David Von Pein

Well, yeah, sure. But one of the reasons to have a vast archive of JFK arguments and posts at your disposal (as I do at my blog sites) is so that every time the same old already-debunked conspiracy stuff comes up at JFK forums or in E-mail group discussions, the material can be easily accessed and a link provided. It sure does save a lot of keyboard-pounding and repetition. (But repetition does seem to be a common tendency when discussing the JFK case. I can certainly testify to that fact after 20+ years.)

And she would never tell the truth, would she? And what about LHO's notebook full of pictures of Walker's backyard, etc.? Was that all created by the patsy framers? Or Marina perhaps? So what? That's totally irrelevant when discussing the facts here at the EF forum. How about if I tackle both at the same time? I've got tons of stuff already archived concerning both of those topics.... http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html#The-Paper-Bag http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html#CE399

OK. Thanks for answering.

But from Oswald's POV (re: Cuba), there certainly would have been. Correct.

Of course, as we all know, nobody can know with any certainty why Oswald shot JFK. All we can do is take guesses to try and answer the burning question concerning "Motive". And I think the best guess is that Oswald probably killed Kennedy because he felt that by murdering the leader of the United States (i.e., Fidel Castro's bitter enemy in the early 1960s, particularly following the Cuban Missile Crisis), he would be aiding a person he greatly admired (Castro) and a cause he wanted very much to defend (Castro's Cuban Revolution). But, at the same time, I've often wondered if Oswald himself really knew what his true motive was. And I wonder the same thing about Oswald's motive and mindset when it comes to his attempt on General Edwin Walker's life in April of 1963. But the facts clearly indicate, regardless of the motive(s), that Oswald, who was very politically active in the year 1963, did in fact take shots at both of those political figures (Walker and Kennedy) in nineteen sixty-three in attempts to end both men's lives. And each of those political figures was very much ANTI-Castro and ANTI-Communist in their beliefs, just the opposite of Mr. Oswald's ideology.

Do you actually believe the "Hickey Shot JFK By Accident" theory?

Then that would be yet another incredible piece of luck for the conspirators.....to have the throat wound come out so nice and round and perfect and non-jagged (and in just the right spot on JFK's neck!) so that Specter & Company would be able to say that it was the exit for CE399. That would be absolutely amazing. Don't you find those things rather amazing yourself, Denise, in an "SBT"-like way?

Why do you say it's "incorrect"? The pointer is obviously NOT entering the "neck". It's the upper BACK. And, yes, I know that the pointer is going over the shoulder of the JFK stand-in, but what else could anybody expect via a demonstration of this sort? You can't expect Specter to sacrifice an FBI (or SS) agent just for the sake of a picture. So that makes the lateral [R-to-L] angle in the CE903 photo off by just a tiny bit so that Specter wouldn't have to skewer the agent sitting in JFK's seat. Plus, as I said in my last post, the angle is just right for it to lead back to the "Oswald" window (17.72 degrees).....which, I admit, is likely not the exact angle that the SBT bullet took on Nov. 22. But a little bit of "margin of error" must be permitted the WC on the angles. Here's why.... http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/12/ce903-part-3.html#Angles

Has any conspiracy theorist in history ever made this basic observation?.... Boy, those assassins were sure a bunch of lucky sons of bitches when the guy who shot JFK in the throat from the front managed to hit Kennedy in exactly the right spot on his body so that (later on) the official investigators could utilize that entry wound in the throat as the point of exit for the SBT bullet. And then the multiple assassins got even luckier when the upper-back bullet and the bullet that entered the throat both decided not to exit the body and then both of those bullets vanished into puffs of smoke before either of those bullets (which obviously were still inside JFK's body when he was inside Trauma Room No. 1 at Parkland Hospital) could be seen by any non-conspirator. Can anyone truly believe that such incredible good fortune could possibly have existed amongst the (alleged) multiple shooters who were (allegedly) firing bullets at President Kennedy on 11/22/63? (And yet CTers have the gall to tell me that I am the one who believes in "Magic Bullets". Oy vey!)

