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  1. Larry Hancock

    A Lie Too Big To Fail by Lisa Pease

    Got me Ron, I'd have to see something more than I've seen so far to go further with it....of course by its very nature the entire crypt system was developed to confuse any document readers who didn't already know what was being discussed.
  2. Larry Hancock

    A Lie Too Big To Fail by Lisa Pease

    John Newman found the same thing, as well as a couple of other instances of the crypt being used. I chatted with him about it and he felt it was used for different external contacts over quite a period of time and in different locations. The crypt was certainly not associated with a single individual but seemed to generally have been used for contacts with potential criminal assets. I think Hank had mentioned it in his second book and Newman mentioned it in the second book in his current series as well.
  3. Larry Hancock

    A Lie Too Big To Fail by Lisa Pease

    Absolutely....and if you trace the timing you find out at first they took her story seriously and spent a good bit of time and a lot of energy trying to locate the polka dot dress girl. It was only after they failed and it was turning into a PR nightmare that they turn on Serrano and begin to undermine her story (totally ignoring multiple contacts by the ADA). If you look closely at the investigative reports there are little dozens on witnesses including multiple witness sightings of the PDG inside the hotel with other individuals and for that matter with someone resembling Sirhan. After Hernandez certifies her recanting under oath you find out all those documents have annotations across the top closing them out because of her new statement. Possibly the worst part of it is that at that point Hernandez is certifying her recantation as truth...when it is actually false based on her harassment. That fact alone would make a good deal of the police work, including everything he and his supervisor touched easily challenged in court.
  4. The pseudo assigned to Hecksher was Nelson L. Raynock, my friends Bill Simpich and David Boylan are working the crypts and alias beat for a number of persons of interest (we are getting them up at Mary Ferrell as quickly as possible) and would be in a better position to comment on Robert Graham. I checked with David and he confirms Nelson Raynock, Henry Boysen and James Beckhoff as names associated with Hecksher.
  5. I do have a copy of the updated version John, to me the most interesting part was Dick's further exploration of Henry Hecksher and his likely association with Nagell, in Japan and in Mexico City. I focused in on that so much that I'll have to check the book for what else might be new... At the time I don't think Dick even had the confirmation we now have that Hecksher did indeed go on special assignment to Mexico City during the missile crisis period in fall 62, which does put him there exactly when Nagell said he ran into BOP in Mexico City (presumably Nagell in his typical fashion was using Bob as a reference to Berlin Operating Base, Hecksher's first CIA assignment. What Dick also did not have available to him is the history on Hecksher's role in the Cuba Project and of course in AMWORLD....something several of us are following in our research on the Wheaton names. Which of course takes me back to the most substantive part of the Nagell story that I feel relates to the conspiracy, the approach by Cuban exiles to Oswald in New Orleans and their apparent (and abortive) effort to bring him into some unspecified activity in Washington DC in September. A precursor to the conspiracy which jelled only after Nagell left the story and ended up in jail. I'm glad you are enjoying the two books, if you have questions or want to chat feel free to email me at larryjoe@westok.net
  6. Larry Hancock

