Government, MSM Lone Gunman Promotion - 54 Years Of Failure.

[Joe Bauer]

When a major, highest level and high cost government and Main Stream Media nation-wide propaganda campaign effort to present and promote an official investigative finding of one of the most important effecting events in our history that almost 2/3rds of Americans ( the target of this promotion ) have rejected every year for over "50 years,"  you must eventually ask the rational question:

Isn't it time to call this obsessive, never ending, huge expense effort for what it is ... a massive, glaring and even embarrassing failure?

The relentless 1/2 century government and MSM pushing of the "Lone Nut" JFK/Oswald finding despite the equal time period of large majority public rejection of this finding versus conspiracy, might very well be categorized now as a form of institutional mental illness.

OCT. 23, 2017 AT 12:51 PM

Most People Believe In JFK Conspiracy Theories

By Harry Enten

Filed under Conspiracy Theories

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President John F. Kennedy and first lady Jackie Kennedy, with Texas Gov. John Connally, on Nov. 22, 1963, the day the president was assassinated.

BETTMANN / GETTY IMAGES

Perhaps no major event in modern U.S. history has spawned more widespread doubt than the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas in November 1963. The official account: One man, Lee Harvey Oswald, did it. The unofficial theory: Well, there are many.

The JFK assassination is back in the news as the deadline for releasing a final batch of government documents related to the investigation approaches. Back in 1992, Congress passed a law ordering that all remaining papers be released by Oct. 26, 2017 — that’s this Thursday. President Trump could still decide to keep some information secret on national security grounds, but he seems inclined to allow everything to be released on schedule.

Will this last dossier of evidence put the conspiracy theories to rest? That’s unlikely.

According to a new FiveThirtyEight-commissioned SurveyMonkey poll of 5,130 adults, conducted Oct. 17 to Oct. 20, 2017, only 33 percent of Americans believe that one man was responsible for the assassination. A majority, 61 percent, think that others were involved in a conspiracy. In pretty much every demographic, most respondents believed that Oswald didn’t act alone.

Most people believe JFK wasn’t killed by Oswald alone

Respondents’ beliefs about President John F. Kennedy’s death, according to a poll conducted Oct. 17-20, 2017

GROUP	ONE MAN KILLED JFK	OTHERS WERE INVOLVED
Overall	33%	61%
Male	33	62
Female	32	60
White	38	56
Hispanic	22	72
Black	19	76
College graduate	42	52
No college degree	29	65
White college graduate	48	46
White without a college degree	33	60
Registered voter	35	61
Not registered	25	69
18-34	35	60
35-64	31	62
65 and older	32	60
Republican	36	60
Democrat	36	61
Independent, no lean	24	70
Voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016	38	59
Voted for Donald Trump in 2016	35	61

SOURCE: SURVEYMONKEY

A majority of men, women, white people, people of color, registered voters, non-registered voters, old people, young people, Democrats, Republicans and so on all believe that more than one person was involved in Kennedy’s assassination. This is one of the few questions in this polarized age on which you can even find agreement among Hillary Clinton voters (59 percent believe in a conspiracy) and Trump voters (61 percent).

That’s not say that every group believes in a conspiracy theory at equal rates. African-Americans (76 percent) and Hispanics (72 percent) are far more likely than whites (56 percent) to believe that Oswald didn’t act alone. The government, of course, has a history of lying to the black community, which may be why African-Americans are more likely to think the government isn’t telling the whole story about Kennedy’s death and other major news stories.

Additionally, independents who don’t lean toward either party (70 percent) and people who aren’t registered to vote (69 percent) are also more likely to believe there was a conspiracy. Again, that’s not surprising: If you don’t trust government, research has found that you’re more likely to not care who runs it and to not claim membership in one of the parties who control it.

Despite the low percentage of Americans who believe the government line, the theory that Oswald acted alone has actually gained steam among the public in recent years.

In our SurveyMonkey poll, the 33 percent of people who believe that one man killed Kennedy is higher than it’s been in any yearly average of polling since 1966. That was the year before New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison publicly accused the government of enacting a huge cover-up to conceal the fact that the president had been killed by anti-Communist extremists in the CIA. He later prosecuted a man he believed was involved in the conspiracy, and though he lost his conspiracy case in court, Garrison and his theory went on to be immortalized in Oliver Stone’s 1991 film “JFK.” Although the movie made millions of dollars and fanned the flames of conspiracy, it did not seem to have much impact on American opinion overall — the percentage of Americans who believed in a conspiracy remained pretty stable before and after the film’s release.