I strongly disagree with your above statement, Denise. IMO, the best visual (photographic) evidence there is to demonstrate the correctness of the SBT is Commission Exhibit No. 903, which clearly and plainly shows that the Warren Commission did NOT "raise the back wound" up into the "neck" of JFK (which is a claim constantly being made by conspiracists). Just look for yourself and see where the WC (Arlen Specter) places the wound via his metal pointer/rod---it's definitely in the BACK here, not the NECK.... And the pointer is then being inserted into the exact same bullet hole in the coat that was being worn by John Connally when he was shot. And the angle of Specter's pointer (which perfectly matches the angle of the string that's on the wall in the background) is 17.72 degrees (17d-43m-30s), which matches the angle from Oswald's window to Kennedy's back wound at circa Zapruder frame Z217.5 (i.e., the average angle between Z210 and Z225) as measured by the surveyors out on Elm Street. Pat Speer's persistent gripes concerning CE903 notwithstanding, that particular Commission exhibit (CE903) is just about as perfect in an "SBT" manner as you could get---which (when you dwell upon it for just a few minutes) is absolutely incredible if the CTers are correct about the SBT being nothing but a totally made-up crock of horse manure. Lots more here: http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/The SBT Perfection Of CE903 And here: http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/Gerald Ford And The SBT

THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY IS JUST AS TRUE (AND LOGICAL) TODAY AS IT WAS IN 1963-1964, AND EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW WHY.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Virtually all conspiracy theorists who are of the opinion that President John F. Kennedy met his violent death on November 22, 1963, as the result of an evil, elaborate plot orchestrated and carried out by _________ (the roster of potential assassins and conspirators is nearly endless to use in this blank space), are also of the opinion that Mr. Arlen Specter and the Warren Commission he worked for in the year 1964 were all wet and/or full of stinky fecal matter when it comes to the three words that have sparked debate the world over since the President's assassination -- the "Single-Bullet Theory". But if conspiracists could shake loose the forever-strangling "All Evidence In The JFK Case Must Have Been Faked And/Or Tampered With" albatross that hangs around their necks, they could easily see that any theory that needs to be substituted for the Single-Bullet Conclusion lacks all credibility and can easily be shot full of holes via common sense alone. Forgive the heavy dose of sarcasm that follows, but I think it is appropriate given the subject matter. I've put on my Arlen Specter hat when writing the comments below, which are comments that serve as a "faux notebook" of Mr. Specter's in a sense, as Arlen tries to figure out what the devil really occurred on Elm Street in Dallas, Texas, on 11/22/63. (And for the sake of my imaginary "Specter Notes", the dreaded "SBT" is NOT to be considered as an option for even a brief moment.) I can just hear Mr. Specter now, as he attempts to explain the simultaneous wounding of President Kennedy and Governor John B. Connally in a Non-SBT manner -- which, of course, would be in a manner that needs to reconcile an incredible THREE-SHOTS-LOOK-LIKE-ONE shooting that the Houdini-like riflemen seemingly pulled off in Dealey Plaza. In such a make-believe scenario, Arlen's notebook just might be filled with comments like this (as of early September 1964, just before the Commission hands over its Final Report to President Johnson): [Arlen Specter Simulation On...] We here at the Warren Commission have come to the conclusion that President Kennedy and Governor Connally were struck by three separate bullets (not counting the JFK head shot). These three bullets all disappeared...somehow...without a single one being recovered and placed into evidence. Regarding the subject of bullets -- The Commission discounts Bullet #CE399 as being connected to the actual shooting in any fashion whatsoever....because we've been told by people with far greater minds and resources than that which the Commission possesses that Bullet 399 was "planted" in Parkland Hospital by some unknown conspirator (or it was "switched" with the "real" Parkland bullet by the FBI....or by somebody else unknown) in order to mislead the investigators and in order to falsely implicate one Lee Harvey Oswald in the President's demise. Therefore, the Commission has no choice but to accept this rumor of bullet-planting (or bullet-switching) as being an ironclad, undeniable fact, even though the Commission has no solid, verifiable evidence to back up such allegations of evidence tampering. But, I'm obliged to go with the flow and just assume that said bullet was a plant. Oh, well. So be it. We at the Commission are at a loss to explain where all of these three missing projectiles vanished to. But I guess we'll just have to assume that they all just magically evaporated into a puff of smoke just after the THREE (unknown and unseen) separate gunmen squeezed off these rounds into the two victims. We at the Commission are also at a loss to explain just how the bullet which entered Mr. Connally's back created an elongated entry wound without having hit President Kennedy (or some solid object) first. But, we'll just have to assume, I guess, that the bullet started tumbling in mid-air after having hit nothing but Dallas, Texas, atmosphere between the rifleman's weapon and the Governor's back. Also...we at the Warren Commission are somewhat stumped as to WHY two separate bullets completely stopped after striking JFK's neck and back, with neither bullet causing an exit wound after entering, and with neither of these two bullets striking any hard or bony substances within the President's body. Another obligatory "Oh, well" is needed here it would appear. (Along with a vigorous shrugging of the shoulders, signifying complete and utter bewilderment regarding this matter, a matter that all conspiracy theorists think is totally unimportant and, therefore, doesn't mean a darn thing.) The rest of the Commission staff and I are also unable to explain the fact that the autopsy report (signed by three doctors) unambiguously determined (on page #6 of its report) that the bullet which struck JFK in his upper back positively emerged from the front of his neck and then went....well....where the hell did it go? It must have gone someplace. But I've been told by conspiracy theorists that I can't rely on a "Single-Bullet Conclusion"; so the answer must rest elsewhere. And we know the bullet did not do any damage to the interior of the limousine, because the FBI's Bob Frazier testified to that fact during our interview with him. (Note -- Check on Mr. Robert A. Frazier's credibility...he may be "in" on the "cover-up" too, just like hundreds of others like him, who are bent on keeping the truth of President Kennedy's death a secret no matter what.) Oh well, we'll just leave this additional little problem to greater minds in future generations. For right now, I'll just pretend this snafu concerning the autopsy report (saying that a bullet exited JFK's throat) doesn't exist at all. The Commission's members and staff are also a little puzzled as to how in the world Governor Connally was struck by a separate shot in the back, even though he was seated almost directly in front of JFK in the car. Given the bullet's entry point on Mr. Connally's back and its downward and slightly right-to-left course through the Governor's body, it would seem to us at the Commission that this bullet would have probably had to have passed through someone sitting behind the Governor prior to striking Mr. Connally. But, various conspiracy theorists have told us that this one-bullet scenario must be impossible, so I guess we'll have to think of a non-SBT way for this bullet to get to Connally by not travelling through the man sitting behind Mr. Connally. Oh well...we'll try another theory I