    A Lie Too Big To Fail by Lisa Pease

    In reference to the interrogation, I managed to contact a well respected polygraph operator...who trains in the subject...and after some time he agreed to listed to the interrogation and critique it. The net result is that he stated the basic protocol was violated in many ways including the set up of the reference questions. Unfortunately, once he realized what it was about he refused to be quoted by name....unfortunately not unusual.. I should also point out, as I do in my essays, that the letters and statements about Serrano's relating the story to an LA Assistant District Attorney outside the hotel before she ever presented herself to police totally deconstruct the Hernandez scenario and prove that his report on her was a lie...and he and his boss knew it because the ADA had written them multiple letters about his contact with Serrano.
  7. I need to really study the message routing again but its entirely possible CONARC, which is continental Army headquarters, put out a general query to major commands in regard to anything they had on Oswald, some of the commands may have circulated that to associated commands that were on their distribution list and Fort Worth responded.... just a thought, will look at the routing more when I have time. Of course at the same time Jones was happily sharing anything he could find in his files with DPD.
  8. Steve, I could have sworn that you found a document some time ago which showed that the original source of the communication was a general message that had come out of the Army headquarters in Washington late that afternoon and that it was being recirculated among a number of headquarters as SOP. Seems like this was discussed at length then and that Jones was wrong other than the fact that it certainly did not originate in the 112th. It seemed to make a great deal of sense given that it reads like a headquarters message that would go to a number of commands. I had put it out of my mind after that exchange...should have saved something I suppose. It also made sense given that Strike Command was a virtual command, being largely a headquarters group and its assets were within field Army groups including the armored units at Fort Bliss and commands like the 101st - if I recall correctly.
  9. Paul, I'm sorry but I really don't stay current on this subject and don't want to comment from memory...could you give me the context...what were these weekend duties at the 488th, and what is a sample of the communications to the 488 in which they were specified? Unless it was a special duty, general weekend duties in a Guard unit would be specified on the TO and tasking for that Guard unit, which would come from higher headquarters. That's routine, if its a special duty that's another story. Afraid you are going to have to spell it out in some detail for me to offer even a semi-cogent opinion.. My apologies but I suppose you and Steve have written to the national headquarters of the Army, the National Guard and the Army Reserve as well as the historians of each about these services...I've found the service historians to be very helpful in the past as far as Unit histories go, although the Reserve and Guard units have very limited documents still available for this long ago, they generally have good listings of how the overall organization structure and where known units fit, as well as their evolution over time.
  10. Paul, I'm afraid I can't help on the 488th; as I've said earlier I suspect the unit may have been a creation of the Texas Guard and only peripherally attached through the headquarters level of the National Guard; I never found any evidence of it being an active regular Army unit of any sort nor a reserve group attached to those units... As to Jones, I've written everything about him that I know, it appears to me he was selected by the committee to be interviewed (certainly not selected by the Army as a unit spokesperson) because his name showed up on some of the communications being exchanged with Dallas Police the day of the assassination. Of course given the questions they were asking they would have been much better off calling people from the local unit in Dallas but since his name was on messages actually relating to Oswald they probably just pulled Jone's name and that was it. Just a guess on my part.
  11. B.A. my paper and the study that's on available on C.D. - including the extended Prouty interview - are all based on extensive documents including internal memos from the ARRB. I'm sure there are more available, and that Malcolm got many of them but my writing was based on at least three or four hundred pages of ARRB documents.
  12. For reference we have now confirmed that Henry Hecksher (likely the BOB aka the Berlin Operating Base character) referenced by Nagell in Mexico City was in Japan at the same time as Nagell and Oswald and that Hecksher was also on special assignment to Mexico City in the same time frame that Nagell reports being contacted by him there (as someone he knew from Japan) in Mexico City - Hecksher's presence in Mexico City has even verified by his CIA travel record. Nagell's rather strange attempt at an Oswald like embassy pseudo defection in Mexico City has also been documented.
  13. I haven't heard the recent show myself however I can say that when Carmine and I debated Nagell Chuck moderated it and pretty clearly expressed his personal views that Nagell had long been of interest to him and I had the impression that he was not ready to write him off. Chuck's pretty good at letting pros and cons be presented without trampling the exchange.
  14. The fact that Carmine and I are good friends and that I know Mike as well illustrates how such subjects can produce very different interpretations but still lead to a conclusion of agreeing to disagree...grin. Carmine and I have debated Nagell on the air before and probably will again at some point so there can be survivors. If you are interested and have not read Dick Russells most recent book on Nagell (or the 2010 version of SWHT for that matter) you really should do so before bailing on the subject. I reached my own conclusions after several years of study and obtaining/reading hundreds of pages of Nagell related documents (including his military and medical files, court proceeding documents and all his personal correspondence related to his court filings and government disability claims). I also interviewed a couple of key characters who knew him including Vaughn Marlow. The case against Nagell as a source is based largely on medical issues...and its exacerbated by his own remarks over the years including the fact that he did adjust his story depending on situational elements....especially when he went to court to fight for custody of his children in a case versus his wife (he won, which might suggest something). Its equally interesting that he refused to change his basic story when the judge reviewing his case (LBJ's personal friend whom he later nominated to the supreme court) issued an order that his conviction would be overturned and he would be released if he admitted to a false plea (think about how many times that offer gets made in real life). So, not here to argue the case...Carmine and I might have a rematch some day (we were just on air last night with Chuck Ochelli on our JFK series). I would say just don't toss Nagell - whose claims regarding the assassination boil down to nothing more than observing Cuban exiles representing themselves as Castro agents meeting with Oswald to manipulate him and maneuver him into some action in Washington DC in September - without doing your homework. And of course as to that one point, its is totally and independently verifiable based on things Nagell could not have seen at the time he described...such as Oswald's letters to the SWP and CPUSA about a move to the Washington area in September and the fact that one of the first series of questions asked by the FBI of Marina after the assassination was her knowledge of this travel to Washington.
  15. Larry Hancock

