs. Johnson to get down. He climbed to the rear of the seat with the Vice President and appeared to be shielding the Vice President with his own body. At that time I heard two more shots ring out.” Mary Woodward (reporter for the Dallas Morning News) “I heard a very loud noise. And I wasn't sure what it was at that point, and I turned to my friends and asked "what was that? Is some jerk shooting off firecrackers?' And then I heard the second one, and this time I knew what had happened, because I saw the president's motion, and then the third shot came very, very quickly, on top of the second one.” Victoria Adams, who observed the motorcade from a window in the Texas School Book Depository, “...we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.” Robert H. Jackson, “I would say to me it seemed like 3 or 4 seconds between the first and the second, and between the second and third, well, I guess 2 seconds, they were very close together...” Ladybird Johnson (wife of then, vice-president Lyndon Johnson), “..suddenly there was a sharp loud report; a shot. It seemed to me to come from the right, above my shoulder, from a building. Then a moment and then two more shots in rapid succession.” Sheriff's Deputy, C.M. Jones, “..A few short seconds later, I heard an explosion followed in about 3 to 5 seconds later two more explosions.” Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, who rode in the front, passenger seat of the Presidential limousine, referring to the time between the last two shots he recalled, “Let me give you an illustration, sir, before I can give you an answer. You have heard the sound barrier, of a plane breaking the sound barrier, bang, bang? that is it.” Billy Lovelady, standing in the front entrance of the depository, “After he had passed and was about 50 yards in front of us I heard three shots. There was a slight pause after the first shot then the next two was right close together.” Mary Ann Mitchell, “...there were three---the second and third being closer together than the first and second...” Joe R. Molina. “... Of course, the first shot was fired then there was an interval between the first and second longer than the second and third.” Luke Mooney. “...the second and third shot was pretty close together, but there was a short lapse there between the first and second shot.” Arnold Rowland, “The actual time between the reports I would say now, after having had time to consider the 6 seconds between the first and second report and two between the second and third.” Barbara Rowland, “...the second and third were closer than the first and second. “ Edward Shields, “I heard one shot and then a pause and then this repetition - two shots right behind the other..” Special Agent Forrest V. Sorrels in the lead car, “There was to me about twice as much time between the first and second shots as there was between the second and third shots.” Chief Sheriff's Deputy Allan Sweatt, “The President's caravan had just passed and about a minute or two, I heard a shot and about 7 seconds later another shot and approximately 2 or 3 seconds later a third shot...” Secret Service agent Warren W. Taylor, “In the instant that my left foot touched the ground, I heard two more bangs and realized that they must be gun shots.” Bonnie Ray Williams “... I remembered three shots, because there was a pause between the first two shots... The second and the third shot was closer together than the first shot and the second shot..” Linda Willis, the fifteen year old daughter of Phil Willis (responding to a question about the number of shots), “Yes; I heard one. Then there was a little bit of time, and then there were two real fast bullets together.” Secret Service agent Rufus W. Youngblood, “There seemed to be a longer span of time between the first and the second shot than there was between the second and third shot.”