Why is it, though, that belief in a lone gunman has grown by over 20 percentage points in the past two decades? It could be that conspiracy theorists’ inability to provide proof has hurt their appeal to the public. It’s also possible that recent computerized evidence seeming to prove Oswald acted alone has gotten through to Americans. Finally, it could be a simple matter of demographic changes. The percentage of Americans who have at least a college degree continues to rise, and SurveyMonkey found that 42 percent of Americans with at least a college degree believed Oswald acted alone compared to 29 percent with less than a college degree.¹ In fact, a slight plurality of whites with at least a college degree actually believed one man was responsible for the death of Kennedy.

Whatever the cause of the recent upswing in the popularity of the lone assassin theory, most Americans still think that there was a conspiracy and that more than one man was responsible for Kennedy’s death. Perhaps if the government releases the final documents on the assassination, that will put conspiracy theories about the murder to rest. But chances are it won’t.

Harry Enten is a senior political writer and analyst for FiveThirtyEight.   @forecasterenten

 

Edited November 22, 2017 by Joe Bauer

[Cliff Varnell]

Why is it, though, that belief in a lone gunman has grown by over 20 percentage points in the past two decades? It could be that conspiracy theorists’ inability to provide proof has hurt their appeal to the public.

No, it's because the JFKA Critical Community bores the public to death with complex proofs of conspiracy.  Doing it for decades.

Edited November 22, 2017 by Cliff Varnell

[Micah Mileto]

Belief in the official lie has gone up because of the popularity of the "le rational skeptic" mentality. When everybody started figuring out that religion is BS, they assume that all other subjects are just as easy to figure out. 

[Joe Bauer]

The JFKA research community has defeated the government and it's colluding MSM in the 54 year long battle for public trust and belief regards the truth of this event.

It's that simple.

 

[James DiEugenio]

The reason the percentage supporting the WC has gone up of late is simple, its because the MSM has virtually refused to put anything on that informs the public of what is happening on the other side. In fact, its been pretty much a shut out for about the last 20 years or so.

If you look at the graph, our side peaked out in the nineties, after Stone's film came out.  At around that time, there were many people from our side that got exposure.

But shortly after, it was all shut down.  After this, people like Posner, and Gus Russo and Dale Myers, sponsored by Peter Jennings and PBS came on.  And that was about it.

Even Jefferson Morley, who worked on the Washington Post for 15 years, has to go on CBC to get any long report in on the case.  

I mean was there any better example than the last four weeks of chattering nabobs who talked about these files and never revealed any of real importance and all accepted that LHO was on the phone in MC with the Russian Embassy, when in fact that guy spoke terrible Russian and we know Oswald spoke very good Russian?

When Steve Jaffe has to go to the tabloid National Enquirer, that tells you what you need to know about the MSM on this case.  As do Alec Baldwin's comments at the Mock Trial dinner.

[Cliff Varnell]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

If you look at the graph, our side peaked out in the nineties, after Stone's film came out.  At around that time, there were many people from our side that got exposure.

Factually incorrect.

It peaked out in 2001.

By 2003 alt.conspiracy.jfk, alt.assassination.jfk, Lancer and the Della Rosa group were all going strong and the downward trend had already commenced.

Pogo time: "We have met the enemy and he is us."

Edited November 22, 2017 by Cliff Varnell

[Cliff Varnell]

4 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

The JFKA research community has defeated the government and it's colluding MSM in the 54 year long battle for public trust and belief regards the truth of this event.

It's that simple.

 

But we're losing ground.

Especially among the young, and college educated.

That's because "our" message is hopelessly muddled, as demonstrated by the mock trial.

[Cliff Varnell]

 

GROUP	ONE MAN KILLED JFK	OTHERS WERE INVOLVED
Overall	33%	61%
Male	33	62
Female	32	60
White	38	56
Hispanic	22	72
Black	19	76
College graduate	42	52
No college degree	29	65
White college graduate	48	46
White without a college degree	33	60
Registered voter	35	61
Not registered	25	69
18-34	35	60
35-64	31	62
65 and older	32	60
Republican	36	60
Democrat	36	61
Independent, no lean	24	70
Voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016	38	59
Voted for Donald Trump in 2016	35	61

SOURCE: SURVEYMONKEY

This bears further examination.  Note the spike in the early-90's -- no doubt the impact of Oliver Stone's JFK.