    AMOTs in Mexico City Listening Posts

    Thanks for the kind words Miguel. As best I recall the sources goes back to the large CIA historical document on the station and the training of the various outside employees like the listening post and surveillance teams. There was also reference to a separate JMWAVE station outside the regular MC station at the American Embassy. Beyond that I recall JMWAVE documents about dispatching its personnel to MC for penetration efforts against the Cuban embassy and even using AMOT sources for potential contact work in MC, especially in the fall of 1963. My suspicion about the impersonation call is the same as yours - that is based on the work Bill and I did on the mechanics of the telephone taps. It appears those calls were recorded as coming from the Cuban embassy and if it was indeed closed the only place that outgoing number would be collected would be at the tap point on the telephone junction physically outside the embassy or from the phone line tapped onto it at the listening post.
  16. Larry Hancock

    AMOTs in Mexico City Listening Posts

    As I recall, Bill Simpich located documents indicating that AMOTS did training for listening post staff and other positions as well including the surveillance teams, however I don't recall that they had long term assignments actually staffing the listening posts. There are also documents indicating AMOTS were sent to Mexico City tdy on certain assignments.
  17. Larry Hancock

    Oswald was not in MC

    Steve, the best I can offer is that officially, the regional Army intelligence unit that did have a routine information exchange with Dallas was the 112th MIG. We do know that the regional MIG's were tasked with monitoring possible illegal travel to and from Cuba - especially in regard to American students and even FPCC members. However I suspect their focus in Texas would have been on the port cities, not the interior. And the 112th's responsibility was broader than Texas, you will recall that it was a 112th unit in New Orleans that collected the leaflet and reported Oswald's first appearance on the docks there...docks which did support Navy ships. And the 112th did become very much involved with the FBI in regard to Nonte and Masen, participating in the weapons sales sting run against Masen and the DRE. However from an investigative standpoint, they left it to the FBI to carry the ball in that. I go through all that extensively in SWHT. I think the point is probably that the illegal activities in question would have been Federal - illegal travel or weapons sales - so the FBI would have been the law enforcement group looking at the exiles. As far as DPD was concerned, all that was outside their jurisdiction - and pretty much everybody will tell you that if the FBI wants local help they will ask for it but that voluntary information sharing with local law enforcement is not historically much of a priority for them. All of which leads me back to Hosty and speculation that it was the FBI observing the exiles and the house on Harlandale....they kept that to themselves before the assassination and apparently afterwards as well, regardless of what Hosty remarked to the Secret Service agent.
  18. Larry Hancock

    Oswald was not in MC

    Thanks Steve, of course in some respect it makes sense - but only for DPD. After all they had experienced right wing violence on several occasions, they even prepared a photo book to use briefing security staff at the TSBD. The one group that had caused no violence and virtually no profile were the Cuba exiles whom most everyone was sympathetic towards. However it would be a very different story for the FBI, who was all over the weapons buying efforts, particularly those folks connected to the efforts to buy though Masen (it was Nonte who had triggered first Army intel and then the FBI to develop that sting). And it was most definitely the DRE that was the primary focus there....it should be noted that many DRE members were also Alpha 66 members and that guys from both factions were routinely visiting the House on Harlandale.
  19. Larry Hancock