It seems pretty obvious, that the nutters reject the notion that a gunshot was fired at Zapruder frame 285 - just 1.5 seconds prior to the shot at 313. If they are correct, then there must be another explanation for why 6 people all began to react during the same three frames, or 1/6th of a second. http://jfkhistory.com/simultaneous.gif Three of them simultaneously dropped their heads downward and forward. http://jfkhistory.com/angles285.jpg These are the reactions which began within a third of a second following the shot at 285. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GH5pGQy6yI# The reactions following 313 were similar, though more pronounced, which suggests that that shot was fired from a more powerful rifle. But there were *NO* startle reactions to any of the shots prior to 285. In fact, almost no one heard more than one of them. So, if the 285 reactions weren't caused by a shot, then what caused then? Was it random coincidence? Was it because Greer slammed on the brakes? For those who are genuinely uncertain about this, I would suggest considering the following, verified facts and statements by the people who actually heard the shots. 1. Most of the witnesses in DP that day who expressed an opinion on the subject, said that the last two shots were "closely bunched". The WC concluded, "a substantial majority of the witnesses stated that the shots were not evenly spaced. Most witnesses recalled that the second and third shots were bunched together." 2. Mrs. Connally said that the last two shots were fired after she looked back at JFK, which was circa frame 258. 3. Mrs. Kennedy said the last two shots were fired after Gov Connally began to shout, which was circa frame 240. 4. Bill Greer said "The last two seemed to be just simultaneously, one behind the other.." 5. Roy Kellerman said that he heard a "flurry" of "at least" two shots at the end of the attack. "Let me give you an illustration, sir, before I can give you an answer. You have heard the sound barrier, of a plane breaking the sound barrier, bang, bang? That is it." 6. Charles Brehm said that the President was "15-20 feet" from him when the first of three shots were fired. He was exactly 15-20 feet from JFK at frame 285. He also showed Mark Lane, exactly where he was in relation to the limo when that shot was fired. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cHg4qeh2_M# 7. In the Secret Service car behind the limo, SA George Hickey said, "At the moment he was almost sitting erect I heard two reports which I thought were shots and that appeared to me completely different in sound than the first report and were in such rapid succession that there seemed to be practically no time element between them." 8. SA Sorrels said, "There was to me about twice as much time between the first and second shots as there was between the second and third shots." 9. SA Winston Lawson, "There was one report, and a pause, then two more reports closer together, two and three were closer together than one and two." 10. Warren Commissioner Allen Dulles, "There has been a certain amount of testimony indicating there was a longer pause between the report of the first shot... and the second and third shots, that is not absolutely unanimous but I would say it is something like 5 to 1 or something of that kind.." 11. Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell, "There was a longer pause between the first and second shots than there was between the second and third shots. They were in rather rapid succession." 12. Billy Lovelady, "After he had passed and was about 50 yards in front of us I heard three shots. There was a slight pause after the first shot then the next two was right close together." 13. Mary Ann Mitchell "...there were three---the second and third being closer together than the first and second..." 14. Joe Molina "... Of course, the first shot was fired then there was an interval between the first and second longer than the second and third." 15. Luke Mooney. "...The second and third shot was pretty close together, but there was a short lapse there between the first and second shot." 16. Arnold Rowland, "The actual time between the reports I would say now, after having had time to consider the 6 seconds between the first and second report and two between the second and third."(20) 17. Barbara Rowland, " ...the second and third were closer than the first and second. " 18. Edward Shields, "I said, 'The President has been shot'; we walked back to the lot and where Tracey was. I heard one shot and then a pause and then this repetition--two shots right behind the other.." 19. Special Agent Forrest V. Sorrels, "There was to me about twice as much time between the first and second shots as there was between the second and third shots." 20. Chief Sheriff's Deputy Allan Sweatt, "The President's caravan had just passed and about a minute or two, I heard a shot and about 7 seconds later another shot and approximately 2 or 3 seconds later a third shot..." 21. SA Warren W. Taylor, "In the instant that my left foot touched the ground, I heard two more bangs and realized that they must be gun shots." (In the Altgens photo, taken at Z255, Taylor has not yet stepped out of the car). 21. Bonnie Ray Williams "... I remembered three shots, because there was a pause between the first two shots... The second and the third shot was closer together than the first shot and the second shot.." 22. Linda Willis, the fifteen year old daughter of Phil Willis, "Yes; I heard one. Then there was a little bit of time, and then there were two real fast bullets together. When the first one hit, well, the President turned from waving to the people, and he grabbed his throat, and he kind of slumped forward, and then I couldn't tell where the second shot went." 23. Congressman Ralph W. Yarborough, "..by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a longer time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots.." 24. SA Rufus W. Youngblood, "There seemed to be a longer span of time between the first and the second shot than there was between the second and third shot." 25. Robert H. Jackson, "I would say to me it seemed like 3 or 4 seconds between the first and the second, and between the second and third, well, I guess 2 seconds, they were very close together..." 26. Ladybird Johnson, "..suddenly there was a sharp loud report--a shot. It seemed to me to come from the right, above my shoulder, from a building. Then a moment and then two more shots in rapid succession." 27. Lee Bowers "I heard three shots. One, then a slight pause, then two very close together." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSVYTIciXhw# 28. Victoria Adams, "...we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot." 28. Among the Secret Service agents, Sheriff's deputies and police officers, not even *one* of them testified that the early shots were closer together than the final shots. 29. Dr. Luis Alvarez concluded that there was a loud noise at frame 285, which he misidentified as a siren. He was corroborated by Dr. Michael Stroscio, who has chaired Presidential science commissions and has written about Alvarez's analysis himself. He expressed doubt about the "siren" theory and suggested that this was likely, the shot that caused James Tague's minor wound. The evidence is overwhelming, that Oswald did not fire all of the shots that day. Robert Harris