The level of conspiracy support stayed steady and then began to spike up again in the late 90's.

During the 90's there was a barrage of anti-conspiracy coverage in the mainstream media.

3 times in the 90-'s I read that Lee Harvey Oswald alone killed Kennedy -- in the Sporting Green of the San Francisco Chronicle.

The graph above suggests that the 2003 ABC doc on the Single Bullet Theory started the growth in support for Lone Nuttery.

I disagree.  There'd always been pro-Lone Nut shows and interviews on TV and it never had that much of an impact.  Note the greatest erosion of support is among the college educated.

In the early days of the internet many cogent arguments for conspiracy were posted and the pro-conspiracy view spiked up again.  But by the early 2000's a "Lone Nut" pushback turned internet forums into micro-analysis Hell.

I take personal responsibility.  I was the worst.  I took the best evidence in the case -- the extant physical evidence -- and drove it into a false equivalency rabbit hole.

For the first 8 and a half years I was unwitting.  After I attended the 2005 Cracking the Case Conference in Bethesda I became a critic of the JFKA Critical Community.  It had dawned on me that what I was doing on the 'net was generating obfuscation -- "Obfuscation is the collateral damage of good research" became my motto.

I continued to go back and forth micro-analyzing the clothing evidence.  The Goddess of Historical Truth lay in the gutter bruised and bleeding and all I was doing was stand on the sidewalk sharpening my weaponized fact of conspiracy spraying sparks over Her pummeled body.

Nowadays I wield the Weaponized Fact without fear of fake debate.  T3 deniers either STFU or they'll say something moronic and then STFU.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2017 by Cliff Varnell

[James DiEugenio]

On November 22, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Cliff Varnell said:

Factually incorrect.

It peaked out in 2001.

By 2003 alt.conspiracy.jfk, alt.assassination.jfk, Lancer and the Della Rosa group were all going strong and the downward trend had already commenced.

Pogo time: "We have met the enemy and he is us."

False declaration based upon incomplete information and assumption.

If you read the caption, this is Roper.  They are not the only ones who do polls. 

One of the major networks took a poll after the movie JFK came out and that poll was the highest rate of disbelief ever, around 90 per cent. 

If one recalls, at around that time, in 1992, there was a window of about 6-9 months where the media was actually open to carrying our side. or at least having a balanced view,  

This was more or less formally ended when Posner's book came out.  Bob Loomis and Harry Evans launched that smear attack in the NY Times against Marrs, Groden, Garrison, Lifton, Lane etc and that sanctioned the belittling and caricaturing attacks on all the critics.  In 2013, Hart Associates, a well respected polling firm in Washington, did a poll and they found it had declined to 75%.  That was a very good poll because they also did focus groups with it.  And the results of those focus groups was really a boon for our side.  Around 90 percent said that something really went wrong with America after Kennedy's assassination and things have not been the same since.  

The Loomis/Evans move really set a paradigm.  And as Alec Baldwin revealed at the Mock Trial dinner, it has been followed by others in the MSM.  Although there may be an exception coming down the track with the film The Parkland Doctors.

[Cliff Varnell]

40 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

False declaration based upon incomplete information and assumption.

If you read the caption, this is Roper.  They are not the only ones who do polls. 

Roper  Oct.2017: ct 61% ln 33%

WA Post Nov. 2013: ct 62%  ln 29%

Gallup Nov. 2013: ct 61% ln  30%

Marist Nov. 2013: ct 58% ln 28%

ABC News 2003: ct 70% ln 32%

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One of the major networks took a poll after the movie JFK came out and that poll was the highest rate of disbelief ever, around 90 per cent. 

Roper shows a major spike.

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If one recalls, at around that time, in 1992, there was a window of about 6-9 months where the media was actually open to carrying our side. or at least having a balanced view,  

This was more or less formally ended when Posner's book came out.  Bob Loomis and Harry Evans launched that smear attack in the NY Times against Marrs, Groden, Garrison, Lifton, Lane etc and that sanctioned the belittling and caricaturing attacks on all the critics.

And according to Roper this had no impact on the percentage of pro-conspiracy views.