    Oswald was not in MC

    I wish we had Steve but not specifically about the house itself. Walther's mother (I did have a chance to talk to Walther's some years ago) told him that there were new people down the street from the house who showed up during this time and left immediately after the Cubans did...that's suggestive but the real problem is that we never did obtain the FBI's subversive division files from Dallas...they were never turned over as JFK records nor did FOIA produce anything. Most likely they were destroyed long ago. The key agent (Heitman) did even write a book on his career but talked very little about Dallas, and his files are totally missing from the period we would be interested in examining - he was the one investigating exiles as possible subversives. So - nope, dead end I'm afraid to this point. We are turning up a few more suggestive things about the DRE visitors to Dallas but its all speculative at this point. Interestingly I once talked for years with a DPD reserve officer who was in subversive assignments and he told me about his assignment on Nov 22...they were covering white radicals, black radicals etc but as far as he knew Cuban exiles were not even on their radar. However given their weapons buying efforts, the Cubans definitely were for the FBI.
  20. Larry Hancock

    Raphael (Chi Chi) Quintero

    Thanks B.A. , it is indeed "slogging" with constant revisit, and internal challenges among those participating. The amount of detail constantly being revealed in the records research is fantastic and its really easy to be diverted on to interesting tracks. The only answer to that is to work against a thesis, then a scenario and let them keep pulling you back from tangents. Of course sometimes the tangents themselves can be revealing, our work on certain of the Wheaton names led us back to LaCombe which in turn led us to Chicago and to Lauchli and Moseley and the overall subject of weapons sales to exile groups..which helps establish some comparisons to what was going on in Dallas in the same period of time. Right now the biggest challenge is how to put this all together without losing it....seems like I keep adding appendix after appendix. However at the same time Bill is consistently adding crypts to the MFF crypt base and that includes people, bases, projects...and hopefully soon we will be adding pseudos and aliases. There is already enough for a historian to write a new and much more revealing book on the Cuba project, including its covert paramilitary assassination efforts which have been largely ignored compared to the Roselli poison pill efforts. Definitely a challenge for the few gray cells I have left, fortunately the others involved are younger...
  21. Larry Hancock

    Oswald was not in MC

    Very interesting photos David, it does seem a standard Oswald position....and yes, Oswald routinely crossed lines with exile groups but also with multiple FBI targets...not to mention his letters of support and help to both SWP and CPUSA (bitter ideological rivals). One interesting point in that is that while he definitely turned on Russia in his manuscript, harshly describing it as simply using communist parties for its own nationalistic goals, he appears to have sincerely admired Cuban socialism. Which means he could probe and provide information to the FBI on anti-Castro groups in good conscience. Sort of a risky business once they figure you out though.
  22. Larry Hancock

    Oswald was not in MC

    You bet Steve, I will be posting more in this vein in my blog as soon as I can organize it; my blog posts are getting to be like term papers. We will also be updating our Wheaton Names monograph to incorporate new research. While I'm certainly not going to submit that the DRE was the source of the conspiracy, there were some very radical things being said in its meetings, and travel to Dallas may have served as a cover for a couple of the tactical team "pathfinders" in advance of the attack in the Plaza...as well as in keeping tabs on Oswald's value as a patsy.
  23. Larry Hancock

    Oswald was not in MC

    Steve, some of the details we are just learning as David Boylan and Bill Simpich are on a deep dive into new documents and new names; I'm simply trying to organize and convey some of it in my blogs posts. I'll give a try at your questions below: 1) Would you say that Artime and AMWORLD were connected to Alpha 66? Not really, Alpha 66 like DRE was in the process of being shut out of operation by the Administration crackdown. You do find some members of each ultimately being recruited....as a matter of fact the hard core DRE members that we talk about in the Wheaton Names monograph were some of the first recruits. But organizationally not at all, Alpha 66 and DRE were desperate for money and weapons and AMWORLD was going to get all they could handle and more. 2) Does this say anything about Alpha 66 being spurned by the CIA and turning to the Army Chief of Staff, Intelligence for support? Things were happening and policies changing so quickly and on so many fronts in 1963 this gets quite confusing. In spring the Army had proposed incorporating Alpha 66 into a new generation of covert military operations that the Army would run against Cuba, much in the same way JFK had taken covert ops away from the CIA in Vietnam it was looking like it could happen that way against Cuba - this was before AMWORLD was conceived and took precedence. At that point CIA recommended against it because Alpha 66 was so uncontrollable. By fall they would shut off support for DRE military action for the same reason. 3) The CIA is running DRE. The CIA had played a heavy role with DRE from before the Bay of Pigs and afterwards, many of the pre-landing maritime missions were supposed to support DRE...most failed. Afterwards the CIA continued a small level of military support (Morales was the DRE military case officer) but primarily focused on the political use of DRE as a propaganda asset. By fall they were getting fed up even with that because DRE had consistently gone rogue on them. ACSI is running Alpha 66 Early on Army intelligence was very interested in Alpha 66 as a source of intelligence collections, I don't think you could ever say they were running them. You can say Alpha 66 trusted the Army more than the CIA (because they say that themselves) Who's running JURE? JURE was largely independent and had little support from the right wing factions in the CIA. After the failure of the CRC they were very much on their own. 4) Were the CIA and the Pentagon really that much at odds that they were firing on each other's ships? No, not the CIA and the Pentagon....AMWORLD and JURE specifically, Hecksher felt JURE was sabotaging AMWORLD efforts and had some reason to do so. 5) I always believed that Hosty's comments about the FBI observing Oswald meeting with subversives related to the house on Harlendale. Am I wrong? Nope, you are absolutely right on and I suspect Oswald was there and that the FBI had the place under surveillance...however Oswald may have contacted Cuban exiles at other places as well...DRE meetings, etc.
  24. Larry Hancock