If you count the original statements from 1963 and 1964, you will find that a large majority of witnesses who mentioned this, said the limo slowed or almost came to a stop, which is exactly what it did. Greer lifted his foot from the gas for exactly the reason that Dr. Luis Alvarez said he did. He was startled by a loud noise at frame 285. Of course that was not a siren. That was a gunshot which also startled every other nonvictim who was in the limo.

As anyone who has studied the films and photos knows, there are four films in which the limo slows down but moves continuously. One might think that that would settle the issue. But some of the more extreme alterationists have argued that the perps must have altered all of the films so that they all matched. Absurd as that might seem, it is still true that the Zapruder, Muchmore and Nix films were all at one time or another, in the hands of the feds. But there is an exception. Like the others, the Bronson film also shows the limo in continuous motion, but unlike them, it was never in the hands of the government. Charles Bronson stated that FBI agents met with him at the Kodak processing center and viewed the photos and film with him. But the Elm St. sequence was tiny - much smaller than the other films and the feds said they were not interested in it. Later, UPI also viewed the film and were likewise, not interested. That movie remained with Bronson until after he died, when the family lent it to the 6th floor museum and permitted them to copy it. Undoubtedly, the most radical of the alterationists will try to argue that Bronson must have been "in on it". But I don't see how any rational person could deny that this film constitutes absolute proof that the limo never came to a full stop then.

I used to believe that the Daltex sniper was behind that fire escape too, but I think there is a much more likely location:

First, you have to realize that the followup car was almost bumper-to-bumper with the limo. The distance was about 2-3 feet, so Hill didn't have to run far. I made up this collage from the Muchmore film awhile back, which gives us a pretty good idea of his route to the limo. I placed the equivalent Zapruder frame numbers in the frames (the forum software shrunk the image - click on it to expand it).

It's pointless making this claim, unless you post the evidence to support it This is all about the angles and the kinds of lenses being used at the time. In the Nix frame that Steven posted, Jackie seems closer to Hill, but the limo also looks MUCH shorter than it does in the Zapruder film - I would estimate, about 30-40% shorter. Compare the sizes of the window next to Nellie. Lens distortion can do some very strange things to photographs, especially on these old movie cameras.

Setting other issues aside, and since this thread is about Kellerman, can we agree that his earliest recollection on 11/22/63 was that he went for the microphone AFTER the shooting had ended and he had yelled at Greer to hurry up and get out of there? Therefore, what he recalled was perfectly consistent with the Zapruder film. I can't help but suspect that he and a couple other SA's fudged their stories a bit to accelerate their actions, due to accusations that they were "sluggish" that day. They really weren't sluggish at all however. They just never heard anything that to most witnesses, sounded like a real gunshot, prior to frame 285. We were still traveling at the normal rate of speed of from 12 to 15 miles per hour when I heard a noise, similar to a firecracker, exploding in the area to the rear of the car, about 12:30 p.m. Immediately I heard what I firmly believe was the President's voice, "My God, I'm hit!" I turned around to find out what happened when two additional shots rang out, and the President slumped into Mrs. Kennedy's lap and Governor Connally fell_to Mrs. Connally's lap. I heard Mrs. Kennedy shout, "What are they doing to you?". I yelled at William Greer (the driver) to "Step on it, we're hit!" and grabbed the mike from the car radio, called to SA Lawson in the police lead car that we were hit and to get us to a hospital.

Bernice, would you mind linking us to the video which that was taken from? I do not see that in my Nix film, although I will admit that it is not the greatest copy. What I do see however, are a lot of little white dots like that, scattered throughout the frames, appearing and then disappearing in the next frame. And because your GIF has been darkened, I can't tell whether those dots were actually moving or are fixed in the background. That should be much easier to see in the original video. One thing I do see in my copy of the film, is that the head was driven slightly forward when the bullet struck - just as we see in the Zapruder film.

