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1 hour ago, Rich Pope said:

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Cliff, as I said I may be wrong. Likely even.  But look at the height of JFK's right elbow.  It's at least ear height.  That's not a normal position, which is why I've thought it's a reaction to the force of the back shot.  I don't have time to look at earlier frames right now to make the comparison.  If I have time later I will, just to illustrate what I see.

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The frame is good enough to show it was a frontal shot.  Not to mention the through and through hole in the front windshield of the limo.  Remember, there was no bullet proof glass on this car so that theory goes out the window.  The right fist is the closest to the entry wound on the throat.  See the autopsy photo showing the tracheotomy.  The left fist doesn't make it and if more over his upper chest.  Keep in mind that a shot from the 6 floor, downward sloping would never change directions and exit throat near the knot of the tie at an upward trajectory.  Physics prevents this completely.  Also remember key frames in the Z-film were removed so using it as the ultimate source of information my be risky at certain frames.  And Governor Connally is still holding his Stetson, so he hadn't been hit in the wrist yet.  Like I said in previous posts.  I'm no longer interested in what happened as I am as in why it happened.  At first, I wanted to destroy everything in my brothers "1963 box" and never have to worry about it again.  Instead, It's locked away, only I can get to it and sadly enough, I never leave my house.  If anyone rings the doorbell or knocks on the door, I just pretend I'm not home.  So I'm a hermit but I'm a hermit at peace.  The only way any authority figure would get the info from me is if they agree to "sheep dip" me and I vanish in the night.  Until then, let all these JFK researchers pluck away on their typewriters/computers.  It's all in vain.  Their only reward is their ego.

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I would like to make a point that may not fit with this thread.  We all know JFK was a womanizer.  But think of the women he chased.  They were not only beautiful, they were incredibly intelligent and politically savvy.  Maryln Monroe and Mary Pinochet Meyers for example.  JFK not only enjoyed the physical aspect of the relationships, he cherished the mental stimulation he received.  Marylin Monroe was even quoted for saying the sexiest part of a person was their mind.  It's no wonder both of these women were murdered.  JFK couldn't resist sharing ideas with them not to mention they kind of looked alike.  

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On ‎9‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 10:40 AM, Paul Brancato said:

The entry wound in the throat. Best explanation. From where and by whom in your opinion?

22 hollow point from the front.  No exit when shooting a rabbit, squirrel, or human throat.  Bullet mushrooms and shards disperse from the edges.  Shuts him up regarding what happens next.  Pre autopsy x-ray. Pre autopsy surgery to remove bullet and fragments from entry wound and ensuing tracheostomy (along with other bullets/fragments elsewhere?).  Open his eyes back up, somehow, the Priest in Dallas said they were closed.  Bingo, you have the death stare photo with the butchered throat.

Still wish Bob Prudhome was around to analyze the ballistics.  I trusted his judgement. 

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4 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

 

Never noticed the left hand pulling the tie. 

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  Cliff - if the frontal throat shot wizzed past Connolly’s left ear where does that put the shooter?

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51 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

22 hollow point from the front.  No exit when shooting a rabbit, squirrel, or human throat.  Bullet mushrooms and shards disperse from the edges.  Shuts him up regarding what happens next.  Pre autopsy x-ray. Pre autopsy surgery to remove bullet and fragments from entry wound and ensuing tracheostomy (along with other bullets/fragments elsewhere?).  Open his eyes back up, somehow, the Priest in Dallas said they were closed.  Bingo, you have the death stare photo with the butchered throat.

Still wish Bob Prudhome was around to analyze the ballistics.  I trusted his judgement. 

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12 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Never noticed the left hand pulling the tie. 

I agree with Gil's analysis that JFK was grabbing at the tie with his left forefinger. 

Then the finger stiffens.

Civilians working for the US Army Special Operations Division developed paralytics to silence guard dogs -- took two seconds to take effect.

That's about how long it took JFK to act paralyzed.

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18 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

 Bennett said he was looking to the front when he heard the first shot; the Willis 5 (Z202) photo shows him facing to the right in the follow-up car.  He said he then turned to look at "the Boss"; Altgens 6 (Z255) shows his features blurred, consistent with movement.  He said he saw JFK hit in the back "four inches down from the shoulder"; the bullet defects in JFK's clothes are four inches below the collars.  The back shot occurred right before the head shot, Bennett stated.

Did he really HEAR the back shot or did he just SEE the impact of the bullet on Kennedy's back?

If you look at the bystanders in Altgens 6 none of them seems startled by the sound of a high-powered rifle being fired. Some of them are still smiling.

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16 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

I agree with Gil's analysis that JFK was grabbing at the tie with his left forefinger. 

Then the finger stiffens.

Civilians working for the US Army Special Operations Division developed paralytics to silence guard dogs -- took two seconds to take effect.

That's about how long it took JFK to act paralyzed.

He may indeed be grabbing at his tie, but from the blurred images how, again, can anyone be certain?  We need much better resolution to talk about individual fingers.  I'm inclined to agree with Gil's theory overall.  I don't think there's a good understanding of when the shot occured.  For JFK to be reacting AT ALL, the bullet hit him several frames earlier at 18 FPS.  

I would argue he's reacting at 225, and more clearly at 226.  This is the very beginning of his hands moving up, but they're moving.  Which makes the bullet impact several frames earlier IMO.

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3 hours ago, Michael Cross said:

He may indeed be grabbing at his tie, but from the blurred images how, again, can anyone be certain?

Certain of what?

Who in the world is going to react to a shot in the back by putting their hands in front of their throat?

It seems to me folks engage in witness bashing when Glenn Bennett's notes are ignored, and the testimony of close proximity witnesses are ignored.

From the WC testimony of close proximity witness Linda Willis:

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Mr. Liebler: Did you hear any shots, or what you later learned to be shots, as the motorcade came past you there?

Miss Willis: Yes; I heard one. Then there was a little bit of time, and then there were two real fast bullets together. When the first one hit, well, the President turned from waving to the people, and he grabbed his throat, and he kind of slumped forward, and then I couldn't tell where the second shot went.

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From the WC testimony of close proximity witness Nellie Connally:

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Mrs. Connally:...I heard a noise, and not being an expert rifleman, I was not aware that it was a rifle. It was just a frightening noise, and it came from the right. I turned over my right shoulder and looked back, and saw the President as he had both hands at his neck.

Mr. Specter: And you are indicating with your own hands, two hands crossing over gripping your own neck?

Mrs. Connally: Yes; and it seemed to me there was--he made no utterance, no cry.  I saw no blood, no anything. It was just sort of nothing, the expression on his face, and he just sort of slumped down.

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3 hours ago, Mathias Baumann said:

Did he really HEAR the back shot or did he just SEE the impact of the bullet on Kennedy's back?

From Bennett's contemporaneous notes:

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...The Presidents auto moved down a slight grade and the crowd was very sparse.  At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded of a firecracker. Immediately upon hearing the so called firecracker, looked at the Boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head.

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If you look at the bystanders in Altgens 6 none of them seems startled by the sound of a high-powered rifle being fired. Some of them are still smiling.

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16 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

  Cliff - if the frontal throat shot wizzed past Connolly’s left ear where does that put the shooter?

Is that what happened?

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14 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Is that what happened?

Referring to the photo analysis by Gil. Connolly reacted to the shot that whizzed past him and entered JFK’s throat. Looked like it was to Connolly’s left. Did you see it differently? I think he was implying that the bullet went through the windshield first.

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