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In 2013, Hart Associates, a well respected polling firm in Washington, did a poll and they found it had declined to 75%.  That was a very good poll because they also did focus groups with it.  And the results of those focus groups was really a boon for our side.  Around 90 percent said that something really went wrong with America after Kennedy's assassination and things have not been the same since.  

Hart looks to be a bit of an outlier.

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The Loomis/Evans move really set a paradigm.  And as Alec Baldwin revealed at the Mock Trial dinner, it has been followed by others in the MSM.  Although there may be an exception coming down the track with the film The Parkland Doctors.

Too bad they're not doing The Bethesda Doctors.

That's a much much much better story.

Edited November 25, 2017 by Cliff Varnell

[James DiEugenio]

The other problem I have with this poll is this:

It took awhile to go from the 90 percent to 75 percent.

And in 2003, for ABC, it was at 75 percent, and that was the figure for 2013 and Hart Associates. In fact, Hart prefaced their findings with how it agreed with ABC.

But now there is this sudden drop in a relatively short period of time.

There are a lot of ways to manipulate polls, and no one knows better how to do it than the Poll Takers.

[Cliff Varnell]

26 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

The other problem I have with this poll is this:

It took awhile to go from the 90 percent to 75 percent.

The Roper poll never hit 90 percent.  It took two years to go from around 80% to around 74% and has fallen steadily since.

26 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

And in 2003, for ABC, it was at 75 percent, and that was the figure for 2013 and Hart Associates. In fact, Hart prefaced their findings with how it agreed with ABC.

The ABC poll was 70%  Google it.

  Compared to other polls the Hart poll is the outlier.

26 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

But now there is this sudden drop in a relatively short period of time.

Excuse me?  It dropped about 20 points in 16 years, a steady erosion.

26 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

There are a lot of ways to manipulate polls, and no one knows better how to do it than the Poll Takers.

 

[Joe Bauer]

The drop, especially in the white and college graduate areas might easily be explained by the fact that younger American generations are not aware of or even inclined to have read the research literature compiled by older Americans who had ( by living through it) a hugely stronger emotional stake in wanting to know much more about the JFK,OSWALD, MLK AND RFK assassinations than what the MSM and the WC has always restrictively presented and promoted.

I'll guess that a massive percentage of these younger generations don't even know who Garrison, Lane, Marrs, Meagher, Brussell, Salandria, Fonzi, and all the rest of this era were and what they did.

And these younger Americans grew up with the mass media psychological planting labeling of conspiracy believers as "looney" as Vince Bugliosi so often repeated and I am sure this has taken hold with a decent number of them.

Also if they have cared or dared to, or accidentally watched any nationally broadcasts docs on the subject in the last 20 years, they probably saw the ones that flooded out the CT ones. Like Clint Hill book tour talks,  a following car SS man accidentally hit JFK, Bill O'Reilly's book, Stephen King's TV story, We know all the rest.

And if one is a college grad with a decently paying career going or starting out, I would think they might be apprehensive of expressing any conspiracy leanings in any social media way lest it gets back to their employers?  UFOS, FAKE MOON LANDING, BIG FOOT, 9-11, JFK, MLK, RFK, SNOWDEN...

There are certain but distinct areas of discussion and social media subjects you just don't go into "on record" now...lest it may come back to hurt your career standing.

Edited November 26, 2017 by Joe Bauer

[Kirk Gallaway]

That's right. Joe. And similarly, the  problems involving  the release of the newly classified documents  isn't the latest "MSM media conspiracy" du jour!

The mainstream media is to our viewpoint very ignorant about the Kennedy assassination because they were born after it, their parents were probably confused by it, they were educated to view it with some skepticism and all their journalistic idols and career contacts didn't emphasize it.

I would predict it would very gradually continue unless there's a major break in this case.

 

[Tom Little]

Thanks for the excellent analysis.  Within a couple years Mark Lane's "Rush to Judgement" came out with very strong witness testimony destroying the official version of events. There were numerous books and films like Burt Lancaster in "Executive Action" with some plausible versions of events.  

One thing to keep in mind is that the truth tellers are dealing with a huge industry web of the military and the intelligence agencies with huge stakes in promoting their agendas.  Not just the CIA, but you have numerous other intelligence agencies that don't seem to have the goods on Donald Trump yet, with NSA, the most powerful computers AI, some high IQ people--but still the truth takes forever to come out.