The majority of witnesses originally said it slowed down? Presumably from 14 to 8 mph? That is news to me. If what you say is true, why does Sherry Feister (Sp) go to such absurd lengths to disavow the large number of limo stop witnesses in her latest book? As far as I can understand, she does not argue that the majority said the limo slowed, but that the majority suffered shock and mistook the slowing for a stopping. As for the ejecta not seen, sorry, I am not buying anything you say for a moment. The bones in the back of the head (and not the front) were sprung open and a large amount of tissue in the rear of the head was observed missing. See McClelland before the WC. So the bones were sprung open by the force of the blast, much of the rear cerebral and some cerebellar tissue was missing, but no brains and blood exited the rear (Itek confirms this--that the extant film shows no such ejecta). So where did the brain tissue from the back of Kennedy's head go? Please don't tell me out the front. Whoever altered the film had to remove that ejecta as it would have been an obvious indication of a shot from the front. I spent a lot of years studying those testimonies, and yes, far more originally stated that the limo slowed down, than said it came to a full stop, although some of those witnesses seem to have been talked into changing their stories, by various authors. Ms. Fiester recently posted in my forum and although she is certainly knowledgeable in her field, she is woefully lacking in general knowledge of the case. She is a big fan of Beverly Oliver, for example. The notion that witnesses were "shocked" and mistook slowing for stopping is just silly. She needs to actually read the WC testimonies and learn that she doesn't have to make up silly excuses like that. And I already answered your question about why there was no BOH damage at 313. Please actually read the post to which you just replied. Better yet, take the time to listen to a couple of the presentations. The image I posted of 337 is the real thing and it is immensely important to an understanding of what happened. But it is also important to realize that the damage extended further down that what we see in that frame. I cite Boswell explaining that in his ARRB testimony, in the second presentation I linked. He confirms that there was damage extending down into the occipital region. He also explains precisely why we see no BOH damage in some of the autopsy photos.

Kellerman was simply wrong, in his WC testimony. This is from his report on 11/22/1963. He clearly, grabbed the microphone after the shooting had ended and after he yelled at Greer. We were still traveling at the normal rate of speed of from 12 to 15 miles per hour when I heard a noise, similar to a firecracker, exploding in the area to the rear of the car, about 12:30 p.m. Immediately I heard what I firmly believe was the President's voice, "My God, I'm hit!" I turned around to find out what happened when two additional shots rang out, and the President slumped into Mrs. Kennedy's lap and Governor Connally fell_to Mrs. Connally's lap. I heard Mrs. Kennedy shout, "What are they doing to you?". I yelled at William Greer (the driver) to "Step on it, we're hit!" and grabbed the mike from the car radio, called to SA Lawson in the police lead car that we were hit and to get us to a hospital. And why are people claiming that the fact that the limo "almost" stopped, suggests forgery? Dr. Luis Alvarez confirmed the slowdown from about 14 mph to 8, solely on the basis of the Zapruder film. And finally, I would like to hear how this "forgery" took place. Did the perps hire a Hollywood crew, replete with actors, extras and props? Where did they find 8 footers to stand in the grass and a "dwarf", Mary Moorman:-) Where did they stage this production? It would have been tough to pull it off in DP, without being seen. Did they do the same to fabricate the Nix and Muchmore films?? Why can't some of you guys be a bit more specific about the details of this thing or at the very least, demonstrate that it was even possible? 14 to 8 is not the same as stopped. As to how they did it, that is a good question. But that it was done is beyond doubt, at least to this reader. Additional Item: no ejecta leaves the back of Kennedy's head in the current film. For some reason, this has not bothered too many people. It bothers the hell out of me. Given the desciption of the wound at Parkland, the chief exiting point of blood and brains should have been the back to the head. The only explanantion I have been given was years ago by Bill Miller: the blood and brains exited the back of Kennedy's head too fast for the camera to pick up. Maybe Mr. Lamson would like to weigh in on that explanation. Then of course is darkening of the back of Kennedy's head, necessary to hide the Parkland wound. Yes, 8mph is not "stopped". That's because the limo didn't stop. It only slowed down, as the large majority of witnesses originally stated. And there was no damage to the BOH prior to the second headshot, because the shot at 313 came from the rear. The second headshot seems to have been inflicted at around 319. Jackie caught a glimpse of matter being ejected to the rear, which is why she got up and reached back to retrieve a piece of brain tissue. This was the result of that second headshot. And please don't try to tell me that the perps fabricated this very obvious proof of a shot from the front. As to why we don't see matter being ejected from the head, I can only urge you to do what I did and spend a grisly evening looking up videos of gunshots to the head. I think there is one at Speer's site and a few from old movies of executions. You just don't see much of anything being ejected in any of them, although there undoubtedly was. I would add that at the time of the apparent, second head shot, JFK was leaning sharply to his left and the large defect in the upper rear of the head was out of Zapruder's view. I made a number of video presentations about this; a few of the URL's are:

Kellerman was simply wrong, in his WC testimony. This is from his report on 11/22/1963. He clearly, grabbed the microphone after the shooting had ended and after he yelled at Greer. We were still traveling at the normal rate of speed of from 12 to 15 miles per hour when I heard a noise, similar to a firecracker, exploding in the area to the rear of the car, about 12:30 p.m. Immediately I heard what I firmly believe was the President's voice, "My God, I'm hit!" I turned around to find out what happened when two additional shots rang out, and the President slumped into Mrs. Kennedy's lap and Governor Connally fell_to Mrs. Connally's lap. I heard Mrs. Kennedy shout, "What are they doing to you?". I yelled at William Greer (the driver) to "Step on it, we're hit!" and grabbed the mike from the car radio, called to SA Lawson in the police lead car that we were hit and to get us to a hospital. And why are people claiming that the fact that the limo "almost" stopped, suggests forgery? Dr. Luis Alvarez confirmed the slowdown from about 14 mph to 8, solely on the basis of the Zapruder film. And finally, I would like to hear how this "forgery" took place. Did the perps hire a Hollywood crew, replete with actors, extras and props? Where did they find 8 footers to stand in the grass and a "dwarf", Mary Moorman:-) Where did they stage this production? It would have been tough to pull it off in DP, without being seen. Did they do the same to fabricate the Nix and Muchmore films?? Why can't some of you guys be a bit more specific about the details of this thing or at the very least, demonstrate that it was even possible?

THUD! NAA analysis? There's still someone out there who thinks that's serious stuff? Jimbo thinks that neutron activation analysis is junk science. He's wrong of course, but he never admits that he's wrong. I say David, you have a Ph.D in Junk Science. Why don't you educate Jimbo? Guinn's techniques, are not nearly as impressive to current scientists as they were in 1963. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070517142528.htm

I can't believe people are still arguing about this. Robert Groden went out to Lovelady's house and interviewed him and he confirmed that he was the guy in question. He had saved that shirt and took it out and put it on for Groden. This is from TKOAP. Am I missing something here, or is he claiming that Lovelady was the guy wearing a white shirt? That's ridiculous.

Hi Ray: I don't have any documentation in front of me at the moment but I am curious as to the source that the "envelope" Bell gave to "plain clothes agents" was of the see through variety. Can you enlighten me? Thanks, Gary Murr Gary, my mistake. The fragments were in a see thru plastic container not a see thru envelope. My bad. You were correct that the fragments were placed into a transparent container, but the container was placed into a small envelope. This is a photo of both the envelope and the container. Look closely at those tiny fragments. Does anyone actually believe that Audrey Bell showed that to DA Wade and a cop and told them that it was a single, whole bullet that came from Connally's gurney??