    Oswald was not in MC

    Steve, first off Martino really didn't talk to anyone about Oswald or anything else related to the conspiracy until his remarks to his family the evening before and to his son the morning of the assassination. Martino was trusted inside the exile community for his intense anti-Castro fervor after being in a Cuban prison and for being tight lipped. On your question about Sylvia, the answer is really much broader in scope and relates to why all the major anti-Castro groups were increasingly desperate to acquire weapons by October/November. DRE was probably the most active, in Chicago and Dallas. The Sierra Junta (JCGE) would have been second, primarily in Chicago and the Illinois area. As for JURE, it had largely moved its operations offshore - which cut its opportunities for weapons acquisition and it was under intense pressure in Florida because it had tried to infiltrate JMWAVE and had been targeted in return, with orders from Hecksher and Artime for DRE missions to actually engage with and fire on JURE boats if they were encountered. And both AMWORLD and DRE were in intense competition - with DRE trying to buy weapons to support a base in Costa Rica and actually being ordered to stop military action by CIA. Long story short, all the groups other than Artime/AMWORLD were now on the outside with no US support, desperate to the the materials to demonstrate some sort of military action (proving they should still be supported by the US or more importantly getting private/business donations) and under extensive tracking by the FBI to abort their purchases. The groups were using more love level and inexperienced connections (like Sylvia) than before to try to evade FBI tracking (you find that in Dallas with both DRE and JURE). But that was not working since the FBI could simply pick the new folks up at the points of weapons contact. I've been blogging on this on Wordpress for some time now and will be doing an expanded post on the volatility in the exile groups by this weekend. It brings up the point that the FBI had quite a good grip on the situation in both Chicago and Dallas and the major established weapons/explosives dealers were under real scrutiny...which brings up the point of Hosty remarking to the Secret Service that Oswald had been observed by the FBI meeting with "subversives" during the weeks immediately prior to the assassination.
  25. Larry Hancock

    Oswald was not in MC

    As I recall there are some equally good sources that put him in Houston, also at McKewon's and of course there is the Abilene connection. As to Odio, having taken Sylvia entirely at her word for a very long time I'm not quite so sanguine any longer; there is a case to be made that her sister Sarita and she may well have both had contact with Oswald within exile circles and that her hallway encounter story was a diversion. Its worth noting that Martino knew the sisters were in Dallas and said so during his speech there; there is no obvious way he would have known the Odio's movements since research shows he was never in the same prison as her father. Of course her Uncle in New Orleans certainly did know here whereabouts and was even at Oswald's trial there. In one conflicting remark Sylvia said her Uncle had written to her about Oswald in New Orleans; in other remarks she denied that. As a counter Sylvia clearly wrote her father about suspicious visitors and he replied, warning her. Not trying to resolve any of this here but for those who don't feel Oswald went to Mexico it certainly its worth reexamining all this...especially after David's study of the MC evidence. If you write off Oswald in Mexico City clearly there are other leads to explore.
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