guess. Another "Commission Stumper" for us dumbbells in Washington is the amazing "lining up" of the three wounds on the two victims -- with the back wounds on the President and Governor Connally, plus the wound on the front of JFK's neck, seemingly lining up pretty doggone close to being at an approximate 17-degree downward angle through the men, which is, as it turns out by gosh, an angle that leads back to a sixth-floor window in a building where a certain rifle with the serial number C2766 was found at 1:22 PM on November 22 (just 52 minutes after JFK and John Connally were shot by these [at least] three separate gunmen in Dealey Plaza). Oh well, just a pure coincidence I guess. I'll mark it down as such a coincidence...but I want these incredible shooters/marksmen on MY side in the next war, by golly, I'll tell ya that right now! We at the Commission, after looking long and hard at the Abraham Zapruder home movie of the assassination, are also a tad bit perplexed at just exactly HOW these THREE SEPARATE (ace) shooters in Dallas were able to fire their respective weapons in perfect, or near-perfect, synchronization from their three separate locations within Dealey Plaza so to have struck the two victims with these three shots/bullets at a point in time (per the Zapruder home movie) to make it appear that both men were struck initially by bullets at an identical point in time. (Note -- Maybe the film has been "altered" in some manner....consult a certain "Mr. Fetzer" for further information on this possibility; because, sans alteration of said motion picture and sans a whole bunch of people running around covering up the real evidence, it looks to most of the Commission members and its staff as if this three-bullet scenario is a real turd of an idea.) The Commission is also in a quandary over the Neutron Activation Analysis, which concluded that the Connally wrist fragments "most likely" came from bullet CE399 found at Parkland. [This "NAA" item is a bonus item. Since Vincent Guinn's NAA analysis did not occur until the 1970s, we can just pretend that Mr. Specter added this item to his notebook at a later date.] But, if the Warren Commission is to believe the words of valid and bona fide conspiracy researchers who have studied this case long and hard, then Commission Exhibit #399, as I discussed earlier, was "planted" by evil henchmen in the hospital. (Note -- Figure out a way to make myself believe that there was ANY way on this Earth that some crazy, suicidal conspirator(s) would have had a desire to risk blowing the conspiracy plot wide open by planting a bullet on a stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas before 2:00 PM (Central Standard Time) on 11/22/63, a time when Governor Connally was still in the operating room and, hence, no plotters had the slightest friggin' idea where all the "real" bullets connected with the assassination were located. Then call Vince Bugliosi in Minnesota or L.A. -- I need to talk to someone with a grip on reality here.) [Specter Simulation Off] The above serves as a paraphrased transcript of Arlen Specter's probable notes regarding an alternative to the Single-Bullet Theory--dated September 8th, 1964 [with an addendum added in 1978 for the NAA stuff]. Exact verbiage may vary from final notebook of Mr. Specter. But rest assured, whatever the final verbatim version of such a notebook would have looked like, the end result would have been undoubtedly just as laughable and impossibly ridiculous. ------------------ The Single-Bullet Theory is so obviously the most logical (and almost certainly correct) version of the wounding of both President John F. Kennedy and Governor John Connally....and for so many different and interconnected reasons (most of which are outlined in tongue-in-cheek style above). Even the "evidence" which ISN'T present in the JFK murder case (but SHOULD definitely be in existence if the SBT is a false scenario) is telling us that the Commission's single-bullet conclusion almost HAS to be accurate -- e.g., no bullets found in the victims; no other bullets in evidence except CE399; no damage to the limo's back-seat areas; plus: virtually no damage done to the interior portions of JFK's upper back and neck (i.e., no broken bones and no hard, bony structures being struck by either of the TWO projectiles that conspiracists believe entered these regions of the President's body and failed to exit). The total absence of injuries within President Kennedy's neck and back is enough--all by itself--to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that just a single bullet made a clean getaway through JFK's body, without pausing to do any substantial damage whatsoever. It's always been amazing to me that so many people who bash Mr. Specter and the Single-Bullet Theory can then seemingly believe in some "alternate" scenario that is far more fanciful and full of implausibilities and complications and vanishing bullets than is the Single-Bullet Conclusion. And there MUST be a correct alternate theory if the SBT is untrue. So what the heck is it?! Conspiracists never say, of course. In short, those who disbelieve the SBT are, by default, automatically choosing to believe some OTHER theory regarding the wounding of President Kennedy and Governor Connally. And ANY alternate theory in this matter falls way, way short in the common-sense and realistic departments--not to mention in the "physical evidence" category as well. But even if one day in the year 2099 (when some brave person decides to put forth an alternate theory that he/she thinks debunks the SBT once and for all), one thing's still a certainty: No other theory postulated could possibly match the EVIDENCE and, above all, the COMMON SENSE that the Single-Bullet Theory matches and possesses. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You call it the [Single-Bullet] theory; I call it the 'conclusion'. It was a theory until we found the facts; that's why I refer to it as the 'Single-Bullet Conclusion'." -- Arlen Specter; 1965 David Von Pein March 2006

Yes. Especially in the Tippit case [CLICK]. Yes, I think it does. Many people, of course, disagree. But unless virtually all of the evidence against Oswald in the JFK and Tippit cases was faked/manufactured (which IMO is a ridiculous and absurd claim), then Lee Oswald was a double-murderer. Speaking of the physical evidence.... Also See: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29767-the-burden-of-proof

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/05/jfk-assassination-media-errors.html#I-Got-Me-A-Cop-And-A-President

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