Paul, none of this is about how people respond to my article. It is about the verifiable evidence. Rather than go the ad hominem route, why not simply examine the evidence as objectively as you can, and form your conclusions based on the actual facts of the issue? This is the article. I recommend reading it all. Some of the most important facts come toward the end. http://jfkhistory.com/bell/bellarticle/BellArticle.html

Why would I do that? Just because it's UNSIGNED means I automatically should assume it's "fake"? Nonsense. Bob, do you REALLY believe that this note pictured below is a FAKE note, with somebody OTHER than Richard E. Johnsen of the Secret Service typing that note and then pretending that it was written by Johnsen? Also: What do you think the above note just MIGHT have been stapled to, Bob? (Hint -- There are staple holes in the CE399 envelope too.) Are those holes PROOF that Johnsen's note was stapled to that envelope? No. Of course not. But when we READ the contents of the note (in conjunction with the staple hole at the top of it, with the word "attached" being the key word here), isn't it pretty obvious that Johnsen DID staple his note to the envelope that held the stretcher bullet? Please tell me, Bob, WHY my above brief analysis regarding that note and the envelope is NOT a reasonable analysis? What makes it so UNreasonable in your view? David, it doesn't matter whether it was fake or not. Typing a note is not at all the same as marking the actual evidence. And the note was dated long before Johnsen was asked to verify CE399. This is a pathetically poor argument.

As I’m sure most of you know, Secret Service agents, Richard Johnsen and James Rowley, who examined the bullet that was found on a stretcher in the basement of Parkland hospital, refused to verify that it was the same bullet that came back from the FBI labs. Lone nut advocates like David Von Pein have argued that the reason for their refusal must have been that they did not mark the bullet as was standard procedure in law enforcement, and so could not be certain that it was the same one. Of course, the totally unsupported presumption that these agents failed to mark the bullet, breaking the chain of possession and rendering themselves incapable of verification, makes little sense. By far, the most logical explanation is that they did indeed, mark this important evidence and refused to verify CE399 because their initials were nowhere to be found on it. Confirmation of that fact, came from an unlikely source - David Von Pein, to whom I give much credit for reporting his discovery. This is a copy of an email he received from Gerald Blaine, in response to his request for information regarding this issue. From David’s website: David, Sorry I was late on this but my wife and I were in Europe for a couple of weeks. 1. The bullet found on the stretcher was retrieved and marked by SA Richard Johnsen and submitted as evidence. The bullet was later identified as the bullet that went through Governor Connally. Jim Rowley observed the bullet but did not have it in his possession. In 1963 the Secret Service or any federal agent who found evidence marked it so that there was a clean trail. The evidence went to the FBI after Dick [Johnsen] handed it over to them. Hope that this helps. Regards Jerry Of course the statement, which Blaine later clarified as coming from Clint Hill, who had spoken with Johnsen about this, clearly confirmed the reason why Johnsen could not verify the FBI’s replacement for the Tomlinson bullet. He couldn’t have been any clearer. “The bullet found on the stretcher was retrieved and marked by SA Richard Johnsen and submitted as evidence.” Poor David must have been devastated. He frantically, sent off another email, explaining to Blaine (a fanatical nutter himself), the consequences of his claim that Johnsen initialed the bullet. Blaine responded as best he could, promptly amending his earlier statement: Dave, Clint Hill talked to Dick [Johnsen] a month or two before he passed away and Clint told me that Dick had marked the evidence. Sounds like he must have put it in an envelope rather that initialing it [the bullet itself]... So, within a day or so, Johnsen no longer marked the bullet. He must have only marked the envelope. Needless to say, initialing an envelope is not at all the same as marking the actual evidence. But this becomes a moot question, due to the simple fact that Johnsen’s initials are nowhere to be found on the envelope which contained the original bullet. John Hunt confirmed that when he photographed the envelope. David’s last, desperate attempt at damage control was to suggest that Hunt overlooked the initials which must have been on the other side of the envelope. Of course, the suggestion that Hunt was so stupid that he didn’t bother to turn it over, is just ridiculous. The simple fact is, that CE399 could not have been the same bullet that Tomlinson found. It was also not the same bullet that wounded John Connally, since DA Wade, officer Bobby Nolan, and even Connally himself, confirmed that the actual bullet which fell from his leg, was picked up by a nurse. She then, passed it on to Nolan, who delivered it to the DPD the next morning. The evidence for this is beyond overwhelming. Most of it can be found in this article: http://jfkhistory.co...ellArticle.html

The apparent discrepancy is the result of cosmetic working having been done prior to some of the photos being taken. This was done by mortician, Thomas Robinson. http://jfkmurdersolved.com/EMBALMER.htm As for the damage to the BOH, the best witnesses were not in Parkland. They are us. And please don't tell me the perps created bogus frames showing massive damage to the upper rear of the head. Or if you do, please post your proof of that.

Not true. The shot to the throat caused the hairline fracture of the the T1 transverse process and left an air-pocket overlaying the right C7 and T1 transverse processes -- in a perfect trajectory from the entrance between the 3rd and 4th trach rings. From James Gordon: THAT IS NOT JFK!! This is what I've been trying to get across to you guys. People are different. And the location of the base of JFK's neck in relation to the vertebrae was different that in most men. Measure HIM, not a model.

The fact is, Jim, that the wound's being at T-1 destroys the argument for the SBT. A wound in that location necessitates that Kennedy needed to be leaning sharply forward when hit, and he wasn't. Then there's the other fact--that the argument the wound was at T-3 (and that the autopsy photo is therefore a fake) will never be taken seriously by serious-thinkers. I mean, think about it, seriously, some evil "THEY" faked autopsy photos that show a wound in a different location than purported by the Warren Commission...AND disproves the SBT? And this same "THEY" faked a film that shows Kennedy and Connally react to being shot more than a second apart, and strongly suggests--if not PROVES--they were hit by two different marksman? Who was this "THEY"? And WHY did they decide to fake evidence proving Kennedy was killed by more than one shooter? Yes, if the wound was at T3, then NEITHER of the two alleged wounds in the autopsy photo would have been low enough. And there would be no plausible explanation for how T1 got fractured or how nerves higher on the vertebrae were shocked enough to cause JFK's neurological reactions. And the fact that Robinson said "5 to 6 inches" confirms that he didn't measure it. He was making a guesstimate, just like a lot of people did. The accuracy of witness recollections are usually related to whether or not they were tasked with making that measurement. Take a hypothetical case. Jimmy was a newspaper reporter, whose editor sent him to a crime scene to report on a murder that had just taken place. When he returned he reported that the victim had been shot in the back. "Where was the wound located?", his editor asked. He replied, "Oh, about 3 or 4 inches to the right of the spine". Case #2. Jimmy's editor hands him a ruler and sends him out to that crime scene. "Measure the distance from the spine to that wound, Jimmy.". He returns within the hour, reporting, "It was four and one half inches to the right of the spine". In which case would you expect his measurements to be most accurate? The autopsists were measuring that very wound when the photo I referred to was being snapped. And though the facesheet was hardly perfect, it does suggest a wound at or very close to T1/C7. To dispute that, one has to prefer guesses over objective measurements and facts.

Not only did the HSCA claim that T1 was fractured, but on JFK (not on everyone) T1 was at the same height as the lower of those two alleged wounds on the back. I believe one bullet did go through both men but it certainly didn't come from the alleged sniper's nest and as I believe I proved in my article at http://jfkhistory.com/bell/bellarticle/BellArticle.html CE399 was not the bullet that wounded Connally. That bullet came from the third floor of the Daltex building. Consider the actual angle from an entry wound at the height of T1, to the throat wound. Notice that I edited Seaton's illustration by adding dotted lines to calculate that angle. And yes Mr. Lamson, there is angular distortion and each viewer has to decide for himself whether that distortion is significant. Also, it may be that the entry wound was a tad higher, just above T1 but below C7. That would explain both the fracture and JFK's neurological reactions which suggest that C7 was shocked by the passing bullet.

Jim, I accept that you are correct that JFK had custom made clothes. However Craig is correct to point that his jacket was indeed bunched. Croft makes that clear for all to see. How much it was bunched and what affect that would have on the position of the wound I do not know. Maybe not a great deal, maybe a lot. I am not sure if it makes a great deal of difference to your position that either way the wound was too low for the SBT to be valid. I agree with you on that point. I do not understand why you suggest that if photos such as Croft do show the jacket bunched that has to mean the photo has been altered. I have a problem with a position that says if the evidence does not support your position, then there is something wrong with the evidence. James. FWIW, the fact that JFK had custom made clothes, in no way proves that the coat could not have bunched. You are correct that it was bunched in Croft and the lower of the two alleged wounds was definitely an inch or two higher than the hole in the coat.